What happens when you excessivily tax people?

[Chris]

None of the scenarios involve increasing gov revenues to cover the huge deficeit Barry keeps expanding.

You cannot tax your way out of this, they have to STOP SPENDING.

Starting with Barrycare.

If they want reform, then do reform, make insurance companies cover all and cap the rates while allowing interstate sales and comprehensive tort reform.

THAT is ALL that is needed, not 'public options' and other sundry Barryish mumbo jumbo.

The only mumbo jumbo is your post.

The public option will save money in the long run.

And the vast majority of the National Debt was created by Reagan and Bush lowering taxes for the rich.

 

[Oddball]

Speaking of coming straight from the stereotype catalog....

 

[The T]

They leave, as is happening in New York right now:

Tax refugees staging escape from New York

What's worse is that the families fleeing New York are being replaced by lower-income newcomers, who consequently pay less in taxes.

Overall, the ex-New Yorkers earn about 13 percent more than those who moved into the state, the study found.

Keep talking about squeezing people with higher taxes and you see them start to leave the country, not just a state.

Brought to you by Liberal Blue-Staters who want to take the RED States, and the rest of the nation with them.

They won't be happy until we're like Africa, The Middle East Cuba, Venezuela, and other Liberty-Denying Marxist Regimes.

 

[saveliberty]

None of the scenarios involve increasing gov revenues to cover the huge deficeit Barry keeps expanding.

You cannot tax your way out of this, they have to STOP SPENDING.

Starting with Barrycare.

If they want reform, then do reform, make insurance companies cover all and cap the rates while allowing interstate sales and comprehensive tort reform.

THAT is ALL that is needed, not 'public options' and other sundry Barryish mumbo jumbo.

The only mumbo jumbo is your post.

The public option will save money in the long run.

And the vast majority of the National Debt was created by Reagan and Bush lowering taxes for the rich.

You forgot spending like there is no tommorow has nothing to do with the debt.

They already hid $270b. of the package. No hope of the public option saving dime one.

 

[Chris]

Speaking of coming straight from the stereotype catalog....

Reagan and Bush created most of the National Debt by lowering taxes for the rich.

Reagan's own budget director, David Stockman, said the tax cut was a "Trojan Horse" so they could lower taxes for the rich.

Google "David Stockman Trojan Horse."

 

[Maple]

They leave, as is happening in New York right now:

Tax refugees staging escape from New York

What's worse is that the families fleeing New York are being replaced by lower-income newcomers, who consequently pay less in taxes.

Overall, the ex-New Yorkers earn about 13 percent more than those who moved into the state, the study found.

Keep talking about squeezing people with higher taxes and you see them start to leave the country, not just a state.

I can't beleive anyone is still there, there taxes are absolutely outrageous. Mexico is looking pretty good to me right now and if this keeps up, we will see a reverse immigration problem, Americans swimming the river to Mexico. They will be trying to keep us out of there.

 

[Intense]

None of the scenarios involve increasing gov revenues to cover the huge deficeit Barry keeps expanding.

You cannot tax your way out of this, they have to STOP SPENDING.

Starting with Barrycare.

If they want reform, then do reform, make insurance companies cover all and cap the rates while allowing interstate sales and comprehensive tort reform.

THAT is ALL that is needed, not 'public options' and other sundry Barryish mumbo jumbo.

The only mumbo jumbo is your post.

The public option will save money in the long run.

And the vast majority of the National Debt was created by Reagan and Bush lowering taxes for the rich.

And Open Borders. And Government Padding It's Life Style at Our expense, and Union Corruption, and Extortion, Money Laundering, Paybacks, Payoff's, more Payoff's, more expansion. Everyone Invest in ACORN Today, why wait!!! Jesus, how many bodies did last month leave floating in the rivers or buried in the desert. Well the DNC can probably import 500 bodies for every one lost to the cause.

 

[Immanuel]

Speaking of coming straight from the stereotype catalog....

Reagan and Bush created most of the National Debt by lowering taxes for the rich.

Reagan's own budget director, David Stockman, said the tax cut was a "Trojan Horse" so they could lower taxes for the rich.

Google "David Stockman Trojan Horse."

Not according to this article:

The Education of David Stockman - The Atlantic (December 1981)

Yet he was conceding what the liberal Keynesian critics had argued from the outset—the supply-side theory was not a new economic theory at all but only new language and argument to conceal a hoary old Republican doctrine: give the tax cuts to the top brackets, the wealthiest individuals and largest enterprises, and let the good effects "trickle down" through the economy to reach everyone else. Yes, Stockman conceded, when one stripped away the new rhetoric emphasizing across-the-board cuts, the supply-side theory was really new clothes for the unpopular doctrine of the old Republican orthodoxy. "It's kind of hard to sell 'trickle down,'" he explained, "so the supply-side formula was the only way to get a tax policy that was really 'trickle down.' Supply-side is 'trickle-down' theory."

It was a Trojan Horse so that they could sell "Trickle Down" economics. It was not so much about the tax cuts on the rich, but rather selling the economic theory that if you give to the rich the goods will flow down to the not so rich.

This is in stark contrast to the economic idea that President Obama is trying to sell. Which might be well named, "Flood the Basement" economics. Flooding the basement doesn't work at all. The poor are limited in their spending power, while the rich can multiply the spending power of the dollar by investing it in resources that produce economic growth.

Immie

 

[Maple]

None of the scenarios involve increasing gov revenues to cover the huge deficeit Barry keeps expanding.

You cannot tax your way out of this, they have to STOP SPENDING.

Starting with Barrycare.

If they want reform, then do reform, make insurance companies cover all and cap the rates while allowing interstate sales and comprehensive tort reform.

THAT is ALL that is needed, not 'public options' and other sundry Barryish mumbo jumbo.

The only mumbo jumbo is your post.

The public option will save money in the long run.

And the vast majority of the National Debt was created by Reagan and Bush lowering taxes for the rich.

Good lord Chris, I honestly don't think that there is any hope for you. Lowering taxes for the rich caused the deficit???????????? I want you to think long and hard about this next question. Have you ever been hired by a poor person??? The rich invest their money, they are job creators, probably created your job, if you ever had one, which I sometimes doubt. The rich are small business they employ 70% of Americans and yet you want to tax them more creating more unemployment. Real smart. Maybe you should take an economics class so you can finally figure out that all this money that you want to spend on your nationalized health care does not grow on trees. It comes right out of the pockets of middle class Americans.

" A government big enough to give you everything you need is big enough to take everything you have." Thomas Jefferson

" Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." Martin Luther King

" The problem with socialism is that it works fine until you run out of other people's money. " Margaret Thatcher

" When the democrats start talking about taxing the rich, the middle class needs to run for cover." Fred Thompson

 

[Bfgrn]

95% of the system in place is so far above and beyond what the founders set forth and intended, that starving it would be a damned good thing.

And every real libertarian knows it.

THEN the debate about size and scope of government that has heatedly gone on in this republic since Jefferson and Hamilton went toe to toe is now over...So anarchist DUDe, NOW you need to come up with a new form of government, something better than our founder's created to replace it with...but you better work REAL FAST because Republicans already have, it's called fascism...the seamless marriage of corporations and government. BTW, our founder's called it "taxation without representation"...

And every real libertarian knows it. Not phony right wing corporate libertarians...

The Birth of The Marriage with Government and Business Right from The Jackass's Mouth.

Hamilton: The Constitutionality of the Bank of the United States, 1791

Oligarchy is What Hamilton turned us into.

Republican's think more like Federalist's, of the Madison Persuasion. Conservatives definitely do.

Statist's or both Parties, primarily Democrat though, Believe in Government the same way Conservatives Believe in God.

Statist's are Totalitarian, like You, like the DNC, Socialism, Fascism, different means to the same end, different brands of poison, that produce the same result, Total Control, and Mass Graves for all of the mistakes.

Free Market Trades in Currency, Totalitarian Regimes trade in Mandates, Total Control, Guns, Prisons, Torture, and Death. Thought Crimes come from the Left, Hate Crimes come from the Left, Unearned Privilege and Exemption, Special Treatment, and Partiality, come from the Left.

Nazi's didn't need to be bothered by owning Industry, It controlled Industry and the Union's through Fear and Terror. Total Leftist Control over Every Aspect of Life. Thought, Word, Action, Inaction. Government It's God, Hitler, the face of the Deity.

Hitler, Mao, Stalin, The brand matters when One World Government is the end?

It was Goethe who said: "Ignorant men raise questions that wise men answered a thousand years ago."

SO, the same people that enacted the Hate Crimes Bill also commit the crimes? The same people that are anti-war are really the killers?

Here's a question for you... did Hitler, Stalin and Mao embrace free market capitalism and American ideals OR did they embrace a system they were raised and indoctrinated in; one they staunchly wanted to CONSERVE?

Conservatism is based on latitude, longitude and date of birth.

 

[Maple]

Speaking of coming straight from the stereotype catalog....

Reagan and Bush created most of the National Debt by lowering taxes for the rich.

Reagan's own budget director, David Stockman, said the tax cut was a "Trojan Horse" so they could lower taxes for the rich.

Google "David Stockman Trojan Horse."

Not according to this article:

The Education of David Stockman - The Atlantic (December 1981)

Yet he was conceding what the liberal Keynesian critics had argued from the outset—the supply-side theory was not a new economic theory at all but only new language and argument to conceal a hoary old Republican doctrine: give the tax cuts to the top brackets, the wealthiest individuals and largest enterprises, and let the good effects "trickle down" through the economy to reach everyone else. Yes, Stockman conceded, when one stripped away the new rhetoric emphasizing across-the-board cuts, the supply-side theory was really new clothes for the unpopular doctrine of the old Republican orthodoxy. "It's kind of hard to sell 'trickle down,'" he explained, "so the supply-side formula was the only way to get a tax policy that was really 'trickle down.' Supply-side is 'trickle-down' theory."

It was a Trojan Horse so that they could sell "Trickle Down" economics. It was not so much about the tax cuts on the rich, but rather selling the economic theory that if you give to the rich the goods will flow down to the not so rich.

This is in stark contrast to the economic idea that President Obama is trying to sell. Which might be well named, "Flood the Basement" economics. Flooding the basement doesn't work at all. The poor are limited in their spending power, while the rich can multiply the spending power of the dollar by investing it in resources that produce economic growth.

Immie

That's a great one, " Flood the basement,"" economics. I love that statement, I am going to remember that one the next time I attempt to explain basic economics to some brain dead liberal. I love it. Very clever.

 

[Intense]

I think that The Theory, as crazy as this may sound, is that if You Encourage The Controllers of Industry, Manufacturing, Production, Distribution, Infrastructure, Agriculture, Mining, Transportation, they will grow and develop and expand.

When you Encourage Dependency, Entitlement, Something for Nothing, it will expand Too!

What nightmare do you see around us today? Which policy do you credit for what you see around you?

 

[saveliberty]

It was Goethe who said: "Ignorant men raise questions that wise men answered a thousand years ago."

SO, the same people that enacted the Hate Crimes Bill also commit the crimes? The same people that are anti-war are really the killers?

Here's a question for you... did Hitler, Stalin and Mao embrace free market capitalism and American ideals OR did they embrace a system they were raised and indoctrinated in; one they staunchly wanted to CONSERVE?

Conservatism is based on latitude, longitude and date of birth.

Hitler, Stalin and Mao did not embrace capitalism or American ideals. They also did not embrace the system they were raised/indocrinated in. The question in your post suggests they did one or the other. "Truly stupid people ask questions improperly" - saveliberty

Hint: You need an and where your or is.

 

[Bfgrn]

It was Goethe who said: "Ignorant men raise questions that wise men answered a thousand years ago."

SO, the same people that enacted the Hate Crimes Bill also commit the crimes? The same people that are anti-war are really the killers?

Here's a question for you... did Hitler, Stalin and Mao embrace free market capitalism and American ideals OR did they embrace a system they were raised and indoctrinated in; one they staunchly wanted to CONSERVE?

Conservatism is based on latitude, longitude and date of birth.

Hitler, Stalin and Mao did not embrace capitalism or American ideals. They also did not embrace the system they were raised/indocrinated in. The question in your post suggests they did one or the other. "Truly stupid people ask questions improperly" - saveliberty

Here's the REALLY uncomfortable FACT for you right wing pea brains: an authoritarian (Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Mussolini etc) is a personality type...AND

The personality type is defined by nine traits that were believed to cluster together as the result of psychodynamic, childhood experiences. These traits are conventionalism, authoritarian submission, authoritarian aggression, anti-intraception, superstition and stereotypy, power and "toughness," destructiveness and cynicism, projectivity, and exaggerated concerns over sexuality. In brief, the authoritarian is predisposed to follow the dictates of a strong leader and traditional, conventional values.

"While not all conservatives are authoritarians; all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives."
Robert Altemeyer

 

[The T]

I think that The Theory, as crazy as this may sound, is that if You Encourage The Controllers of Industry, Manufacturing, Production, Distribution, Infrastructure, Agriculture, Mining, Transportation, they will grow and develop and expand.

When you Encourage Dependency, Entitlement, Something for Nothing, it will expand Too!

What nightmare do you see around us today? Which policy do you credit for what you see around you?

The policies I see do nothing more than encorage medicrity, and applaud parasites that feed on the rest of us and our sweat equity.

 

[saveliberty]

It was Goethe who said: "Ignorant men raise questions that wise men answered a thousand years ago."

SO, the same people that enacted the Hate Crimes Bill also commit the crimes? The same people that are anti-war are really the killers?

Here's a question for you... did Hitler, Stalin and Mao embrace free market capitalism and American ideals OR did they embrace a system they were raised and indoctrinated in; one they staunchly wanted to CONSERVE?

Conservatism is based on latitude, longitude and date of birth.

Hitler, Stalin and Mao did not embrace capitalism or American ideals. They also did not embrace the system they were raised/indocrinated in. The question in your post suggests they did one or the other. "Truly stupid people ask questions improperly" - saveliberty

Here's the REALLY uncomfortable FACT for you right wing pea brains: an authoritarian (Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Mussolini etc) is a personality type...AND

The personality type is defined by nine traits that were believed to cluster together as the result of psychodynamic, childhood experiences. These traits are conventionalism, authoritarian submission, authoritarian aggression, anti-intraception, superstition and stereotypy, power and "toughness," destructiveness and cynicism, projectivity, and exaggerated concerns over sexuality. In brief, the authoritarian is predisposed to follow the dictates of a strong leader and traditional, conventional values.

"While not all conservatives are authoritarians; all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives."
Robert Altemeyer

That is a really random fact unrelated to your question you posed. Focus man, your losing your butt here. Since you brought it up, "While not all conservatives are authoritarians; all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives.", does it follow all highly authoritarian personalities are going to be a Pot Pol, Hitler or Stalin? No, it is false assumption and the point you were trying make. Fail.

 

[Oddball]

Speaking of coming straight from the stereotype catalog....

Reagan and Bush created most of the National Debt by lowering taxes for the rich.

Reagan's own budget director, David Stockman, said the tax cut was a "Trojan Horse" so they could lower taxes for the rich.

Google "David Stockman Trojan Horse."

Just like a stereotype to act as though history started on the day he was born.

 

[Bfgrn]

Hitler, Stalin and Mao did not embrace capitalism or American ideals. They also did not embrace the system they were raised/indocrinated in. The question in your post suggests they did one or the other. "Truly stupid people ask questions improperly" - saveliberty

Here's the REALLY uncomfortable FACT for you right wing pea brains: an authoritarian (Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Mussolini etc) is a personality type...AND

The personality type is defined by nine traits that were believed to cluster together as the result of psychodynamic, childhood experiences. These traits are conventionalism, authoritarian submission, authoritarian aggression, anti-intraception, superstition and stereotypy, power and "toughness," destructiveness and cynicism, projectivity, and exaggerated concerns over sexuality. In brief, the authoritarian is predisposed to follow the dictates of a strong leader and traditional, conventional values.

"While not all conservatives are authoritarians; all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives."
Robert Altemeyer

That is a really random fact unrelated to your question you posed. Focus man, your losing your butt here. Since you brought it up, "While not all conservatives are authoritarians; all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives.", does it follow all highly authoritarian personalities going to be a Pot Pol, Hitler or Stalin? No, it is false assumption and the point you were trying make. Fail.

Are you always this confused? The answer to your question is its preface...

 

[Chris]

I think that The Theory, as crazy as this may sound, is that if You Encourage The Controllers of Industry, Manufacturing, Production, Distribution, Infrastructure, Agriculture, Mining, Transportation, they will grow and develop and expand.

When you Encourage Dependency, Entitlement, Something for Nothing, it will expand Too!

What nightmare do you see around us today? Which policy do you credit for what you see around you?

The policies I see do nothing more than encorage medicrity, and applaud parasites that feed on the rest of us and our sweat equity.

Modern conservatism is nothing more than the political codification of selfishness.

 

[Chris]

In the 1980’s Ronald Reagan ushered in a new era in American economics as he cut the top tax bracket from 70% down to 50% and then down again to 28%. In order to get support for doing this from the people, and also from politicians, a very crafty set of lies were produced. As David Stockman, then Reagan’s budget director, put it: giving small tax cuts across the board to all brackets was simply a “Trojan Horse” that was used to get approval for the huge top tax bracket cuts. “Trickle-Down” was a term used by Republicans that meant giving tax cuts to the rich. Stockman explains that:

"It's kind of hard to sell 'trickle down,' so the supply-side formula was the only way to get a tax policy that was really 'trickle down.' Supply-side is 'trickle-down' theory."

"Yes, Stockman conceded, when one stripped away the new rhetoric emphasizing across-the-board cuts, the supply-side theory was really new clothes for the unpopular doctrine of the old Republican orthodoxy."

"…the Reagan coalition prevailed again in the House and Congress passed the tax-cut legislation with a final frenzy of trading and bargaining. Again, Stockman was not exhilarated by the victory. On the contrary, it seemed to leave a bad taste in his mouth, as though the democratic process had finally succeeded in shocking him by its intensity and its greed. Once again, Stockman participated in the trading -- special tax concessions for oil -- lease holders and real-estate tax shelters, and generous loopholes that virtually eliminated the corporate income tax. Stockman sat in the room and saw it happen."

"'Do you realize the greed that came to the forefront?' Stockman asked with wonder. 'The hogs were really feeding. The greed level, the level of opportunism, just got out of control.'"

The Education of David Stockman 1981:

Trickle Down economics was a Trojan Horse