What happens when you excessivily tax people?

[Oddball]

Been happening in Mennsnowta for decades.

Luverne truck bumpers moved from Luverne, MN, to Iowa.

Every few years, the legislature has to come up with a new special tax deal to keep 3M in the state.

 

[chanel]

But that's why Barry started this "class war". As soon as he said "over 250K" people said "sure why not?" Then Corzine followed suit and raised state taxes on the same number. Then he increased property taxes on over 75K. What the feds can do is decrease funding to the states. Then the states can decrease funding to the municipalities and schools. Then it will be up to the middle class to raise revenue to run their towns.

And of course there's those "hidden taxes" to "BIg Business" that will be passed to the consumer. The middle class will pay for that too.

Everyones taxes will go up. No doubt about it.

 

[Bfgrn]

See 'ya!

 

[asaratis]

Avoidance of taxation by moving is not a new phenomenon. It is also not limited to the movement of families from high tax states to lower tax states. It happens with companies leaving the United States to set up shop where taxes are lower and they can actually make a profit and keep growing rather than becoming stagnant or going completely out of business.

This is a fact of life that seems to elude the proponents of the deadly tax and spend policies pushed by the liberal agenda.

This has been happening for long enough that the liberals should have learned by now. But liberals are stupid and cannot let go of the idea that taxing is good for the people.

I say let's not help California anymore. Show the people that high taxes can kill a government. Let other states buy everything there is in California that can be moved, then give the remains back to Mexico.

 

[KittenKoder]

Amazing, isn't it? Gonna be kind of difficult to get the middle class and poor to pay for all their entitlement programs...

Barry can find those rich bastards wherever they go-----take from the rich states and give to the poor ones.

Ah yes, take from the rich states and give to the poor ones. Interesting that the states that have a negative flow with the federal government, that is, they send more money there than they get back, are almost all blue states. The ones with the positive cash flow, they get more money from the federal government than they send in, are almost all red.

I guess we can safely say the the Conservatives are far more parasitical than the liberals.

Babbling again I see ...

All the "blue" states are going broke ... really, do you not live in one?

 

[Xenophon]

Barry can find those rich bastards wherever they go-----take from the rich states and give to the poor ones.

Ah yes, take from the rich states and give to the poor ones. Interesting that the states that have a negative flow with the federal government, that is, they send more money there than they get back, are almost all blue states. The ones with the positive cash flow, they get more money from the federal government than they send in, are almost all red.

I guess we can safely say the the Conservatives are far more parasitical than the liberals.

Babbling again I see ...

All the "blue" states are going broke ... really, do you not live in one?

Not going, they are there.

The two biggest states money wise are california and New York, both are in serious trouble from lack of revenue to cover their wild spending.

New York is just as crazy as Cali in many ways, for example a JUDGE ordered that the city of NY had to pay FOUR BILLION a year for the homeless, which is over 50% of the city's ENTIRE revenue. Half the tax money collected is used for less then 1% of the population and that 1% is usually mentally disturbed and should have been institutionalized.

They try to tax everything here, bridges, highways, whatever you buy, it doesn't matter, the gov takes a cut.

 

[KittenKoder]

Ah yes, take from the rich states and give to the poor ones. Interesting that the states that have a negative flow with the federal government, that is, they send more money there than they get back, are almost all blue states. The ones with the positive cash flow, they get more money from the federal government than they send in, are almost all red.

I guess we can safely say the the Conservatives are far more parasitical than the liberals.

Babbling again I see ...

All the "blue" states are going broke ... really, do you not live in one?

Not going, they are there.

The two biggest states money wise are california and New York, both are in serious trouble from lack of revenue to cover their wild spending.

New York is just as crazy as Cali in many ways, for example a JUDGE ordered that the city of NY had to pay FOUR BILLION a year for the homeless, which is over 50% of the city's ENTIRE revenue. Half the tax money collected is used for less then 1% of the population and that 1% is usually mentally disturbed and should have been institutionalized.

They try to tax everything here, bridges, highways, whatever you buy, it doesn't matter, the gov takes a cut.

True ... add Washington to that as well, we're so fucking broke we can't pay the public library to stay open anymore.

 

[Bfgrn]

Avoidance of taxation by moving is not a new phenomenon. It is also not limited to the movement of families from high tax states to lower tax states. It happens with companies leaving the United States to set up shop where taxes are lower and they can actually make a profit and keep growing rather than becoming stagnant or going completely out of business.

This is a fact of life that seems to elude the proponents of the deadly tax and spend policies pushed by the liberal agenda.

This has been happening for long enough that the liberals should have learned by now. But liberals are stupid and cannot let go of the idea that taxing is good for the people.

I say let's not help California anymore. Show the people that high taxes can kill a government. Let other states buy everything there is in California that can be moved, then give the remains back to Mexico.

Here's an idea... let's eliminate taxes; then we can bring home all our sons & daughters from the three trillion dollar wars and numerous bases overseas, dismantle the biggest, most expensive military killing machine in human history & sell off all the furniture at the Pentagon, shut down Homeland Security and the latest ponzi-scheme, a.k.a the "War" on terror. De-fund all the invasive surveillance programs and intel. Then, close down all the prisons that incarcerate more human beings per capita than any other country on the planet...

Oh, how stupid of me... none of THAT is considered "BIG" government...and it's all FREE!!!

 

[asaratis]

Avoidance of taxation by moving is not a new phenomenon. It is also not limited to the movement of families from high tax states to lower tax states. It happens with companies leaving the United States to set up shop where taxes are lower and they can actually make a profit and keep growing rather than becoming stagnant or going completely out of business.

This is a fact of life that seems to elude the proponents of the deadly tax and spend policies pushed by the liberal agenda.

This has been happening for long enough that the liberals should have learned by now. But liberals are stupid and cannot let go of the idea that taxing is good for the people.

I say let's not help California anymore. Show the people that high taxes can kill a government. Let other states buy everything there is in California that can be moved, then give the remains back to Mexico.

Here's an idea... let's eliminate taxes; then we can bring home all our sons & daughters from the three trillion dollar wars and numerous bases overseas, dismantle the biggest, most expensive military killing machine in human history & sell off all the furniture at the Pentagon, shut down Homeland Security and the latest ponzi-scheme, a.k.a the "War" on terror. De-fund all the invasive surveillance programs and intel. Then, close down all the prisons that incarcerate more human beings per capita than any other country on the planet...

Oh, how stupid of me... none of THAT is considered "BIG" government...and it's all FREE!!!

Ah! Another extremist's solution to a complicated problem.

We need taxes, if only to pay for the military might that is required to protect ourselves from invading mongrels that surface non and then. We need infrastructure such as roads, bridges and other things that are best paid for by all that benefit from them. Taxes are necessary.

...but to tax an entity out of existence is utterly STUPID!

Pay attention to history.

That same idea applies to the advance of socialism. Pay attention to history. It does not work well.

Liberals are STUPID! Liberalism is a mental disorder!

 

[Bfgrn]

Avoidance of taxation by moving is not a new phenomenon. It is also not limited to the movement of families from high tax states to lower tax states. It happens with companies leaving the United States to set up shop where taxes are lower and they can actually make a profit and keep growing rather than becoming stagnant or going completely out of business.

This is a fact of life that seems to elude the proponents of the deadly tax and spend policies pushed by the liberal agenda.

This has been happening for long enough that the liberals should have learned by now. But liberals are stupid and cannot let go of the idea that taxing is good for the people.

I say let's not help California anymore. Show the people that high taxes can kill a government. Let other states buy everything there is in California that can be moved, then give the remains back to Mexico.

Here's an idea... let's eliminate taxes; then we can bring home all our sons & daughters from the three trillion dollar wars and numerous bases overseas, dismantle the biggest, most expensive military killing machine in human history & sell off all the furniture at the Pentagon, shut down Homeland Security and the latest ponzi-scheme, a.k.a the "War" on terror. De-fund all the invasive surveillance programs and intel. Then, close down all the prisons that incarcerate more human beings per capita than any other country on the planet...

Oh, how stupid of me... none of THAT is considered "BIG" government...and it's all FREE!!!

Ah! Another extremist's solution to a complicated problem.

We need taxes, if only to pay for the military might that is required to protect ourselves from invading mongrels that surface non and then. We need infrastructure such as roads, bridges and other things that are best paid for by all that benefit from them. Taxes are necessary.

...but to tax an entity out of existence is utterly STUPID!

Pay attention to history.

That same idea applies to the advance of socialism. Pay attention to history. It does not work well.

Liberals are STUPID! Liberalism is a mental disorder!

Hey pea brain..LET'S pay attention TO history...

 

[California Girl]

Avoidance of taxation by moving is not a new phenomenon. It is also not limited to the movement of families from high tax states to lower tax states. It happens with companies leaving the United States to set up shop where taxes are lower and they can actually make a profit and keep growing rather than becoming stagnant or going completely out of business.

This is a fact of life that seems to elude the proponents of the deadly tax and spend policies pushed by the liberal agenda.

This has been happening for long enough that the liberals should have learned by now. But liberals are stupid and cannot let go of the idea that taxing is good for the people.

I say let's not help California anymore. Show the people that high taxes can kill a government. Let other states buy everything there is in California that can be moved, then give the remains back to Mexico.

Here's an idea... let's eliminate taxes; then we can bring home all our sons & daughters from the three trillion dollar wars and numerous bases overseas, dismantle the biggest, most expensive military killing machine in human history & sell off all the furniture at the Pentagon, shut down Homeland Security and the latest ponzi-scheme, a.k.a the "War" on terror. De-fund all the invasive surveillance programs and intel. Then, close down all the prisons that incarcerate more human beings per capita than any other country on the planet...

Oh, how stupid of me... none of THAT is considered "BIG" government...and it's all FREE!!!

Yes, it is stupid of you. Our Constitution provides for our military.

Our Constitution does not provide for a bunch of fucking lazy asses who won't work and keep breeding like rabbits.

So, let's keep the military and get rid of poor people. If we didn't have poor people, the rest of us wouldn't have to keep paying for them. Whiny poor people are who are draining our country, not our military.

You are an idiot.

 

[American Horse]

They leave, as is happening in New York right now:

Tax refugees staging escape from New York

What's worse is that the families fleeing New York are being replaced by lower-income newcomers, who consequently pay less in taxes.

Overall, the ex-New Yorkers earn about 13 percent more than those who moved into the state, the study found.

Keep talking about squeezing people with higher taxes and you see them start to leave the country, not just a state.

...and they (people/corporations/others) bend their efforts to reducing and avoiding taxes as a reasonable substitute to expending effort earning income by hard work and risk taking. Limiting tax free CEO pay to $1-million in 1994 created stock options of which ENRON was a direct offshoot.

There are NUMEROUS ways and means of reducing taxes available to tax payers not friendly to a “voluntary honor” tax system like ours.

There is also a level of taxation at which effort to production and risk taking is preferred over dodging taxes.

 

[Anguille]

They leave, as is happening in New York right now:

Tax refugees staging escape from New York

What's worse is that the families fleeing New York are being replaced by lower-income newcomers, who consequently pay less in taxes.

Overall, the ex-New Yorkers earn about 13 percent more than those who moved into the state, the study found.

Keep talking about squeezing people with higher taxes and you see them start to leave the country, not just a state.

Tissue?

 

[Bfgrn]

Avoidance of taxation by moving is not a new phenomenon. It is also not limited to the movement of families from high tax states to lower tax states. It happens with companies leaving the United States to set up shop where taxes are lower and they can actually make a profit and keep growing rather than becoming stagnant or going completely out of business.

This is a fact of life that seems to elude the proponents of the deadly tax and spend policies pushed by the liberal agenda.

This has been happening for long enough that the liberals should have learned by now. But liberals are stupid and cannot let go of the idea that taxing is good for the people.

I say let's not help California anymore. Show the people that high taxes can kill a government. Let other states buy everything there is in California that can be moved, then give the remains back to Mexico.

Here's an idea... let's eliminate taxes; then we can bring home all our sons & daughters from the three trillion dollar wars and numerous bases overseas, dismantle the biggest, most expensive military killing machine in human history & sell off all the furniture at the Pentagon, shut down Homeland Security and the latest ponzi-scheme, a.k.a the "War" on terror. De-fund all the invasive surveillance programs and intel. Then, close down all the prisons that incarcerate more human beings per capita than any other country on the planet...

Oh, how stupid of me... none of THAT is considered "BIG" government...and it's all FREE!!!

Yes, it is stupid of you. Our Constitution provides for our military.

Our Constitution does not provide for a bunch of fucking lazy asses who won't work and keep breeding like rabbits.

So, let's keep the military and get rid of poor people. If we didn't have poor people, the rest of us wouldn't have to keep paying for them. Whiny poor people are who are draining our country, not our military.

You are an idiot.

If you honestly think I'm 'far right' then you are not naive - you are completely fucking stupid. You say 'far right' so you don't get your ass kicked for calling me a Nazi.... because Nazi's are the far right.

This idiot stance of calling anyone who disagrees with you as 'far right' is completely fucking stupid, you know that right?

Everyone who uses the term 'far right' or 'Nazi' as a label for those that they do not understand is an idiot - that'll be you.

I'm sorry for calling you far right...you ARE a Nazi!!!

 

[California Girl]

Here's an idea... let's eliminate taxes; then we can bring home all our sons & daughters from the three trillion dollar wars and numerous bases overseas, dismantle the biggest, most expensive military killing machine in human history & sell off all the furniture at the Pentagon, shut down Homeland Security and the latest ponzi-scheme, a.k.a the "War" on terror. De-fund all the invasive surveillance programs and intel. Then, close down all the prisons that incarcerate more human beings per capita than any other country on the planet...

Oh, how stupid of me... none of THAT is considered "BIG" government...and it's all FREE!!!

Yes, it is stupid of you. Our Constitution provides for our military.

Our Constitution does not provide for a bunch of fucking lazy asses who won't work and keep breeding like rabbits.

So, let's keep the military and get rid of poor people. If we didn't have poor people, the rest of us wouldn't have to keep paying for them. Whiny poor people are who are draining our country, not our military.

You are an idiot.

If you honestly think I'm 'far right' then you are not naive - you are completely fucking stupid. You say 'far right' so you don't get your ass kicked for calling me a Nazi.... because Nazi's are the far right.

This idiot stance of calling anyone who disagrees with you as 'far right' is completely fucking stupid, you know that right?

Everyone who uses the term 'far right' or 'Nazi' as a label for those that they do not understand is an idiot - that'll be you.

I'm sorry for calling you far right...you ARE a Nazi!!!

And I'm calling you for what you are..... a fucking humorless idiot.

 

[saveliberty]

What happens when you excessively tax people?

1. Tea party groups are born.
2. Some Liberals/Democrats stop paying.
3. The rich find better places to invest.
4. Politicans look for new ways to tax in order to replace the "lost" taxes.
5. Racism grows.
6. Greater separation of rich and poor.

 

[rdean]

In the 50s and 60s, the tax rate was 75 to 90% on the richest Americans and the economy boomed.

Now, Republicans don't care about our falling bridges, our power grid that goes out when it rains, the middle class. The only care about war and even want the middle class to pay for that.

Remember Republicans, no taxes, no war.

 

[saveliberty]

In the 50s and 60s, the tax rate was 75 to 90% on the richest Americans and the economy boomed.

Now, Republicans don't care about our falling bridges, our power grid that goes out when it rains, the middle class. The only care about war and even want the middle class to pay for that.

Remember Republicans, no taxes, no war.

Post World War boom or didn't you study history? The tax rate didn't inspire the economic growth.

 

[Bfgrn]

WHAT kind of leftist loon would write THIS crap???

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According to the Congressional Budget Office's January 2009 estimate for fiscal year 2009, outlays were projected to be $3,543 billion and revenues were projected to be $2,357 billion, leaving a deficit of $1,186 billion. Keep in mind that these estimates were made before Obama took office, based on existing law and policy, and did not take into account any actions that Obama might implement.

Therefore, unless one thinks that McCain would have somehow or other raised taxes and cut spending (with a Democratic Congress), rather than enacting a stimulus of his own, then a deficit of $1.2 trillion was baked in the cake the day Obama took office. Any suggestion that McCain would have brought in a lower deficit is simply fanciful.

Now let's fast forward to the end of fiscal year 2009, which ended on September 30. According to CBO, it ended with spending at $3,515 billion and revenues of $2,106 billion for a deficit of $1,409 billion.

To recap, the deficit came in $223 billion higher than projected, but spending was $28 billion and revenues were $251 billion less than expected. Thus we can conclude that more than 100 percent of the increase in the deficit since January is accounted for by lower revenues. Not one penny is due to higher spending.

It should be further noted that revenues are lower to a large extent because of tax cuts included in the February stimulus. According to the Joint Committee on Taxation, these tax cuts reduced revenues in FY2009 by $98 billion over what would otherwise have been the case. This is important because the Republican position has consistently been that tax cuts and only tax cuts are an appropriate response to the economic crisis.

I continue to believe that the Republican position is nonsensical. Final proof is that the previously cited CBO report shows total federal revenues coming in at 14.9 percent of the gross domestic product in FY2009. According to the Office of Management and Budget, one has to go back to 1950 to find a year when federal revenues were lower as a share of GDP. For reference, revenues averaged 18 percent of GDP during the Reagan administration and were never lower than 17.3 percent - 2.4 percent of GDP above where they are now.

I think there are grounds on which to criticize the Obama administration's anti-recession actions. But spending too much is not one of them. Indeed, based on this analysis, it is pretty obvious that spending - real spending on things like public works - has been grossly inadequate. The idea that Reagan-style tax cuts would have done anything is just nuts.
Bruce Bartlett

http://capitalgainsandgames.com/blog/bruce-bartlett/1200/why-economy-needs-spending-not-tax-cuts

Bruce Bartlett was one of the original supply-siders, helping draft the Kemp-Roth tax bill in the 1970s. In the 1980s and 1990s, he was a leading Republican economist.

 

[Skull Pilot]

What happens when you tax people excessively?

Their freedoms are taken away.

Economic freedom is the key to freedom of choice. If we are not free to make choices we otherwise could make because the government is robbing us of the financial ability to make those choices then we are less free.

In 2009 for example, Americans worked from January 1 to April 23 just to satisfy their Federal, State and Local tax obligations.

Now this is earlier than other years partly because the recession has reduced tax collections even faster than it has reduced income, and the stimulus package includes large temporary tax cuts for 2009 and 2010. And the large amount of deficit spending has contributed to the relatively early Tax Freedom date in 2009.

But when adjusted for the budget deficit, Tax freedom day 2009 is actually May 29, 2009

But nevertheless, Americans pay more in taxes than they do on food clothing and housing combined.

Happy Tax Freedom Day 2009! - Don't Mess With Taxes