Went to a Romney event tonight

[LoneLaugher]

Joe.......there is another brick wall behind the one that you are currently breaking through. This is not worth the effort.

 

[JoeB131]

Your argument would have validity if we let people who don't buy insurance die.

We don't do that, nor would any sane person want them to. (Although some Americans do indeed die for lack of insurance, and getting problems resolved when they are treatable).

That minority is required to be treated, by law, and the majority that does the right thing and gets insurance ends up paying higher rates. As a result, insurance companies often try to cheat those who did the right thing and paid insurance by either dropping them from plans or declaring things "pre-existing conditions". So it's not like they have no say in what the "minority" chooses to do.

Simple solution. Eliminate private insurance, have universal health care.

Two wrongs don't make a right. EMTALA, and other laws forcing doctors to serve others against their will, are blatantly unconstitutional and can easily be dealt with without resorting to mandates. In any case, uncompensated care at emergencies rooms is NOT the primary cause of health care inflation (ironically, insurance IS), and it still doesn't give the majority the right to tell the minority what to buy.

Quite the contrary, it's a MAJOR cause of inflation.

Let's take two kids at school. Johnny Mom has good insurance. Juanita's mom doesn't.

They both catch a cold on the playground. Johnny's mom takes him to the pediatritian, and gets it treated for about $100.00. Juanita's mom can't get in to see a doctor, it develops into full blown pneumonia, they have to rush her to the emergency room for an $1800.00 treatment that Juanita's mom can't pay for. The Hospital than has to take that cost and spread it around to all the paying customers, which runs up everyone's price.

And frankly, if you're a doctor who is only a doctor to make money, you are probably a doctor for the wrong reason.

 

[The Rabbi]

Joe.......there is another brick wall behind the one that you are currently breaking through. This is not worth the effort.

Translation: Joe, give it up. You're getting your ass kicked. Again.

 

[JoeB131]

Joe.......there is another brick wall behind the one that you are currently breaking through. This is not worth the effort.

Well, I can have some sympathy for a guy like DBlack, because he has a valid concern. A government that is big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you have.

(Unlike Rabbid, who is just a high functioning retard, waiting in his trailer park for his welfare check).

Doing what we are doing now, Romney/ObamaCare, or a single payer system. All the options really kind of suck and they all have their own downfalls.

 

[Avorysuds]

Man this is so retarded... Yes Avatar, Mitt will get 40% of the vote just because there is an R next to his name, grats. The Medi did not make up that less people are voting for him 4 years later than they did when he ran in 2008.

It's gonna be McCain all over again.

You'll come back and own up to this prediction after the election, right?

Of course... And if I'm wrong then I'm wrong. But you need to understand that Mitt ran his state as a Progressive liberal, he spent tons with no way to pay for it. Federal money pays for Romneycare. Mitt's budget costs just as much as what Obama is spending now, the defict will grow at the same rate only slightly higher under Mitt and we will remain at war. This is Mit''s position, not my opinion.

 

[clevergirl]

He did not "impose" anything- The voters of MA wanted the health care bill he signed ...

Not all of them. And therein lies the problem. This is why we value constitutionally limited government. It prevents the majority from forcing it's will on the minority merely because they want something. The majority might think that insurance is a good idea, but that doesn't give them the right to force others to buy it too just so their prices will come down.

The principle is the same whether applied at the state or the federal level. Technically, Romneycare may be considered constitutional (although a proper application of the fourteenth amendment might find otherwise) and Obamacare might be overruled as un-constitutional, but it doesn't change the fact that they rest on exactly the same notion - that the majority can tell the minority what to buy.

That fact that Romney doesn't get this, and that Republicans are lining up behind him, puts the lie to their phony claims of liberty and limited government. Republicans are big-government corporatists just like the Democrats.

The rights of a state legislature differ from the rights of a federal one. The voters of MA have/had the option of referendum in order to overturn state law.

The mistake is to label party- The political class are corporatist, meaning by that; corporate cronies. Corporations are not bad. Wall Street is not bad- The evil lies with the political class ( some powerful politicians) climbing into bed with them- and yes, that is a bipartisan behavior.

Still, it is philosophically democrats who want to grow this class on the one hand and pay for it on the backs of America- i.e. give 'em (so called) free stuff to keep them quiet. They Republicans philosophical have no problem growing every class- by expecting everyone to want to earn stuff because they (a) know nothing is free and (b) understand drive keeps everyone happy.

 

[Unkotare]

You might not like Obama, but you know where he stands. And the same thing can be said about Santorum.

LOL. You lefties are still dreaming about Santorum winning the primary?

 

[FactFinder]

First one in PA. I really couldn't justify not going since it was five minutes down the street. I was surprised by some things and encouraged by others. A few things I noted:

1) Romney's message is conservative and focused on Obama. He emphasized getting government out of our lives and letting the people be free to pursue their dreams. He made some pretty persuasive arguments, some I aspects I hadn't considered. Im always pleasantly surprised when I get to learn things I didn't know.

2) The place was packed and full of energy. Romney was very much connecting with the people. I don't see how the claim that he is out of touch is warranted. I think the GOP is going to be alot more excited than the media is portraying. I saw guys I know who werent supporting Romney for the primary there cheering in excitement.

3) Contrary to the left's propaganda on the non-existant "War on women", there were quite alot of women supporting Romney. They were also quite vocal.

4) Unlike McCain, he was not at all afraid to take on Obama.

If you get a chance to go to a rally, I would encourage you to do so, because I think it might provide insight you aren't getting from the media. I'm very optimistic this year.

I feel for ya!

 

[Unkotare]

But you need to understand that Mitt ran his state as a Progressive liberal.

No he didn't. Maybe you don't understand Massachusetts politics.

 

[rdean]

Republicans can't unite with "reason". Who cares if they unite with the rest of the country? I say cut off their Medicare and food stamps and let the fuckers starve and die. As far as I'm concerned, they can have a taste of their own policies.

 

[Unkotare]

Your little act has long since grown tiresome.

 

[FactFinder]

But you need to understand that Mitt ran his state as a Progressive liberal.

No he didn't. Maybe you don't understand Massachusetts politics.

I live in Massachusetts and that is pretty much true. He talked a good story but his walk left a lot to be desired. My taxes increased under his watch. "Be careful what you wish for"

 

[Unkotare]

But you need to understand that Mitt ran his state as a Progressive liberal.

No he didn't. Maybe you don't understand Massachusetts politics.

I live in Massachusetts and that is pretty much true. He talked a good story but his walk left a lot to be desired. My taxes increased under his watch. "Be careful what you wish for"

Did you live in Mass when Romney was Gov? How about Weld? Cellucci? Swift?

 

[JimH52]

how many blacks did you see 3 or 4

So, how many?

 

[rdean]

how many blacks did you see 3 or 4

So, how many?

I'd like to know that too.

 

[rdean]

Your little act has long since grown tiresome.

Act?

 

[Unkotare]

Your little act has long since grown tiresome.

Act?

Yes, your boring, predictable, clumsy "look at me! look how much I hate Republicans!" act. You don't have the brain power to actually argue anything so you just repeat your "I hate you guys!" empty nonsense over and over and over and over rarely with any variation. You're too stupid to actually have a position on anything, so you drone on and on what you think represents the image you want. It is the image of a fucking idiot at best and a dishonest, empty hack on the average.

 

[JoeB131]

You might not like Obama, but you know where he stands. And the same thing can be said about Santorum.

LOL. You lefties are still dreaming about Santorum winning the primary?

Oh, no. I know that this was a rigged game from the start.

It's just when Obama beats Romney's ass, I hope all you idiots who backed him will apologize to the rest of us for it...

But you'll just scream about how Romney lost because bigots don't like cults started by child molestors.

 

[Toro]

Your little act has long since grown tiresome.

Act?

Yes, your boring, predictable, clumsy "look at me! look how much I hate Republicans!" act. You don't have the brain power to actually argue anything so you just repeat your "I hate you guys!" empty nonsense over and over and over and over rarely with any variation. You're too stupid to actually have a position on anything, so you drone on and on what you think represents the image you want. It is the image of a fucking idiot at best and a dishonest, empty hack on the average.

I'll vouch for rdean. He isn't acting.

 

[Unkotare]

You might not like Obama, but you know where he stands. And the same thing can be said about Santorum.

LOL. You lefties are still dreaming about Santorum winning the primary?

Oh, no. I know that this was a rigged game from the start. .

Conspiracy forum is thataway, douchebag lefty.