Welp s0ns....so much for electric vehicles!

[skookerasbil]

Just to keep things in perspective here since we get a lot of theory and fake statistics from the climate crusaders..........

In January of 2016, there were 113,000 F-Series trucks sold by Ford...........that's in one month. One truck series. One truck company.

113,000.....that is just short of total sales of ALL electric vehicle sales COMBINED!!

Best-Selling Pickup Trucks: February 2016 - PickupTrucks.com News


Who's not winning?

 

[skookerasbil]

In the 1st quarter of 2016 alone, Ford sold 650,000 vehicles........compared to total EV sales of all brands in 2016 of about 150,000!!

Hysterical? I think so!!!

So how many total all brands new EV sales happened in the first half of 2016?

65,000

Electric Vehicle Sales in the United States: 2016 Half-Year Update




Bah Bah Booey

 

[skookerasbil]

Electric vehicles are a joke.

 

[Old Rocks]

And how many EV sales five years ago? And when the price comes down to parity with the ICE's? That will happen in five years, and if, at the same time the Goodenough batteries begin to be manufactured, you will see people trading in their ICE's on the EV's by the million. Particularly if the solar continues to decline in price. Then one can manufacture their own fuel for the EV.

 

[HenryBHough]

There will never be a credible electric pickup truck until one is produced with an electric robo-pit bull snarling in the back!

Some points, though, if one comes with a rifle rack in the back window - a rack holding an electric death-ray laser rifle. But it still would need least an extra-cost optional electrodog.

 

[Old Rocks]

When the batteries get enough density, an EV pickup will not only be a reality, it will be vastly superior to the ICE pickups. Having max torque at 0 rpm means that towing a heavy load, like a boat up a ramp, will be much easier. And pickups and vans have a great deal more room under them for the batteries than do autos.

 

[polarbear]

And how many EV sales five years ago? And when the price comes down to parity with the ICE's? That will happen in five years, and if, at the same time the Goodenough batteries begin to be manufactured, you will see people trading in their ICE's on the EV's by the million. Particularly if the solar continues to decline in price. Then one can manufacture their own fuel for the EV.

That's 2 ifs that you mentioned, but there are more than 2.
No normal person would follow your advice and buy something that you say will be dramatically cheaper in the near future, which is why not even you are following your own advice.
Hedge funds are the only institutions that buy something expected to decline and profit from it. I remember all too well how Dem voters screamed about these kind of Wall Street scams when they reaped billions every time there was an economic downturn. After the US government backs out of these idiotic energy schemes, hedge funds will be the only ones peddling this crap. And while they do you will be back here boasting how much Goldman Sachs "invested" in Tesla. For now they pulled the plug on Tesla:
Tesla gets downgraded to 'sell' by Goldman Sachs
Were you hoping to find any idiots here who would buy this piece of shit at inflated prices from a company that may not even be around anymore in 5 years?

 

[polarbear]

When the batteries get enough density, an EV pickup will not only be a reality, it will be vastly superior to the ICE pickups. Having max torque at 0 rpm means that towing a heavy load, like a boat up a ramp, will be much easier. And pickups and vans have a great deal more room under them for the batteries than do autos.

Having max torque at 0 rpm means that towing a heavy load, like a boat up a ramp, will be much easier
No matter what the torque is at 0 rpm....:
Power = Torque x rpm and guess what the power is at zero rpm !
And we are supposed to take physics lessons from you?

 

[Old Rocks]

Now that is just fucking dumb, Polar. The amount of load you can pull from a standing start is determined by the torque and the traction. With a ICE, you have to burn the clutch or put a great deal of strain on the automatic transmission to move a heavy load from a dead stop. Because a low rpm, ICE's have little torque.

 

[Jarlaxle]

And that Camaro will eat nothing but dust from the high end Tesla 3.

For half a lap...then the Tesla shuts down because of overheating.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Not long from now, EV's will dominate this kind of track.

Naah. A Tesla cannot make ONE full-out lap at VIR.

 

[Jarlaxle]

A lot of battery disinformation goes on in these pages........much theory abounds. Heres the thing.......in 10 years, electric cars will have a larger share of the market than today, but will still be a fringe market. Think about it.....if you are a truck guy with a gun to your head trying to make deadlines on contracts, are you going to buy a truck that might die in the field or worse, you'd have to go find a station to charge at. Truck guys cant afford and wont take a chance at that.................100% certainty. Some just don't consider the practical aspects of electric vs conventionally powered vehicles. Next time you see an F150 Ford truck guy, go up and ask him if he'd switch to an electric truck!!

In 1965, had you asked an American driver if he would give up his big tank, you would have gotten the same answer. Now look at the cars on the freeway. And now, what took a generation then takes less than 1/2 that now. The pace of change continues to accelerate.

You mean now...where 3 of tbe 5 biggest sellers are full-size pickups!

 

[Jarlaxle]

And that Camaro will eat nothing but dust from the high end Tesla 3.

Put the money into the Camaro that you would sink into the Tesla and you would have a Camaro that would run a sub 10 second quarter mile, leaving the Tesla in the dust and it wouldn't leave you looking for a wall outlet after 200 miles...and just for fun, compare the value of that Camaro to the projected value of a Tesla of the same age....electrics are a joke and will never become transportation for the common man...they are toys for the self hating rich and will not likely ever be anything else.

SSo DDumb, you put enough money into that Camaro to get under ten seconds, and it will nearly undrivable in a Safeway parking lot. In the meantime, all the Tesla's, even the hottest one, will be silky smooth in normal environments, and still show their tail lights to almost everything else on the highway.

Dude...step out of 1980. 10-second runs and daily-driver reliability are not new!

 

[Jarlaxle]

Well, stupid ass, I assume that the Tesla was driven at legal speeds. After all, you were the one that said a thousand miles at 65 miles an hour. But that is typical of you, lose the argument and move the goal posts.

Once again rocks, a Mazda 2 could easily take your tesla in a cross country race...the only way that an electric could ever come close is if it were riding on a trailer behind a petroleum powered vehicle.

Your attempts to defend electrics vs petroleum vehicles is about as stupid and dishonest as your attempts to defend AGW...

Thousands ofpeople have trounced that Tesla "record" by 5+ hours....on motorcycles!

 

[Jarlaxle]

Now that is just fucking dumb, Polar. The amount of load you can pull from a standing start is determined by the torque and the traction. With a ICE, you have to burn the clutch or put a great deal of strain on the automatic transmission to move a heavy load from a dead stop. Because a low rpm, ICE's have little torque.

Which is why they have this great thing called "reduction gearing".

 

[Old Rocks]

And that Camaro will eat nothing but dust from the high end Tesla 3.

For half a lap...then the Tesla shuts down because of overheating.

You are correct if it is a road coarse race. Quarter mile, the Tesla does repeated runs successfully.

 

[skookerasbil]

And that Camaro will eat nothing but dust from the high end Tesla 3.

For half a lap...then the Tesla shuts down because of overheating.

You are correct if it is a road coarse race. Quarter mile, the Tesla does repeated runs successfully.

But silently........nobody who drives fast cares for that. Not mention it looks like a concept Altima. Those things matter to people who buy cars, especially when spending that much money. We are talking real here.........very few people are going to buy a car just because it goes fast in a straight line. Put that unit on the Nurbergring against a GT350R Mustang.......the Tesla ends up in the wall.. There are things in cars called suspensions that are quite important to the consumer. Steering feel ( its not one size fits all ). Brand loyalty..........and for many, the styling is an extension of self. Oh you'll have a handful of those social oddballs who seek to pad their weak ego's by silently going faster than another guy.......just like the Prius asshole who buys that car for one reason: to feel uppity about how they are more environmentally conscious than you. But.......nobody cares.

 

[skookerasbil]

And not for nothing........the front end of that car looks like it played a part on that movie "Avatar".

Boooooooooooooooooorrrrrrrrrrring!!!

 

[Old Rocks]

Not long from now, EV's will dominate this kind of track.

Naah. A Tesla cannot make ONE full-out lap at VIR.

The Tesla is not designed to make a lap at VIR. The NIO EP-9 is. And it established a new lap record for a street legal car according to Road and Track.

NIO EP9 Electric Supercar Nurburgring Record - Fastest Street-Legal Car at Nurburgring

 

[Old Rocks]

Tesla selling twice as many cars as it was in 2015
by Jill Disis @jdisisOctober 3, 2016: 10:53 AM ET

A one-week shutdown due to the launch of its new Model X didn't stop Tesla Motors from once again posting strong sales in the third quarter.
The electric luxury car maker announced it delivered 11,580 cars in the quarter, virtually of which were the Model S sedan. That's basically unchanged - up only 0.4% compared to the second quarter. But its sales jumped 49% above the same period a year earlier.


Unlike most other automakers, Tesla does not report monthly sales, only quarterly sales totals.

Tesla Motors posts another strong sales quarter

Tesla delivers a record number of vehicles during the first quarter 2017: ~25,000

Tesla released its delivery numbers for the first quarter 2017 and achieved both record deliveries and production during the first 3 months of the year: approx 13,450 were Model S and approx 11,550 were Model X. The company is on track to achieve the higher-end of its delivery goal of 47,000 to 50,000 vehicles for the first half of the year.



Furthermore, Tesla confirmed that 4,650 vehicles were in transit to customers during the end of the quarter and therefore, the company will only need to produce and deliver about 20,000 during the next three months in order to reach its goal.

The Model S is still Tesla’s best-seller, but it was probably the only full quarter when the Model X was available in all of the company’s markets.

Tesla delivers a record number of vehicles during the first quarter 2017: ~25,000

Tesla is now worth more than Ford after delivering a record number of cars for the quarter
Tesla delivered 25,000 cars in the first quarter while Ford’s sales dropped more than 7 percent in March.

Tesla, the electric vehicle manufacturer helmed by Elon Musk, set a new record in the first quarter by delivering 25,000 vehicles.

The 14-year-old company is now worth more than 113-year-old Ford, with a market cap of $47 billion compared with Ford’s $45 billion. While Tesla beat analyst estimates, Ford’s March sales dropped 7.2 percent year over year, sending its stock down on Monday.

Analysts expected Ford sales to drop just a little over 5 percent this March. While the automaker saw record sales of its Escape vehicles, Ford sold a total of a little under 237,000 vehicles this past month. That’s a significant drop from last March, when Ford posted its best month of sales in 10 years with about 255,000 vehicles sold.

Tesla is certainly smaller, and it’s still losing money. The electric vehicle manufacturer had $7 billion in annual revenue in 2016 while Ford saw close to $152 billion. Tesla also posted a loss of $773 million last year.

While much smaller in quantity, the record-setting deliveries are a good sign for Tesla as it prepares to begin production of its first mass-market vehicle, the Model 3.

Tesla is now worth more than Ford after delivering a record number of cars for the quarter