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Yes, you move the goalposts when you're getting your ass kicked. The topic wasn't trusting me, or any other individual vs. trusting the government, it was trusting the government.No, just outright lying and rubbing salve on your lesions.Just showing my natural skepticism like you suggested
But you can delude yourself all you wish. THAT is your natural state.
Who should I trust more??
The government of the greatest nation on earth.
or
An anonymous, lying piece of shit like Midnight Marauder?
Think this Patriot will choose the government of the United States of America
<is that skeptical enough for you MM?>
I don't know about that - but RW certainly turned MM's argument around in a devasting fashion.Hardly! First he says I am a liar because I said he wasn't capable of skepticism and critical thought, then in the next post admits I am right by saying he's trying to apply it?
Are you daft?
I see no reason to believe anything coming from this administration at this point. When Hopey Changey reappointed Ben Bernanke i knew the whole thing was just another sad scam. The very same people who destroyed our economy are still in charge so i see no real change. Why do so many Americans actually believe that the very same people who destroyed our economy are going to be the ones to fix it? It really is so shocking and perplexing. In fact Ben Bernanke will probably even see a raise in pay for all his corruption and incompetence. He even actually declared recently that the Recession is now over. Say Whaat?? Why should we believe anything this guy says at this point? How sad.
No, just outright lying and rubbing salve on your lesions.Just showing my natural skepticism like you suggested
But you can delude yourself all you wish. THAT is your natural state.
Who should I trust more??
The government of the greatest nation on earth.
or
An anonymous, lying piece of shit like Midnight Marauder?
Think this Patriot will choose the government of the United States of America
<is that skeptical enough for you MM?>
Your mediocre attempts at deflection leave much to be desired. Clearly it's yourself and your sock puppet whose egos are bruised. Because you know you have willingly suspended critical thinking in order to enjoy being a Obamalama cult member.I don't know about that - but RW certainly turned MM's argument around in a devasting fashion.
Are you daft?
so THAT'S the salve you are applying?????????
If it heals your bruised ego, go for it. I couldn't care less.
Yes, you move the goalposts when you're getting your ass kicked. The topic wasn't trusting me, or any other individual vs. trusting the government, it was trusting the government.No, just outright lying and rubbing salve on your lesions.
But you can delude yourself all you wish. THAT is your natural state.
Who should I trust more??
The government of the greatest nation on earth.
or
An anonymous, lying piece of shit like Midnight Marauder?
Think this Patriot will choose the government of the United States of America
<is that skeptical enough for you MM?>
Which clearly you blindly do, but only because it's currently democrat controlled, and this pleases partisan hacks such as yourself.
You're the idiot who admitted he wants a one-party dictatorship. Remember?
You and your sock puppet's case is, we should trust the government? Because it's currently democrat-controlled? Or if not, for what reason? When has the government ever been completely worthy of our trust?yeeeah - surely that's the case
But the government, we must blindly and faithfully trust it!Yes, you move the goalposts when you're getting your ass kicked. The topic wasn't trusting me, or any other individual vs. trusting the government, it was trusting the government.Who should I trust more??
The government of the greatest nation on earth.
or
An anonymous, lying piece of shit like Midnight Marauder?
Think this Patriot will choose the government of the United States of America
<is that skeptical enough for you MM?>
Which clearly you blindly do, but only because it's currently democrat controlled, and this pleases partisan hacks such as yourself.
You're the idiot who admitted he wants a one-party dictatorship. Remember?
To quote the great Joe Wilson: You Lie!
Yes, this skepticism stuff is great. If you assume everything that the marauder posts to be a lie, you see him in an all new light.
You see, MM is not to be trusted in anything he posts. Unlike the United States of America which has achieved the status of the greatest country in the history of mankind, the Marauder is a lowlife lying miscreant lurking in anonymous stupor.
But the government, we must blindly and faithfully trust it!Yes, you move the goalposts when you're getting your ass kicked. The topic wasn't trusting me, or any other individual vs. trusting the government, it was trusting the government.
Which clearly you blindly do, but only because it's currently democrat controlled, and this pleases partisan hacks such as yourself.
You're the idiot who admitted he wants a one-party dictatorship. Remember?
To quote the great Joe Wilson: You Lie!
Yes, this skepticism stuff is great. If you assume everything that the marauder posts to be a lie, you see him in an all new light.
You see, MM is not to be trusted in anything he posts. Unlike the United States of America which has achieved the status of the greatest country in the history of mankind, the Marauder is a lowlife lying miscreant lurking in anonymous stupor.
That's only you and your sock puppet, doing that.We are looking at the Government of the greatest nation on earth and comparing it to a lying, right wing miscreant?
That's only you and your sock puppet, doing that.We are looking at the Government of the greatest nation on earth and comparing it to a lying, right wing miscreant?
Clear thinking people know not to blindly trust the government in any comparison.
On 25th Aug 2009, President Obama announced that he would nominate Ben Bernanke to a second term as chairman of the Federal Reserve. In a short statement in Martha's Vineyard, with Bernanke standing at his side, Obama said Bernanke's background, temperament, courage and creativity helped to prevent another Great Depression in 2008. "Ben approached a financial system on the verge of collapse with calm and wisdom, with bold action and out-of-the-box thinking that has helped put the brakes on our economic free fall", the President said.
Yup and now the Recession is "Over" too. What a sad scam. Bernanke should be in Prison let alone keeping his job. Gee what a coincidence,immediately after being reappointed by Hopey Changey he announces that the Recession is now over. Just more corrupt Government quid pro quo stuff. "I'll let you keep your job but you gotta get out there and say what i want you to say." Why can't more people see this B.S.? I guess this is what happens when the people become Sheeple.
I guess we could do a little analysis. Currently we have 30-40 million without insurance. The reasons for not having health insurance?
1. Income is too low to pay for it. We have medicaid for that.
2. Do not perceive a big enough risk to buy it. Won't change except for the proposed penalty.
3. Insurance is too expensive cause of prior conditions. These folks will make a lower cost program all but impossible.
4. Have been excluded coverage. Again, a high risk group, which translates to expensive to cover.
The three points raised jsut below HR bill 3200's Heading is:
1. Cover ALL Americans. Fail. At best we still have 6% uncovered.
2. Cut costs. Fail. You can't add high risk individuals without increasing costs. There is a way, but its called rationed care.
3. Improve quality. Fail. This flies in the face of reducing costs.
If you fail continously, I will not "believe" you.
You make some untrue assumptions. I'll start with your reason #1: "1. Income is too low to pay for it. We have medicaid for that."
There are many among the working poor who are falling within that gap that you ignore.
I guess we could do a little analysis. Currently we have 30-40 million without insurance. The reasons for not having health insurance?
1. Income is too low to pay for it. We have medicaid for that.
2. Do not perceive a big enough risk to buy it. Won't change except for the proposed penalty.
3. Insurance is too expensive cause of prior conditions. These folks will make a lower cost program all but impossible.
4. Have been excluded coverage. Again, a high risk group, which translates to expensive to cover.
The three points raised jsut below HR bill 3200's Heading is:
1. Cover ALL Americans. Fail. At best we still have 6% uncovered.
2. Cut costs. Fail. You can't add high risk individuals without increasing costs. There is a way, but its called rationed care.
3. Improve quality. Fail. This flies in the face of reducing costs.
If you fail continously, I will not "believe" you.
You make some untrue assumptions. I'll start with your reason #1: "1. Income is too low to pay for it. We have medicaid for that."
There are many among the working poor who are falling within that gap that you ignore.
I certainly did not make an untrue assumption. Many people fall into that first category. As to your group, they either need to be included, if you are correct. Or they simply are making an economic decision to spend that money on another good or service. Say, cigarettes and alcohol.
Increasing wages will not solve the problem, it simply creates inflation.
Or possibly even, the rent, utilities, food...extravegances like thatOr they simply are making an economic decision to spend that money on another good or service. Say, cigarettes and alcohol.
You make some untrue assumptions. I'll start with your reason #1: "1. Income is too low to pay for it. We have medicaid for that."
There are many among the working poor who are falling within that gap that you ignore.
I certainly did not make an untrue assumption. Many people fall into that first category. As to your group, they either need to be included, if you are correct. Or they simply are making an economic decision to spend that money on another good or service. Say, cigarettes and alcohol.
Increasing wages will not solve the problem, it simply creates inflation.
Or possibly even, the rent, utilities, food...extravegances like thatOr they simply are making an economic decision to spend that money on another good or service. Say, cigarettes and alcohol.
http://www.nchc.org/facts/coverage.shtml
This document is also available as a printable .pdf file.
Facts on Health Insurance Coverage
Facts on the Cost of Health Insurance Coverage
Most Americans have health insurance through their employers, yet employment is no longer a guarantee of health insurance coverage. As America continues to move from a manufacturing-based economy to a service economy, and employee
working patterns continue to evolve, health insurance coverage has become less stable. The service sector offers less access to health insurance than its manufacturing counterparts.
Due to rising health insurance premiums, many small employers cannot afford to offer health benefits. Companies that do offer health insurance, often require employees to contribute a larger share toward their coverage. As a result, an increasing number of Americans have opted not to take advantage of job-based health insurance because they cannot afford it.
How Many Americans Are Uninsured?
Several studies estimate the number of uninsured Americans. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, nearly 47 million Americans, or 20 percent of the population under the age of 65, were without health insurance in 2008, their latest data available.1
The Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality, using the Medical Expenditure Panel Survey (MEPS) estimated that the percentage of uninsured Americans under age 65 represented 27 percent of the population. According to the MEPS data, nearly 54 million Americans under the age of 65 were uninsured in the first-half of 2007. 2
A recent study shows that based on the effects of the recession alone (not job loss), it is projected that nearly seven (7) million Americans will lose their health insurance coverage between 2008 and 2010. 3 Urban Institute researchers estimate that if unemployment reaches 10 percent, another six (6) million Americans will lose their health insurance coverage. Taking these numbers together, it is conceivable that by next year, 57 to 60 million Americans will be uninsured.
The Urban Institute estimates that under a worse case scenario, 66 million Americans will be uninsured by 2019. 4
Nearly 90 million people – about one-third of the population below the age of 65 spent a portion of either 2007 or 2008 without health coverage.5
Who Are the Uninsured?
The large majority of the uninsured (85 percent) are native or naturalized citizens.6
Nearly 1.1 million part-time workers lost their health insurance in 2008. 1
Over 8 in 10 uninsured people come from working families – almost 70 percent from families with one or 7
The percentage and the number of uninsured Hispanics was 31 percent and nearly 15 million in 2008.1
Why is the Number of Uninsured People Increasing?
Even if employees are offered coverage on the job, they can’t always afford their portion of the premium. Health insurance premiums have increased 131 percent for employers since 1999 and employee spending for health insurance coverage (employee’s share of family coverage) has increased 128 percent between 1999 and 2008.7 Rapidly rising health insurance premiums are the main reason cited by all small firms for not offering coverage. Health insurance premiums are rising at extraordinary rates. The average annual increase in inflation has been 2.5 percent while health insurance premiums for small firms have escalated an average of 12 percent annually.7
