When one says change has come to America what does that mean exactly?

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    I've often wondered what this expression means or even if it makes any real sense because I have always thought the motivation to change always eminates from the individual by the choices they make in their own lives such as a drunk getting off of booze or someone getting a better job. The only changes I have ever seen that ever occurs in society is when individuals make the choice to change for themselves so how can any politician claim to have power to bring change to our lives when that power resides within our own body.

    The question I am asking is what kind of government has the power to make choices for individuals about the changes they make in their own life that would determine what kind of citizen they will be? Either government has the power to make people "change" or that power reside in the individual him/herself. It can not reside in both or there will always be a conflict between citizen in government over what kind of citizen that citizen wants to be and what the government wants that citizen to be. In a free society that power resides in the citizen and never within the government.
     
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    Well said but I think the change the president envisions is a "radical transformation" of this country into a democratic socialist state. He was elected promising that.but hardly anyone listened or understood what he meant Except for his hard core lefty friends and the McCain voters.

    Change is being made for us and.we will be told this is what the people voted for. Not me.
     
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    Put out the alert: ihef and chanel have begun the bozo party. Bring fireworks!
     
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    What kind of radical transformation are you hoping for? What does hopeychangy mean to Jake? Redistribution of wealth? Govt run healthcare? International taxes for climate change? Be specific. Bozo party is missing the clowns
     
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    Take a look at every other President's picture we have ever had. Now take a look at Obama's picture. I'd say change has come to America. He has shorter hair.:lol:
     
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    I suppose the world has been in a mess for a long time. This poem is really good, and I think it fits here.



    I Wanted To Change The World
    Submitted by: Cage
    Author: Unknown Monk 1100 A.D.
    When I was a young man, I wanted to change the world.

    I found it was difficult to change the world, so I tried to change my nation.

    When I found I couldn't change the nation, I began to focus on my town. I couldn't change the town and as an older man, I tried to change my family.

    Now, as an old man, I realize the only thing I can change is myself, and suddenly I realize that if long ago I had changed myself, I could have made an impact on my family. My family and I could have made an impact on our town. Their impact could have changed the nation and I could indeed have changed the world.
     
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    The choice always belongs to the individual, as long as, he doesn't infringe on others rights and stays within the law. The Obama administration has already begun to take those choices from us, as example, mandated health care.
     
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    [/quote]I Wanted To Change The World
    Submitted by: Cage
    Author: Unknown Monk 1100 A.D.
    When I was a young man, I wanted to change the world.

    I found it was difficult to change the world, so I tried to change my nation.

    When I found I couldn't change the nation, I began to focus on my town. I couldn't change the town and as an older man, I tried to change my family.

    Now, as an old man, I realize the only thing I can change is myself, and suddenly I realize that if long ago I had changed myself, I could have made an impact on my family. My family and I could have made an impact on our town. Their impact could have changed the nation and I could indeed have changed the world.[/quote]

    Excellent!!

    Thanks.
     
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    I Wanted To Change The World
    Submitted by: Cage
    Author: Unknown Monk 1100 A.D.
    When I was a young man, I wanted to change the world.

    I found it was difficult to change the world, so I tried to change my nation.

    When I found I couldn't change the nation, I began to focus on my town. I couldn't change the town and as an older man, I tried to change my family.

    Now, as an old man, I realize the only thing I can change is myself, and suddenly I realize that if long ago I had changed myself, I could have made an impact on my family. My family and I could have made an impact on our town. Their impact could have changed the nation and I could indeed have changed the world.[/quote]

    Excellent!!

    Thanks.[/QUOTE]

    Wow. Good one.
     
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    I think the point is that our government can - and always has - reflected the change that a majority of individuals want to make.
    We changed from a colony to a nation because individuals decided that's the change they wanted.
    We changed from a slave-owing nation to a free nation because that's the change a majority of individuals wanted to make.
    We changed from a victim nation (Pearl Harbor) to a victorious nation because people wanted to make the individual sacrifices necessary to make that change.
    We changed from a segregated nation to a nation of equality for all because individuals wanted to see it happen.

    Our government is an expression of the will of individual people. It is not an outside agent - it is a reflection of the individual's will. If it is not - we elect a new government.

    That's the beauty of representative democracy.

    I know it is very popular to claim otherwise - especially when one finds himself/herself in the minority. It becomes all too convenient to pretend that your opinion really is the majority opinion but "the government" is thwarting that will of the majority.
    But the truth is just that the majority of individuals disagree with you and they are changing the government to reflect the will of the majority. If you don't like it - get your votes together and change it. If you don't have the votes to change it - you lose. Your priorities will not be reflected by the government - it's not the government's fault.
     
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