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QW.....i will say it again.....its hard to call a guy a "Quack" who has cleared up things that the "REAL" Doctors were totally inept at curing.....some of your "Doctors" seem to be Quacks themselves......just saying.....for back and joint related things .....ill go to the Chiropractor first.....the therapist i went to have a hell of a lot of patients and there is more than one with a MD looking over them......and if you have tendinitis in your wrist my chiropractor would work on the wrist,not your back,he has already worked on my arthritic elbow.....your against Chiropractors QW.....i get that......i was leery of them too until i went to one.....one who has gotten rid of things that your sacred Doctors were bumping around in the dark on.....its hard for me to say they are Quacks when the "Quack" cured something the so called legit guys could not......I already posted a link where a chiropractor recommended that anyone who wants to do what he does, and also believes in science, should go out and get a degree in physical therapy. Maybe you should find a better therapist. I know the orthopedic surgeon I saw for my tenosynovitis put me in touch with a therapist that did a better job than any quack chiropractor that would talk about manipulating my spine to help me with the pain in my wrist.
Tonosynovitus and tendinitis are not the same thing, which is why I prefer to go to people that study science over magic.
Acupuncturists and chiropractors are snake-oil salesmen, but it doesn't follow that since those services should be in the minimum benefits package, there shouldn't be a minimum benefits package.
It's like saying we should disband the FDA because homeopathic remedies aren't in it's jurisdiction.
My insurance has covered chiropractors and acupuncture for years. Never used either one, but it's covered.
Why pay for something that you never use? Do you make a habit of buying things and never using them? Isn't that really stupid? Or are you going to try and argue you don't pay for it?
My insurance has covered chiropractors and acupuncture for years. Never used either one, but it's covered.
Why pay for something that you never use? Do you make a habit of buying things and never using them? Isn't that really stupid? Or are you going to try and argue you don't pay for it?
I have car insurance and have never used it. The reason for insurance is to protect against the possibility of loss. Besides, it is a state law that I carry liability insurance if I want to get a drivers license.
most people already have insurance that covers acupuncture and chiropractic.
your point?
No they don't, most people are smart enough not to buy insurance that covers magical thinking.
Something else you're wrong about...
Do insurance plans cover chiropractic?
Yes. Chiropractic care is included in most health insurance plans, including major medical plans, workers compensation, Medicare, some Medicaid plans, and Blue Cross Blue Shield plans for federal employees, among others. Chiropractic care is also available to active-duty members of the armed forces at more than 60 military bases and is available to veterans at 36 major veterans medical facilities.
ACA - Frequently Asked Questions
Thanks to Obamacare you can now get it.
I hope everybody that ever supported this monstrosity chokes on the stuff they have to pay for now. Please, keep telling me how I want people to die in the streets because I oppose government mandated insurance. This is the type of shit everyone who considers themselves rational should stand up and demand be excluded from insurance, not covered by it.
https://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/06/...-push-to-fill-margins-of-health-coverage.html
most people already have insurance that covers acupuncture and chiropractic.
your point?
And states could mandate insurers cover those procedures even before the ACA was passed.
You haven't been reading my posts. I'm sick of the Reagan SOCIALIST health care "system" we have that treats everyone a little bit but screws over everyone a whole lot.
End EMTALA now.
Make everyone responsible for their own health care bills and watch cost plummet.
I am probably the first person on this board that pointed out that the simplest way to solve the problem of having to pay for emergency care of indigent people is to get rid of EMTLA. I know I said it before you ever joined the board, so you are going to upset me by pointing out Reagan started it.
Want to try and look even dumber?
Good idea. People need emergency care but can't pay for it? Let those bastards die.
Acupuncturists and chiropractors are snake-oil salesmen, but it doesn't follow that since those services should be in the minimum benefits package, there shouldn't be a minimum benefits package.
It's like saying we should disband the FDA because homeopathic remedies aren't in it's jurisdiction.
QW.....i will say it again.....its hard to call a guy a "Quack" who has cleared up things that the "REAL" Doctors were totally inept at curing.....some of your "Doctors" seem to be Quacks themselves......just saying.....for back and joint related things .....ill go to the Chiropractor first.....the therapist i went to have a hell of a lot of patients and there is more than one with a MD looking over them......and if you have tendinitis in your wrist my chiropractor would work on the wrist,not your back,he has already worked on my arthritic elbow.....your against Chiropractors QW.....i get that......i was leery of them too until i went to one.....one who has gotten rid of things that your sacred Doctors were bumping around in the dark on.....its hard for me to say they are Quacks when the "Quack" cured something the so called legit guys could not......
Tonosynovitus and tendinitis are not the same thing, which is why I prefer to go to people that study science over magic.
My insurance has covered chiropractors and acupuncture for years. Never used either one, but it's covered.
Why pay for something that you never use? Do you make a habit of buying things and never using them? Isn't that really stupid? Or are you going to try and argue you don't pay for it?
I have car insurance and have never used it. The reason for insurance is to protect against the possibility of loss. Besides, it is a state law that I carry liability insurance if I want to get a drivers license.
No they don't, most people are smart enough not to buy insurance that covers magical thinking.
Something else you're wrong about...
Do insurance plans cover chiropractic?
Yes. Chiropractic care is included in most health insurance plans, including major medical plans, workers compensation, Medicare, some Medicaid plans, and Blue Cross Blue Shield plans for federal employees, among others. Chiropractic care is also available to active-duty members of the armed forces at more than 60 military bases and is available to veterans at 36 major veterans medical facilities.
ACA - Frequently Asked Questions
What about individual plans, the ones that are seeing that largest premium incresases as a result of the new requirements to cover things instead of allowing people to make their own decisions? What about small businesses that elect to buy smaller plans instead of the more expensive comprehensive plans that are now the only choice? Do you honestly think more people work at companies that offer cadillac plans that cover voodoo than work for companies that offer more realistic coverage? Isn't that part of the reason that Obamacare mandate that plans have minimum coverage standards?
most people already have insurance that covers acupuncture and chiropractic.
your point?
And states could mandate insurers cover those procedures even before the ACA was passed.
How many states could actually force people to buy insurance before Obamacare?
Acupuncturists and chiropractors are snake-oil salesmen, but it doesn't follow that since those services should be in the minimum benefits package, there shouldn't be a minimum benefits package.
It's like saying we should disband the FDA because homeopathic remedies aren't in it's jurisdiction.
Feel free to point out where I said anything about insurance not having a minimum level of coverage.
Nice strawman though.
QW.....i will say it again.....its hard to call a guy a "Quack" who has cleared up things that the "REAL" Doctors were totally inept at curing.....some of your "Doctors" seem to be Quacks themselves......just saying.....for back and joint related things .....ill go to the Chiropractor first.....the therapist i went to have a hell of a lot of patients and there is more than one with a MD looking over them......and if you have tendinitis in your wrist my chiropractor would work on the wrist,not your back,he has already worked on my arthritic elbow.....your against Chiropractors QW.....i get that......i was leery of them too until i went to one.....one who has gotten rid of things that your sacred Doctors were bumping around in the dark on.....its hard for me to say they are Quacks when the "Quack" cured something the so called legit guys could not......
Tonosynovitus and tendinitis are not the same thing, which is why I prefer to go to people that study science over magic.
OMG!
I find myself absolutely on the "other" side right now. I've often had problems accepting the idea that the only medical authorities are the ones the AMA approves of. There is a place for alternative medicine, including chiropractic, acupuncture, homeopathy, herbology, etc. Why should everyone be shackled to the one-size-fits-all morbid pathology that pervades traditional Western medicine?
I prefer my chiropractor for a lot of reasons. He doesn't immediately resort to cutting or heavy-duty drugs. I personally practice herbal medicine, for myself and my livestock. Somehow, I doubt my animals feel better because they have convinced themselves of the efficacy of an herbal treatment.
i hear ya.....i recently had a pretty sore shoulder at the arm socket.....i thought maybe i ripped something working....it was hurting pretty good for a week.....went to the Chiro just for the regular adjustment.....he told me before i was able to say what is hurting....."did you know your Collarbone is slightly out?".....and he grabbed my arm and pressed on the Collarbone and the pain was almost nothing.....im sure it was all in my head.....the bone clicking into place.....im sure the Orthopedic guy would have wanted to operate to put the bone back in place....
I suppose you are one of the idiots that believe in acupuncture, homeopathy, and reiki.
No. I don't believe in any of those things. What I do believe is that you are making a mountain out of a molehill to bitch about something that is only proximately related.
I don't want to be forced to buy insurance that supports magic. If I had know there were this many creationists that support Obamacare I might have approached the subject differently, I honestly thought progressives that love science over magic would understand the issues.
I want what works and allopathic medicine does not work for everything. Where it shines is trauma. But, for many other things, other disciplines work as well or better.
QW.....i will say it again.....its hard to call a guy a "Quack" who has cleared up things that the "REAL" Doctors were totally inept at curing.....some of your "Doctors" seem to be Quacks themselves......just saying.....for back and joint related things .....ill go to the Chiropractor first.....Tonosynovitus and tendinitis are not the same thing, which is why I prefer to go to people that study science over magic.
If someone has untreatable cancer and is told he is going to die in six months, goes to a witch doctor in Africa who chants at him in ancient mumbletypeg, and he goes into remission, does that make the witch doctor legitimate?
Something else you're wrong about...
What about individual plans, the ones that are seeing that largest premium incresases as a result of the new requirements to cover things instead of allowing people to make their own decisions? What about small businesses that elect to buy smaller plans instead of the more expensive comprehensive plans that are now the only choice? Do you honestly think more people work at companies that offer cadillac plans that cover voodoo than work for companies that offer more realistic coverage? Isn't that part of the reason that Obamacare mandate that plans have minimum coverage standards?
Now you're trying to change what you said. Your original claim was that most plans don't cover it. Now you want to change it to say most plans purchased by certain subsets of the market don't cover it (I doubt that's true either, but it would have been a more defensible claim).
