Want insurance that covers acupuncture and chiropractors?

[geauxtohell]

My insurance has covered chiropractors and acupuncture for years. Never used either one, but it's covered.

Why pay for something that you never use? Do you make a habit of buying things and never using them? Isn't that really stupid? Or are you going to try and argue you don't pay for it?

Good point. My insurance covers an ICU visit if I should get in an automobile accident. I've never used it, as I have never been in a car accident. I am going to drop that shit!.........

 

[Quantum Windbag]

My insurance has covered chiropractors and acupuncture for years. Never used either one, but it's covered.

Why pay for something that you never use? Do you make a habit of buying things and never using them? Isn't that really stupid? Or are you going to try and argue you don't pay for it?

Good point. My insurance covers an ICU visit if I should get in an automobile accident. I've never used it, as I have never been in a car accident. I am going to drop that shit!.........

I suppose you are one of the idiots that believe in acupuncture, homeopathy, and reiki.

 

[gallantwarrior]

Thanks to Obamacare you can now get it.

I hope everybody that ever supported this monstrosity chokes on the stuff they have to pay for now. Please, keep telling me how I want people to die in the streets because I oppose government mandated insurance. This is the type of shit everyone who considers themselves rational should stand up and demand be excluded from insurance, not covered by it.

The chiropractors were out in force, lobbying for months to get their services included in every state’s package of essential health benefits that will be guaranteed under the new health care law.
“We’ve been in constant contact with our state chapters, just telling them, ‘Look, you’ve got to get in the room,’ ” said John Falardeau, senior vice president of government relations at the American Chiropractic Association.
The acupuncturists were modest by comparison, ultimately focusing on a few states, like California, where they had the best odds of being included.
“Our profession really didn’t have a million dollars to spend on a lobbyist,” said Jeannie Kang, the immediate past president of the American Association of Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine. Instead, they mobilized 20,000 acupuncturists and their patients in a letter-writing campaign.
Both efforts seem to have shown results. Most of the roughly two dozen states that have chosen their essential benefits — services that insurance will have to cover under the law — have decided to include chiropractic care in their package. Four states — California, Maryland, New Mexico and Washington — included acupuncture for treating pain, nausea and other ailments. It is also likely to be an essential benefit in Alaska and Nevada, according to the Department of Health and Human Services.

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/06/...-push-to-fill-margins-of-health-coverage.html

Chiropractors have been covered under Medicaid here for quite a while.

 

[gallantwarrior]

I wouldn't object if only the chiros were legit and didn't just look at an xray, say you have a twisted spine or some shit, and then claim it'll take 6 sessions at $95 per session to fix the problem, and then have you walk out in worse shape than you walked in.

Chiropractors are bullshit artists.

Maybe in your country. Maybe some cases here. The chiropractors I've been treated by here are like miracle workers. I would much rather be treated by a chiropractor than a surgeon any day.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

I don't know what ins covers abortion now. They all should. If one pays for full coverage insurance, one should get full coverage insurance.

And rw's be damned.

If you want to pay for it, go for it. If, however, you want me to pay for it, fuck off.

But when I say I don't want to pay for other people's trips to the emergency room, you rw's go ballistic.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I don't know what ins covers abortion now. They all should. If one pays for full coverage insurance, one should get full coverage insurance.

And rw's be damned.

If you want to pay for it, go for it. If, however, you want me to pay for it, fuck off.

But when I say I don't want to pay for other people's trips to the emergency room, you rw's go ballistic.

Have I ever gone ballistic? Besides, you are the one that insists they should get free care.

 

[dblack]

If you want to pay for it, go for it. If, however, you want me to pay for it, fuck off.

But when I say I don't want to pay for other people's trips to the emergency room, you rw's go ballistic.

Have I ever gone ballistic? Besides, you are the one that insists they should get free care.

Right. But that doesn't mean he wants to chip in. Are you daft? The plan is to get someone else to foot the bill.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

If you want to pay for it, go for it. If, however, you want me to pay for it, fuck off.

But when I say I don't want to pay for other people's trips to the emergency room, you rw's go ballistic.

Have I ever gone ballistic? Besides, you are the one that insists they should get free care.

You haven't been reading my posts. I'm sick of the Reagan SOCIALIST health care "system" we have that treats everyone a little bit but screws over everyone a whole lot.

End EMTALA now.

Make everyone responsible for their own health care bills and watch cost plummet.

 

[dblack]

But when I say I don't want to pay for other people's trips to the emergency room, you rw's go ballistic.

Have I ever gone ballistic? Besides, you are the one that insists they should get free care.

You haven't been reading my posts. I'm sick of the Reagan SOCIALIST health care "system" we have that treats everyone a little bit but screws over everyone a whole lot.

End EMTALA now.

Make everyone responsible for their own health care bills and watch cost plummet.

Yep. Where were you when it was used as a justification for Robamneycare?

 

[Luddly Neddite]

I've never lived in Massachusetts.

 

[dblack]

I've never lived in Massachusetts.

I'm referring to PPACA - the Democrat's version of "Romneycare".

Don't get me wrong, it's great to see you come around on these issues of individual responsibility. But it would have been nice if you'd spoke up against EMTALA a long time ago, rather that letting it be used as a bad excuse for even worse legislation.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

But when I say I don't want to pay for other people's trips to the emergency room, you rw's go ballistic.

Have I ever gone ballistic? Besides, you are the one that insists they should get free care.

You haven't been reading my posts. I'm sick of the Reagan SOCIALIST health care "system" we have that treats everyone a little bit but screws over everyone a whole lot.

End EMTALA now.

Make everyone responsible for their own health care bills and watch cost plummet.

I am probably the first person on this board that pointed out that the simplest way to solve the problem of having to pay for emergency care of indigent people is to get rid of EMTLA. I know I said it before you ever joined the board, so you are going to upset me by pointing out Reagan started it.

Want to try and look even dumber?

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Thanks to Obamacare you can now get it.

I hope everybody that ever supported this monstrosity chokes on the stuff they have to pay for now. Please, keep telling me how I want people to die in the streets because I oppose government mandated insurance. This is the type of shit everyone who considers themselves rational should stand up and demand be excluded from insurance, not covered by it.

The chiropractors were out in force, lobbying for months to get their services included in every state’s package of essential health benefits that will be guaranteed under the new health care law.
“We’ve been in constant contact with our state chapters, just telling them, ‘Look, you’ve got to get in the room,’ ” said John Falardeau, senior vice president of government relations at the American Chiropractic Association.
The acupuncturists were modest by comparison, ultimately focusing on a few states, like California, where they had the best odds of being included.
“Our profession really didn’t have a million dollars to spend on a lobbyist,” said Jeannie Kang, the immediate past president of the American Association of Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine. Instead, they mobilized 20,000 acupuncturists and their patients in a letter-writing campaign.
Both efforts seem to have shown results. Most of the roughly two dozen states that have chosen their essential benefits — services that insurance will have to cover under the law — have decided to include chiropractic care in their package. Four states — California, Maryland, New Mexico and Washington — included acupuncture for treating pain, nausea and other ailments. It is also likely to be an essential benefit in Alaska and Nevada, according to the Department of Health and Human Services.

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/06/...-push-to-fill-margins-of-health-coverage.html

My wife's insurance has always covered chiropractors.

I'd guess insurers would rather you go to a chiropractor for your back problems than have you pay a surgeon to cut your back open and perform expensive surgery with the oodles of potential complications that could jack costs up into the hundreds of thousands. Who the fuck woulda thought that insurance wants to save money? But hey - let's all ridicule options that cost far less than the western medical standard and then wonder why health care cost so damn much, shall we? If an acupuncturist can relieve your pain for dirt cheap that shouldn't be covered, you should only be covered for expensive medications and have expensive surgeries - that's how we keep costs down, eliminate the cheap options.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Thanks to Obamacare you can now get it.

I hope everybody that ever supported this monstrosity chokes on the stuff they have to pay for now. Please, keep telling me how I want people to die in the streets because I oppose government mandated insurance. This is the type of shit everyone who considers themselves rational should stand up and demand be excluded from insurance, not covered by it.

The chiropractors were out in force, lobbying for months to get their services included in every state’s package of essential health benefits that will be guaranteed under the new health care law.
“We’ve been in constant contact with our state chapters, just telling them, ‘Look, you’ve got to get in the room,’ ” said John Falardeau, senior vice president of government relations at the American Chiropractic Association.
The acupuncturists were modest by comparison, ultimately focusing on a few states, like California, where they had the best odds of being included.
“Our profession really didn’t have a million dollars to spend on a lobbyist,” said Jeannie Kang, the immediate past president of the American Association of Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine. Instead, they mobilized 20,000 acupuncturists and their patients in a letter-writing campaign.
Both efforts seem to have shown results. Most of the roughly two dozen states that have chosen their essential benefits — services that insurance will have to cover under the law — have decided to include chiropractic care in their package. Four states — California, Maryland, New Mexico and Washington — included acupuncture for treating pain, nausea and other ailments. It is also likely to be an essential benefit in Alaska and Nevada, according to the Department of Health and Human Services.

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/06/...-push-to-fill-margins-of-health-coverage.html

My wife's insurance has always covered chiropractors.

I'd guess insurers would rather you go to a chiropractor for your back problems than have you pay a surgeon to cut your back open and perform expensive surgery with the oodles of potential complications that could jack costs up into the hundreds of thousands. Who the fuck woulda thought that insurance wants to save money? But hey - let's all ridicule options that cost far less than the western medical standard and then wonder why health care cost so damn much, shall we? If an acupuncturist can relieve your pain for dirt cheap that shouldn't be covered, you should only be covered for expensive medications and have expensive surgeries - that's how we keep costs down, eliminate the cheap options.

I am guessing that health insurance companies would rather you blow your brains out than go through chemotherapy too, what's your point? Maybe if you were a scientist you would understand why I expect doctors to make recommendations based on science rather than send me to a con man in order to save the insurance company a few bucks, but you hate facts and science, so you will never get it.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Thanks to Obamacare you can now get it.

I hope everybody that ever supported this monstrosity chokes on the stuff they have to pay for now. Please, keep telling me how I want people to die in the streets because I oppose government mandated insurance. This is the type of shit everyone who considers themselves rational should stand up and demand be excluded from insurance, not covered by it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/06/...-push-to-fill-margins-of-health-coverage.html

My wife's insurance has always covered chiropractors.

I'd guess insurers would rather you go to a chiropractor for your back problems than have you pay a surgeon to cut your back open and perform expensive surgery with the oodles of potential complications that could jack costs up into the hundreds of thousands. Who the fuck woulda thought that insurance wants to save money? But hey - let's all ridicule options that cost far less than the western medical standard and then wonder why health care cost so damn much, shall we? If an acupuncturist can relieve your pain for dirt cheap that shouldn't be covered, you should only be covered for expensive medications and have expensive surgeries - that's how we keep costs down, eliminate the cheap options.

I am guessing that health insurance companies would rather you blow your brains out than go through chemotherapy too, what's your point? Maybe if you were a scientist you would understand why I expect doctors to make recommendations based on science rather than send me to a con man in order to save the insurance company a few bucks, but you hate facts and science, so you will never get it.

So treatments that work for some people shouldn't be used until we can scientifically prove how they work.

Well that eliminates about half of all the drugs on the market.

You want 100% western medicine go for it - that's what I choose. But if an acupuncturist or chiropractor can relieve someone's pain and improve their quality of life I find it hard to have a problem with that.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

My wife's insurance has always covered chiropractors.

I'd guess insurers would rather you go to a chiropractor for your back problems than have you pay a surgeon to cut your back open and perform expensive surgery with the oodles of potential complications that could jack costs up into the hundreds of thousands. Who the fuck woulda thought that insurance wants to save money? But hey - let's all ridicule options that cost far less than the western medical standard and then wonder why health care cost so damn much, shall we? If an acupuncturist can relieve your pain for dirt cheap that shouldn't be covered, you should only be covered for expensive medications and have expensive surgeries - that's how we keep costs down, eliminate the cheap options.

I am guessing that health insurance companies would rather you blow your brains out than go through chemotherapy too, what's your point? Maybe if you were a scientist you would understand why I expect doctors to make recommendations based on science rather than send me to a con man in order to save the insurance company a few bucks, but you hate facts and science, so you will never get it.

So treatments that work for some people shouldn't be used until we can scientifically prove how they work.

Well that eliminates about half of all the drugs on the market.

You want 100% western medicine go for it - that's what I choose. But if an acupuncturist or chiropractor can relieve someone's pain and improve their quality of life I find it hard to have a problem with that.

Is that what I said? If idiots want to pay for con men to place magnets up their ass and dance around them wearing rats I have no problem with it. I do, however, have a problem with the government telling me I should pay for the those idiots to be conned.

Once again, people who use science as a way to understand the world have no problem understanding my point.

 

[jillian]

Thanks to Obamacare you can now get it.

I hope everybody that ever supported this monstrosity chokes on the stuff they have to pay for now. Please, keep telling me how I want people to die in the streets because I oppose government mandated insurance. This is the type of shit everyone who considers themselves rational should stand up and demand be excluded from insurance, not covered by it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/06/...-push-to-fill-margins-of-health-coverage.html

most people already have insurance that covers acupuncture and chiropractic.

your point?

No they don't, most people are smart enough not to buy insurance that covers magical thinking.

you don't know what you're talking about. most people are insured through work and are covered for chiropractic and actupuncture.

thanks for playing. and, for the record, both serve their purposes. march 1st will be 5 years since i quit smoking by using acupuncture. and when you have back pain, there's nothing wrong with an adjustment from a chiro.. nothing 'magical' about either.

but it's funny to see you call it magical when you think we should all live by *your* bible.

 

[WillowTree]

Thanks to Obamacare you can now get it.

I hope everybody that ever supported this monstrosity chokes on the stuff they have to pay for now. Please, keep telling me how I want people to die in the streets because I oppose government mandated insurance. This is the type of shit everyone who considers themselves rational should stand up and demand be excluded from insurance, not covered by it.

The chiropractors were out in force, lobbying for months to get their services included in every state’s package of essential health benefits that will be guaranteed under the new health care law.
“We’ve been in constant contact with our state chapters, just telling them, ‘Look, you’ve got to get in the room,’ ” said John Falardeau, senior vice president of government relations at the American Chiropractic Association.
The acupuncturists were modest by comparison, ultimately focusing on a few states, like California, where they had the best odds of being included.
“Our profession really didn’t have a million dollars to spend on a lobbyist,” said Jeannie Kang, the immediate past president of the American Association of Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine. Instead, they mobilized 20,000 acupuncturists and their patients in a letter-writing campaign.
Both efforts seem to have shown results. Most of the roughly two dozen states that have chosen their essential benefits — services that insurance will have to cover under the law — have decided to include chiropractic care in their package. Four states — California, Maryland, New Mexico and Washington — included acupuncture for treating pain, nausea and other ailments. It is also likely to be an essential benefit in Alaska and Nevada, according to the Department of Health and Human Services.

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/06/...-push-to-fill-margins-of-health-coverage.html

My wife's insurance has always covered chiropractors.

I'd guess insurers would rather you go to a chiropractor for your back problems than have you pay a surgeon to cut your back open and perform expensive surgery with the oodles of potential complications that could jack costs up into the hundreds of thousands. Who the fuck woulda thought that insurance wants to save money? But hey - let's all ridicule options that cost far less than the western medical standard and then wonder why health care cost so damn much, shall we? If an acupuncturist can relieve your pain for dirt cheap that shouldn't be covered, you should only be covered for expensive medications and have expensive surgeries - that's how we keep costs down, eliminate the cheap options.

What does YOUR insurance cover?

 

[kwc57]

If there's one thing we must not allow its people buying their own insurance and then getting the coverage they paid for.

Whether its birth control or acupuncture - you should not be allowed to pay for your own health care insurance and then not get what you paid for.

When was anyone NOT allowed to buy their own insurance? Never.

 

[kwc57]

Thanks to Obamacare you can now get it.

I hope everybody that ever supported this monstrosity chokes on the stuff they have to pay for now. Please, keep telling me how I want people to die in the streets because I oppose government mandated insurance. This is the type of shit everyone who considers themselves rational should stand up and demand be excluded from insurance, not covered by it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/06/...-push-to-fill-margins-of-health-coverage.html

most people already have insurance that covers acupuncture and chiropractic.

your point?

No they don't, most people are smart enough not to buy insurance that covers magical thinking.

I'm guessing you didn't vote for........