Violence Has It's Home On The Left.

And I believe that that is apparent in my posts, which are usually informative if incendiary, and rarely attack others for imaginary mental defects.

That is what separates us.





:lol: :eusa_liar:

Try again?








Welcome to USMB Day School!

Today's lesson in 'etymology and definitions' is the word 'raving,' meaning "Wild, incoherent, or irrational talk"...

Let us see if our little friend Ravi has use the word correctly, or is simply mouthing a term she heard in the school yard:
Incoherent: unable to express yourself clearly or fluently
Irrational: not consistent with or using reason

Now, little Ravi, did you find the OP's listing of presidential assassins as not being expressed clearly?
Was there confluence of names or terms unreasonable? If so, in what way?

Now do you see why you should do more reading? Then you would use the correct terminology.

OH...now I see...it's the reason that you are 'ravi'...as in raving!
Very good!

Now, I realize that you want to participate, but by using proper language, it would be easier to determine whether you hate Ms. Coulter, or are trying to associate her with yourself!

Try again?

You are trying soooo hard to be abrasive....

if only you had the equipment.

You fail to see the difference between "imaginary mental defects" and treating her like a child.

But I'm sure that Ravi will give you a pat on the head, and, after all, that is what you pine for.



Wrong again. I have been on the other side of the arguments with Ravi and most of the other people in this thread. It's YOU I don't like.
 
"...ugly thread with an O/P masking hate inside of the pretense of some warped type of pseudo-intellectualism."

1. Translation from Lib to English: I can't find anything in the OP that is in error, so I'll use the default attack, i.e. it must be evil

2. I resent any appellation that includes 'intellectual,' even in half the term!
That term is a pejorative, reserved for the omniscient on the left.
From a book review of Dr. Thomas Sowell's "Intellectuals and Society."

a. He first examined the conflict between a “constrained” vision of politics and social change and a vision of society by which intellectuals (“the anointed”) seek permanent “solutions” to social and national problems. Modern intellectuals, Sowell writes, have a “vision of themselves as a self-appointed vanguard, leading towards a better world.”

b. Unlike advocates of the more conservative, constrained vision, this intellectual vanguard tends to take the “benefits of civilization for granted.” The “vision of the anointed” lacks respect for the wisdom inherent in experience and common opinion. Its practitioners value abstractions—dreams for a peaceful, egalitarian world where conflicts have been overcome—over the “tacit knowledge” available to the parent, the consumer, the entrepreneur, and the citizen.
(emphasis mine)
An Independent Mind by Daniel J. Mahoney, City Journal 18 June 2010

3.An aside to my good friend Jillian: based on your education, I would expect a more insightful response, or defense of your beliefs...
instead, you fall back on this kind of vapid, vague, nattering, nebulous attack.

You must know by now that that strategy falls short with me...how about some real serious posts? We can make this interesting for all concerned.

You're the one that started this pitiful thread. Why didn't you set an example of making it serious??

I'm sorry, but your "teaching thread" is a bust. I remember that you have stated before that you have to educate people. I think you have a need to be important and looked up to. But it's not going to happen here, dear. Your ideas and the information you provide are not the least bit impressive.

Actually, you started the thread, or your comment did.

And, of course, none are as needy of education as you are.

"But it's not going to happen here, dear." And that is probably the reason that education has never take hold in you....sadly.

There are the folks who know, and the folks who don’t know, but you belong to the third group: the ones who don’t know, and don’t know they don’t know.

Thanks very much for allowing me to start this thread; I've explained it to you, but I can't comprehend it for you.

You sound like a poor little Ann Coulter wannabee!! :lol: And don't blame me for this stupid thread. My comprehension of it was as good as others who provided you with feedback. It stinks!!!
 
You're the one that started this pitiful thread. Why didn't you set an example of making it serious??

I'm sorry, but your "teaching thread" is a bust. I remember that you have stated before that you have to educate people. I think you have a need to be important and looked up to. But it's not going to happen here, dear. Your ideas and the information you provide are not the least bit impressive.

Actually, you started the thread, or your comment did.

And, of course, none are as needy of education as you are.

"But it's not going to happen here, dear." And that is probably the reason that education has never take hold in you....sadly.

There are the folks who know, and the folks who don’t know, but you belong to the third group: the ones who don’t know, and don’t know they don’t know.

Thanks very much for allowing me to start this thread; I've explained it to you, but I can't comprehend it for you.

see, rinata. it's YOUR fault. you made her do it.

Yeah, I know. She's a good little con, isn't she??? :lol: Beck would be proud of her.
 
but she likes them so much, she feels like they are her own. surely that must count for something.

well, she fancies herself an intellectual.

as soon as i find evidence of that, i'll be sure to comment.

You misunderstand...

it is the opposite: I'm not anti-intellectual.

I'm not ashamed of reading, studying, and actually having the knowledge that allows me to analyze political positions.

And I believe that that is apparent in my posts, which are usually informative if incendiary, and rarely attack others for imaginary mental defects.

That is what separates us.

People are telling you the exact opposite!!! You're the only one that thinks you're superior. Get a clue, girl.
 
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but she likes them so much, she feels like they are her own. surely that must count for something.

well, she fancies herself an intellectual.

as soon as i find evidence of that, i'll be sure to comment.

You misunderstand...

it is the opposite: I'm not anti-intellectual.

I'm not ashamed of reading, studying, and actually having the knowledge that allows me to analyze political positions.
And I believe that that is apparent in my posts, which are usually informative if incendiary, and rarely attack others for imaginary mental defects.

That is what separates us.

What separates us is intolerance and the arrogance of believing one knows immutable truths.
 
Nice spin, but you missed a couple of important details.

My fellow board member, Rinata, disputed this statement; "...you are unaware of the fact that it is the left that is typically and repeatedly responsible for actual violence in our society..."

One of those political themes, supported by the left-wing press, and readily believed by the easily-led, is that political violence is suckled in the bosom of right wing cabals…

Let’s investigate the veracity of this view.

1. The current spin:

a. There are more death threats aimed at President Obama: “At a congressional hearing into the White House security breach that took place last week, when Tareq and Michaele Salahi "crashed" the White House state dinner, Secret Service Director Mark Sullivan said the current threat level against the president is normal.

"The threats right now ... is the same level as it has been for the previous two presidents at this point in their administrations," Sullivan said. Secret Service: Threats Against Obama No Higher than Normal - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

b. McCain-Palin rallies? The Times Leader of Wilkes-Barre, Pa., reports that the Secret Service can find no evidence that anyone shouted “Kill him!” in reference to Barack Obama at a recent Palin event (via Little Green Footballs).
The story was originally reported by a competitor, the Scranton Times-Tribune, which is standing by its reporter, David Singleton:
Mr. Singleton said the remark came from his right, amid booing that followed Mr. Hackett’s mention of Mr. Obama.
“ very distinctly heard, ‘Kill him!’ Male voice,” he said. “It was definitely back in the back.”
Media Nation So what about those death threats?

c. During the Bush presidency, liberals had actually produced books and movies about the fantasy of President Bush being assassinated.

2. Historic review:
every presidential assassin in the history of the nation has been a liberal- or has not been associated with a political outlook- none were right-wingers.

a. John Wilkes Booth was opposed to President Lincoln’s Republican war policies. THE MURDERER OF MR. LINCOLN. - Extraordinary Letter of John Wilkes Booth Proof that He Meditated His Crime Months Ago His Excuses for the Contemplated Act His Participation in the Execution of John Brown. Commissioners of Public Charities and Correct

John Wilkes Booth was opposed to the abolition of slavery, and a Confederate sympathizer who killed Lincoln for those reasons - not because he was a "Republican".

From your link:
This country was formed for the white, not for the black man. And looking upon African Slavery from the same stand-point held by the noble framers of our constitution. I for one, have ever considered if one of the greatest blessings (both for themselves and us,) that God has ever bestowed upon a favored nation.

b. Charles J. Guiteau, who shot President James Garfield, was part of a utopian commune, the Oneida Community, where free love was practiced. Ackerman, “Dark Horse: The Surprise Election and Political Murder of President James A. Garfield,” p.135
The Oneida Community was a cult, not a hippie commune. Charles Guiteau killed Garfield because he claims God told him to.

c. Leon Czolgosz, who killed President McKinley, was a socialist and anarchist, whose act was instigated by a speech he heard by socialist Emma Goldman. American Experience | Emma Goldman | Transcript | PBS
This is true.

d. John Schrank, who shot and wounded Teddy Roosevelt in 1912, seemed to have no affiliation other than opposition to a third term. Theodore Roosevelt shot in Milwaukee — History.com This Day in History — 10/14/1912
This is also true.

e. Giuseppe Zangara, who came close to killing President Roosevelt in 1933, (he killed Mayor Cermak) hated the rich and sought to “make even with the capitalists.” Franklin D. Roosevelt Assassination Attempt - FBI Freedom of Information Act Files - Miami Public Pages
Zangara may have hated "capitalists", but he also blamed Herbert Hoover for his intense chest pains. After Hoover was replaced by FDR, he blamed FDR, claiming that they were the same. The people on your list are all crazy men - none of them are "liberals".

f. Lee Harvey Oswald, who shot JFK, had been a communist ever since he read a communist pamphlet about the Rosenbergs.
Not sure I agree the Oswald killed JFK, but aside from that this is true.

g. Sirhan Sirhan, who killed Robert Kennedy, was a Palestinian who hated Kennedy’s support of Israel.
I wouldn't consider him "liberal" either.

h. Arthur Bremer shot George Wallace in 1972, due to Wallace’s support for segregation. Arthur Bremer Biography from Basic Famous People - Biographies of Celebrities and other Famous People Upon his release, Bremer showed no remorse: “ ‘shooting segregationist dinosaurs’ is not like shooting people because ‘they are extinct by act of God.’ This mention of God was the only blemish on Bremer’s otherwise impeccable liberal credentials.” Coulter, “Guilty,” p. 260.
Ann Coulter's opinion of the matter really doesn't matter to me.

i. Lynette ‘Squeaky’ Fromme, tried to shoot President Ford because she was incensed about the plight of the California redwoods. Gerald Ford Oultived His Obituary Writer
Also she was a member of the Manson Family. I don't think you get to call her a liberal either. Just crazy.

j. Sara Jane Moore also tried to kill President Ford because “the government had declared war on the left.” Interview: Woman Who Tried To Assassinate Ford 1/03/07 | abc7news.com
This is true.

k. John Hinckley shot President Reagan to impress a girl. The jury found him “not guilty by reason of insanity.” “”…which is as good a definition of liberalism as I’ve heard.” Coulter, “Guilty.” P. 260.
Once again, the Ann Coulter quotes do nothing for your argument.

Welcome to the real world, Rinata.

It's only the "real" world when you tell the whole story.
 
So NO ONE here can make a coherent argument that Sirhan Sirhan is a liberal?

Anyone here even want to argue that claiming Sirhan Sirhan is a liberal is not the stupidest thing posted so far this week?

Carby, give it up already.

Sirhan Sirhan assassinated Robert Kennedy for espousing a right wing position: support of Israel.

That puts him in one of the major cohorts of the left.

If you ask this again, you will be in the cohort of BoringFriendlessGuy, who goes on and on interminably.

Support of Israel is a rightwing position????? That's daft.

You can say that, being from NYC, and seeing all those liberals get elected year after year?

Hillary Clinton NY Senator? Chuck Schumer? Mayor Bloomberg, Liberal Republican?
 
So NO ONE here can make a coherent argument that Sirhan Sirhan is a liberal?

Anyone here even want to argue that claiming Sirhan Sirhan is a liberal is not the stupidest thing posted so far this week?
Yeah...the statement that John Wilkes Booth was a liberal is the stupidest thing posted so far this week.

who was the moron who said that?

The OP. I admit, the John Wilkes Booth thing is even more demented than calling Sirhan Sirhan a liberal.
 
Most of those assassin's adhered to a philosophy that goes beyond political ideology, it's called crazy. Though I will say quoting Ann Coulter makes you look foolish.
 
So NO ONE here can make a coherent argument that Sirhan Sirhan is a liberal?

Anyone here even want to argue that claiming Sirhan Sirhan is a liberal is not the stupidest thing posted so far this week?

Carby, give it up already.

Sirhan Sirhan assassinated Robert Kennedy for espousing a right wing position: support of Israel.

That puts him in one of the major cohorts of the left.

If you ask this again, you will be in the cohort of BoringFriendlessGuy, who goes on and on interminably.

Now that we've proven Sirhan Sirhan was no liberal, let's move on to John Wilkes Booth.

Can you prove he was a liberal? (jeezus I couldn't keep a straight face just typing that)
 
My fellow board member, Rinata, disputed this statement; "...you are unaware of the fact that it is the left that is typically and repeatedly responsible for actual violence in our society..."

One of those political themes, supported by the left-wing press, and readily believed by the easily-led, is that political violence is suckled in the bosom of right wing cabals…

Let’s investigate the veracity of this view.

1. The current spin:

a. There are more death threats aimed at President Obama: “At a congressional hearing into the White House security breach that took place last week, when Tareq and Michaele Salahi "crashed" the White House state dinner, Secret Service Director Mark Sullivan said the current threat level against the president is normal.

"The threats right now ... is the same level as it has been for the previous two presidents at this point in their administrations," Sullivan said. Secret Service: Threats Against Obama No Higher than Normal - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

b. McCain-Palin rallies? The Times Leader of Wilkes-Barre, Pa., reports that the Secret Service can find no evidence that anyone shouted “Kill him!” in reference to Barack Obama at a recent Palin event (via Little Green Footballs).
The story was originally reported by a competitor, the Scranton Times-Tribune, which is standing by its reporter, David Singleton:
Mr. Singleton said the remark came from his right, amid booing that followed Mr. Hackett’s mention of Mr. Obama.
“ very distinctly heard, ‘Kill him!’ Male voice,” he said. “It was definitely back in the back.”
Media Nation So what about those death threats?

c. During the Bush presidency, liberals had actually produced books and movies about the fantasy of President Bush being assassinated.

2. Historic review:
every presidential assassin in the history of the nation has been a liberal- or has not been associated with a political outlook- none were right-wingers.

a. John Wilkes Booth was opposed to President Lincoln’s Republican war policies. THE MURDERER OF MR. LINCOLN. - Extraordinary Letter of John Wilkes Booth Proof that He Meditated His Crime Months Ago His Excuses for the Contemplated Act His Participation in the Execution of John Brown. Commissioners of Public Charities and Correct

b. Charles J. Guiteau, who shot President James Garfield, was part of a utopian commune, the Oneida Community, where free love was practiced. Ackerman, “Dark Horse: The Surprise Election and Political Murder of President James A. Garfield,” p.135

c. Leon Czolgosz, who killed President McKinley, was a socialist and anarchist, whose act was instigated by a speech he heard by socialist Emma Goldman. American Experience | Emma Goldman | Transcript | PBS

d. John Schrank, who shot and wounded Teddy Roosevelt in 1912, seemed to have no affiliation other than opposition to a third term. Theodore Roosevelt shot in Milwaukee — History.com This Day in History — 10/14/1912

e. Giuseppe Zangara, who came close to killing President Roosevelt in 1933, (he killed Mayor Cermak) hated the rich and sought to “make even with the capitalists.” Franklin D. Roosevelt Assassination Attempt - FBI Freedom of Information Act Files - Miami Public Pages

f. Lee Harvey Oswald, who shot JFK, had been a communist ever since he read a communist pamphlet about the Rosenbergs.

g. Sirhan Sirhan, who killed Robert Kennedy, was a Palestinian who hated Kennedy’s support of Israel.

h. Arthur Bremer shot George Wallace in 1972, due to Wallace’s support for segregation. Arthur Bremer Biography from Basic Famous People - Biographies of Celebrities and other Famous People Upon his release, Bremer showed no remorse: “ ‘shooting segregationist dinosaurs’ is not like shooting people because ‘they are extinct by act of God.’ This mention of God was the only blemish on Bremer’s otherwise impeccable liberal credentials.” Coulter, “Guilty,” p. 260.

i. Lynette ‘Squeaky’ Fromme, tried to shoot President Ford because she was incensed about the plight of the California redwoods. Gerald Ford Oultived His Obituary Writer

j. Sara Jane Moore also tried to kill President Ford because “the government had declared war on the left.” Interview: Woman Who Tried To Assassinate Ford 1/03/07 | abc7news.com

k. John Hinckley shot President Reagan to impress a girl. The jury found him “not guilty by reason of insanity.” “”…which is as good a definition of liberalism as I’ve heard.” Coulter, “Guilty.” P. 260.

Welcome to the real world, Rinata.



however
throughout the country today
and even here on this message board

we have thousands of CONSERVATIVES stockpiling arms and declaring "we WANT another civil war! we WANT to kill liberals!"

the fact that they haven't done it yet just speaks to their cowardice and NOT their civility.

I won't argue that some of the LEFT are deranged to the point of violence.

but MOST liberals do NOT condone violence and are appalled when it occurs

I have no doubt that you would condone violence perpetrated against hillary or obama

or me....

and would NEVER speak out against it.

you are a deranged and hateful trollop
 
Geez, I almost didn't see the forest for the trees.

Sirhan Sirhan killed Bobby Kennedy, the consummate liberal, because of Kennedy's support for Israel.

PoliticalChic claims liberals don't support Israel.

uh, err, ummmm, liberal Bobby Kennnedy...supported Israel...got killed for it...

What's the next level up from 'daft'? Mental? lolol
 
Geez, I almost didn't see the forest for the trees.

Sirhan Sirhan killed Bobby Kennedy, the consummate liberal, because of Kennedy's support for Israel.

PoliticalChic claims liberals don't support Israel.

uh, err, ummmm, liberal Bobby Kennnedy...supported Israel...got killed for it...


What's the next level up from 'daft'? Mental? lolol

Now now, PC's logic isn't always the best. :lol:
 
My fellow board member, Rinata, disputed this statement; "...you are unaware of the fact that it is the left that is typically and repeatedly responsible for actual violence in our society..."

One of those political themes, supported by the left-wing press, and readily believed by the easily-led, is that political violence is suckled in the bosom of right wing cabals…

Let’s investigate the veracity of this view.

1. The current spin:

a. There are more death threats aimed at President Obama: “At a congressional hearing into the White House security breach that took place last week, when Tareq and Michaele Salahi "crashed" the White House state dinner, Secret Service Director Mark Sullivan said the current threat level against the president is normal.

"The threats right now ... is the same level as it has been for the previous two presidents at this point in their administrations," Sullivan said. Secret Service: Threats Against Obama No Higher than Normal - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

b. McCain-Palin rallies? The Times Leader of Wilkes-Barre, Pa., reports that the Secret Service can find no evidence that anyone shouted “Kill him!” in reference to Barack Obama at a recent Palin event (via Little Green Footballs).
The story was originally reported by a competitor, the Scranton Times-Tribune, which is standing by its reporter, David Singleton:
Mr. Singleton said the remark came from his right, amid booing that followed Mr. Hackett’s mention of Mr. Obama.
“ very distinctly heard, ‘Kill him!’ Male voice,” he said. “It was definitely back in the back.”
Media Nation So what about those death threats?

c. During the Bush presidency, liberals had actually produced books and movies about the fantasy of President Bush being assassinated.

2. Historic review:
every presidential assassin in the history of the nation has been a liberal- or has not been associated with a political outlook- none were right-wingers.

a. John Wilkes Booth was opposed to President Lincoln’s Republican war policies. THE MURDERER OF MR. LINCOLN. - Extraordinary Letter of John Wilkes Booth Proof that He Meditated His Crime Months Ago His Excuses for the Contemplated Act His Participation in the Execution of John Brown. Commissioners of Public Charities and Correct

b. Charles J. Guiteau, who shot President James Garfield, was part of a utopian commune, the Oneida Community, where free love was practiced. Ackerman, “Dark Horse: The Surprise Election and Political Murder of President James A. Garfield,” p.135

c. Leon Czolgosz, who killed President McKinley, was a socialist and anarchist, whose act was instigated by a speech he heard by socialist Emma Goldman. American Experience | Emma Goldman | Transcript | PBS

d. John Schrank, who shot and wounded Teddy Roosevelt in 1912, seemed to have no affiliation other than opposition to a third term. Theodore Roosevelt shot in Milwaukee — History.com This Day in History — 10/14/1912

e. Giuseppe Zangara, who came close to killing President Roosevelt in 1933, (he killed Mayor Cermak) hated the rich and sought to “make even with the capitalists.” Franklin D. Roosevelt Assassination Attempt - FBI Freedom of Information Act Files - Miami Public Pages

f. Lee Harvey Oswald, who shot JFK, had been a communist ever since he read a communist pamphlet about the Rosenbergs.

g. Sirhan Sirhan, who killed Robert Kennedy, was a Palestinian who hated Kennedy’s support of Israel.

h. Arthur Bremer shot George Wallace in 1972, due to Wallace’s support for segregation. Arthur Bremer Biography from Basic Famous People - Biographies of Celebrities and other Famous People Upon his release, Bremer showed no remorse: “ ‘shooting segregationist dinosaurs’ is not like shooting people because ‘they are extinct by act of God.’ This mention of God was the only blemish on Bremer’s otherwise impeccable liberal credentials.” Coulter, “Guilty,” p. 260.

i. Lynette ‘Squeaky’ Fromme, tried to shoot President Ford because she was incensed about the plight of the California redwoods. Gerald Ford Oultived His Obituary Writer

j. Sara Jane Moore also tried to kill President Ford because “the government had declared war on the left.” Interview: Woman Who Tried To Assassinate Ford 1/03/07 | abc7news.com

k. John Hinckley shot President Reagan to impress a girl. The jury found him “not guilty by reason of insanity.” “”…which is as good a definition of liberalism as I’ve heard.” Coulter, “Guilty.” P. 260.

Welcome to the real world, Rinata.



however
throughout the country today
and even here on this message board

we have thousands of CONSERVATIVES stockpiling arms and declaring "we WANT another civil war! we WANT to kill liberals!"

the fact that they haven't done it yet just speaks to their cowardice and NOT their civility.

I won't argue that some of the LEFT are deranged to the point of violence.

but MOST liberals do NOT condone violence and are appalled when it occurs

I have no doubt that you would condone violence perpetrated against hillary or obama

or me....

and would NEVER speak out against it.

you are a deranged and hateful trollop


1. "we have thousands of CONSERVATIVES stockpiling arms and declaring "we WANT another civil war! we WANT to kill liberals!"
Link? Documentation?

2. "speaks to their cowardice and NOT their civility."
Conclusion based on an imaginary scenario; frequently put forth by children, as in 'if I died, you wouldn't care..."

3. "I won't argue that some of the LEFT are deranged to the point of violence."
I'm going to use this on the poster when my OP comes out as a movie.

4. "...but MOST liberals do NOT condone violence and are appalled when it occurs."
Inference based on the same degree of polling as "everyone in the school hates you..."

5. "I have no doubt that you would condone violence perpetrated against hillary or obama

or me...."
Uninformed but never in doubt...could you point to indicia that have shown my acceptance for this sort of violence against a political foe?
No?
Now do you see why your posts are nugatory? Why they count for less than nothing?

6. "deranged and hateful trollop..."
This was your big finish?
I'll accept that you have a long history with prostitutes, and thus the familiarity with the term 'trollop,' and have often heard the term 'deranged,' albeit in connection with your name, but, again, you are unable to point ot any basis for using the terms in connection with mine...

In summary, Rik-O, I can tell that you’ve managed to accumulate your education at bargain rates, and by the installment plan, at that. It seems you’ve missed several installments.
 
Another PC thread where she attempts to smear liberals with guilt by association what a shock!

Hey anyone remember the time she bitched and moaned about liberals attacking them? Gee I wonder why that could be.
 
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Geez, I almost didn't see the forest for the trees.

Sirhan Sirhan killed Bobby Kennedy, the consummate liberal, because of Kennedy's support for Israel.

PoliticalChic claims liberals don't support Israel.

uh, err, ummmm, liberal Bobby Kennnedy...supported Israel...got killed for it...


What's the next level up from 'daft'? Mental? lolol

Now now, PC's logic isn't always the best. :lol:

I eagerly await her response.

And then, as to her claim that supporting Israel is a rightwing position, we can get on to consummate rightwinger Pat Buchanan ridiculing the pro-Israel contingent of Congress as the 'Amen Corner'.
 
heheheh...PC is incapable of seeing beyond the ravings of Coulter.

Well, look at the bright side. Most former Coulter fans have either moved on, or had the decency to shut up. It could be worse. Time was when forums like this were invested with garbage from Ann's fans.

Carby, once again I must thank you for representing the attitude, should I call it fear, in opposition to open debate...

"...had the decency to shut up..."

The left would like nothing better than censoring opposing arguments, and, once again, you have documented the premise.

So "I'm glad they stopped talking" = "I want to censor them"?

Are you on drugs?
 

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