Violence Has It's Home On The Left.

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    My fellow board member, Rinata, disputed this statement; "...you are unaware of the fact that it is the left that is typically and repeatedly responsible for actual violence in our society..."

    One of those political themes, supported by the left-wing press, and readily believed by the easily-led, is that political violence is suckled in the bosom of right wing cabals…

    Let’s investigate the veracity of this view.

    1. The current spin:

    a. There are more death threats aimed at President Obama: “At a congressional hearing into the White House security breach that took place last week, when Tareq and Michaele Salahi "crashed" the White House state dinner, Secret Service Director Mark Sullivan said the current threat level against the president is normal.

    "The threats right now ... is the same level as it has been for the previous two presidents at this point in their administrations," Sullivan said. Secret Service: Threats Against Obama No Higher than Normal - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

    b. McCain-Palin rallies? The Times Leader of Wilkes-Barre, Pa., reports that the Secret Service can find no evidence that anyone shouted “Kill him!” in reference to Barack Obama at a recent Palin event (via Little Green Footballs).
    The story was originally reported by a competitor, the Scranton Times-Tribune, which is standing by its reporter, David Singleton:
    Mr. Singleton said the remark came from his right, amid booing that followed Mr. Hackett’s mention of Mr. Obama.
    “ very distinctly heard, ‘Kill him!’ Male voice,” he said. “It was definitely back in the back.”
    Media Nation So what about those death threats?

    c. During the Bush presidency, liberals had actually produced books and movies about the fantasy of President Bush being assassinated.

    2. Historic review:
    every presidential assassin in the history of the nation has been a liberal- or has not been associated with a political outlook- none were right-wingers.

    a. John Wilkes Booth was opposed to President Lincoln’s Republican war policies. THE MURDERER OF MR. LINCOLN. - Extraordinary Letter of John Wilkes Booth Proof that He Meditated His Crime Months Ago His Excuses for the Contemplated Act His Participation in the Execution of John Brown. Commissioners of Public Charities and Correct

    b. Charles J. Guiteau, who shot President James Garfield, was part of a utopian commune, the Oneida Community, where free love was practiced. Ackerman, “Dark Horse: The Surprise Election and Political Murder of President James A. Garfield,” p.135

    c. Leon Czolgosz, who killed President McKinley, was a socialist and anarchist, whose act was instigated by a speech he heard by socialist Emma Goldman. American Experience | Emma Goldman | Transcript | PBS

    d. John Schrank, who shot and wounded Teddy Roosevelt in 1912, seemed to have no affiliation other than opposition to a third term. Theodore Roosevelt shot in Milwaukee — History.com This Day in History — 10/14/1912

    e. Giuseppe Zangara, who came close to killing President Roosevelt in 1933, (he killed Mayor Cermak) hated the rich and sought to “make even with the capitalists.” Franklin D. Roosevelt Assassination Attempt - FBI Freedom of Information Act Files - Miami Public Pages

    f. Lee Harvey Oswald, who shot JFK, had been a communist ever since he read a communist pamphlet about the Rosenbergs.

    g. Sirhan Sirhan, who killed Robert Kennedy, was a Palestinian who hated Kennedy’s support of Israel.

    h. Arthur Bremer shot George Wallace in 1972, due to Wallace’s support for segregation. Arthur Bremer Biography from Basic Famous People - Biographies of Celebrities and other Famous People Upon his release, Bremer showed no remorse: “ ‘shooting segregationist dinosaurs’ is not like shooting people because ‘they are extinct by act of God.’ This mention of God was the only blemish on Bremer’s otherwise impeccable liberal credentials.” Coulter, “Guilty,” p. 260.

    i. Lynette ‘Squeaky’ Fromme, tried to shoot President Ford because she was incensed about the plight of the California redwoods. Gerald Ford Oultived His Obituary Writer

    j. Sara Jane Moore also tried to kill President Ford because “the government had declared war on the left.” Interview: Woman Who Tried To Assassinate Ford 1/03/07 | abc7news.com

    k. John Hinckley shot President Reagan to impress a girl. The jury found him “not guilty by reason of insanity.” “”…which is as good a definition of liberalism as I’ve heard.” Coulter, “Guilty.” P. 260.

    Welcome to the real world, Rinata.
     
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    But, but, but...Once upon a time someone who watched Fox News did something bad. And a tea partier used a bad word.

    Great post PC.
     
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    Ann Coulter’s Latest Lie - Jamie Malanowski - Topic A, Among Others - True/Slant

     
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    The Violence of Conservatism

    by Jeffrey A. Tucker

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    Ads like this one make me shudder, mainly because I once thought of myself as a conservative (for both good and bad reasons). The ad runs: "3 Conservative Books for $1 each" and examples of such conservative books flash by, all of them screaming for blood, exalting the imperial state, decrying the very basis of civilization (peace), and demanding the jailing of dissidents, and one more: something denouncing Democrats.

    Sean Hannity's Deliver Us From Evil combines chauvinism and sacrilege, PJ O'Rourke's Peace Kills finds humor in slaughter, Ann Coulter's Treason imagines internment as a permanent solution to the problem of political dissent, and there are a hundred other books striking similar things available from the same service.

    All of this can be yours for next-to-nothing down, and only a promise to buy more later should your will to kill fail you as the months pass by.

    So there we have it. The magic of the marketplace, delivering via your computer screen straight to your doorstep, for only a buck, hundreds of pages of the most violent rhetoric put between covers since Progress Publishers collected Stalin's speeches.

    This is conservatism. There's no use in denying it. The war party and American conservatism are interchangeable and inseparable. They are synonyms. The same thing. They co-exist. How many ways can we put it? Militarism and violence is at the core of conservatism.

    Some protest that conservatism once meant resistance to the welfare-warfare state. That is a fascinating piece of historiography, as interesting as the fact that liberalism once meant freedom from the state. Glasses were once called spectacles too, but in our times, language has it own meaning.

    In our times, the meaning of conservatism is violence. It means violence against foreigners and violence against political dissidents. It means celebrating violence as the right and proper method of government policy. It means soundly rejecting the views of those who doubt the merit of violence as the omnipotent tool of domestic and international order.

    Just look at the books, if you can stand it. They are everywhere at the bookstores. Read them and get on the side of the state and its killing machine before the state sides against you. In these tracts we discover that to be conservative is to sit up and face the bloodshed with the courage to celebrate it.

    Indeed, the very meaning of conservatism is to reject all that smarmy liberal stuff about human rights and peace and face the productive power of war and conflict. True morality is embedded in the cold hard steel of tanks, bombers, and prison bars. Government by Democrats should be limited but government by Republicans should be expensive, global, militarized, unchallenged, omnipresent, and if you don't like it, what have you got to hide?

    Organized conservatism dishes out this message to you in a package you prefer. For the illiterate there is talk radio. For geeks, there are innumerable e-zines. For the religiously minded, there is the version with scriptural proof texting and its associated rhetorical apparatus. For those with intellectual pretensions, there are professors of ancient history to tell us that Sparta had the right way about it, and that the Roman Empire at its height might have lasted forever had it not been for weak-kneed Christians that hindered the triumph of the will.

    Oh, and for those who don't go for the rah-rah stuff, and find base nationalism a tad unseemly, there is the contemplative brand of conservatism that requires quiet reflection on higher things, with noses in the air even as the blood rises to the ankles, knees, and hips.

    Whole article - The Violence of Conservatism by Jeffrey A. Tucker
     
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    never underestimate the power of spontaneous mob mentality. people in large groups can go wild, put shortly.
    don't forget, the mob can take over and become violent even when something "good" happens, like a team winning a game.
     
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    1. "..serial liar..." Still the personal attack when you can't rebut the facts....


    2. I gave the source of the statement, Wilke's own words, re: his objection to Lincoln'ws war policy.

    3. Now, if you need a lesson on other-than-presidential violence by the left....
    a. Can we count the SIEU thugs beating a black tea party member in St. Louis?
    b. Malcolm X killed by (left wingers) Black Muslims.
    c. Weather Underground
    d. Black Panthers
    e. Black Liberation Army…
    f. Waverly Brown, killed by liberal ‘revolutionaries’ in the Brinks robbery, 1981
    g. Robert Fassnacht, was a physics post-doctoral researcher who was killed by the bombing of Sterling Hall on August 24, 1970 on the University of Wisconsin–Madison campus… As a protest against the Vietnam War, Robert Fassnacht - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    4."...aiming to counter the idea that President Obama might become vicitm of a right wing assassin, .."
    I showed in the OP that this was a fraudulent claim, and compared same to left wing glee at a Bush assassination.


    5. "...But so what if right wingers haven’t traditionally figured heavily among presidential assassins..."
    Did you realize that you were validating the OP?
     
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    heh the left attacks foxnews relentlessly and fox loves them for it....their ratings are already higher than all the leftwing cheerleading outlets combined...and everytime theres an attack on fox...their ratings go up...BRING IT ON LIBS...lol
     
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    Garbage.

    The mere suggestion that John Wilkes Booth was a liberal destroys any chance that the argument being made will be rational.
     
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    you are very dense. and not in the least sly or clever. continue aping coulter or malkin or whatever pundit you like. you are making the same mistakes they do, and you compound them with your own brand of ineptitude. as always.
     
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    heheheh...PC is incapable of seeing beyond the ravings of Coulter.
     

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