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You call windmills and solar farms cluttering up untold acres of our land as minimal impact?
There is a point when it is functional, as a back up or reserve.
Old Rock isn't talking about using wind as a back up or a reserve. he is advocating a grid that relies on wind and solar period.
Wind power is not even viable without huge government subsidies.
I do believe that solar can be a component of a new grid but i disagree with the so called solar farm concept. There is no need to uglify our natural places with acres of solar panels. And as for wind farms don't forget that to promise their nominal output that 3 times as many windmills will need to be built just to run at capacity therefore three times as much land is uglified.
The solar solution is easy. The government can give tax credits to utility companies that put solar panels on the roofs of every building in their service area. The utility in turn can give a discount to every property owner who allows solar panels to be installed.
There is no need for some multi trillion dollar government project with its multiple layers of bureaucracy red tape and corruption. Get the fucking government out of the way and we'll get more done at a lower cost to everyone.
The government, as usual, is doing this ass backwards. By raising our taxes via Cap and Trade and causing utility prices to "skyrocket" the idiots in Washington will do nothing but strap the people and stifle businesses even more than they are now. All except for the so called green businesses that will need our tax dollars to survive that is.
I do not want to even hear it. God I hate NYC humidity.
There is a point when it is functional, as a back up or reserve.
Old Rock isn't talking about using wind as a back up or a reserve. he is advocating a grid that relies on wind and solar period.
Wind power is not even viable without huge government subsidies.
I do believe that solar can be a component of a new grid but i disagree with the so called solar farm concept. There is no need to uglify our natural places with acres of solar panels. And as for wind farms don't forget that to promise their nominal output that 3 times as many windmills will need to be built just to run at capacity therefore three times as much land is uglified.
The solar solution is easy. The government can give tax credits to utility companies that put solar panels on the roofs of every building in their service area. The utility in turn can give a discount to every property owner who allows solar panels to be installed.
There is no need for some multi trillion dollar government project with its multiple layers of bureaucracy red tape and corruption. Get the fucking government out of the way and we'll get more done at a lower cost to everyone.
The government, as usual, is doing this ass backwards. By raising our taxes via Cap and Trade and causing utility prices to "skyrocket" the idiots in Washington will do nothing but strap the people and stifle businesses even more than they are now. All except for the so called green businesses that will need our tax dollars to survive that is.
I hear you. I wish we did more with temperature change, or ocean current, even tidal. Constant source. I suspect Old Rock likes the thought of having allot of free times on his hands, waiting for the wind to blow. I'm not big on third world unreliability. Do not fuck with my A/C in the summer.
Skull, nuclear has proven itself, through the shortcuts taken by those in the industry, to be very expensive, and dangerous. Until the people within the industry take the steps to prevent problems such as we see at the Vermont facility, it will remain a pariah.
Alternative energy, wind, solar, thermal solar, and geo-thermal are all on a very rapid decrease in costs per kw. All have minimal impact on the environment, and no danger of catastrophic failure. Even better, all spread the profits out. Solar even to the individual home owner.
What we lack to take advantage of the new technology is distributed grid.
You call windmills and solar farms cluttering up untold acres of our land as minimal impact?
Skull, nuclear has proven itself, through the shortcuts taken by those in the industry, to be very expensive, and dangerous. Until the people within the industry take the steps to prevent problems such as we see at the Vermont facility, it will remain a pariah.
Alternative energy, wind, solar, thermal solar, and geo-thermal are all on a very rapid decrease in costs per kw. All have minimal impact on the environment, and no danger of catastrophic failure. Even better, all spread the profits out. Solar even to the individual home owner.
What we lack to take advantage of the new technology is distributed grid.
You call windmills and solar farms cluttering up untold acres of our land as minimal impact?
Every American city has square miles of useable rooftops for solar. As for windmills cluttering up the landscape, much preferable to being unable to see much of the landscape because of pollution from coal fired plants.
Once again, I am not against nuclear, but the Nuclear Industry has to clean up it's act, both in costs, and in safety.
You were saying?
Read it then ....
You cited it so read it... It says "I just don't agree with the liberal way of legislating until the legislation makes enforcement impossible...."
pretty clear to me what i said and what you claimed are not the same at all... you made the claim I am for no regulation or self regulation, and that was not what I said at all...
Now you can make a couple words red all you want but it will not change what I said or its meaning....
You can't have it both ways. You can't complain about the "liberal way of legislating" and then whine about "polarization". That is slightly hypocritical at the very least.
Nuclear energy is one of the few areas where the French run circle around us.
Yeah, I wonder what they do with their waste though... Never hear about it at least i don't...
The French recycle their nuclear waste. Very little is left to store.
There Is No Such Thing as Nuclear Waste - WSJ.com
Yeah, I wonder what they do with their waste though... Never hear about it at least i don't...
The French recycle their nuclear waste. Very little is left to store.
There Is No Such Thing as Nuclear Waste - WSJ.com
Define "very little".
ENVIRONMENT: France's Nuclear Waste Heads to Russia - IPS ipsnews.net
PARIS, Dec 17, 2005 (Tierramérica) - France sends thousands of tonnes of nuclear waste to Russia each year, but the details are shielded by a decree of "national security" in order to block debate on the issue
Skull, nuclear has proven itself, through the shortcuts taken by those in the industry, to be very expensive, and dangerous. Until the people within the industry take the steps to prevent problems such as we see at the Vermont facility, it will remain a pariah.
Alternative energy, wind, solar, thermal solar, and geo-thermal are all on a very rapid decrease in costs per kw. All have minimal impact on the environment, and no danger of catastrophic failure. Even better, all spread the profits out. Solar even to the individual home owner.
What we lack to take advantage of the new technology is distributed grid.
You call windmills and solar farms cluttering up untold acres of our land as minimal impact?
Every American city has square miles of useable rooftops for solar.
As for windmills cluttering up the landscape, much preferable to being unable to see much of the landscape because of pollution from coal fired plants.
The present gaurentee on most solar panels is 25 years, with 40 years a reasonable expectation of real useful life. Even today, with the really cheap panel manufacturing plants just now laying down the concrete for the buildings, there are systems to 5 kw that are grid parallel and cost well under $2 a watt.
Solar Panels from Wholesale Solar Renewable Energy
The big turbines that they are putting up Eastside now cost, per watt, less than building a dirty coal plant, and they have no further fuel costs down the line. Life expectancy is over 20 years, and you just remove the turbine, put a new one in its place, and rebuild, or scrap and salvage the metals in the old one.
Nuclear plants have a limited lifespan, also. And are far more difficult to scrap out.
The present gaurentee on most solar panels is 25 years, with 40 years a reasonable expectation of real useful life. Even today, with the really cheap panel manufacturing plants just now laying down the concrete for the buildings, there are systems to 5 kw that are grid parallel and cost well under $2 a watt.
Solar Panels from Wholesale Solar Renewable Energy
The big turbines that they are putting up Eastside now cost, per watt, less than building a dirty coal plant, and they have no further fuel costs down the line. Life expectancy is over 20 years, and you just remove the turbine, put a new one in its place, and rebuild, or scrap and salvage the metals in the old one.
Nuclear plants have a limited lifespan, also. And are far more difficult to scrap out.
Oregon in top five for wind energy capacity - Sustainable Business Oregon
Oregon is now one of the top five states in the country for wind energy, according to the just-released annual report of the American Wind Energy Association.
Oregon pulled ahead of Minnesota in 2009 and is one of 14 states in the gigawatt club with more than 1,000 megawatts installed according to the associations annual report.
According to the association, U.S. wind energy developers installed more than 10,000 megawatts of new wind power capacity in 2009, the largest year in U.S. history. Thats enough to power the equivalent of 2.4 million homes or generate as much electricity as three large nuclear power plants.
Other Oregon data points from the report include:
Oregon ranks No. 4 for capacity added in 2009. The state added 754 megawatts of wind capacity in 2009, according to the report, enough to power about 190,000 homes. Oregons total installed capacity is 1,821 megawatts.
Portland General Electric is the No. 3 utility in the United States for its use of wind energy.
Oregon gets 6 percent of its energy mix from wind up from 4 percent at the end of 2008 making it the No. 4 state. Wind energy provided 1.8 percent of all U.S. power in 2009. Iowa gets 14 percent of its power from wind energy. The wind industry employed between 2,000 and 3,000 Oregonians in 2009. The association reports that all 50 states had some jobs in wind energy in 2009, with a total of about 85,000 people employed
Link to show where the maintenance costs are significantly higher than the costs of operating a nuclear plant. After all, there is no waste to store or recycle, there is no need for water for coolant, and there is no need to mine and purify anything, let alone radioactive materials.
Link to show where the maintenance costs are significantly higher than the costs of operating a nuclear plant. After all, there is no waste to store or recycle, there is no need for water for coolant, and there is no need to mine and purify anything, let alone radioactive materials.
I well understand the costs of the regulations in any industry. However, even with regulations, the corperations have shown that they will cut corners, and even evade regulations, at any given oppertunity. I wish it were differant, but you have already pointed this out at the Vermont facility.
