CDZ UK Parliament Debates Trump Ban

[Esmeralda]

Donald Trump ban debated in UK Parliament - CNN.com


"London (CNN)For Donald Trump, in politics as in life, it seems the only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about.
But Monday, the Republican presidential candidate is entering unfamiliar territory, even by his larger-than-life standards, as members of the British Parliament hold a debate over a petition calling for the U.S. businessman-turned-politician to be banned from the country."

Please read the entire article.

Some may think it is not important how other countries may view our president, not even our allies, but it is extremely important how our president is percieved on the world stage, especially by our allies.


Open for discussion.

Funny. They are banning him for doing exactly the same thing they are doing to him right now. Think about that one.

It's not the same. You don't know how to think logically. They are not banning all Americans, only those who engage in hate speech. Their country has different laws than ours. People are not allowed to engage in hate speech there.

If they were banning all Americans, like he wants to ban all Muslims, it would be the same. See? It isn't the same.

They banned Michael Savage from entering the UK because of hate speech. "critics have characterized them as "fostering extremism or hatred....Since 2009, Savage has been barred from entering the United Kingdom, for allegedly "seeking to provoke others to serious criminal acts and fostering hatred" Michael Savage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If they were discussing banning all Americans or all conservatives, it might be the same as Trump wanting to ban all Muslims. But they aren't and it isn't.

 

[Correll]

Donald Trump ban debated in UK Parliament - CNN.com


"London (CNN)For Donald Trump, in politics as in life, it seems the only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about.
But Monday, the Republican presidential candidate is entering unfamiliar territory, even by his larger-than-life standards, as members of the British Parliament hold a debate over a petition calling for the U.S. businessman-turned-politician to be banned from the country."

Please read the entire article.

Some may think it is not important how other countries may view our president, not even our allies, but it is extremely important how our president is percieved on the world stage, especially by our allies.


Open for discussion.

Funny. They are banning him for doing exactly the same thing they are doing to him right now. Think about that one.

It's not the same. You don't know how to think logically. They are not banning all Americans, only those who engage in hate speech. Their country has different laws than ours. People are not allowed to engage in hate speech there.

If they were banning all Americans, like he wants to ban all Muslims, it would be the same. See? It isn't the same.

Your point is valid. THey are not doing the exact same as what Trump calls for.


ON the other hand, what they are doing it trying to suppress speech that challenges the Conventional Wisdom there, that is Political Correctness.

NOt Hate Speech, that's bullshit.

ANd they need to, because PC is causing horrible damage over there. They cannot defend their policies on their merits.

They really need to shut down any serious and honest discussion if they want to maintain their control.

 

[Esmeralda]

Donald Trump ban debated in UK Parliament - CNN.com


"London (CNN)For Donald Trump, in politics as in life, it seems the only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about.
But Monday, the Republican presidential candidate is entering unfamiliar territory, even by his larger-than-life standards, as members of the British Parliament hold a debate over a petition calling for the U.S. businessman-turned-politician to be banned from the country."

Please read the entire article.

Some may think it is not important how other countries may view our president, not even our allies, but it is extremely important how our president is percieved on the world stage, especially by our allies.


Open for discussion.

Funny. They are banning him for doing exactly the same thing they are doing to him right now. Think about that one.

It's not the same. You don't know how to think logically. They are not banning all Americans, only those who engage in hate speech. Their country has different laws than ours. People are not allowed to engage in hate speech there.

If they were banning all Americans, like he wants to ban all Muslims, it would be the same. See? It isn't the same.

Your point is valid. THey are not doing the exact same as what Trump calls for.


ON the other hand, what they are doing it trying to suppress speech that challenges the Conventional Wisdom there, that is Political Correctness.

NOt Hate Speech, that's bullshit.

ANd they need to, because PC is causing horrible damage over there. They cannot defend their policies on their merits.

They really need to shut down any serious and honest discussion if they want to maintain their control.

It's their country and their laws regarding hate speech. You haven't got a thing to say about it because it is not your country. If you don't like it, don't go to the UK.

Your perspective about 'hate speech' is yours. It isn't 'conventional wisdom;' it is your opinion. Not everyone sees reality as you do. It's not your country, your laws, your culture, so get over it. Don't go there, don't live there, don't be a Brit, etc.

 

[Correll]

Donald Trump ban debated in UK Parliament - CNN.com


"London (CNN)For Donald Trump, in politics as in life, it seems the only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about.
But Monday, the Republican presidential candidate is entering unfamiliar territory, even by his larger-than-life standards, as members of the British Parliament hold a debate over a petition calling for the U.S. businessman-turned-politician to be banned from the country."

Please read the entire article.

Some may think it is not important how other countries may view our president, not even our allies, but it is extremely important how our president is percieved on the world stage, especially by our allies.


Open for discussion.

Funny. They are banning him for doing exactly the same thing they are doing to him right now. Think about that one.

It's not the same. You don't know how to think logically. They are not banning all Americans, only those who engage in hate speech. Their country has different laws than ours. People are not allowed to engage in hate speech there.

If they were banning all Americans, like he wants to ban all Muslims, it would be the same. See? It isn't the same.

Your point is valid. THey are not doing the exact same as what Trump calls for.


ON the other hand, what they are doing it trying to suppress speech that challenges the Conventional Wisdom there, that is Political Correctness.

NOt Hate Speech, that's bullshit.

ANd they need to, because PC is causing horrible damage over there. They cannot defend their policies on their merits.

They really need to shut down any serious and honest discussion if they want to maintain their control.

It's their country and their laws regarding hate speech. You haven't got a thing to say about it because it is now your country. If you don't like it, don't go to the UK.

Your perspective about 'hate speech' is yours. It isn't 'conventional wisdom;' it is your opinion. Not everyone sees reality as you do. It's not your country, your laws, your culture, so get over it. Don't go there, don't live there, don't be a Brit, etc.

You stated that they were banning Trump because of Hate Speech.

I disagreed.

NOthing in your post defended your claim.

 

[Esmeralda]

Donald Trump ban debated in UK Parliament - CNN.com


"London (CNN)For Donald Trump, in politics as in life, it seems the only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about.
But Monday, the Republican presidential candidate is entering unfamiliar territory, even by his larger-than-life standards, as members of the British Parliament hold a debate over a petition calling for the U.S. businessman-turned-politician to be banned from the country."

Please read the entire article.

Some may think it is not important how other countries may view our president, not even our allies, but it is extremely important how our president is percieved on the world stage, especially by our allies.


Open for discussion.

Funny. They are banning him for doing exactly the same thing they are doing to him right now. Think about that one.

It's not the same. You don't know how to think logically. They are not banning all Americans, only those who engage in hate speech. Their country has different laws than ours. People are not allowed to engage in hate speech there.

If they were banning all Americans, like he wants to ban all Muslims, it would be the same. See? It isn't the same.

Your point is valid. THey are not doing the exact same as what Trump calls for.


ON the other hand, what they are doing it trying to suppress speech that challenges the Conventional Wisdom there, that is Political Correctness.

NOt Hate Speech, that's bullshit.

ANd they need to, because PC is causing horrible damage over there. They cannot defend their policies on their merits.

They really need to shut down any serious and honest discussion if they want to maintain their control.

It's their country and their laws regarding hate speech. You haven't got a thing to say about it because it is now your country. If you don't like it, don't go to the UK.

Your perspective about 'hate speech' is yours. It isn't 'conventional wisdom;' it is your opinion. Not everyone sees reality as you do. It's not your country, your laws, your culture, so get over it. Don't go there, don't live there, don't be a Brit, etc.

You stated that they were banning Trump because of Hate Speech.

I disagreed.

NOthing in your post defended your claim.

Read the article. What do you think are banning him for?

 

[Western Empire]

Donald Trump ban debated in UK Parliament - CNN.com


"London (CNN)For Donald Trump, in politics as in life, it seems the only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about.
But Monday, the Republican presidential candidate is entering unfamiliar territory, even by his larger-than-life standards, as members of the British Parliament hold a debate over a petition calling for the U.S. businessman-turned-politician to be banned from the country."

Please read the entire article.

Some may think it is not important how other countries may view our president, not even our allies, but it is extremely important how our president is percieved on the world stage, especially by our allies.


Open for discussion.

Funny. They are banning him for doing exactly the same thing they are doing to him right now. Think about that one.

It's not the same. You don't know how to think logically. They are not banning all Americans, only those who engage in hate speech. Their country has different laws than ours. People are not allowed to engage in hate speech there.

If they were banning all Americans, like he wants to ban all Muslims, it would be the same. See? It isn't the same.

Your point is valid. THey are not doing the exact same as what Trump calls for.


ON the other hand, what they are doing it trying to suppress speech that challenges the Conventional Wisdom there, that is Political Correctness.

NOt Hate Speech, that's bullshit.

ANd they need to, because PC is causing horrible damage over there. They cannot defend their policies on their merits.

They really need to shut down any serious and honest discussion if they want to maintain their control.

Couldn't agree more.

 

[Western Empire]

Donald Trump ban debated in UK Parliament - CNN.com


"London (CNN)For Donald Trump, in politics as in life, it seems the only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about.
But Monday, the Republican presidential candidate is entering unfamiliar territory, even by his larger-than-life standards, as members of the British Parliament hold a debate over a petition calling for the U.S. businessman-turned-politician to be banned from the country."

Please read the entire article.

Some may think it is not important how other countries may view our president, not even our allies, but it is extremely important how our president is percieved on the world stage, especially by our allies.


Open for discussion.

Funny. They are banning him for doing exactly the same thing they are doing to him right now. Think about that one.

It's not the same. You don't know how to think logically. They are not banning all Americans, only those who engage in hate speech. Their country has different laws than ours. People are not allowed to engage in hate speech there.

If they were banning all Americans, like he wants to ban all Muslims, it would be the same. See? It isn't the same.

They banned Michael Savage from entering the UK because of hate speech. "critics have characterized them as "fostering extremism or hatred....Since 2009, Savage has been barred from entering the United Kingdom, for allegedly "seeking to provoke others to serious criminal acts and fostering hatred" Michael Savage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If they were discussing banning all Americans or all conservatives, it might be the same as Trump wanting to ban all Muslims. But they aren't and it isn't.

What about the refugees they accept that openly practice Sharia law? Is this not hate? Oppression on woman? An attack on freedom? Teachings of hatred toward western civilization? Maybe your point toward my statement is valid yes, but I am not the one who needs a lesson on logic. Let in people who have practiced hate openly, but ban people who make a controversial statement. Seems priorities are a little bit one sided to me.

 

[Correll]

Funny. They are banning him for doing exactly the same thing they are doing to him right now. Think about that one.

It's not the same. You don't know how to think logically. They are not banning all Americans, only those who engage in hate speech. Their country has different laws than ours. People are not allowed to engage in hate speech there.

If they were banning all Americans, like he wants to ban all Muslims, it would be the same. See? It isn't the same.

Your point is valid. THey are not doing the exact same as what Trump calls for.


ON the other hand, what they are doing it trying to suppress speech that challenges the Conventional Wisdom there, that is Political Correctness.

NOt Hate Speech, that's bullshit.

ANd they need to, because PC is causing horrible damage over there. They cannot defend their policies on their merits.

They really need to shut down any serious and honest discussion if they want to maintain their control.

It's their country and their laws regarding hate speech. You haven't got a thing to say about it because it is now your country. If you don't like it, don't go to the UK.

Your perspective about 'hate speech' is yours. It isn't 'conventional wisdom;' it is your opinion. Not everyone sees reality as you do. It's not your country, your laws, your culture, so get over it. Don't go there, don't live there, don't be a Brit, etc.

You stated that they were banning Trump because of Hate Speech.

I disagreed.

NOthing in your post defended your claim.

Read the article. What do you think are banning him for?

I already told you, in the post you responded to .

Here it is again.

ON the other hand, what they are doing it trying to suppress speech that challenges the Conventional Wisdom there, that is Political Correctness.

NOt Hate Speech, that's bullshit.

ANd they need to, because PC is causing horrible damage over there. They cannot defend their policies on their merits.

They really need to shut down any serious and honest discussion if they want to maintain their control

 

[Correll]

Donald Trump ban debated in UK Parliament - CNN.com


"London (CNN)For Donald Trump, in politics as in life, it seems the only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about.
But Monday, the Republican presidential candidate is entering unfamiliar territory, even by his larger-than-life standards, as members of the British Parliament hold a debate over a petition calling for the U.S. businessman-turned-politician to be banned from the country."

Please read the entire article.

Some may think it is not important how other countries may view our president, not even our allies, but it is extremely important how our president is percieved on the world stage, especially by our allies.


Open for discussion.

Funny. They are banning him for doing exactly the same thing they are doing to him right now. Think about that one.

It's not the same. You don't know how to think logically. They are not banning all Americans, only those who engage in hate speech. Their country has different laws than ours. People are not allowed to engage in hate speech there.

If they were banning all Americans, like he wants to ban all Muslims, it would be the same. See? It isn't the same.

They banned Michael Savage from entering the UK because of hate speech. "critics have characterized them as "fostering extremism or hatred....Since 2009, Savage has been barred from entering the United Kingdom, for allegedly "seeking to provoke others to serious criminal acts and fostering hatred" Michael Savage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If they were discussing banning all Americans or all conservatives, it might be the same as Trump wanting to ban all Muslims. But they aren't and it isn't.

What about the refugees they accept that openly practice Sharia law? Is this not hate? Oppression on woman? An attack on freedom? Teachings of hatred toward western civilization? Maybe your point toward my statement is valid yes, but I am not the one who needs a lesson on logic. Let in people who have practiced hate openly, but ban people who make a controversial statement. Seems priorities are a little bit one sided to me.

What about this?

Rotherham child sexual exploitation scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Widespread organised child sexual abuse took place in Rotherham, South Yorkshire, England, between 1997 and 2013. Local investigations into the abuse began in 1999, although some reports were never finalised or made public by the authorities.[1] In 2010, five men of Pakistani heritage were found guilty of a series of sexual offences against girls as young as twelve.[2] A subsequent investigation by The Times reported that the child sex exploitation was much more widespread, and the Home Affairs Select Committee criticised the South Yorkshire Police force and Rotherham Metropolitan Borough Council for their handling of the abuse.
An independent inquiry into child sexual abuse in the town, led by Professor Alexis Jay, was established in 2013 for Rotherham Council.[3] The inquiry's initial report, published on 26 August 2014, condemned the failure of the authorities in Rotherham to act effectively against the abuse and even, in some cases, to acknowledge that it was taking place.[4][5][6] It conservatively estimated that 1,400 children had been sexually abused in the town between 1997 and 2013, predominantly by gangs of British-Pakistani men.[7] Abuses described by the report included abduction, rape, torture and sex trafficking of children.[6]
Members of the British-Pakistani community condemned both the sexual abuse and the fact that it had been covered up for fear of "giving oxygen" to racism.

At the bottom of the article are links to 9 similar scandals in the UK.

 

[Flopper]

Assuming it's true that he said that and meant it as you've stated, it's just one more of the utterly stupid and unimplementable policies Mr. Trump has articulated.

Truly, it doesn't even make sense that, banned from the UK or not, Mr. Trump would put an end to the deals he's got in the works to invest in resorts in Scotland. The whole business purpose for such an investment is for Mr. Trump to make money. Scotland (assuming as a nation that it cares) can find someone else to build a resort where Mr. Trump/Trump Organization will if he/it doesn't withdraw from doing so. Nobody invests 200 million pounds into something without expecting to get a return a good deal greater than 200 million pounds. It'd be different were he donating that sum to a charity, but he's not.

The problem is that he he didn't say that at all. He said that he would pull his own investments. And that action does make sense. You invest to make money - the ability to manage a venture like that would be hindered if he were not even allowed in the country. It would also speak to the ability to run a successful venture that bore your name if you were legally barred from the country.

Do you not think that the very sentiment that action would send would place a rather big question on the venture itself to make money?

That may also hold true for Muslim businessmen Trump plans to band from the US such as Alwaleed Bin Tahal who is the largest stockholder in Citigroup and Khalid A. Al-Falih, Charman of the Board of the giant Saudi Aramco who owns or controls dozens of large US Corporations, and Sovereign Wealth Funds in six Persian Gulf countries with 1/4 of their 1.7 trillion dollars invested in the US companies.

Your point?

The point is that if America strikes out against millions of Muslims world wide, the vast majority of which mean us no harm, there will be consequences. Those consequences may be financial, diplomatic, or increased terrorism against the US at home and abroad but there will be consequences.

What Americans should understand is that lashing out against all Muslims because of the actions of a few is what Al Qaeda, ISIS, and every Islamic terrorist organization want. They need confirmation for their propaganda, that America hates Islam and is the enemy of every Muslim.

How is being selective about who you allow into your country lashing out? It's up to the President and other leaders to protect their countrymen against people coming here to do us harm. True, not all Muslims fit that category, but a sizable percentage of them certainly do. Besides, Hollande in France, and Merkle in Germany, certainly didn't lash out at Muslims and actually invited them in with open arms, and look what happened in Paris and Cologne, for example. Nobody but the leaders of a country can protect their people. Trump is he only candidate who addresses this issue.

There is nothing wrong with being selective in immigration policy as long as the policy is built on facts, not fear, propaganda, and politics. Over 740,000 refugees have been admitted to the US since 911 and none have perpetrated a terrorist attack in the US. There have been only two arrest and neither participated in a terrorist attack. The fact is legal immigrants to the US are less likely to commit crimes than the general population and refuges are less likely to commit crimes than other immigrants. Linking all Muslims to terrorism doesn't increase national security-- It makes us less safe.

The Mythical Connection Between Immigrants and Crime
Of 745,000 Refugees Admitted Post-9/11, Only Two Were Charged With Terrorism-Related Crimes

"If your intention is to stop terrorism, do not try to blame the whole population of Muslims for it, because [that] cannot stop terrorism. It will radicalize more terrorists."
Malala Yousafzai, a victim of Islamic terrorism and a Nobel Prize Laureate.

 

[320 Years of History]

Those unfortunately, Esmeralda, are the forces one quite often is up against in this forum.

 

[Esmeralda]

Donald Trump ban debated in UK Parliament - CNN.com


"London (CNN)For Donald Trump, in politics as in life, it seems the only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about.
But Monday, the Republican presidential candidate is entering unfamiliar territory, even by his larger-than-life standards, as members of the British Parliament hold a debate over a petition calling for the U.S. businessman-turned-politician to be banned from the country."

Please read the entire article.

Some may think it is not important how other countries may view our president, not even our allies, but it is extremely important how our president is percieved on the world stage, especially by our allies.


Open for discussion.

Funny. They are banning him for doing exactly the same thing they are doing to him right now. Think about that one.

It's not the same. You don't know how to think logically. They are not banning all Americans, only those who engage in hate speech. Their country has different laws than ours. People are not allowed to engage in hate speech there.

If they were banning all Americans, like he wants to ban all Muslims, it would be the same. See? It isn't the same.

They banned Michael Savage from entering the UK because of hate speech. "critics have characterized them as "fostering extremism or hatred....Since 2009, Savage has been barred from entering the United Kingdom, for allegedly "seeking to provoke others to serious criminal acts and fostering hatred" Michael Savage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If they were discussing banning all Americans or all conservatives, it might be the same as Trump wanting to ban all Muslims. But they aren't and it isn't.

What about the refugees they accept that openly practice Sharia law? Is this not hate? Oppression on woman? An attack on freedom? Teachings of hatred toward western civilization? Maybe your point toward my statement is valid yes, but I am not the one who needs a lesson on logic. Let in people who have practiced hate openly, but ban people who make a controversial statement. Seems priorities are a little bit one sided to me.

You don't really know anything about sharia law, that's obvious. You may disagree with it, but it isn't about hatred or oppression of women; it's just a different perspective. I don't agree with it either, but not because it is based in hate or oppression; it is archaic--for the most part, that's the problem with it.

As well, the vast majority of the 1.6 billion Muslims in the world do not practice full sharia law; those who practice sharia law only practice some of it. And, the vast majority of Muslim countries in the world don't practice full sharia law; in fact, only one or two actualy do.

The sad thing about posts like yours, and people with ideas like yours, is that you are not informed and generally what you do know about Islam is not correct. You are basing your opionions on things that are not true.

Of the people who may be Muslim and want to immigrate t o the US, only a tiny minority are interested in living by full sharia law and within that number, even less, far less, expect the US laws to be changed to sharia laws. Believing so shows that you believe in anti-Islam, anti-Muslim propaganda, not the truth or reality. Sharia law does not have anything thing to do with being against the West or Western Civilization, and people who hate the West and Western Civilization are not immigrating to the West.

It's funny and ironic that you say we shouldn't let in people who practice hate openly when that is what you are doing and that is what the anti-Islam propaganda is doing. You hate and fear all Muslims when only a miniscule minority are actually terrorists or would be someone you should fear and hate.

 

[Correll]

Donald Trump ban debated in UK Parliament - CNN.com


"London (CNN)For Donald Trump, in politics as in life, it seems the only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about.
But Monday, the Republican presidential candidate is entering unfamiliar territory, even by his larger-than-life standards, as members of the British Parliament hold a debate over a petition calling for the U.S. businessman-turned-politician to be banned from the country."

Please read the entire article.

Some may think it is not important how other countries may view our president, not even our allies, but it is extremely important how our president is percieved on the world stage, especially by our allies.


Open for discussion.

Funny. They are banning him for doing exactly the same thing they are doing to him right now. Think about that one.

It's not the same. You don't know how to think logically. They are not banning all Americans, only those who engage in hate speech. Their country has different laws than ours. People are not allowed to engage in hate speech there.

If they were banning all Americans, like he wants to ban all Muslims, it would be the same. See? It isn't the same.

They banned Michael Savage from entering the UK because of hate speech. "critics have characterized them as "fostering extremism or hatred....Since 2009, Savage has been barred from entering the United Kingdom, for allegedly "seeking to provoke others to serious criminal acts and fostering hatred" Michael Savage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If they were discussing banning all Americans or all conservatives, it might be the same as Trump wanting to ban all Muslims. But they aren't and it isn't.

What about the refugees they accept that openly practice Sharia law? Is this not hate? Oppression on woman? An attack on freedom? Teachings of hatred toward western civilization? Maybe your point toward my statement is valid yes, but I am not the one who needs a lesson on logic. Let in people who have practiced hate openly, but ban people who make a controversial statement. Seems priorities are a little bit one sided to me.

You don't really know anything about sharia law, that's obvious. You may disagree with it, but it isn't about hatred or oppression of women; it's just a different perspective. I don't agree with it either, but it isn't based in hate or oppression. The vast majority of the 1.6 billion Muslims in the world do not practice full sharia law, only some of it. The vast majority of Muslim countries in the world don't practice full sharia law; in fact, only one or two actualy do. The sad thing about posts like yours, and people with ideas like yours,, is that you are not informed and generally what you do know about Islam is not correct. You are basing your opionions on things that are not true.

Of the people who may be Muslim and want to immigrate t o the US, only a tiny minority are interested in living by full sharia law and within that number, even less, far less, expect the US laws to be changed to sharia laws. Believing so shows that you believe in anti-Islam, anti-Muslim propaganda, not the truth or reality. Sharia law does not have anything thing to do with being against the West or Western Civilization, and people who hate the West and Western Civilization are not immigrating to the West.

It's funny and ironic that you say we shouldn't let in people who practice hate openly when that is what you are doing and that is what the anti-Islam propaganda is doing. You hate and fear all Muslims when only a miniscule minority are actually terrorists or would be someone you should fear and hate.

Only a tiny numbers may support Sharia Law, and only a small percentage might be actual criminals, such as rapists or honor murderers, and only a small percentage might assault women in public, and only a small percentage might vandalize jewish graves, and only a small percentage might beat their wives, and only a small percentage might....

But a lot of them support the cultural memes that lead to those actions and all those different crappy behaviors add up, and those memes will contribute to making our future cultural fusion shittier.

 

[Esmeralda]

It's not the same. You don't know how to think logically. They are not banning all Americans, only those who engage in hate speech. Their country has different laws than ours. People are not allowed to engage in hate speech there.

If they were banning all Americans, like he wants to ban all Muslims, it would be the same. See? It isn't the same.

Your point is valid. THey are not doing the exact same as what Trump calls for.


ON the other hand, what they are doing it trying to suppress speech that challenges the Conventional Wisdom there, that is Political Correctness.

NOt Hate Speech, that's bullshit.

ANd they need to, because PC is causing horrible damage over there. They cannot defend their policies on their merits.

They really need to shut down any serious and honest discussion if they want to maintain their control.

It's their country and their laws regarding hate speech. You haven't got a thing to say about it because it is now your country. If you don't like it, don't go to the UK.

Your perspective about 'hate speech' is yours. It isn't 'conventional wisdom;' it is your opinion. Not everyone sees reality as you do. It's not your country, your laws, your culture, so get over it. Don't go there, don't live there, don't be a Brit, etc.

You stated that they were banning Trump because of Hate Speech.

I disagreed.

NOthing in your post defended your claim.

Read the article. What do you think are banning him for?

I already told you, in the post you responded to .

Here it is again.

ON the other hand, what they are doing it trying to suppress speech that challenges the Conventional Wisdom there, that is Political Correctness.

NOt Hate Speech, that's bullshit.

ANd they need to, because PC is causing horrible damage over there. They cannot defend their policies on their merits.

They really need to shut down any serious and honest discussion if they want to maintain their control

They are not suppressing speech that 'challenges conventional wisdom.' The laws against hate speech there may be different than ours. That's their privilage. If you don't like the laws and customs in the UK, don't live there or visit there. Otherwise, it is not up to you to dictate how they deal with political and social issues. NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.

The concept of 'conventional wisdom' challenges itself. There is no such thing. What is true for one culture is not true for another. Your world view is yours, not the correct one. There are no absolutes in values, morals, ethics, social and reliigious belief. So called 'conventional wisdom' is a moral value, not a fact.

 

[Esmeralda]

Donald Trump ban debated in UK Parliament - CNN.com


"London (CNN)For Donald Trump, in politics as in life, it seems the only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about.
But Monday, the Republican presidential candidate is entering unfamiliar territory, even by his larger-than-life standards, as members of the British Parliament hold a debate over a petition calling for the U.S. businessman-turned-politician to be banned from the country."

Please read the entire article.

Some may think it is not important how other countries may view our president, not even our allies, but it is extremely important how our president is percieved on the world stage, especially by our allies.


Open for discussion.

Funny. They are banning him for doing exactly the same thing they are doing to him right now. Think about that one.

It's not the same. You don't know how to think logically. They are not banning all Americans, only those who engage in hate speech. Their country has different laws than ours. People are not allowed to engage in hate speech there.

If they were banning all Americans, like he wants to ban all Muslims, it would be the same. See? It isn't the same.

They banned Michael Savage from entering the UK because of hate speech. "critics have characterized them as "fostering extremism or hatred....Since 2009, Savage has been barred from entering the United Kingdom, for allegedly "seeking to provoke others to serious criminal acts and fostering hatred" Michael Savage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If they were discussing banning all Americans or all conservatives, it might be the same as Trump wanting to ban all Muslims. But they aren't and it isn't.

What about the refugees they accept that openly practice Sharia law? Is this not hate? Oppression on woman? An attack on freedom? Teachings of hatred toward western civilization? Maybe your point toward my statement is valid yes, but I am not the one who needs a lesson on logic. Let in people who have practiced hate openly, but ban people who make a controversial statement. Seems priorities are a little bit one sided to me.

You don't really know anything about sharia law, that's obvious. You may disagree with it, but it isn't about hatred or oppression of women; it's just a different perspective. I don't agree with it either, but it isn't based in hate or oppression. The vast majority of the 1.6 billion Muslims in the world do not practice full sharia law, only some of it. The vast majority of Muslim countries in the world don't practice full sharia law; in fact, only one or two actualy do. The sad thing about posts like yours, and people with ideas like yours,, is that you are not informed and generally what you do know about Islam is not correct. You are basing your opionions on things that are not true.

Of the people who may be Muslim and want to immigrate t o the US, only a tiny minority are interested in living by full sharia law and within that number, even less, far less, expect the US laws to be changed to sharia laws. Believing so shows that you believe in anti-Islam, anti-Muslim propaganda, not the truth or reality. Sharia law does not have anything thing to do with being against the West or Western Civilization, and people who hate the West and Western Civilization are not immigrating to the West.

It's funny and ironic that you say we shouldn't let in people who practice hate openly when that is what you are doing and that is what the anti-Islam propaganda is doing. You hate and fear all Muslims when only a miniscule minority are actually terrorists or would be someone you should fear and hate.

Only a tiny numbers may support Sharia Law, and only a small percentage might be actual criminals, such as rapists or honor murderers, and only a small percentage might assault women in public, and only a small percentage might vandalize jewish graves, and only a small percentage might beat their wives, and only a small percentage might....

But a lot of them support the cultural memes that lead to those actions and all those different crappy behaviors add up, and those memes will contribute to making our future cultural fusion shittier.

BS What you don't understand is that you have been fed and accepted a ton of propaganda. Regarding the huge vast majority of Muslims who are immigrants to the West or who are staying in there own countries is that you have nothing to fear from them. Propaganda tells you otherwise, but it isn't true. You are being manipulated by propaganda.

 

[Correll]

Your point is valid. THey are not doing the exact same as what Trump calls for.


ON the other hand, what they are doing it trying to suppress speech that challenges the Conventional Wisdom there, that is Political Correctness.

NOt Hate Speech, that's bullshit.

ANd they need to, because PC is causing horrible damage over there. They cannot defend their policies on their merits.

They really need to shut down any serious and honest discussion if they want to maintain their control.

It's their country and their laws regarding hate speech. You haven't got a thing to say about it because it is now your country. If you don't like it, don't go to the UK.

Your perspective about 'hate speech' is yours. It isn't 'conventional wisdom;' it is your opinion. Not everyone sees reality as you do. It's not your country, your laws, your culture, so get over it. Don't go there, don't live there, don't be a Brit, etc.

You stated that they were banning Trump because of Hate Speech.

I disagreed.

NOthing in your post defended your claim.

Read the article. What do you think are banning him for?

I already told you, in the post you responded to .

Here it is again.

ON the other hand, what they are doing it trying to suppress speech that challenges the Conventional Wisdom there, that is Political Correctness.

NOt Hate Speech, that's bullshit.

ANd they need to, because PC is causing horrible damage over there. They cannot defend their policies on their merits.

They really need to shut down any serious and honest discussion if they want to maintain their control

They are not suppressing speech that 'challenges conventional wisdom. The laws against hate speech there may be different than ours. That's their privilage. If you don't like the laws and customs in the UK, don't live there or visit there. Otherwise, it is not up to you to dictate how they deal with political and social issues. NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.

I'm not claiming the Authority to tell them what to do. D'uh.

I am criticizing what they are doing, and pointing out the real reason they are doing it, not their bullshit excuse.

Are you fully aware of the Rape Ring Scandals they have had due to Political Correctness?


As they are doing to this to make a statement about an American Political Candidate, it is completely MY FUCKING BUSINESS.

 

[Correll]

Funny. They are banning him for doing exactly the same thing they are doing to him right now. Think about that one.

It's not the same. You don't know how to think logically. They are not banning all Americans, only those who engage in hate speech. Their country has different laws than ours. People are not allowed to engage in hate speech there.

If they were banning all Americans, like he wants to ban all Muslims, it would be the same. See? It isn't the same.

They banned Michael Savage from entering the UK because of hate speech. "critics have characterized them as "fostering extremism or hatred....Since 2009, Savage has been barred from entering the United Kingdom, for allegedly "seeking to provoke others to serious criminal acts and fostering hatred" Michael Savage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If they were discussing banning all Americans or all conservatives, it might be the same as Trump wanting to ban all Muslims. But they aren't and it isn't.

What about the refugees they accept that openly practice Sharia law? Is this not hate? Oppression on woman? An attack on freedom? Teachings of hatred toward western civilization? Maybe your point toward my statement is valid yes, but I am not the one who needs a lesson on logic. Let in people who have practiced hate openly, but ban people who make a controversial statement. Seems priorities are a little bit one sided to me.

You don't really know anything about sharia law, that's obvious. You may disagree with it, but it isn't about hatred or oppression of women; it's just a different perspective. I don't agree with it either, but it isn't based in hate or oppression. The vast majority of the 1.6 billion Muslims in the world do not practice full sharia law, only some of it. The vast majority of Muslim countries in the world don't practice full sharia law; in fact, only one or two actualy do. The sad thing about posts like yours, and people with ideas like yours,, is that you are not informed and generally what you do know about Islam is not correct. You are basing your opionions on things that are not true.

Of the people who may be Muslim and want to immigrate t o the US, only a tiny minority are interested in living by full sharia law and within that number, even less, far less, expect the US laws to be changed to sharia laws. Believing so shows that you believe in anti-Islam, anti-Muslim propaganda, not the truth or reality. Sharia law does not have anything thing to do with being against the West or Western Civilization, and people who hate the West and Western Civilization are not immigrating to the West.

It's funny and ironic that you say we shouldn't let in people who practice hate openly when that is what you are doing and that is what the anti-Islam propaganda is doing. You hate and fear all Muslims when only a miniscule minority are actually terrorists or would be someone you should fear and hate.

Only a tiny numbers may support Sharia Law, and only a small percentage might be actual criminals, such as rapists or honor murderers, and only a small percentage might assault women in public, and only a small percentage might vandalize jewish graves, and only a small percentage might beat their wives, and only a small percentage might....

But a lot of them support the cultural memes that lead to those actions and all those different crappy behaviors add up, and those memes will contribute to making our future cultural fusion shittier.

BS What you don't understand is that you have been fed and accepted a ton of propaganda. Regarding the huge vast majority of Muslims who are immigrants to the West or who are staying in there own countries is that you have nothing to fear from them. Propaganda tells you otherwise, but it isn't true. You are being manipulated by propaganda.

Tell it to the children of Rotherham.

Tell it tot the women of Cologne.

 

[Esmeralda]

It's their country and their laws regarding hate speech. You haven't got a thing to say about it because it is now your country. If you don't like it, don't go to the UK.

Your perspective about 'hate speech' is yours. It isn't 'conventional wisdom;' it is your opinion. Not everyone sees reality as you do. It's not your country, your laws, your culture, so get over it. Don't go there, don't live there, don't be a Brit, etc.

You stated that they were banning Trump because of Hate Speech.

I disagreed.

NOthing in your post defended your claim.

Read the article. What do you think are banning him for?

I already told you, in the post you responded to .

Here it is again.

ON the other hand, what they are doing it trying to suppress speech that challenges the Conventional Wisdom there, that is Political Correctness.

NOt Hate Speech, that's bullshit.

ANd they need to, because PC is causing horrible damage over there. They cannot defend their policies on their merits.

They really need to shut down any serious and honest discussion if they want to maintain their control

They are not suppressing speech that 'challenges conventional wisdom. The laws against hate speech there may be different than ours. That's their privilage. If you don't like the laws and customs in the UK, don't live there or visit there. Otherwise, it is not up to you to dictate how they deal with political and social issues. NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.

I'm not claiming the Authority to tell them what to do. D'uh.

I am criticizing what they are doing, and pointing out the real reason they are doing it, not their bullshit excuse.

Are you fully aware of the Rape Ring Scandals they have had due to Political Correctness?


As they are doing to this to make a statement about an American Political Candidate, it is completely MY FUCKING BUSINESS.

Violence against women doesn't exist in the US? Women in the US are terrorized, brutalized and murdered daily by their partners. One in 4 women in the US experience domestic abuse. Practically every moment in the US a woman dies because of violence against her by a spouse or partner. In the US, women are raped in huge numbers. They are not safe. They experience sexual assault in huge numbers. To assume that we have a safe, pro-woman culture is to be misguided. As well, children are abuse and assaulted in huge numbers, sexually and not sexually. To assume we have a safe, pro-child culture is to be misguided. It is not a safe place for children either. The rape ring scandals are bad, no argument. But they got a lot of press. While that was going on, 'white' Christian Brits were also assaulting women in high numbers. Put things into perspective. Stop being so completely swayed by 'big' news items and propaganda.

 

[FA_Q2]

Your point is valid. THey are not doing the exact same as what Trump calls for.


ON the other hand, what they are doing it trying to suppress speech that challenges the Conventional Wisdom there, that is Political Correctness.

NOt Hate Speech, that's bullshit.

ANd they need to, because PC is causing horrible damage over there. They cannot defend their policies on their merits.

They really need to shut down any serious and honest discussion if they want to maintain their control.

It's their country and their laws regarding hate speech. You haven't got a thing to say about it because it is now your country. If you don't like it, don't go to the UK.

Your perspective about 'hate speech' is yours. It isn't 'conventional wisdom;' it is your opinion. Not everyone sees reality as you do. It's not your country, your laws, your culture, so get over it. Don't go there, don't live there, don't be a Brit, etc.

You stated that they were banning Trump because of Hate Speech.

I disagreed.

NOthing in your post defended your claim.

Read the article. What do you think are banning him for?

I already told you, in the post you responded to .

Here it is again.

ON the other hand, what they are doing it trying to suppress speech that challenges the Conventional Wisdom there, that is Political Correctness.

NOt Hate Speech, that's bullshit.

ANd they need to, because PC is causing horrible damage over there. They cannot defend their policies on their merits.

They really need to shut down any serious and honest discussion if they want to maintain their control

They are not suppressing speech that 'challenges conventional wisdom.' The laws against hate speech there may be different than ours. That's their privilage. If you don't like the laws and customs in the UK, don't live there or visit there. Otherwise, it is not up to you to dictate how they deal with political and social issues. NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.

The concept of 'conventional wisdom' challenges itself. There is no such thing. What is true for one culture is not true for another. Your world view is yours, not the correct one. There are no absolutes in values, morals, ethics, social and reliigious belief. So called 'conventional wisdom' is a moral value, not a fact.

While it is their privilege to make their own laws it certainly doe not mean that we cannot discuss them (or what we think of them) here in this forum. The 'don't like it just don't go there' is a silly notion as there are plenty of foreigners from Canada and the UK here on this board commenting on political events as well. There is noting wrong with sharing perspectives on other nations laws.

I think that they banned Michal Savage is another example (just like Trump) that highlights the banning of people for 'hate speech' is used as a thinly veiled hammer to ban those political positions that some in the UK simply do not like. It makes me all the more thankful that here we have a right to political speech without the worry that we can be punished for it.

 

[Esmeralda]

It's not the same. You don't know how to think logically. They are not banning all Americans, only those who engage in hate speech. Their country has different laws than ours. People are not allowed to engage in hate speech there.

If they were banning all Americans, like he wants to ban all Muslims, it would be the same. See? It isn't the same.

They banned Michael Savage from entering the UK because of hate speech. "critics have characterized them as "fostering extremism or hatred....Since 2009, Savage has been barred from entering the United Kingdom, for allegedly "seeking to provoke others to serious criminal acts and fostering hatred" Michael Savage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If they were discussing banning all Americans or all conservatives, it might be the same as Trump wanting to ban all Muslims. But they aren't and it isn't.

What about the refugees they accept that openly practice Sharia law? Is this not hate? Oppression on woman? An attack on freedom? Teachings of hatred toward western civilization? Maybe your point toward my statement is valid yes, but I am not the one who needs a lesson on logic. Let in people who have practiced hate openly, but ban people who make a controversial statement. Seems priorities are a little bit one sided to me.

You don't really know anything about sharia law, that's obvious. You may disagree with it, but it isn't about hatred or oppression of women; it's just a different perspective. I don't agree with it either, but it isn't based in hate or oppression. The vast majority of the 1.6 billion Muslims in the world do not practice full sharia law, only some of it. The vast majority of Muslim countries in the world don't practice full sharia law; in fact, only one or two actualy do. The sad thing about posts like yours, and people with ideas like yours,, is that you are not informed and generally what you do know about Islam is not correct. You are basing your opionions on things that are not true.

Of the people who may be Muslim and want to immigrate t o the US, only a tiny minority are interested in living by full sharia law and within that number, even less, far less, expect the US laws to be changed to sharia laws. Believing so shows that you believe in anti-Islam, anti-Muslim propaganda, not the truth or reality. Sharia law does not have anything thing to do with being against the West or Western Civilization, and people who hate the West and Western Civilization are not immigrating to the West.

It's funny and ironic that you say we shouldn't let in people who practice hate openly when that is what you are doing and that is what the anti-Islam propaganda is doing. You hate and fear all Muslims when only a miniscule minority are actually terrorists or would be someone you should fear and hate.

Only a tiny numbers may support Sharia Law, and only a small percentage might be actual criminals, such as rapists or honor murderers, and only a small percentage might assault women in public, and only a small percentage might vandalize jewish graves, and only a small percentage might beat their wives, and only a small percentage might....

But a lot of them support the cultural memes that lead to those actions and all those different crappy behaviors add up, and those memes will contribute to making our future cultural fusion shittier.

BS What you don't understand is that you have been fed and accepted a ton of propaganda. Regarding the huge vast majority of Muslims who are immigrants to the West or who are staying in there own countries is that you have nothing to fear from them. Propaganda tells you otherwise, but it isn't true. You are being manipulated by propaganda.

Tell it to the children of Rotherham.

Tell it tot the women of Cologne.

What absolute nonsense. You don't know what it is like in Germany. You cannot base your perception or understanding of a place based on news reports. News reports focus on and highlight problems and make them seem bigger than they are, more prevalent than they are. I'm not responding to you any more. I have no interest in trying to erase the embedded ideas in your mind that have been put there by propaganda. It's just too, too tiresome. If you don't have the ability to think on your own, what can I do or say?