Trump’s Wall Costs $21.6 Billion; Illegal Immigration Costs $148.3 Billion Per Year

[Siete]

Trump’s Wall Costs $21.6 Billion;

wall? what wall? I dont see any wall.

and neither will YOU.

SUCKERS.

 

[bripat9643]

Arizona is in need of heavier enforcement including an upgraded barrier/wall/fence from what I heard. My family member told me that she has a friend living in Arizona near the border, and she said her friend when moved there purchased a home in a very good neighborhood, but after the Mexicans started flooding in she had to put bars on her windows and doors, and video cams on the premises. She said they have gangs now, and she is stuck in a situation that she can't get out of due her elderly age now. Her property has devalued so badly, that she has lost just about all of her investments in the community over the years.

Now this bullcrap had a starting point, and it has had enablers, and it has a way to aquire an assessment of the damages to be evaluated by the right people, but all this is being ignored by political advocates of open borders, and people with a dam anti-American agenda.

You assume all the Mexicans flooding in are illegals. Are they? Could most be American citizens?

Chain migration. That's going to end.

Why would anyone oppose chain migration?

Why should anyone be for it? Why should someone get an immigrant visa simply because he's the uncle of some other guy who migrated here earlier?

I'm against all migration unless we're talking about someone's wife or kids. Otherwise, there's no reason for it. Every immigrant takes an American job. We don't need any more people here. The country is full.

Then petition to reduce the number of people who can become citizens.

Trump is already working on it, and I support him.

 

[rightwinger]

We make money off of illegals

That is why they are here

So does Mexico. That’s why they are here/ I say tax 2/3ds of the money wet backs send home. That will pay for a chunk of the wall. Likely the yearly maintenance to.

Why not offer temporary work visas and tax their income directly?

Why not do both? The reason you hit the money they send back home and hit it hard is so the illegals pay their fair share and most of the money made here stays here.

If you issue a temporary work visa they are paying their fair share
Everything is on the books

 

[bripat9643]

. Interesting view point, because nation's that have tried or built walls in the olden times found that they really weren't that effective in the end. What do you think Joshua would have thought of a wall ?? Joshua fought the battle of Jericho, and the Walls came a tumbling down. I think the only place in modern times that have seen an effectiveness of a wall has been Israel. However, without the will to enforce the border, the wall would be meaningless.

Since you want to bring up history, America is blind to their history. It is my primary objection to the nutty wall idea.

The founders of this country believed America to be the New Jerusalem of the Bible (that city without walls.) Many a political speech has been made since 1630 and John Winthrop's City on a Hill sermon has been preached that reference that historic sermon.

Those who want to tamper with our history and our destiny are demanding something that will destroy our country. Those who want the wall only see it in terms of the dollars it takes the build the wall.... not the costs of manning and defending it. Worse, they are oblivious to the costs in terms of Liberties and Freedoms that will be forfeited.

ROFL! The wall isn't going to destroy America. In fact, the truth is precisely the opposite. the wall will prevent the USA from turning into Mexico.

The wall is a cheaper way to defend the border than simply hiring a lot of border gaurds. All you open-borders douchebags know that. The fact that the wall is cost effective is precisely why you object to it.

Who do you think you're fooling?

If you had a case you could make it without the name calling. You think that turning America into a totalitarian cesspool is a great idea. I guess you're entitled to your opinion.

Yes, I could make my case without name calling, but I enjoy telling douche bags like you to stuff it. Humiliation and ridicule are the only things leftwingers understand. If they were capable of absorbing logic and facts, they wouldn't be leftwingers.

The problem you have is that I'm not a left-winger. I'm more right of center than you are. So, there is your first problem. The Bible puts it this way:

"He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him." Proverbs 18 : 13

You're not humiliating me; you are only proving how totally ignorant and uninformed you are. The anti-immigrant lobby is so self absorbed and arrogant that they can't see the forest for the trees.

Your solutions are not solutions at all, but rather a recipe for defeat. The only thing you see is the liberal argument versus the current ideas that were created by National Socialists. BEFORE your side co-opted those lame arguments, they were put forth by David Duke, the former Nazi turned KKK supporter. His number one man for creating talking points was John Tanton, the same guy that bankrolls FAIR (Federation for American Immigration Reform), CIS (Center for Immigration Studies) and NumbersUSA... a dozen or so anti-immigrant non-profits in all. And Tanton is pro-eugenics.

So, there is the left's side, your side, and a side you don't even know exists. Long before you jumped onto the National Socialists bandwagon, patriots existed that were working to eliminate what is going on today. But, it was YOUR SIDE that brought us tyranny on the installment plan. YOUR SIDE took away all the progress that had been made for fifty years before you got into this battle. And while you think you're winning something; while you're deluding yourself into thinking you're outwitting the left, they are out-smarting you.

Both you, the Clintons / Sanders/ Obamas / etc. are all going to the same destination... just by different routes.

Please spare me. You're calling me a Nazi and claiming you aren't a leftwinger, that you are further right than I am. There's no one in this forum to the right of me, shit stick.

Hitler was a Vegan, so apparently all vegan's are Nazis. That's your conception of logic.

 

[OnePercenter]

You assume all the Mexicans flooding in are illegals. Are they? Could most be American citizens?

Chain migration. That's going to end.

Why would anyone oppose chain migration?

Why should anyone be for it? Why should someone get an immigrant visa simply because he's the uncle of some other guy who migrated here earlier?

I'm against all migration unless we're talking about someone's wife or kids. Otherwise, there's no reason for it. Every immigrant takes an American job. We don't need any more people here. The country is full.

Then petition to reduce the number of people who can become citizens.

Trump is already working on it, and I support him.

You're Canadian, how can you support Trumpchange?

 

[dblack]

Chain migration. That's going to end.

Why would anyone oppose chain migration?

Why should anyone be for it? Why should someone get an immigrant visa simply because he's the uncle of some other guy who migrated here earlier?

I'm against all migration unless we're talking about someone's wife or kids. Otherwise, there's no reason for it. Every immigrant takes an American job. We don't need any more people here. The country is full.

Then petition to reduce the number of people who can become citizens.

Trump is already working on it, and I support him.

You're Canadian, how can you support Trumpchange?

Bri is a Canadian? He must be REALLY scared of Mexicans!

 

[beagle9]

The wall keeps people out who shouldn't be here so they can't ever get amnesty and they can't ever have an anchor baby. If pregnant women can't get here, then the problem with the 14th Amendment doesn't matter that much. If we change the law regarding chain migration, then the rest of the problems you list will go away.

1) You're dreaming. As long as their are people from the third world here - ESPECIALLY with official sanction, their families will be allowed to come here

2) Your wall will not affect approximately 77 percent of the undocumented foreigners in this country

3) WHEN the walls fail, the technology and the manpower will be used against you

4) For you to hide behind the 14th Amendment and then use disparaging words against children speaks volumes about your character much like the poster who attacks the family of a fellow poster. It's pretty much the same principle.

Your false indignation is showing. DACA/ Dreamer wet backs and their families have ZERO leg to stand in legally. That they are even here is a testament to how awesome our country is as even in Mexico, if you are illegal you have no rights. Walls have worked all over the world all through history. If you look, they have all been built in the most amazing places. And you will also find that all through history, they worked. So the wall is a small price to pay for amnesty. If you don’t live in a border state, you really don’t have an opinion that matters.

Walls only work in communist and totalitarian countries.

. Interesting view point, because nation's that have tried or built walls in the olden times found that they really weren't that effective in the end. What do you think Joshua would have thought of a wall ?? Joshua fought the battle of Jericho, and the Walls came a tumbling down. I think the only place in modern times that have seen an effectiveness of a wall has been Israel. However, without the will to enforce the border, the wall would be meaningless.

Bullshit. All the walls I'm aware of were highly effective. The great wall was highly effective. It kept barbarian nomads out of the country for centuries. Hadrians wall was effective. The wall around Rome was effective. The wall Rome built on the border with Eastern Europe was effective. Tell us which walls weren't effective. I'm dying to know.

The claim that walls aren't effective is open-borders douchebag propaganda.

. Didn't these empires fall from within ?? So how does a wall protect you from yourself ??

Answer that one, and we will be making progress. A Nation has to have the right enforcement attitude, and not be undermined by the open border attitudes, but we as a nation also have to be fiscally responsible when making hopefully the right judgements. Laws and the enforcement of those laws, are far far more powerful than walls will ever be

Admit it, you are so partisan that you can't rationally think this thing through. You forget about what has brought us to the place we are all at, and you forget that those people who have caused it all still have alot of power, so why just place your head in the sand ?? Why do something in which they can, and will have extreme criticism over if we are wrong in our knee jerk reaction to the entire problem ??

I think the right things will be said during the state of the union address. Let's hope.

 

[beagle9]

Your false indignation is showing. DACA/ Dreamer wet backs and their families have ZERO leg to stand in legally. That they are even here is a testament to how awesome our country is as even in Mexico, if you are illegal you have no rights. Walls have worked all over the world all through history. If you look, they have all been built in the most amazing places. And you will also find that all through history, they worked. So the wall is a small price to pay for amnesty. If you don’t live in a border state, you really don’t have an opinion that matters.

Walls only work in communist and totalitarian countries.

. Interesting view point, because nation's that have tried or built walls in the olden times found that they really weren't that effective in the end. What do you think Joshua would have thought of a wall ?? Joshua fought the battle of Jericho, and the Walls came a tumbling down. I think the only place in modern times that have seen an effectiveness of a wall has been Israel. However, without the will to enforce the border, the wall would be meaningless.

Bullshit. All the walls I'm aware of were highly effective. The great wall was highly effective. It kept barbarian nomads out of the country for centuries. Hadrians wall was effective. The wall around Rome was effective. The wall Rome built on the border with Eastern Europe was effective. Tell us which walls weren't effective. I'm dying to know.

The claim that walls aren't effective is open-borders douchebag propaganda.

The Roman Empire fell; China is communist; all the Jews know is war and fear.

We built the greatest nation in the annals of history and fought wars on every continent PLUS had war with our neighbors with open borders.

You can call me all the names you see fit, but it only hides the fact that you don't want to deal with the other side of the accounting ledger. Not only are foreigners profitable for this country, but a wall around America jeopardizes the Freedoms and Liberties our forefathers fought, bled, and died in order to establish.

War and fear, it not bombs going off in pizza joints. Your ideas lost. Take your amnesty for the two million and be happy they aren’t settling in your neighborhood.

. Yes, we live in different times, and due to the out of control attitude of the open borders crowd, who were using the situation to fuel a long term agenda in which has now since brought us to the very place in time in which we all are at now, so we have to apply remedies sufficient for the crisis.

It is a time due to the past liberalist movement coupled with the greed brought on by the corporatists movement that has created this huge crisis that has been looming over us ever since the mid 80's.

 

[JQPublic1]

How much does that cost? We have a Commerce Clause. Illegals should be paying a fine for entering illegally, and pay the usual fee for a federal id for foreigners in the US.

The I-94 doesn't cost anything, it is an arrival and departure record that the foreign national is to keep on their person at all times while here along with their passport.

Improper Entry does have a fine, along with a criminal record and jail sentence, all before being removed.

it doesn't work; Any recidivism is proof of that. why waste good money on bad, right wingers?

Id them, fine them if here illegally, have them pay the fee for a regular id with current information, and let them continue pursuing Happiness in our Republic.

Illegal border crossing has been reduced due to jailing them, we now have less recidivism by them. They are being ID'ed for removal, fined and jailed. They have ID, their countries ID card or they can go to their embassy here and get ID from their country of origin. Whats wrong with them pursuing happiness in their home nation?

it still costs money; we need a better energy grid, not a wall.

illegal immigration cannot be very important, because we can lower taxes like usual and customary, for real times of Commerce, not real times of urgency.

Everything costs money, its cheaper to keep them out verse paying for them to be here since they can't cover their own costs. SHRUG

The tax bill has nothing to do with immigration. Sorry, your strawman hyperbole is just that, now go burn him down. SMFH

There has been considerable fact checking
showing illegal immigrants are more than covering their own costs.

 

[bripat9643]

The I-94 doesn't cost anything, it is an arrival and departure record that the foreign national is to keep on their person at all times while here along with their passport.

Improper Entry does have a fine, along with a criminal record and jail sentence, all before being removed.

it doesn't work; Any recidivism is proof of that. why waste good money on bad, right wingers?

Id them, fine them if here illegally, have them pay the fee for a regular id with current information, and let them continue pursuing Happiness in our Republic.

Illegal border crossing has been reduced due to jailing them, we now have less recidivism by them. They are being ID'ed for removal, fined and jailed. They have ID, their countries ID card or they can go to their embassy here and get ID from their country of origin. Whats wrong with them pursuing happiness in their home nation?

it still costs money; we need a better energy grid, not a wall.

illegal immigration cannot be very important, because we can lower taxes like usual and customary, for real times of Commerce, not real times of urgency.

Everything costs money, its cheaper to keep them out verse paying for them to be here since they can't cover their own costs. SHRUG

The tax bill has nothing to do with immigration. Sorry, your strawman hyperbole is just that, now go burn him down. SMFH

There has been considerable fact checking
showing illegal immigrants are more than covering their own costs.

FactCheck.org

I've already exposed your link as fake news.

 

[JQPublic1]

it doesn't work; Any recidivism is proof of that. why waste good money on bad, right wingers?

Id them, fine them if here illegally, have them pay the fee for a regular id with current information, and let them continue pursuing Happiness in our Republic.

Illegal border crossing has been reduced due to jailing them, we now have less recidivism by them. They are being ID'ed for removal, fined and jailed. They have ID, their countries ID card or they can go to their embassy here and get ID from their country of origin. Whats wrong with them pursuing happiness in their home nation?

it still costs money; we need a better energy grid, not a wall.

illegal immigration cannot be very important, because we can lower taxes like usual and customary, for real times of Commerce, not real times of urgency.

Everything costs money, its cheaper to keep them out verse paying for them to be here since they can't cover their own costs. SHRUG

The tax bill has nothing to do with immigration. Sorry, your strawman hyperbole is just that, now go burn him down. SMFH

There has been considerable fact checking
showing illegal immigrants are more than covering their own costs.

FactCheck.org

I've already exposed your link as fake news.

The only thing you've exposed is your uncanny ability to spew BS. Then, when called on it you shout "fake news."

 

[bripat9643]

Illegal border crossing has been reduced due to jailing them, we now have less recidivism by them. They are being ID'ed for removal, fined and jailed. They have ID, their countries ID card or they can go to their embassy here and get ID from their country of origin. Whats wrong with them pursuing happiness in their home nation?

it still costs money; we need a better energy grid, not a wall.

illegal immigration cannot be very important, because we can lower taxes like usual and customary, for real times of Commerce, not real times of urgency.

Everything costs money, its cheaper to keep them out verse paying for them to be here since they can't cover their own costs. SHRUG

The tax bill has nothing to do with immigration. Sorry, your strawman hyperbole is just that, now go burn him down. SMFH

There has been considerable fact checking
showing illegal immigrants are more than covering their own costs.

FactCheck.org

I've already exposed your link as fake news.

The only thing you've exposed is your uncanny ability to spew BS. Then, when called on it you shout "fake news."

I call fake news "fake news." So-called "Factcheck" sites were all conceived by leftwing propaganda mills that have lost all credibility with the public. Their output has been examined and been found to be decidedly biased against Republicans and in favor of Democrats. Only fools and douchebags continue to place any faith in them.

 

[JQPublic1]

More unadulterated BS

Cost of Illegal Immigrants - FactCheck.org

Factcheck.org is fake news.

Yer a funny little feller

It is the brainchild of billionaire conservative Walter Annenberg

ROFL Walter Annenberg is a hardcore leftwinger. He funds all those pinko propaganda programs on PBS. Obama and Bill Ayers both served on the board of an Annenberg charity together. The claim that he's a conservative doesn't pass the laugh test.

You just proved that FactCheck.org is fake news.

You'd have to prove the author of the article is
Wrong. Political inclinations have no bearing on being factual....unless you're a pathological liar like Trump.

 

[bripat9643]

More unadulterated BS

Cost of Illegal Immigrants - FactCheck.org

Factcheck.org is fake news.

Yer a funny little feller

It is the brainchild of billionaire conservative Walter Annenberg

ROFL Walter Annenberg is a hardcore leftwinger. He funds all those pinko propaganda programs on PBS. Obama and Bill Ayers both served on the board of an Annenberg charity together. The claim that he's a conservative doesn't pass the laugh test.

You just proved that FactCheck.org is fake news.

You'd have to prove the author of the article is
Wrong. Political inclinations have no bearing on being factual....unless you're a pathological liar like Trump.

Actually they do because leftists are notorious for being liars.

 

[JQPublic1]

it still costs money; we need a better energy grid, not a wall.

illegal immigration cannot be very important, because we can lower taxes like usual and customary, for real times of Commerce, not real times of urgency.

Everything costs money, its cheaper to keep them out verse paying for them to be here since they can't cover their own costs. SHRUG

The tax bill has nothing to do with immigration. Sorry, your strawman hyperbole is just that, now go burn him down. SMFH

There has been considerable fact checking
showing illegal immigrants are more than covering their own costs.

FactCheck.org

I've already exposed your link as fake news.

The only thing you've exposed is your uncanny ability to spew BS. Then, when called on it you shout "fake news."

I call fake news "fake news." So-called "Factcheck" sites were all conceived by leftwing propaganda mills that have lost all credibility with the public. Their output has been examined and been found to be decidedly biased against Republicans and in favor of Democrats. Only fools and douchebags continue to place any faith in them.

And who conducted that examination, Fox noise? You? Heh heh heh...

 

[OnePercenter]

Why would anyone oppose chain migration?

Why should anyone be for it? Why should someone get an immigrant visa simply because he's the uncle of some other guy who migrated here earlier?

I'm against all migration unless we're talking about someone's wife or kids. Otherwise, there's no reason for it. Every immigrant takes an American job. We don't need any more people here. The country is full.

Then petition to reduce the number of people who can become citizens.

Trump is already working on it, and I support him.

You're Canadian, how can you support Trumpchange?

Bri is a Canadian? He must be REALLY scared of Mexicans!

He's one of the numerous paid Canadian posters on the USMB.

 

[JQPublic1]

it still costs money; we need a better energy grid, not a wall.

illegal immigration cannot be very important, because we can lower taxes like usual and customary, for real times of Commerce, not real times of urgency.

Everything costs money, its cheaper to keep them out verse paying for them to be here since they can't cover their own costs. SHRUG

The tax bill has nothing to do with immigration. Sorry, your strawman hyperbole is just that, now go burn him down. SMFH

There has been considerable fact checking
showing illegal immigrants are more than covering their own costs.

FactCheck.org

I've already exposed your link as fake news.

The only thing you've exposed is your uncanny ability to spew BS. Then, when called on it you shout "fake news."

I call fake news "fake news." So-called "Factcheck" sites were all conceived by leftwing propaganda mills that have lost all credibility with the public. Their output has been examined and been found to be decidedly biased against Republicans and in favor of Democrats. Only fools and douchebags continue to place any faith in them.

Yeah...and Trump is the paragon of truth...right? You are one sick delusional bahs-turd. And to think there are more like you walking around with programmed minds that refuse to accept anything but RW propaganda as fact. You zombies are a waste of time...

 

[JQPublic1]

More unadulterated BS

Cost of Illegal Immigrants - FactCheck.org

Factcheck.org is fake news.

Yer a funny little feller

It is the brainchild of billionaire conservative Walter Annenberg

ROFL Walter Annenberg is a hardcore leftwinger. He funds all those pinko propaganda programs on PBS. Obama and Bill Ayers both served on the board of an Annenberg charity together. The claim that he's a conservative doesn't pass the laugh test.

You just proved that FactCheck.org is fake news.

You'd have to prove the author of the article is
Wrong. Political inclinations have no bearing on being factual....unless you're a pathological liar like Trump.

Actually they do because leftists are notorious for being liars.

BWHAHAHAHAH! And you support the most visible proven lying machine on earth and beyond...Donald Trump.

 

[bripat9643]

Factcheck.org is fake news.

Yer a funny little feller

It is the brainchild of billionaire conservative Walter Annenberg

ROFL Walter Annenberg is a hardcore leftwinger. He funds all those pinko propaganda programs on PBS. Obama and Bill Ayers both served on the board of an Annenberg charity together. The claim that he's a conservative doesn't pass the laugh test.

You just proved that FactCheck.org is fake news.

You'd have to prove the author of the article is
Wrong. Political inclinations have no bearing on being factual....unless you're a pathological liar like Trump.

Actually they do because leftists are notorious for being liars.

BWHAHAHAHAH! And you support the most visible proven lying machine on earth and beyond...Donald Trump.

Personal attacks are about the only arrow you have in your quiver.

 

[JQPublic1]

Yer a funny little feller

It is the brainchild of billionaire conservative Walter Annenberg

ROFL Walter Annenberg is a hardcore leftwinger. He funds all those pinko propaganda programs on PBS. Obama and Bill Ayers both served on the board of an Annenberg charity together. The claim that he's a conservative doesn't pass the laugh test.

You just proved that FactCheck.org is fake news.

You'd have to prove the author of the article is
Wrong. Political inclinations have no bearing on being factual....unless you're a pathological liar like Trump.

Actually they do because leftists are notorious for being liars.

BWHAHAHAHAH! And you support the most visible proven lying machine on earth and beyond...Donald Trump.

Personal attacks are about the only arrow you have in your quiver.

WTF? You start a fire, get burned and then scream at me for pissing on you to douse the flames consuming your sorry ass.