Trump’s Wall Costs $21.6 Billion; Illegal Immigration Costs $148.3 Billion Per Year

[danielpalos]

All foreign nationals should have a federal id.

 

[Crixus]

1) You're dreaming. As long as their are people from the third world here - ESPECIALLY with official sanction, their families will be allowed to come here

2) Your wall will not affect approximately 77 percent of the undocumented foreigners in this country

3) WHEN the walls fail, the technology and the manpower will be used against you

4) For you to hide behind the 14th Amendment and then use disparaging words against children speaks volumes about your character much like the poster who attacks the family of a fellow poster. It's pretty much the same principle.

Your false indignation is showing. DACA/ Dreamer wet backs and their families have ZERO leg to stand in legally. That they are even here is a testament to how awesome our country is as even in Mexico, if you are illegal you have no rights. Walls have worked all over the world all through history. If you look, they have all been built in the most amazing places. And you will also find that all through history, they worked. So the wall is a small price to pay for amnesty. If you don’t live in a border state, you really don’t have an opinion that matters.

Walls only work in communist and totalitarian countries.

. Interesting view point, because nation's that have tried or built walls in the olden times found that they really weren't that effective in the end. What do you think Joshua would have thought of a wall ?? Joshua fought the battle of Jericho, and the Walls came a tumbling down. I think the only place in modern times that have seen an effectiveness of a wall has been Israel. However, without the will to enforce the border, the wall would be meaningless.

Bullshit. All the walls I'm aware of were highly effective. The great wall was highly effective. It kept barbarian nomads out of the country for centuries. Hadrians wall was effective. The wall around Rome was effective. The wall Rome built on the border with Eastern Europe was effective. Tell us which walls weren't effective. I'm dying to know.

The claim that walls aren't effective is open-borders douchebag propaganda.

The Roman Empire fell; China is communist; all the Jews know is war and fear.

We built the greatest nation in the annals of history and fought wars on every continent PLUS had war with our neighbors with open borders.

You can call me all the names you see fit, but it only hides the fact that you don't want to deal with the other side of the accounting ledger. Not only are foreigners profitable for this country, but a wall around America jeopardizes the Freedoms and Liberties our forefathers fought, bled, and died in order to establish.

War and fear, it not bombs going off in pizza joints. Your ideas lost. Take your amnesty for the two million and be happy they aren’t settling in your neighborhood.

 

[Liquid Reigns]

All foreign nationals should have a federal id.

They, if they entered the US legally, would have an I-94 form.

 

[Liquid Reigns]

If I remember correctly, the I-9 documentation is accompanied by real or fake documents such as birth certificates or social security cards. In the latter case, once the data is sent to the IRS a "non match" warning is sent back to the employer who then is alerted to the possibility of the credentials being fake. At that moment, if no action is taken by the employer to rectify the discovery, everything I said about that employer's loyalty to the American labor force Is true.

What you stated is only true if the employer does nothing with the no match letter.

Cheap labor is a compelling reason to hire illegal immigrants. This link may cause you to adjust your opinion:

At least half of all farmworkers in the United States are undocumented Mexican immigrants. And “documentation” often dictates inclusion in a guest-worker program that’s been compared to slavery. Americans avoid these jobs, yet elected a president who promised mass deportation. There’s a crisis brewing in our fields, and it’s about to get much, much worse. More...

Your showing things that are already well known, less than half of field labor is done via illegals, that means that over half are legally here, i.e. citizens, LPR, and non-immigrant visas (H2A). The H2A isn't compared to slavery, the farmer has requirements in order to use the H2A, and the states have farm labor requirements such as minimum pay and overtime mandates. Many Americans avoid farm labor as it is both hard work and short term usually weeks only, and migrating with the work is usually required. Most Americans have both homes and families and do not migrate for short term work. Deporting illegals that work the fields will force farmers to use the H2A as they should have been doing from the get go. SHRUG

 

[JQPublic1]

You've pretty much answered your own question. Undocumented foreigners are here as a result of the free market. You want to live in a socialist shithole - so don't pee down my back and tell me it's raining.

Illegals are here because most are nothing more than economic refugees, they can simply make more per hour, day, week, month, year, here than they can back home, all the while sending money back so that their family can be higher on the social ladder.

So why do our " patriotic" employers hire illegals? Obviously they have no sense of loyalty to the native American labor force.
One answer to that question is quite sobering.
Cheap labor is essential to keeping food prices low. We have addressed that reality by issuing seasonal work visas to migrants looking to pick fruit and work the farms.
At least there is some measure of control there...

I've responded to this in hundreds of threads on this board. Let me make this clear to you:

NO American employer owes any of you a job. The greatest hallmark of our constitutional Republic is that of private property Rights. You can pass all the laws you like, but just as a singer owns the words they commit to paper when they write a song, the employer owns the job he / she creates. It's not yours to force employers to hire you for.

Once the employer does hire those you find objectionable, you have every RIGHT to boycott that business. NOBODY is twisting your arm and telling you to buy from Walmart. Walmart was convicted of hiring contractors that hire undocumented foreigners. So, if we use your analogy, YOU KNEW - or, at the least had a duty to know that Walmart used undocumented foreigners. So, if those foreigners "stole" your jobs, then you are guilty of receiving stolen property when you shop there. How far do you want to try and invoke unconstitutional laws when the solution is simple:

Let the free market work. You can shop at places that only hire Americans. Be responsible for yourself.

This issue is far grander than mere job stealing. Knowingly harboring illegals is a crime. In the case of Walmart, if I knew that illegal immigrants were harbored there and were taking jobs away from Americans I would feel duty-bound to call immigration authorities. But if you say Walmart has already been convicted in certain areas, that point is moot. The question now is just how much attention are the immigration authorities paying to known criminal conduct of Walmart and what are they doing about it?
But let's get one thing straight. There's a difference between fruit Pickers and illegals working at Walmart. Walmart is a far more desirable place to work because it's an inside job. It beats slaving out in the fields any day and. any time of year. That is the crucial distinction. And i wouldn't be so quick to boycott Walmart because I do think most of the people working there are American citizens.

 

[DrLove]

More unadulterated BS

Cost of Illegal Immigrants - FactCheck.org

 

[Humorme]

Walls only work in communist and totalitarian countries.

. Interesting view point, because nation's that have tried or built walls in the olden times found that they really weren't that effective in the end. What do you think Joshua would have thought of a wall ?? Joshua fought the battle of Jericho, and the Walls came a tumbling down. I think the only place in modern times that have seen an effectiveness of a wall has been Israel. However, without the will to enforce the border, the wall would be meaningless.

Since you want to bring up history, America is blind to their history. It is my primary objection to the nutty wall idea.

The founders of this country believed America to be the New Jerusalem of the Bible (that city without walls.) Many a political speech has been made since 1630 and John Winthrop's City on a Hill sermon has been preached that reference that historic sermon.

Those who want to tamper with our history and our destiny are demanding something that will destroy our country. Those who want the wall only see it in terms of the dollars it takes the build the wall.... not the costs of manning and defending it. Worse, they are oblivious to the costs in terms of Liberties and Freedoms that will be forfeited.

ROFL! The wall isn't going to destroy America. In fact, the truth is precisely the opposite. the wall will prevent the USA from turning into Mexico.

The wall is a cheaper way to defend the border than simply hiring a lot of border gaurds. All you open-borders douchebags know that. The fact that the wall is cost effective is precisely why you object to it.

Who do you think you're fooling?

If you had a case you could make it without the name calling. You think that turning America into a totalitarian cesspool is a great idea. I guess you're entitled to your opinion.

The case is made. America voted. Deal with that. Or don’t.

Yeah, the last polling numbers last night on tv said 63 percent of the American people don't want a wall. I can deal with that. Can you?

 

[danielpalos]

All foreign nationals should have a federal id.

They, if they entered the US legally, would have an I-94 form.

Why are all foreign nationals in the US, not getting a federal id, if they are already in the US?

 

[Humorme]

You've pretty much answered your own question. Undocumented foreigners are here as a result of the free market. You want to live in a socialist shithole - so don't pee down my back and tell me it's raining.

Illegals are here because most are nothing more than economic refugees, they can simply make more per hour, day, week, month, year, here than they can back home, all the while sending money back so that their family can be higher on the social ladder.

So why do our " patriotic" employers hire illegals? Obviously they have no sense of loyalty to the native American labor force.
One answer to that question is quite sobering.
Cheap labor is essential to keeping food prices low. We have addressed that reality by issuing seasonal work visas to migrants looking to pick fruit and work the farms.
At least there is some measure of control there...

I've responded to this in hundreds of threads on this board. Let me make this clear to you:

NO American employer owes any of you a job. The greatest hallmark of our constitutional Republic is that of private property Rights. You can pass all the laws you like, but just as a singer owns the words they commit to paper when they write a song, the employer owns the job he / she creates. It's not yours to force employers to hire you for.

Once the employer does hire those you find objectionable, you have every RIGHT to boycott that business. NOBODY is twisting your arm and telling you to buy from Walmart. Walmart was convicted of hiring contractors that hire undocumented foreigners. So, if we use your analogy, YOU KNEW - or, at the least had a duty to know that Walmart used undocumented foreigners. So, if those foreigners "stole" your jobs, then you are guilty of receiving stolen property when you shop there. How far do you want to try and invoke unconstitutional laws when the solution is simple:

Let the free market work. You can shop at places that only hire Americans. Be responsible for yourself.

This issue is far grander than mere job stealing. Knowingly harboring illegals is a crime. In the case of Walmart, if I knew that illegal immigrants were harbored there and were taking jobs away from Americans I would feel duty-bound to call immigration authorities. But if you say Walmart has already been convicted in certain areas, that point is moot. The question now is just how much attention are the immigration authorities paying to known criminal conduct of Walmart and what are they doing about it?
But let's get one thing straight. There's a difference between fruit Pickers and illegals working at Walmart. Walmart is a far more desirable place to work because it's an inside job. It beats slaving out in the fields any day and. any time of year. That is the crucial distinction. And i wouldn't be so quick to boycott Walmart because I do think most of the people working there are American citizens.

Great deflection and a way to let some employers ignore the law while others can't. Pick on the poor arse farmer whose profit for the year doesn't equal the profit of a single Walmart store.

All these laws you're talking about are patently unconstitutional. Otherwise a majority of Americans would obey the law. You can pass all the laws you want. When it restricts Liberty, it will be ignored by the bulk of the American people.

 

[Humorme]

More unadulterated BS

Cost of Illegal Immigrants - FactCheck.org

So, do think it's B.S. because the facts do not support anti-immigrant claims OR because FAIR and CIS are bankrolled by a guy who believes in eugenics?

 

[bripat9643]

Arizona is in need of heavier enforcement including an upgraded barrier/wall/fence from what I heard. My family member told me that she has a friend living in Arizona near the border, and she said her friend when moved there purchased a home in a very good neighborhood, but after the Mexicans started flooding in she had to put bars on her windows and doors, and video cams on the premises. She said they have gangs now, and she is stuck in a situation that she can't get out of due her elderly age now. Her property has devalued so badly, that she has lost just about all of her investments in the community over the years.

Now this bullcrap had a starting point, and it has had enablers, and it has a way to aquire an assessment of the damages to be evaluated by the right people, but all this is being ignored by political advocates of open borders, and people with a dam anti-American agenda.

You assume all the Mexicans flooding in are illegals. Are they? Could most be American citizens?

Chain migration. That's going to end.

Why would anyone oppose chain migration?

Why should anyone be for it? Why should someone get an immigrant visa simply because he's the uncle of some other guy who migrated here earlier?

I'm against all migration unless we're talking about someone's wife or kids. Otherwise, there's no reason for it. Every immigrant takes an American job. We don't need any more people here. The country is full.

 

[danielpalos]

It should be illegal for foreign nationals in the US to not have a federal ID.

 

[bripat9643]

When did seizing property ever bother Democrats? The EPA does it all the time, and without compensation.

Yes, but usually for good reason...

No good reason to steal someone's land for a wall that won't work.

In other words, it's not a 5th Amendment issue.

You're a dumbass.

 

[bripat9643]

Your false indignation is showing. DACA/ Dreamer wet backs and their families have ZERO leg to stand in legally. That they are even here is a testament to how awesome our country is as even in Mexico, if you are illegal you have no rights. Walls have worked all over the world all through history. If you look, they have all been built in the most amazing places. And you will also find that all through history, they worked. So the wall is a small price to pay for amnesty. If you don’t live in a border state, you really don’t have an opinion that matters.

Walls only work in communist and totalitarian countries.

. Interesting view point, because nation's that have tried or built walls in the olden times found that they really weren't that effective in the end. What do you think Joshua would have thought of a wall ?? Joshua fought the battle of Jericho, and the Walls came a tumbling down. I think the only place in modern times that have seen an effectiveness of a wall has been Israel. However, without the will to enforce the border, the wall would be meaningless.

Since you want to bring up history, America is blind to their history. It is my primary objection to the nutty wall idea.

The founders of this country believed America to be the New Jerusalem of the Bible (that city without walls.) Many a political speech has been made since 1630 and John Winthrop's City on a Hill sermon has been preached that reference that historic sermon.

Those who want to tamper with our history and our destiny are demanding something that will destroy our country. Those who want the wall only see it in terms of the dollars it takes the build the wall.... not the costs of manning and defending it. Worse, they are oblivious to the costs in terms of Liberties and Freedoms that will be forfeited.

ROFL! The wall isn't going to destroy America. In fact, the truth is precisely the opposite. the wall will prevent the USA from turning into Mexico.

The wall is a cheaper way to defend the border than simply hiring a lot of border gaurds. All you open-borders douchebags know that. The fact that the wall is cost effective is precisely why you object to it.

Who do you think you're fooling?

If you had a case you could make it without the name calling. You think that turning America into a totalitarian cesspool is a great idea. I guess you're entitled to your opinion.

Yes, I could make my case without name calling, but I enjoy telling douche bags like you to stuff it. Humiliation and ridicule are the only things leftwingers understand. If they were capable of absorbing logic and facts, they wouldn't be leftwingers.

 

[bripat9643]

More unadulterated BS

Cost of Illegal Immigrants - FactCheck.org

Factcheck.org is fake news.

 

[DrLove]

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Cost of Illegal Immigrants - FactCheck.org

Factcheck.org is fake news.

Yer a funny little feller

It is the brainchild of billionaire conservative Walter Annenberg

 

[danielpalos]

More unadulterated BS

Cost of Illegal Immigrants - FactCheck.org

Factcheck.org is fake news.

Yer a funny little feller

It is the brainchild of billionaire conservative Walter Annenberg

It is a fallacy of false Cause, with our Commerce Clause.

 

[JQPublic1]

More unadulterated BS

Cost of Illegal Immigrants - FactCheck.org

Thanks for the link. It's one of thr most comprehensive rebuttals of RW nonesense I've seen.

 

[JQPublic1]

More unadulterated BS

Cost of Illegal Immigrants - FactCheck.org

Factcheck.org is fake news.

Almost everything you say is fake news.
So...STFU.

 

[bripat9643]

More unadulterated BS

Cost of Illegal Immigrants - FactCheck.org

Factcheck.org is fake news.

Yer a funny little feller

It is the brainchild of billionaire conservative Walter Annenberg

ROFL Walter Annenberg is a hardcore leftwinger. He funds all those pinko propaganda programs on PBS. Obama and Bill Ayers both served on the board of an Annenberg charity together. The claim that he's a conservative doesn't pass the laugh test.

You just proved that FactCheck.org is fake news.