Trump’s Wall Costs $21.6 Billion; Illegal Immigration Costs $148.3 Billion Per Year

[bripat9643]

More unadulterated BS

Cost of Illegal Immigrants - FactCheck.org

Factcheck.org is fake news.

Almost everything you say is fake news.
So...STFU.

That's funny coming from a congenital dumbass like you.

 

[danielpalos]

We don't need a wall; we need a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage. Who cares if lousy capitalists making it on low wage labor, fail. We need better capitalists who can make like Henry Ford, not whiners who complain about taxes.

 

[JQPublic1]

Your showing things that are already well known, less than half of field labor is done via illegals,

The link says more than half of field labor is done byu undocumented workers.

that means that over half are legally here, i.e. citizens, LPR, and non-immigrant visas (H2A). The H2A isn't compared to slavery,

You didn't read the link, did you? At least half of field workers are undocumented ...that means what it says. And the linked narrative
made the comparison to slavery. Why do you dispute it?

Deporting illegals that work the fields will force farmers to use the H2A as they should have been doing from the get go. SHRUG

is that a fact or a hunch?
There doesn't seem to be an endless supply of people wanting to come here to just to work the fields. And those deported, ostensibly, would be ineligible for H2A status. Also with minimum wages rising steadily...many farmers may allow fields to go fallow if forced to use H2A .

 

[Liquid Reigns]

All foreign nationals should have a federal id.

They, if they entered the US legally, would have an I-94 form.

Why are all foreign nationals in the US, not getting a federal id, if they are already in the US?

If they didn't enter via a port of entry to get their federal I-94 then those who entered improperly aren't entitled to one and need to be removed from this country. SHRUG

 

[Liquid Reigns]

Great deflection and a way to let some employers ignore the law while others can't. Pick on the poor arse farmer whose profit for the year doesn't equal the profit of a single Walmart store.

All these laws you're talking about are patently unconstitutional. Otherwise a majority of Americans would obey the law. You can pass all the laws you want. When it restricts Liberty, it will be ignored by the bulk of the American people.

And yet they aren't unconstitutional as you claim. gofigure

 

[Liquid Reigns]

It should be illegal for foreign nationals in the US to not have a federal ID.

It is illegal for foreign nationals in the US to not have an I-94, that is why they are being found and removed. SMFH

 

[Liquid Reigns]

The link says more than half of field labor is done byu undocumented workers.

No your link says at least half, which means they really can't say more then half. SHRUG

You didn't read the link, did you? At least half of field workers are undocumented ...that means what it says. And the linked narrative
made the comparison to slavery. Why do you dispute it?

Yes I read the link, why do you think they didn't say more then half? They can compare it to whatever they want, doesn't make it factual, merely hyperbolic opinion. SHRUG

is that a fact or a hunch?
There doesn't seem to be an endless supply of people wanting to come here to just to work the fields. And those deported, ostensibly, would be ineligible for H2A status. Also with minimum wages rising steadily...many farmers may allow fields to go fallow if forced to use H2A .

Many farmers may also mechanize, or plant less labor intensive crops, see there is more then one way to skin a cat.

 

[danielpalos]

All foreign nationals should have a federal id.

They, if they entered the US legally, would have an I-94 form.

Why are all foreign nationals in the US, not getting a federal id, if they are already in the US?

If they didn't enter via a port of entry to get their federal I-94 then those who entered improperly aren't entitled to one and need to be removed from this country. SHRUG

How much does that cost? We have a Commerce Clause. Illegals should be paying a fine for entering illegally, and pay the usual fee for a federal id for foreigners in the US.

 

[Liquid Reigns]

All foreign nationals should have a federal id.

They, if they entered the US legally, would have an I-94 form.

Why are all foreign nationals in the US, not getting a federal id, if they are already in the US?

If they didn't enter via a port of entry to get their federal I-94 then those who entered improperly aren't entitled to one and need to be removed from this country. SHRUG

How much does that cost? We have a Commerce Clause. Illegals should be paying a fine for entering illegally, and pay the usual fee for a federal id for foreigners in the US.

The I-94 doesn't cost anything, it is an arrival and departure record that the foreign national is to keep on their person at all times while here along with their passport.

Improper Entry does have a fine, along with a criminal record and jail sentence, all before being removed.

 

[danielpalos]

All foreign nationals should have a federal id.

They, if they entered the US legally, would have an I-94 form.

Why are all foreign nationals in the US, not getting a federal id, if they are already in the US?

If they didn't enter via a port of entry to get their federal I-94 then those who entered improperly aren't entitled to one and need to be removed from this country. SHRUG

How much does that cost? We have a Commerce Clause. Illegals should be paying a fine for entering illegally, and pay the usual fee for a federal id for foreigners in the US.

The I-94 doesn't cost anything, it is an arrival and departure record that the foreign national is to keep on their person at all times while here along with their passport.

Improper Entry does have a fine, along with a criminal record and jail sentence, all before being removed.

it doesn't work; Any recidivism is proof of that. why waste good money on bad, right wingers?

Id them, fine them if here illegally, have them pay the fee for a regular id with current information, and let them continue pursuing Happiness in our Republic.

 

[Humorme]

Arizona is in need of heavier enforcement including an upgraded barrier/wall/fence from what I heard. My family member told me that she has a friend living in Arizona near the border, and she said her friend when moved there purchased a home in a very good neighborhood, but after the Mexicans started flooding in she had to put bars on her windows and doors, and video cams on the premises. She said they have gangs now, and she is stuck in a situation that she can't get out of due her elderly age now. Her property has devalued so badly, that she has lost just about all of her investments in the community over the years.

Now this bullcrap had a starting point, and it has had enablers, and it has a way to aquire an assessment of the damages to be evaluated by the right people, but all this is being ignored by political advocates of open borders, and people with a dam anti-American agenda.

You assume all the Mexicans flooding in are illegals. Are they? Could most be American citizens?

Chain migration. That's going to end.

Why would anyone oppose chain migration?

Why should anyone be for it? Why should someone get an immigrant visa simply because he's the uncle of some other guy who migrated here earlier?

I'm against all migration unless we're talking about someone's wife or kids. Otherwise, there's no reason for it. Every immigrant takes an American job. We don't need any more people here. The country is full.

Then petition to reduce the number of people who can become citizens.

 

[danielpalos]

Arizona is in need of heavier enforcement including an upgraded barrier/wall/fence from what I heard. My family member told me that she has a friend living in Arizona near the border, and she said her friend when moved there purchased a home in a very good neighborhood, but after the Mexicans started flooding in she had to put bars on her windows and doors, and video cams on the premises. She said they have gangs now, and she is stuck in a situation that she can't get out of due her elderly age now. Her property has devalued so badly, that she has lost just about all of her investments in the community over the years.

Now this bullcrap had a starting point, and it has had enablers, and it has a way to aquire an assessment of the damages to be evaluated by the right people, but all this is being ignored by political advocates of open borders, and people with a dam anti-American agenda.

You assume all the Mexicans flooding in are illegals. Are they? Could most be American citizens?

Chain migration. That's going to end.

Why would anyone oppose chain migration?

Why should anyone be for it? Why should someone get an immigrant visa simply because he's the uncle of some other guy who migrated here earlier?

I'm against all migration unless we're talking about someone's wife or kids. Otherwise, there's no reason for it. Every immigrant takes an American job. We don't need any more people here. The country is full.

Then petition to reduce the number of people who can become citizens.

not everyone who applies is automatically accepted for citizenship.

 

[Liquid Reigns]

They, if they entered the US legally, would have an I-94 form.

Why are all foreign nationals in the US, not getting a federal id, if they are already in the US?

If they didn't enter via a port of entry to get their federal I-94 then those who entered improperly aren't entitled to one and need to be removed from this country. SHRUG

How much does that cost? We have a Commerce Clause. Illegals should be paying a fine for entering illegally, and pay the usual fee for a federal id for foreigners in the US.

The I-94 doesn't cost anything, it is an arrival and departure record that the foreign national is to keep on their person at all times while here along with their passport.

Improper Entry does have a fine, along with a criminal record and jail sentence, all before being removed.

it doesn't work; Any recidivism is proof of that. why waste good money on bad, right wingers?

Id them, fine them if here illegally, have them pay the fee for a regular id with current information, and let them continue pursuing Happiness in our Republic.

Illegal border crossing has been reduced due to jailing them, we now have less recidivism by them. They are being ID'ed for removal, fined and jailed. They have ID, their countries ID card or they can go to their embassy here and get ID from their country of origin. Whats wrong with them pursuing happiness in their home nation?

 

[danielpalos]

why become a citizen if you can be tourist for as long as you want?

 

[Humorme]

Walls only work in communist and totalitarian countries.

. Interesting view point, because nation's that have tried or built walls in the olden times found that they really weren't that effective in the end. What do you think Joshua would have thought of a wall ?? Joshua fought the battle of Jericho, and the Walls came a tumbling down. I think the only place in modern times that have seen an effectiveness of a wall has been Israel. However, without the will to enforce the border, the wall would be meaningless.

Since you want to bring up history, America is blind to their history. It is my primary objection to the nutty wall idea.

The founders of this country believed America to be the New Jerusalem of the Bible (that city without walls.) Many a political speech has been made since 1630 and John Winthrop's City on a Hill sermon has been preached that reference that historic sermon.

Those who want to tamper with our history and our destiny are demanding something that will destroy our country. Those who want the wall only see it in terms of the dollars it takes the build the wall.... not the costs of manning and defending it. Worse, they are oblivious to the costs in terms of Liberties and Freedoms that will be forfeited.

ROFL! The wall isn't going to destroy America. In fact, the truth is precisely the opposite. the wall will prevent the USA from turning into Mexico.

The wall is a cheaper way to defend the border than simply hiring a lot of border gaurds. All you open-borders douchebags know that. The fact that the wall is cost effective is precisely why you object to it.

Who do you think you're fooling?

If you had a case you could make it without the name calling. You think that turning America into a totalitarian cesspool is a great idea. I guess you're entitled to your opinion.

Yes, I could make my case without name calling, but I enjoy telling douche bags like you to stuff it. Humiliation and ridicule are the only things leftwingers understand. If they were capable of absorbing logic and facts, they wouldn't be leftwingers.

The problem you have is that I'm not a left-winger. I'm more right of center than you are. So, there is your first problem. The Bible puts it this way:

"He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him." Proverbs 18 : 13

You're not humiliating me; you are only proving how totally ignorant and uninformed you are. The anti-immigrant lobby is so self absorbed and arrogant that they can't see the forest for the trees.

Your solutions are not solutions at all, but rather a recipe for defeat. The only thing you see is the liberal argument versus the current ideas that were created by National Socialists. BEFORE your side co-opted those lame arguments, they were put forth by David Duke, the former Nazi turned KKK supporter. His number one man for creating talking points was John Tanton, the same guy that bankrolls FAIR (Federation for American Immigration Reform), CIS (Center for Immigration Studies) and NumbersUSA... a dozen or so anti-immigrant non-profits in all. And Tanton is pro-eugenics.

So, there is the left's side, your side, and a side you don't even know exists. Long before you jumped onto the National Socialists bandwagon, patriots existed that were working to eliminate what is going on today. But, it was YOUR SIDE that brought us tyranny on the installment plan. YOUR SIDE took away all the progress that had been made for fifty years before you got into this battle. And while you think you're winning something; while you're deluding yourself into thinking you're outwitting the left, they are out-smarting you.

Both you, the Clintons / Sanders/ Obamas / etc. are all going to the same destination... just by different routes.

 

[danielpalos]

Why are all foreign nationals in the US, not getting a federal id, if they are already in the US?

If they didn't enter via a port of entry to get their federal I-94 then those who entered improperly aren't entitled to one and need to be removed from this country. SHRUG

How much does that cost? We have a Commerce Clause. Illegals should be paying a fine for entering illegally, and pay the usual fee for a federal id for foreigners in the US.

The I-94 doesn't cost anything, it is an arrival and departure record that the foreign national is to keep on their person at all times while here along with their passport.

Improper Entry does have a fine, along with a criminal record and jail sentence, all before being removed.

it doesn't work; Any recidivism is proof of that. why waste good money on bad, right wingers?

Id them, fine them if here illegally, have them pay the fee for a regular id with current information, and let them continue pursuing Happiness in our Republic.

Illegal border crossing has been reduced due to jailing them, we now have less recidivism by them. They are being ID'ed for removal, fined and jailed. They have ID, their countries ID card or they can go to their embassy here and get ID from their country of origin. Whats wrong with them pursuing happiness in their home nation?

it still costs money; we need a better energy grid, not a wall.

illegal immigration cannot be very important, because we can lower taxes like usual and customary, for real times of Commerce, not real times of urgency.

 

[Humorme]

You assume all the Mexicans flooding in are illegals. Are they? Could most be American citizens?

Chain migration. That's going to end.

Why would anyone oppose chain migration?

Why should anyone be for it? Why should someone get an immigrant visa simply because he's the uncle of some other guy who migrated here earlier?

I'm against all migration unless we're talking about someone's wife or kids. Otherwise, there's no reason for it. Every immigrant takes an American job. We don't need any more people here. The country is full.

Then petition to reduce the number of people who can become citizens.

not everyone who applies is automatically accepted for citizenship.

You miss the point. Not everyone should have to apply just to be here. Neither should we allow the government to extend the privileges / immunities / benefits of citizenship to non-citizens.

 

[Liquid Reigns]

If they didn't enter via a port of entry to get their federal I-94 then those who entered improperly aren't entitled to one and need to be removed from this country. SHRUG

How much does that cost? We have a Commerce Clause. Illegals should be paying a fine for entering illegally, and pay the usual fee for a federal id for foreigners in the US.

The I-94 doesn't cost anything, it is an arrival and departure record that the foreign national is to keep on their person at all times while here along with their passport.

Improper Entry does have a fine, along with a criminal record and jail sentence, all before being removed.

it doesn't work; Any recidivism is proof of that. why waste good money on bad, right wingers?

Id them, fine them if here illegally, have them pay the fee for a regular id with current information, and let them continue pursuing Happiness in our Republic.

Illegal border crossing has been reduced due to jailing them, we now have less recidivism by them. They are being ID'ed for removal, fined and jailed. They have ID, their countries ID card or they can go to their embassy here and get ID from their country of origin. Whats wrong with them pursuing happiness in their home nation?

it still costs money; we need a better energy grid, not a wall.

illegal immigration cannot be very important, because we can lower taxes like usual and customary, for real times of Commerce, not real times of urgency.

Everything costs money, its cheaper to keep them out verse paying for them to be here since they can't cover their own costs. SHRUG

The tax bill has nothing to do with immigration. Sorry, your strawman hyperbole is just that, now go burn him down. SMFH

 

[danielpalos]

Chain migration. That's going to end.

Why would anyone oppose chain migration?

Why should anyone be for it? Why should someone get an immigrant visa simply because he's the uncle of some other guy who migrated here earlier?

I'm against all migration unless we're talking about someone's wife or kids. Otherwise, there's no reason for it. Every immigrant takes an American job. We don't need any more people here. The country is full.

Then petition to reduce the number of people who can become citizens.

not everyone who applies is automatically accepted for citizenship.

You miss the point. Not everyone should have to apply just to be here. Neither should we allow the government to extend the privileges / immunities / benefits of citizenship to non-citizens.

Every foreign national in the US should have a federal id.

Fines and fees can offer market based metrics.

The right wing prefers their socialism on a national basis to applied capitalism, at every opportunity.

 

[DrLove]

More unadulterated BS

Cost of Illegal Immigrants - FactCheck.org

Thanks for the link. It's one of thr most comprehensive rebuttals of RW nonesense I've seen.

Not hard to debunk a Trumpling - it's all a matter of straight up search term, or one that gives you the results you were looking for. You know, BriteFart, Infowars, TruePundit, DailyCaller, etc etc etc.

They are quite transparent, and I also suspect that we have Russian trolls in our midst!