Trump will not use term 'two states' during meeting with PM

[frigidweirdo]

US President Donald Trump will not use the term 'two states' during his meeting with Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu this Wednesday, White House sources reported.

The sources also said that Trump wants to be the President who achieves peace between Israel and its Arab neighbors. The report by Channel 10 also stated that Trump would not pressure Netanyahu regarding construction in Judea and Samaria.

Prime Minister Netanyahu faced pressure to freeze all construction over the 1949 armistice lines during his first meeting with former US President Barack Obama in the White House in 2009.

Prime Minister Netanyahu took off today for his meeting with President Trump. The Prime Minister is expected to land in Washington DC tonight. Tomorrow he will meet with Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, and on Wednesday he will meet with President Trump.

As he boarded his plane to Washington DC, Netanyahu said: "I'm going to Washington to have a very important meeting with President Trump. I'll also be meeting with Vice President Pence, with Secretary of State Tillerson and with Republican leaders and Democratic leaders on Capitol Hill."

"The alliance between Israel and America has always been extremely strong. It's about to get even stronger. President Trump and I see eye to eye on the dangers emanating from the region but also on the opportunities. And we'll talk about both, as well as upgrading the relations between Israel and the United States in many, many fields."

Trump will not use term 'two states' during meeting with PM

This is consistent with the fact that at Trump's behest the Republican platform did not endorse two states for the first time in years.

If Trump looked at history, he'd see that achieving peace isn't going to happen because it's not in the interests of the right in Israel and it's not in the interests of the right in Palestine.

Both de jure an de facto peace has already been achieved. De jure peace was achieved by treaty between Israel and the PLO and de facto peace has been achieved by Israeli security forces. When people talk about achieving peace between Israel and the Palestinians, they are either ignorant of the facts or trying to use a fictional conflict to add a sense of urgency to creating a Palestinian state.

And yet there isn't peace. The region is just waiting for the next war to happen, Palestinians are getting a raw deal massively and there are still millions of people in camps because they have no home.

Not one word of your post is true. There is peace in all the areas in which Israel provides security, including area C. The homicide rate in these areas is less than half the homicide rate in the US. No Arab countries are preparing for war with Israel. The Arabs are getting a raw deal from their corrupt, incompetent leaders, not from Israel. The homeless people in Gaza are suffering because their corrupt, incompetent leaders chose to go to war with Israel, and the homeless people in Judea and Samaria are suffering because the EU encourages them to build illegally, knowing full well these homes will be demolished, for propaganda purposes.

Peace in all areas huh?

Palestine: Hamas elects new leader in uncertain time

"Hamdan, the Hamas foreign-policy chief, said the group would not be affected by the new US policy and would persist with all forms of resistance to Israeli occupation until statehood was achieved.

Asked if resistance means just engaging in military confrontations with Israel, Hamdan said: "That's only a part of it, and only if we are attacked first.

"Resistance for us could be peaceful one such as boycotting Israeli consumer products, challenging Israel legally and defending ourselves militarily should Israel attacks us."

On whether Hamas is willing to engage in peace talks with the Israeli government to reach a peace deal, the officials said: "Talking peace with the Israeli, under the current conditions, is futile.""

Doesn't sound like peace to me.

Hamas just made a convicted terrorist its new leader – and you're worried about Jewish settlers?

From the opposite side:

"
Hamas just made a convicted terrorist its new leader – and you're worried about Jewish settlers?"

Inflammatory talk, seeing as he was convicted by the Israelis, it hardly means much. Though it's hardly peace, is it?

Israel warns Hezbollah after threats to hit reactor

"
Israel warns Hezbollah after threats to hit reactor"

Hezbollah says Trump-Netanyahu meet signalled end to Israeli-Palestinian negotiations

"
Hezbollah says Trump-Netanyahu meet signalled end to Israeli-Palestinian negotiations"

What do you think happens now that negotiations have stopped? You think Hamas and Hezbollah are going to sit around and watch as Israel starts acting like it did under Bush/Sharon? Seriously the amount of violence under Bush/Sharon increased massively, and it'll probably happen again if Trump allows Israel to do what it likes.

This isn't peace, this is a tinderbox waiting to go up in flames.

Israel having a murder rate half of the US's is neither here nor there, EVERY first world country has a murder rate at least half that of the US, if not a quarter.

 

[Indeependent]

wholly controlled by Jews

I LOVE the sound of that ... get used to it.

Used to what? I am a European Roman Catholic, lol.

Who doesn't believe the Torah is real.
Which makes you a heretic.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Of course he knows what is going on in Israel. He is the best judge, having lived under Apartheid. However, even white South Africans are good judges:

South African Nobelist Coetzee on Israel and apartheid: ‘Draw your own conclusions’ - See more at: South African Nobelist Coetzee on Israel and apartheid: ‘Draw your own conclusions’

lol He knows a lot about South Africa but nothing at all about Israel except that it is politically popular to bash Israel in South Africa.

 

[montelatici]

As a Christian I believe the Torah is a fairy tale and obsolete.

Hebrews 8:13

"By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear."

 

[montelatici]

Of course he knows what is going on in Israel. He is the best judge, having lived under Apartheid. However, even white South Africans are good judges:

South African Nobelist Coetzee on Israel and apartheid: ‘Draw your own conclusions’ - See more at: South African Nobelist Coetzee on Israel and apartheid: ‘Draw your own conclusions’

lol He knows a lot about South Africa but nothing at all about Israel except that it is politically popular to bash Israel in South Africa.

No, South Africans that lived under Apartheid know that Israel is an Apartheid state. They obviously know.

 

[toomuchtime_]

US President Donald Trump will not use the term 'two states' during his meeting with Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu this Wednesday, White House sources reported.

The sources also said that Trump wants to be the President who achieves peace between Israel and its Arab neighbors. The report by Channel 10 also stated that Trump would not pressure Netanyahu regarding construction in Judea and Samaria.

Prime Minister Netanyahu faced pressure to freeze all construction over the 1949 armistice lines during his first meeting with former US President Barack Obama in the White House in 2009.

Prime Minister Netanyahu took off today for his meeting with President Trump. The Prime Minister is expected to land in Washington DC tonight. Tomorrow he will meet with Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, and on Wednesday he will meet with President Trump.

As he boarded his plane to Washington DC, Netanyahu said: "I'm going to Washington to have a very important meeting with President Trump. I'll also be meeting with Vice President Pence, with Secretary of State Tillerson and with Republican leaders and Democratic leaders on Capitol Hill."

"The alliance between Israel and America has always been extremely strong. It's about to get even stronger. President Trump and I see eye to eye on the dangers emanating from the region but also on the opportunities. And we'll talk about both, as well as upgrading the relations between Israel and the United States in many, many fields."

Trump will not use term 'two states' during meeting with PM

This is consistent with the fact that at Trump's behest the Republican platform did not endorse two states for the first time in years.

If Trump looked at history, he'd see that achieving peace isn't going to happen because it's not in the interests of the right in Israel and it's not in the interests of the right in Palestine.

Both de jure an de facto peace has already been achieved. De jure peace was achieved by treaty between Israel and the PLO and de facto peace has been achieved by Israeli security forces. When people talk about achieving peace between Israel and the Palestinians, they are either ignorant of the facts or trying to use a fictional conflict to add a sense of urgency to creating a Palestinian state.

And yet there isn't peace. The region is just waiting for the next war to happen, Palestinians are getting a raw deal massively and there are still millions of people in camps because they have no home.

Not one word of your post is true. There is peace in all the areas in which Israel provides security, including area C. The homicide rate in these areas is less than half the homicide rate in the US. No Arab countries are preparing for war with Israel. The Arabs are getting a raw deal from their corrupt, incompetent leaders, not from Israel. The homeless people in Gaza are suffering because their corrupt, incompetent leaders chose to go to war with Israel, and the homeless people in Judea and Samaria are suffering because the EU encourages them to build illegally, knowing full well these homes will be demolished, for propaganda purposes.

Peace in all areas huh?

Palestine: Hamas elects new leader in uncertain time

"Hamdan, the Hamas foreign-policy chief, said the group would not be affected by the new US policy and would persist with all forms of resistance to Israeli occupation until statehood was achieved.

Asked if resistance means just engaging in military confrontations with Israel, Hamdan said: "That's only a part of it, and only if we are attacked first.

"Resistance for us could be peaceful one such as boycotting Israeli consumer products, challenging Israel legally and defending ourselves militarily should Israel attacks us."

On whether Hamas is willing to engage in peace talks with the Israeli government to reach a peace deal, the officials said: "Talking peace with the Israeli, under the current conditions, is futile.""

Doesn't sound like peace to me.

Hamas just made a convicted terrorist its new leader – and you're worried about Jewish settlers?

From the opposite side:

"
Hamas just made a convicted terrorist its new leader – and you're worried about Jewish settlers?"

Inflammatory talk, seeing as he was convicted by the Israelis, it hardly means much. Though it's hardly peace, is it?

Israel warns Hezbollah after threats to hit reactor

"
Israel warns Hezbollah after threats to hit reactor"

Hezbollah says Trump-Netanyahu meet signalled end to Israeli-Palestinian negotiations

"
Hezbollah says Trump-Netanyahu meet signalled end to Israeli-Palestinian negotiations"

What do you think happens now that negotiations have stopped? You think Hamas and Hezbollah are going to sit around and watch as Israel starts acting like it did under Bush/Sharon? Seriously the amount of violence under Bush/Sharon increased massively, and it'll probably happen again if Trump allows Israel to do what it likes.

This isn't peace, this is a tinderbox waiting to go up in flames.

Israel having a murder rate half of the US's is neither here nor there, EVERY first world country has a murder rate at least half that of the US, if not a quarter.

Yes, there is peace. Just as there is peace between Iran and some other countries and the US, there is peace in all the areas under Israeli jurisdiction. It is safer to live in Israel, including Israel's communities in Judea and Samaria than it is to live in Chicago and other US cities.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Of course he knows what is going on in Israel. He is the best judge, having lived under Apartheid. However, even white South Africans are good judges:

South African Nobelist Coetzee on Israel and apartheid: ‘Draw your own conclusions’ - See more at: South African Nobelist Coetzee on Israel and apartheid: ‘Draw your own conclusions’

lol He knows a lot about South Africa but nothing at all about Israel except that it is politically popular to bash Israel in South Africa.

No, South Africans that lived under Apartheid know that Israel is an Apartheid state. They obviously know.

Like you, they know nothing about Israel.

 

[Indeependent]

As a Christian I believe the Torah is a fairy tale and obsolete.

Hebrews 8:13

"By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear."

You are a heretic because you have to deny the many references to the Torah and Prophets.

 

[montelatici]

You are a heretic because you are not a Christian.

Hebrews 8:13

"By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear."

 

[Indeependent]

You are a heretic because you are not a Christian.

Hebrews 8:13

"By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear."

Google "covenant" and see for yourself how little you know.
You probably have an edited version of TNT.

 

[fncceo]

will soon disappear."

We've been around 2,000 years since the heretic Jew you worship got himself crucified by the Romans. And since we just bought your trailer park, we're not going anywhere soon. The rent is due on the 1st of each month.

 

[frigidweirdo]

If Trump looked at history, he'd see that achieving peace isn't going to happen because it's not in the interests of the right in Israel and it's not in the interests of the right in Palestine.

Both de jure an de facto peace has already been achieved. De jure peace was achieved by treaty between Israel and the PLO and de facto peace has been achieved by Israeli security forces. When people talk about achieving peace between Israel and the Palestinians, they are either ignorant of the facts or trying to use a fictional conflict to add a sense of urgency to creating a Palestinian state.

And yet there isn't peace. The region is just waiting for the next war to happen, Palestinians are getting a raw deal massively and there are still millions of people in camps because they have no home.

Not one word of your post is true. There is peace in all the areas in which Israel provides security, including area C. The homicide rate in these areas is less than half the homicide rate in the US. No Arab countries are preparing for war with Israel. The Arabs are getting a raw deal from their corrupt, incompetent leaders, not from Israel. The homeless people in Gaza are suffering because their corrupt, incompetent leaders chose to go to war with Israel, and the homeless people in Judea and Samaria are suffering because the EU encourages them to build illegally, knowing full well these homes will be demolished, for propaganda purposes.

Peace in all areas huh?

Palestine: Hamas elects new leader in uncertain time

"Hamdan, the Hamas foreign-policy chief, said the group would not be affected by the new US policy and would persist with all forms of resistance to Israeli occupation until statehood was achieved.

Asked if resistance means just engaging in military confrontations with Israel, Hamdan said: "That's only a part of it, and only if we are attacked first.

"Resistance for us could be peaceful one such as boycotting Israeli consumer products, challenging Israel legally and defending ourselves militarily should Israel attacks us."

On whether Hamas is willing to engage in peace talks with the Israeli government to reach a peace deal, the officials said: "Talking peace with the Israeli, under the current conditions, is futile.""

Doesn't sound like peace to me.

Hamas just made a convicted terrorist its new leader – and you're worried about Jewish settlers?

From the opposite side:

"
Hamas just made a convicted terrorist its new leader – and you're worried about Jewish settlers?"

Inflammatory talk, seeing as he was convicted by the Israelis, it hardly means much. Though it's hardly peace, is it?

Israel warns Hezbollah after threats to hit reactor

"
Israel warns Hezbollah after threats to hit reactor"

Hezbollah says Trump-Netanyahu meet signalled end to Israeli-Palestinian negotiations

"
Hezbollah says Trump-Netanyahu meet signalled end to Israeli-Palestinian negotiations"

What do you think happens now that negotiations have stopped? You think Hamas and Hezbollah are going to sit around and watch as Israel starts acting like it did under Bush/Sharon? Seriously the amount of violence under Bush/Sharon increased massively, and it'll probably happen again if Trump allows Israel to do what it likes.

This isn't peace, this is a tinderbox waiting to go up in flames.

Israel having a murder rate half of the US's is neither here nor there, EVERY first world country has a murder rate at least half that of the US, if not a quarter.

Yes, there is peace. Just as there is peace between Iran and some other countries and the US, there is peace in all the areas under Israeli jurisdiction. It is safer to live in Israel, including Israel's communities in Judea and Samaria than it is to live in Chicago and other US cities.

Well, your idea of peace and mine are different. There's no WAR going on right now, but that's never too far away.

Just because it's safer to live in some places in Israel than in some places in the US, doesn't mean there's peace, that's bad logic. It's safer in some parts of the DRC, the Ukraine, South Korea etc than there is in cities in the US, that doesn't mean there's peace there.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Both de jure an de facto peace has already been achieved. De jure peace was achieved by treaty between Israel and the PLO and de facto peace has been achieved by Israeli security forces. When people talk about achieving peace between Israel and the Palestinians, they are either ignorant of the facts or trying to use a fictional conflict to add a sense of urgency to creating a Palestinian state.

And yet there isn't peace. The region is just waiting for the next war to happen, Palestinians are getting a raw deal massively and there are still millions of people in camps because they have no home.

Not one word of your post is true. There is peace in all the areas in which Israel provides security, including area C. The homicide rate in these areas is less than half the homicide rate in the US. No Arab countries are preparing for war with Israel. The Arabs are getting a raw deal from their corrupt, incompetent leaders, not from Israel. The homeless people in Gaza are suffering because their corrupt, incompetent leaders chose to go to war with Israel, and the homeless people in Judea and Samaria are suffering because the EU encourages them to build illegally, knowing full well these homes will be demolished, for propaganda purposes.

Peace in all areas huh?

Palestine: Hamas elects new leader in uncertain time

"Hamdan, the Hamas foreign-policy chief, said the group would not be affected by the new US policy and would persist with all forms of resistance to Israeli occupation until statehood was achieved.

Asked if resistance means just engaging in military confrontations with Israel, Hamdan said: "That's only a part of it, and only if we are attacked first.

"Resistance for us could be peaceful one such as boycotting Israeli consumer products, challenging Israel legally and defending ourselves militarily should Israel attacks us."

On whether Hamas is willing to engage in peace talks with the Israeli government to reach a peace deal, the officials said: "Talking peace with the Israeli, under the current conditions, is futile.""

Doesn't sound like peace to me.

Hamas just made a convicted terrorist its new leader – and you're worried about Jewish settlers?

From the opposite side:

"
Hamas just made a convicted terrorist its new leader – and you're worried about Jewish settlers?"

Inflammatory talk, seeing as he was convicted by the Israelis, it hardly means much. Though it's hardly peace, is it?

Israel warns Hezbollah after threats to hit reactor

"
Israel warns Hezbollah after threats to hit reactor"

Hezbollah says Trump-Netanyahu meet signalled end to Israeli-Palestinian negotiations

"
Hezbollah says Trump-Netanyahu meet signalled end to Israeli-Palestinian negotiations"

What do you think happens now that negotiations have stopped? You think Hamas and Hezbollah are going to sit around and watch as Israel starts acting like it did under Bush/Sharon? Seriously the amount of violence under Bush/Sharon increased massively, and it'll probably happen again if Trump allows Israel to do what it likes.

This isn't peace, this is a tinderbox waiting to go up in flames.

Israel having a murder rate half of the US's is neither here nor there, EVERY first world country has a murder rate at least half that of the US, if not a quarter.

Yes, there is peace. Just as there is peace between Iran and some other countries and the US, there is peace in all the areas under Israeli jurisdiction. It is safer to live in Israel, including Israel's communities in Judea and Samaria than it is to live in Chicago and other US cities.

Well, your idea of peace and mine are different. There's no WAR going on right now, but that's never too far away.

Just because it's safer to live in some places in Israel than in some places in the US, doesn't mean there's peace, that's bad logic. It's safer in some parts of the DRC, the Ukraine, South Korea etc than there is in cities in the US, that doesn't mean there's peace there.

Overall, the homicide rate in Israel, including the Israeli communities in Judea and Samarai is less than half the homicide rate in the US. Israel is not at war with any country and the PLO signed an agreement back in the 1990's pledging peace with Israel. Hamas is a wild card, but even during the battles between Israel and Hamas, it was still safer, overall, to live in Israel, including the communities in Judea and Samaria than to live in the US. There is peace in Israel, both de facto and de jure.

 

[frigidweirdo]

And yet there isn't peace. The region is just waiting for the next war to happen, Palestinians are getting a raw deal massively and there are still millions of people in camps because they have no home.

Not one word of your post is true. There is peace in all the areas in which Israel provides security, including area C. The homicide rate in these areas is less than half the homicide rate in the US. No Arab countries are preparing for war with Israel. The Arabs are getting a raw deal from their corrupt, incompetent leaders, not from Israel. The homeless people in Gaza are suffering because their corrupt, incompetent leaders chose to go to war with Israel, and the homeless people in Judea and Samaria are suffering because the EU encourages them to build illegally, knowing full well these homes will be demolished, for propaganda purposes.

Peace in all areas huh?

Palestine: Hamas elects new leader in uncertain time

"Hamdan, the Hamas foreign-policy chief, said the group would not be affected by the new US policy and would persist with all forms of resistance to Israeli occupation until statehood was achieved.

Asked if resistance means just engaging in military confrontations with Israel, Hamdan said: "That's only a part of it, and only if we are attacked first.

"Resistance for us could be peaceful one such as boycotting Israeli consumer products, challenging Israel legally and defending ourselves militarily should Israel attacks us."

On whether Hamas is willing to engage in peace talks with the Israeli government to reach a peace deal, the officials said: "Talking peace with the Israeli, under the current conditions, is futile.""

Doesn't sound like peace to me.

Hamas just made a convicted terrorist its new leader – and you're worried about Jewish settlers?

From the opposite side:

"
Hamas just made a convicted terrorist its new leader – and you're worried about Jewish settlers?"

Inflammatory talk, seeing as he was convicted by the Israelis, it hardly means much. Though it's hardly peace, is it?

Israel warns Hezbollah after threats to hit reactor

"
Israel warns Hezbollah after threats to hit reactor"

Hezbollah says Trump-Netanyahu meet signalled end to Israeli-Palestinian negotiations

"
Hezbollah says Trump-Netanyahu meet signalled end to Israeli-Palestinian negotiations"

What do you think happens now that negotiations have stopped? You think Hamas and Hezbollah are going to sit around and watch as Israel starts acting like it did under Bush/Sharon? Seriously the amount of violence under Bush/Sharon increased massively, and it'll probably happen again if Trump allows Israel to do what it likes.

This isn't peace, this is a tinderbox waiting to go up in flames.

Israel having a murder rate half of the US's is neither here nor there, EVERY first world country has a murder rate at least half that of the US, if not a quarter.

Yes, there is peace. Just as there is peace between Iran and some other countries and the US, there is peace in all the areas under Israeli jurisdiction. It is safer to live in Israel, including Israel's communities in Judea and Samaria than it is to live in Chicago and other US cities.

Well, your idea of peace and mine are different. There's no WAR going on right now, but that's never too far away.

Just because it's safer to live in some places in Israel than in some places in the US, doesn't mean there's peace, that's bad logic. It's safer in some parts of the DRC, the Ukraine, South Korea etc than there is in cities in the US, that doesn't mean there's peace there.

Overall, the homicide rate in Israel, including the Israeli communities in Judea and Samarai is less than half the homicide rate in the US. Israel is not at war with any country and the PLO signed an agreement back in the 1990's pledging peace with Israel. Hamas is a wild card, but even during the battles between Israel and Hamas, it was still safer, overall, to live in Israel, including the communities in Judea and Samaria than to live in the US. There is peace in Israel, both de facto and de jure.

So what? Homicide doesn't have anything to do with peace. It's like saying that a company produces apples, therefore they must have good orange trees.

We're talking about PEACE as in, two countries not at war with each other.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Not one word of your post is true. There is peace in all the areas in which Israel provides security, including area C. The homicide rate in these areas is less than half the homicide rate in the US. No Arab countries are preparing for war with Israel. The Arabs are getting a raw deal from their corrupt, incompetent leaders, not from Israel. The homeless people in Gaza are suffering because their corrupt, incompetent leaders chose to go to war with Israel, and the homeless people in Judea and Samaria are suffering because the EU encourages them to build illegally, knowing full well these homes will be demolished, for propaganda purposes.

Peace in all areas huh?

Palestine: Hamas elects new leader in uncertain time

"Hamdan, the Hamas foreign-policy chief, said the group would not be affected by the new US policy and would persist with all forms of resistance to Israeli occupation until statehood was achieved.

Asked if resistance means just engaging in military confrontations with Israel, Hamdan said: "That's only a part of it, and only if we are attacked first.

"Resistance for us could be peaceful one such as boycotting Israeli consumer products, challenging Israel legally and defending ourselves militarily should Israel attacks us."

On whether Hamas is willing to engage in peace talks with the Israeli government to reach a peace deal, the officials said: "Talking peace with the Israeli, under the current conditions, is futile.""

Doesn't sound like peace to me.

Hamas just made a convicted terrorist its new leader – and you're worried about Jewish settlers?

From the opposite side:

"
Hamas just made a convicted terrorist its new leader – and you're worried about Jewish settlers?"

Inflammatory talk, seeing as he was convicted by the Israelis, it hardly means much. Though it's hardly peace, is it?

Israel warns Hezbollah after threats to hit reactor

"
Israel warns Hezbollah after threats to hit reactor"

Hezbollah says Trump-Netanyahu meet signalled end to Israeli-Palestinian negotiations

"
Hezbollah says Trump-Netanyahu meet signalled end to Israeli-Palestinian negotiations"

What do you think happens now that negotiations have stopped? You think Hamas and Hezbollah are going to sit around and watch as Israel starts acting like it did under Bush/Sharon? Seriously the amount of violence under Bush/Sharon increased massively, and it'll probably happen again if Trump allows Israel to do what it likes.

This isn't peace, this is a tinderbox waiting to go up in flames.

Israel having a murder rate half of the US's is neither here nor there, EVERY first world country has a murder rate at least half that of the US, if not a quarter.

Yes, there is peace. Just as there is peace between Iran and some other countries and the US, there is peace in all the areas under Israeli jurisdiction. It is safer to live in Israel, including Israel's communities in Judea and Samaria than it is to live in Chicago and other US cities.

Well, your idea of peace and mine are different. There's no WAR going on right now, but that's never too far away.

Just because it's safer to live in some places in Israel than in some places in the US, doesn't mean there's peace, that's bad logic. It's safer in some parts of the DRC, the Ukraine, South Korea etc than there is in cities in the US, that doesn't mean there's peace there.

Overall, the homicide rate in Israel, including the Israeli communities in Judea and Samarai is less than half the homicide rate in the US. Israel is not at war with any country and the PLO signed an agreement back in the 1990's pledging peace with Israel. Hamas is a wild card, but even during the battles between Israel and Hamas, it was still safer, overall, to live in Israel, including the communities in Judea and Samaria than to live in the US. There is peace in Israel, both de facto and de jure.

So what? Homicide doesn't have anything to do with peace. It's like saying that a company produces apples, therefore they must have good orange trees.

We're talking about PEACE as in, two countries not at war with each other.

Ok, then Israel is not at war with any country and no country is likely to go to war against Israel, so by your definition of peace, Israel is at peace.

 

[rylah]

You are a heretic because you are not a Christian.

Hebrews 8:13

"By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear."

Google "covenant" and see for yourself how little you know.
You probably have an edited version of TNT.

Replacement theology has been debunked long long ago.
Christians don't usually study Hebrew, G-d forbid they realize Paul barely knew any Talmud or Hebrew at all.

However many Christians are actually beginning to repent and keep the 7 Noahide laws after realizing what the bible originally said, before the time when those who persecuted the first Christians decided to have a monopoly on 'everything Christian'.

Quiet an interesting subject if discussed politely.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Peace in all areas huh?

Palestine: Hamas elects new leader in uncertain time

"Hamdan, the Hamas foreign-policy chief, said the group would not be affected by the new US policy and would persist with all forms of resistance to Israeli occupation until statehood was achieved.

Asked if resistance means just engaging in military confrontations with Israel, Hamdan said: "That's only a part of it, and only if we are attacked first.

"Resistance for us could be peaceful one such as boycotting Israeli consumer products, challenging Israel legally and defending ourselves militarily should Israel attacks us."

On whether Hamas is willing to engage in peace talks with the Israeli government to reach a peace deal, the officials said: "Talking peace with the Israeli, under the current conditions, is futile.""

Doesn't sound like peace to me.

Hamas just made a convicted terrorist its new leader – and you're worried about Jewish settlers?

From the opposite side:

"
Hamas just made a convicted terrorist its new leader – and you're worried about Jewish settlers?"

Inflammatory talk, seeing as he was convicted by the Israelis, it hardly means much. Though it's hardly peace, is it?

Israel warns Hezbollah after threats to hit reactor

"
Israel warns Hezbollah after threats to hit reactor"

Hezbollah says Trump-Netanyahu meet signalled end to Israeli-Palestinian negotiations

"
Hezbollah says Trump-Netanyahu meet signalled end to Israeli-Palestinian negotiations"

What do you think happens now that negotiations have stopped? You think Hamas and Hezbollah are going to sit around and watch as Israel starts acting like it did under Bush/Sharon? Seriously the amount of violence under Bush/Sharon increased massively, and it'll probably happen again if Trump allows Israel to do what it likes.

This isn't peace, this is a tinderbox waiting to go up in flames.

Israel having a murder rate half of the US's is neither here nor there, EVERY first world country has a murder rate at least half that of the US, if not a quarter.

Yes, there is peace. Just as there is peace between Iran and some other countries and the US, there is peace in all the areas under Israeli jurisdiction. It is safer to live in Israel, including Israel's communities in Judea and Samaria than it is to live in Chicago and other US cities.

Well, your idea of peace and mine are different. There's no WAR going on right now, but that's never too far away.

Just because it's safer to live in some places in Israel than in some places in the US, doesn't mean there's peace, that's bad logic. It's safer in some parts of the DRC, the Ukraine, South Korea etc than there is in cities in the US, that doesn't mean there's peace there.

Overall, the homicide rate in Israel, including the Israeli communities in Judea and Samarai is less than half the homicide rate in the US. Israel is not at war with any country and the PLO signed an agreement back in the 1990's pledging peace with Israel. Hamas is a wild card, but even during the battles between Israel and Hamas, it was still safer, overall, to live in Israel, including the communities in Judea and Samaria than to live in the US. There is peace in Israel, both de facto and de jure.

So what? Homicide doesn't have anything to do with peace. It's like saying that a company produces apples, therefore they must have good orange trees.

We're talking about PEACE as in, two countries not at war with each other.

Ok, then Israel is not at war with any country and no country is likely to go to war against Israel, so by your definition of peace, Israel is at peace.

No, if you try and make everything simplistic you won't come to the right conclusion. What is war? North Korea and South Korea are at war, officially. However there hasn't been much fighting going on for decades. However other countries see fighting all the time but aren't officially at war. In Israel, for example, this is the case, not all war is done by physical fighting. Israel making new settlements is basically a part of their war.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Israel making new settlements is basically a part of their war.

Indeed, settler colonialism, by its nature, is an aggressive act. People do not get displaced voluntarily. Aggression is necessary.

 

[Hollie]

Israel making new settlements is basically a part of their war.

Indeed, settler colonialism, by its nature, is an aggressive act. People do not get displaced voluntarily. Aggression is necessary.

Indeed, Islamic settler colonialism in the geographic area of Pal'istan mirrors the history of war, rapine that conquest that defines Islamist history.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

As a Christian I believe the Torah is a fairy tale and obsolete.

Hebrews 8:13

"By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear."

There is a difference between "obsolete" and a "fairy tale." Are you saying that your old covenant was replaced by your new covenant? Or are you saying that the events of the OT, which are referenced throughout the NT, never happened at all? (Although that subject is beyond the scope of this Board.)