Trump says torture works

[there4eyeM]

Jesus wants people tortured?

Post # 10 introduced the New Testament. Who is the central character of that work?

 

[Pogo]

privileged snob who paints himself orange every day, had everything handed to him all his life, has zero military experience and has never even held a job in his life.

Except for the orange part -- that's Obama to a tee.

Ummmm.... really. O'bama had everything handed to him all his life did he? His dad handed him a hundred million bucks and a firsthand education on how to scam the government while banning black people from his apartments? Do tell.

You're losing it.
You must really be angry because it shows in your hyperbole.
His father gave him $1 million in seed money, not $100 million. Obama would waste that money on vacations and bath houses. Trump invested it.

Estimates range from 40 to 200, and no it wasn't "seed money", it was his entire operation.

Fred was worth 250 to 300 million when he died. Where'd it all go? Did the FHA come in and take back what he ripped off?

 

[Pogo]

Zackly. First thing I thought was, who would know better about criminal and ineffective interrogation methods than a 70 year old privileged snob who paints himself orange every day, had everything handed to him all his life, has zero military experience and has never even held a job in his life.

On the other hand he does like to flood the Twitterworld at three in the morning and that's a kind of torture so maybe in a sense he's right.

Since when has running a global corporation become not having a job?

Ask Rump. He'll tell you right out --- "I was the Chairman but I didn't run the company". And/or "I just licensed my name".

Nope, that ain't in any way a "job". What I mean by having a job is to go and compete for a position, with other competitors, KNOWING you may or may not get the gig, asking for the position. And then if you do get the gig, having to meet somebody else's expectations, day in/day out, whether you feel like it or not, all the while KNOWING that if you don't meet somebody else's expectations you can lose the gig.

Rump has never in his life been anywhere near smelling distance of anything remotely resembling that, ever. Never had to meet anybody else's expectations at all, including military service. Nothing. Zero. And that's because he's a privileged asshole who's had everything handed to him for doing absolutely nothing. And it's gone on so long that now he expects it.

And those two quotes above are what he trots out relentlessly any time he's questioned about a bankruptcy here or a business failure there. It's the same pattern, over and over and over and over and over, of never taking responsibility for anything.

 

[Old Rocks]

B.B.C. just showed an interview with Trump where he states the above and will discuss with various advisers re-instituting "waterboarding", etc.

Yea? So what?

You have a problem with terrorists potentially getting waterboarded by trained interrogators?

Same problem that General Mattis has.

 

[Old Rocks]

B.B.C. just showed an interview with Trump where he states the above and will discuss with various advisers re-instituting "waterboarding", etc.

Just ask John(the canary) McCain.

Vietnam Veterans Speak Out About John 'Songbird' McCain [Revealing Video]

John ‘songbird’ McCain, the so called ‘war hero’ not only buried information about POWs left behind in Vietnam, he lied about what happened to him. The group ‘Vietnam Veterans Against McCain’ speaks openly about McCain’s so called heroism as a POW in the Vietnam conflict.

Look, cocksuck, you never were and never will be half the man that John McCain was and still is. He suffered beyond anything that you would understand, or be able to endure, for his service to his nation.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Zackly. First thing I thought was, who would know better about criminal and ineffective interrogation methods than a 70 year old privileged snob who paints himself orange every day, had everything handed to him all his life, has zero military experience and has never even held a job in his life.

On the other hand he does like to flood the Twitterworld at three in the morning and that's a kind of torture so maybe in a sense he's right.

Since when has running a global corporation become not having a job?

Ask Rump. He'll tell you right out --- "I was the Chairman but I didn't run the company". And/or "I just licensed my name".

Nope, that ain't in any way a "job". What I mean by having a job is to go and compete for a position, with other competitors, KNOWING you may or may not get the gig, asking for the position. And then if you do get the gig, having to meet somebody else's expectations, day in/day out, whether you feel like it or not, all the while KNOWING that if you don't meet somebody else's expectations you can lose the gig.

Rump has never in his life been anywhere near smelling distance of anything remotely resembling that, ever. Never had to meet anybody else's expectations at all, including military service. Nothing. Zero. And that's because he's a privileged asshole who's had everything handed to him for doing absolutely nothing. And it's gone on so long that now he expects it.

And those two quotes above are what he trots out relentlessly any time he's questioned about a bankruptcy here or a business failure there. It's the same pattern, over and over and over and over and over, of never taking responsibility for anything.

"OBAMA" had never in his life been anywhere near smelling distance of anything remotely resembling that, ever. Never had to meet anybody else's expectations at all, including military service. Nothing. Zero. And that's because he's a privileged asshole who's had everything handed to him for doing absolutely nothing. And it's gone on so long that now he expects it.

Funny how you can fill in the name Trump with Obama and the results are very similar for a community agitator, who never in his entire life ran a business. Yep, without double standards, liberals would have no standards at all.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

B.B.C. just showed an interview with Trump where he states the above and will discuss with various advisers re-instituting "waterboarding", etc.

Just ask John(the canary) McCain.

Vietnam Veterans Speak Out About John 'Songbird' McCain [Revealing Video]

John ‘songbird’ McCain, the so called ‘war hero’ not only buried information about POWs left behind in Vietnam, he lied about what happened to him. The group ‘Vietnam Veterans Against McCain’ speaks openly about McCain’s so called heroism as a POW in the Vietnam conflict.

Look, cocksuck, you never were and never will be half the man that John McCain was and still is. He suffered beyond anything that you would understand, or be able to endure, for his service to his nation.

After I spent 9 1/2 years of service protecting your sorry ass from being taken over by the United Soviet Socialist Republic and losing all your freedoms, I had much respect for John McCain, until he went rogue in the Republican Party(always reaching across the aisle) and screwed over the US citizens with his liberal policies, then hide behind his service so no one could attack him. The "Maverick" is like John F'ing Kerry(who won 3 purple hearts) a traitor to his country. I bet you think Ssgt Bergdahl is a hero also?

The REAL John McCain - Bully, Traitor, Liar, Adulterer and Warmongering Criminal (with videos) >> Four Winds 10 - Truth Winds

McCain’s 5½-year stay at the Hanoi Hilton (officially Hoa Loa Prison) has ever since been the subject of great controversy. He maintains that he was tortured and otherwise badly mistreated. One of many who disagree is Dennis Johnson, imprisoned at Hanoi and never given treatment for his broken leg. He reports that every time he saw McCain, who was generally kept segregated, the man was clean-shaven, dressed in fresh clothes, and appeared comfortable among North Vietnamese Army officers. He adds that he frequently heard McCain’s collaborative statements broadcast over the prison’s loud speakers.

 

[yiostheoy]

B.B.C. just showed an interview with Trump where he states the above and will discuss with various advisers re-instituting "waterboarding", etc.

This is currently all over the news.

I agree that torture works, but I believe in slow debilitating torture such as deprivation of food sleep and warmth.

Waterboarding invades the lungs and could be fatal. Any method that disfigures or risks death is unsound.

You want to keep the rat alive so he/she can divulge information.

So I disagree over the use of waterboarding -- it should not be done.

 

[Bush92]

B.B.C. just showed an interview with Trump where he states the above and will discuss with various advisers re-instituting "waterboarding", etc.

Make them eat pork.

 

[Bush92]

Honestly, a bullet to the head works best of all.

 

[mudwhistle]

B.B.C. just showed an interview with Trump where he states the above and will discuss with various advisers re-instituting "waterboarding", etc.

There's the lie.
He's discussing with them which techniques work, be it waterboarding, the Democrats sacred cow, or some other method.
I prefer sleep-deprivation personally. It takes more time but is just as effective.

 

[Fang]

B.B.C. just showed an interview with Trump where he states the above and will discuss with various advisers re-instituting "waterboarding", etc.

The rest of the story is Trump said he would defer to General Mattis and CIA Director Mike Pompeo on such matters. Both are not in favor of waterboarding. Trump went on to say that he talked with intelligence leaders who told him that waterboarding and other torture does work.

Trump: Torture ‘Absolutely’ Works, But I’ll Defer to Mattis, Pompeo

 

[JakeStarkey]

Mattis is, in the sense of his subordinates, the unbreakable buffer between Trump and anyone having to be called on to torture.

 

[there4eyeM]

Trump is on record (and was asked by the interviewer) as approving 'worse' than 'just' waterboarding. But, what are we discussing here? The so-called leader of the 'Free World' talking this way about torture as an officially approved practice!

 

[there4eyeM]

Individuals should refuse to execute orders that are illegal.

 

[Pogo]

Zackly. First thing I thought was, who would know better about criminal and ineffective interrogation methods than a 70 year old privileged snob who paints himself orange every day, had everything handed to him all his life, has zero military experience and has never even held a job in his life.

On the other hand he does like to flood the Twitterworld at three in the morning and that's a kind of torture so maybe in a sense he's right.

Since when has running a global corporation become not having a job?

Ask Rump. He'll tell you right out --- "I was the Chairman but I didn't run the company". And/or "I just licensed my name".

Nope, that ain't in any way a "job". What I mean by having a job is to go and compete for a position, with other competitors, KNOWING you may or may not get the gig, asking for the position. And then if you do get the gig, having to meet somebody else's expectations, day in/day out, whether you feel like it or not, all the while KNOWING that if you don't meet somebody else's expectations you can lose the gig.

Rump has never in his life been anywhere near smelling distance of anything remotely resembling that, ever. Never had to meet anybody else's expectations at all, including military service. Nothing. Zero. And that's because he's a privileged asshole who's had everything handed to him for doing absolutely nothing. And it's gone on so long that now he expects it.

And those two quotes above are what he trots out relentlessly any time he's questioned about a bankruptcy here or a business failure there. It's the same pattern, over and over and over and over and over, of never taking responsibility for anything.

"OBAMA" had never in his life been anywhere near smelling distance of anything remotely resembling that, ever. Never had to meet anybody else's expectations at all, including military service. Nothing. Zero. And that's because he's a privileged asshole who's had everything handed to him for doing absolutely nothing. And it's gone on so long that now he expects it.

Funny how you can fill in the name Trump with Obama and the results are very similar for a community agitator, who never in his entire life ran a business. Yep, without double standards, liberals would have no standards at all.

Aaaaaand Pogo's Law strikes again. That's another $1.99 on your tab.

Wassamatta? Topic inconvenient?

 

[Pogo]

Trump went on to say that he talked with intelligence leaders who told him that waterboarding and other torture does work.

Of course, consider the source --- same Bigly Cheeto that told us he saw "thousands and thousands" of middle eastern people on New Jersey rooftops cheering 9/11 and then mocked the disability of a reporter who wouldn't back up the fantasy.

 

[there4eyeM]

This is an example of the Commander In Chief addressing directly the troops and saying he approves of torturing suspects. Even if an officer tells soldiers, "Don't torture prisoners; it's illegal", it carries light weight. With wide spread use, widespread abuse can be expected.

 

[jasonnfree]

I think that anybody who advocates for water boarding should try it first. Jesse Ventura tells the story how he tried it and considered it torture. Clip below. Sez he'd have dick cheney confessing to the sharon tate murders after water boarding. Nice clip where he calls bush 2 the worst prez. I say yeah, after clinton and obama. Got hopes for Trump, although he maybe should try waterboarding before advocating for it. It is torture, which is illegal by international standards and it is unreliable.

Here....these men advocated for it 2 men who were Awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor and the other one, Admiral Stanton...look him up....all were actually tortured by the Vietnamese socialists....actual torture, they had bones broken and were beaten half to death...and what do they say...?


McCain’s fellow POWs support waterboarding

When I was researching my book, “Courting Disaster,” I interviewed many of them, including Col. Bud Day, who received our nation’s highest award for valor, the Medal of Honor, for his heroic escape from a North Vietnamese prison camp.

When Day was returned to the prison, his right arm was broken in three places and he had been shot in the hand and thigh during his capture. But he continued to resist interrogation and provide false information — suffering such excruciating torture that he became totally physically debilitated and unable to perform even the simplest task for himself. In short, Day is an expert on the subject of torture. Here is what he says about CIA waterboarding:

“I am a supporter of waterboarding. It is not torture. Torture is really hurting someone. Waterboarding is just scaring someone, with no long-term injurious effects. It is a scare tactic that works.”

I asked Day in an e-mail what he would say to the CIA officer who waterboarded Khalid Sheik Mohammed, if he had the chance to speak with him. Day replied immediately: “YOU DID THE RIGHT THING.”

And the other Congressional of Medal Awardee...also agrees......waterboarding is not torture.....

Like Day, Col. Leo Thorsness was awarded the Medal of Honor for extraordinary heroism during the Vietnam War. He experienced excruciating torture during his captivity — his back broken, his body wrenched apart. He says what the CIA did to al-Qaeda terrorists in its custody was not torture:

“To me, waterboarding is intensive interrogation. It is not torture. Torture involves extreme, brutal pain — breaking bones, passing out from pain, beatings so severe that blood spatters the walls . . . when you pop shoulders out of joints.. . . In my mind, there’s a difference, and in most POWs’ minds there’s a difference.. . . I would not hesitate a second to use ‘enhanced interrogation,’ including waterboarding, if it would save the lives of innocent people.”

And the most famous supporter of water boarding......

Another torture victim who supports waterboarding is Adm. Jeremiah Denton — the POW who famously winked the word “T-O-R-T-U-R-E” in Morse code during a North Vietnamese propaganda interview.

It was the first message to the outside world that American prisoners were being tortured. Denton later received the Navy Cross for this courageous and costly act of defiance, for which he paid dearly when his captors figured out what he had done. I asked Denton if he thought waterboarding was torture. He told me:

“No, I think it’s persuasive.. . . The big, monstrous difference here is that the gentlemen we are waterboarding are people who swore to kill Americans. They will wreak any kind of torture just for the hell of it on anybody. When they are captured by the U.S., and we know or have reason to believe that they know of a subsequent event after 9/11, if you don’t interrogate them, more misery will take place.. . . Waterboarding is not an evil. Some of the things they did to us were torture. I passed out a dozen times from torture. We’re not exerting that kind of excruciation.”

Waterboarding works.....which is why Democrats are against it. They fully support terrorism because terrorists support climate-change, which Democrats feel is a worse threat.

I think that anybody who advocates for water boarding should try it first. Jesse Ventura tells the story how he tried it and considered it torture. Clip below. Sez he'd have dick cheney confessing to the sharon tate murders after water boarding. Nice clip where he calls bush 2 the worst prez. I say yeah, after clinton and obama. Got hopes for Trump, although he maybe should try waterboarding before advocating for it. It is torture, which is illegal by international standards and it is unreliable.

Jesse had his hean slammed on the mat too many times. He's a conspiracy whack job. Sure you can make anyone say anything, the point is it has to be done intelligently, something beyond Jesse's scope.

I say if a leader advocates for torture, he should give it a try first. And the constitution does say no cruel and unusual punishment. Making someone confess and give you facts you want to hear is fairly easy. America should be better than that. And remember, these middle east wars we're in is all of our own making because of oil. It really does belong to the arabs to begin with. Remember Washington's advice, trade with everyone, don't get involved in foreign entanglements, etc.

and guys like you who bitch about oil in the middle east are the same types fighint using frakking over here that would make us energy independent...

You know, this country could have gotten by without the oil from the middle east. We would have had to pay more at the pump like the Europeans, but it would have been cheaper in the long run. And it's not like we didn't have plenty of oil here at the time. Look at how many trillions we've spent on wars over there as well as the security state that has been built here. And still, with no end in sight. Maybe without cheap oil, we might have built better mass transportation systems. Just saying, not 'bitching'.

 

[LuckyDuck]

B.B.C. just showed an interview with Trump where he states the above and will discuss with various advisers re-instituting "waterboarding", etc.

Hypothetical situation: Three terrorists manage to smuggle in a dirty bomb or, worse yet, a tactical nuke. Our government was able to locate and capture one of the terrorists; the other two are "in the wind" so to speak. Their trail has gone cold. All we know is that they are somewhere in the U.S. with this device and that if detonated, the city you and your loved ones live in, along with thousands and perhaps millions of other men, women, children and infants will be killed, or perhaps, it is in some other large metropolitan area. The only thing you have is one of the three terrorists. Let us hear your method of locating the other two as quickly as possible to save those you love or others from certain death. These terrorists might not necessarily be Muslim, perhaps they are North Korean agents or some other radical element.
My personal method would be to use whatever means available, including violent torture that "might" lead to getting to the other two agents before thousands or millions die. Remember, your wife, children, siblings, parents and others are counting on you to save them.