Trump says torture works

[there4eyeM]

Does Venezuela use torture?

 

[mudwhistle]

Yea? So what?

You have a problem with terrorists potentially getting waterboarded by trained interrogators?

It opens the door to legitimate armies waterboarding (or worse) our soldiers captured on the battlefield.

They do that already now. Even worse. International law doesn't apply to terrorists.

Yes…that is why I wrote “legitimate armies”.

We aren't at war with legitimate armies.

Not today.

Irrelevant.
History would teach the rational that even legit nations have committed war crimes that makes Water-boarding look like a trip to Disneyland. Remember Nanking, the Russian occupation of Berlin, The Bataan Deathmarch, the Holocaust, ethnic cleansing in Bosnia, Christian Genocide in the Middle East, ISIS torture, and war crimes in Aleppo Syria.

 

[there4eyeM]

The Iraq Invasion.

 

[candycorn]

It opens the door to legitimate armies waterboarding (or worse) our soldiers captured on the battlefield.

They do that already now. Even worse. International law doesn't apply to terrorists.

Yes…that is why I wrote “legitimate armies”.

We aren't at war with legitimate armies.

Not today.

Irrelevant.
History would teach the rational that even legit nations have committed war crimes that makes Water-boarding look like a trip to Disneyland. Remember Nanking, the Russian occupation of Berlin, The Bataan Deathmarch, the Holocaust, ethnic cleansing in Bosnia, Christian Genocide in the Middle East, ISIS torture, and war crimes in Aleppo Syria.

Yes, and the reason we can be astonished and feel rightfully indigent about Bataan is that we didn’t do that stuff. If you wish to join the ranks of Milosovich, Stalin, and Asaad….be our guest. That will make “America great again” to be sure—copying war criminals actions.

Really pal; you’re a fucking lunatic.

 

[2aguy]

I think some of the time torture works, some times it doesn't.

I part ways with Trump here, as far as reinstituting the use of torture.

He wants to waterboard, not torture.....

 

[2aguy]

Whatever 'liberals' may or may not want is hardly relative to me or to this subject. Trump wants torture. That is immoral and unAmerican.

It is not immoral....immoral is allowing innocent men, women and children to die and be maimed because you don't want to dribble water into the sinus cavities of the men who want to rape and murder those innocent people.....that is immoral....

If you have allergies, and use a sinus rinse bottle...like NielMed....that is all waterboarding is...it leaves no permanent damage, it is safe, and it makes them talk..........

 

[2aguy]

The headline that the world is reading says, "U.S. President favors torture", and no tidy little 'clarifications' are going to undo that enormous damage. This is in the overall, long term order of things and is not directly related to the recent news events about elections an 'who struck john', as my dad used to say. This is not piddling little peccadilloes; this is America saying something very grave to the world.

the terrorists respond to strength...he is showing that...they spread across the middle east thanks to obama's weakness...now they are going to be pushed back.

 

[2aguy]

I think that anybody who advocates for water boarding should try it first. Jesse Ventura tells the story how he tried it and considered it torture. Clip below. Sez he'd have dick cheney confessing to the sharon tate murders after water boarding. Nice clip where he calls bush 2 the worst prez. I say yeah, after clinton and obama. Got hopes for Trump, although he maybe should try waterboarding before advocating for it. It is torture, which is illegal by international standards and it is unreliable.

Here....these men advocated for it 2 men who were Awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor and the other one, Admiral Stanton...look him up....all were actually tortured by the Vietnamese socialists....actual torture, they had bones broken and were beaten half to death...and what do they say...?


McCain’s fellow POWs support waterboarding

When I was researching my book, “Courting Disaster,” I interviewed many of them, including Col. Bud Day, who received our nation’s highest award for valor, the Medal of Honor, for his heroic escape from a North Vietnamese prison camp.

When Day was returned to the prison, his right arm was broken in three places and he had been shot in the hand and thigh during his capture. But he continued to resist interrogation and provide false information — suffering such excruciating torture that he became totally physically debilitated and unable to perform even the simplest task for himself. In short, Day is an expert on the subject of torture. Here is what he says about CIA waterboarding:

“I am a supporter of waterboarding. It is not torture. Torture is really hurting someone. Waterboarding is just scaring someone, with no long-term injurious effects. It is a scare tactic that works.”

I asked Day in an e-mail what he would say to the CIA officer who waterboarded Khalid Sheik Mohammed, if he had the chance to speak with him. Day replied immediately: “YOU DID THE RIGHT THING.”

And the other Congressional of Medal Awardee...also agrees......waterboarding is not torture.....

Like Day, Col. Leo Thorsness was awarded the Medal of Honor for extraordinary heroism during the Vietnam War. He experienced excruciating torture during his captivity — his back broken, his body wrenched apart. He says what the CIA did to al-Qaeda terrorists in its custody was not torture:

“To me, waterboarding is intensive interrogation. It is not torture. Torture involves extreme, brutal pain — breaking bones, passing out from pain, beatings so severe that blood spatters the walls . . . when you pop shoulders out of joints.. . . In my mind, there’s a difference, and in most POWs’ minds there’s a difference.. . . I would not hesitate a second to use ‘enhanced interrogation,’ including waterboarding, if it would save the lives of innocent people.”

And the most famous supporter of water boarding......

Another torture victim who supports waterboarding is Adm. Jeremiah Denton — the POW who famously winked the word “T-O-R-T-U-R-E” in Morse code during a North Vietnamese propaganda interview.

It was the first message to the outside world that American prisoners were being tortured. Denton later received the Navy Cross for this courageous and costly act of defiance, for which he paid dearly when his captors figured out what he had done. I asked Denton if he thought waterboarding was torture. He told me:

“No, I think it’s persuasive.. . . The big, monstrous difference here is that the gentlemen we are waterboarding are people who swore to kill Americans. They will wreak any kind of torture just for the hell of it on anybody. When they are captured by the U.S., and we know or have reason to believe that they know of a subsequent event after 9/11, if you don’t interrogate them, more misery will take place.. . . Waterboarding is not an evil. Some of the things they did to us were torture. I passed out a dozen times from torture. We’re not exerting that kind of excruciation.”

 

[2aguy]

I think that anybody who advocates for water boarding should try it first. Jesse Ventura tells the story how he tried it and considered it torture. Clip below. Sez he'd have dick cheney confessing to the sharon tate murders after water boarding. Nice clip where he calls bush 2 the worst prez. I say yeah, after clinton and obama. Got hopes for Trump, although he maybe should try waterboarding before advocating for it. It is torture, which is illegal by international standards and it is unreliable.

Jesse had his hean slammed on the mat too many times. He's a conspiracy whack job. Sure you can make anyone say anything, the point is it has to be done intelligently, something beyond Jesse's scope.

I say if a leader advocates for torture, he should give it a try first. And the constitution does say no cruel and unusual punishment. Making someone confess and give you facts you want to hear is fairly easy. America should be better than that. And remember, these middle east wars we're in is all of our own making because of oil. It really does belong to the arabs to begin with. Remember Washington's advice, trade with everyone, don't get involved in foreign entanglements, etc.

and guys like you who bitch about oil in the middle east are the same types fighint using frakking over here that would make us energy independent...

 

[2aguy]

privileged snob who paints himself orange every day, had everything handed to him all his life, has zero military experience and has never even held a job in his life.

Except for the orange part -- that's Obama to a tee.

Ummmm.... really. O'bama had everything handed to him all his life did he? His dad handed him a hundred million bucks and a firsthand education on how to scam the government while banning black people from his apartments? Do tell.

His grandmother was an executive at a bank and made a lot of cash.....he went to private schools as a kid....

 

[2aguy]

B.B.C. just showed an interview with Trump where he states the above and will discuss with various advisers re-instituting "waterboarding", etc.

Or, that work is torture.

Zackly. First thing I thought was, who would know better about criminal and ineffective interrogation methods than a 70 year old privileged snob who paints himself orange every day, had everything handed to him all his life, has zero military experience and has never even held a job in his life.

On the other hand he does like to flood the Twitterworld at three in the morning and that's a kind of torture so maybe in a sense he's right.

Yeah...so you should listen to Colonel Bud Day, Leo Thorsness and Admiral Stanton...all men who were tortured by the Vietnamese socialists.....and who state that waterboarding is not torture.....they know, they are experts, they suffered torture for years....real torture....

 

[Nia88]

You do realize that when one of ours is captured by the radical muslims, they usually are beheaded and dragged through the streets as trophies. While we give the troglodytes we capture better treatment than our own soldiers. And they still hate US. Such stupid people who vote Dumbocrat.

So that means we behave as crazy as they do? Violence begets violence.

 

[2aguy]

B.B.C. just showed an interview with Trump where he states the above and will discuss with various advisers re-instituting "waterboarding", etc.

Yea? So what?

You have a problem with terrorists potentially getting waterboarded by trained interrogators?

It opens the door to legitimate armies waterboarding (or worse) our soldiers captured on the battlefield.

Nope...those armies are protected by the Geneva Convention and our military did not waterboard anyone, the CIA did it. The terrorists are not covered by the Geneva Convention because they are not fighting in a uniform, not observing the laws of war and not fighting for a nation.......

And as was pointed out by an expert today.....if you protect terrorists, you are actually encouraging regular soldiers to break the laws of war......because their is no down side to breaking those laws since they will not lose the protection of the Geneva Conventions.....

 

[2aguy]

You do realize that when one of ours is captured by the radical muslims, they usually are beheaded and dragged through the streets as trophies. While we give the troglodytes we capture better treatment than our own soldiers. And they still hate US. Such stupid people who vote Dumbocrat.

So that means we behave as crazy as they do? Violence begets violence.

No...violence against evil people ends the violence.....your point is not thought through and is silly.

 

[bodecea]

B.B.C. just showed an interview with Trump where he states the above and will discuss with various advisers re-instituting "waterboarding", etc.

Yea? So what?

You have a problem with terrorists potentially getting waterboarded by trained interrogators?

Welcome to the Dark Side.

 

[2aguy]

B.B.C. just showed an interview with Trump where he states the above and will discuss with various advisers re-instituting "waterboarding", etc.

Yea? So what?

You have a problem with terrorists potentially getting waterboarded by trained interrogators?

Welcome to the Dark Side.

Nope....allowing innocent men, women and children to be maimed and murdered because you don't want to run water down the sinuses of the men who rape, torture and murder4 those innocent people...that is the dark side....

 

[Iceweasel]

Violence begets violence.

How do you classify beheadings? Sounds violent to me.

 

[mudwhistle]

I think that anybody who advocates for water boarding should try it first. Jesse Ventura tells the story how he tried it and considered it torture. Clip below. Sez he'd have dick cheney confessing to the sharon tate murders after water boarding. Nice clip where he calls bush 2 the worst prez. I say yeah, after clinton and obama. Got hopes for Trump, although he maybe should try waterboarding before advocating for it. It is torture, which is illegal by international standards and it is unreliable.

Here....these men advocated for it 2 men who were Awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor and the other one, Admiral Stanton...look him up....all were actually tortured by the Vietnamese socialists....actual torture, they had bones broken and were beaten half to death...and what do they say...?


McCain’s fellow POWs support waterboarding

When I was researching my book, “Courting Disaster,” I interviewed many of them, including Col. Bud Day, who received our nation’s highest award for valor, the Medal of Honor, for his heroic escape from a North Vietnamese prison camp.

When Day was returned to the prison, his right arm was broken in three places and he had been shot in the hand and thigh during his capture. But he continued to resist interrogation and provide false information — suffering such excruciating torture that he became totally physically debilitated and unable to perform even the simplest task for himself. In short, Day is an expert on the subject of torture. Here is what he says about CIA waterboarding:

“I am a supporter of waterboarding. It is not torture. Torture is really hurting someone. Waterboarding is just scaring someone, with no long-term injurious effects. It is a scare tactic that works.”

I asked Day in an e-mail what he would say to the CIA officer who waterboarded Khalid Sheik Mohammed, if he had the chance to speak with him. Day replied immediately: “YOU DID THE RIGHT THING.”

And the other Congressional of Medal Awardee...also agrees......waterboarding is not torture.....

Like Day, Col. Leo Thorsness was awarded the Medal of Honor for extraordinary heroism during the Vietnam War. He experienced excruciating torture during his captivity — his back broken, his body wrenched apart. He says what the CIA did to al-Qaeda terrorists in its custody was not torture:

“To me, waterboarding is intensive interrogation. It is not torture. Torture involves extreme, brutal pain — breaking bones, passing out from pain, beatings so severe that blood spatters the walls . . . when you pop shoulders out of joints.. . . In my mind, there’s a difference, and in most POWs’ minds there’s a difference.. . . I would not hesitate a second to use ‘enhanced interrogation,’ including waterboarding, if it would save the lives of innocent people.”

And the most famous supporter of water boarding......

Another torture victim who supports waterboarding is Adm. Jeremiah Denton — the POW who famously winked the word “T-O-R-T-U-R-E” in Morse code during a North Vietnamese propaganda interview.

It was the first message to the outside world that American prisoners were being tortured. Denton later received the Navy Cross for this courageous and costly act of defiance, for which he paid dearly when his captors figured out what he had done. I asked Denton if he thought waterboarding was torture. He told me:

“No, I think it’s persuasive.. . . The big, monstrous difference here is that the gentlemen we are waterboarding are people who swore to kill Americans. They will wreak any kind of torture just for the hell of it on anybody. When they are captured by the U.S., and we know or have reason to believe that they know of a subsequent event after 9/11, if you don’t interrogate them, more misery will take place.. . . Waterboarding is not an evil. Some of the things they did to us were torture. I passed out a dozen times from torture. We’re not exerting that kind of excruciation.”

Waterboarding works.....which is why Democrats are against it. They fully support terrorism because terrorists support climate-change, which Democrats feel is a worse threat.

 

[mudwhistle]

They do that already now. Even worse. International law doesn't apply to terrorists.

Yes…that is why I wrote “legitimate armies”.

We aren't at war with legitimate armies.

Not today.

Irrelevant.
History would teach the rational that even legit nations have committed war crimes that makes Water-boarding look like a trip to Disneyland. Remember Nanking, the Russian occupation of Berlin, The Bataan Deathmarch, the Holocaust, ethnic cleansing in Bosnia, Christian Genocide in the Middle East, ISIS torture, and war crimes in Aleppo Syria.

Yes, and the reason we can be astonished and feel rightfully indigent about Bataan is that we didn’t do that stuff. If you wish to join the ranks of Milosovich, Stalin, and Asaad….be our guest. That will make “America great again” to be sure—copying war criminals actions.

Really pal; you’re a fucking lunatic.

Yeah........putting a wet rag over someone's face is akin to Bataan.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Torture is morally out of bounds.

Homosexuality is morally out of bounds, but you lefties still pushed it upon US, funny how defending our country from attack is out of bounds to the left, but fudge packing and muff diving, and worse now, is not. Liberalism is a mental disorder.

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My guess is that you were born a homosexual but choose to stay in the closet. Nobody "pushed" it on me.

I was born a male, and will always be a male, not some lunatic with male parts running around with his tally wacker and nuts, with injections to cause his boobs to grow. Or worse, someone who self mutilates themselves because they have been so indoctrinated by the left that they get an Addadicktome and then forever regret what they did, because they can never achieve the happiness knowing that inside of them, they aren't truly who they are. Seems August that you had a shit upbringing and somewhere in your life , were traumatized away from normalcy. Sorry for your loss, for you will never achieve true happiness. That is why you are a liberal.