Trump orders immediate declassification of key documents in Russia hoax

[miketx]

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Well Cool - "Trooper .. Raise a Little Hell" will have the final say in this matter.
Shall we close the thread down now A-hole?

 

[kyzr]

You can't have obstruction w/o a crime. There is no crime, except by democrats and the FBI/DOJ

You guys keep saying that
Are you instructed to do so?

Hacking the servers and releasing the emails was a crime
Any collusion in that act is a crime

"Collusion" is not a crime, is not on the books, period. Conspiracy may be a crime, but talking to Russians is not a crime. IMHO paying Russians indirectly for a fake dossier to win an election by cheating is a crime. (Hillary's actions with Tony Podesta playing Manafort look worse than Trump's team regarding conspiracy)
Anyone could have hacked their servers. The dum fuks should have had better server security (like the GOP) instead of buying fireworks. There is no way to prove collusion/conspiracy since the hackers could have been anyone, or any agency.

 

[Andylusion]

Too funny

Is he going to declassify the documents that point to his guilt?

Your comment is ridiculous..... because if there were such documents, we'd be in an impeachment hearing by now.

A good chunk of the politicians up on capital hill, have seen these classified documents. If they proved Trumps guilt, you can bet that one of the Democraps up there would have leaked those documents by now, or parts of them. If not, they would be pushing for impeachment already.

Either way, you wouldn't be here asking a dumb question like that. We'd be looking forward to impeachment.

Which I'll be all in favor of. Pence would make a great president.

Obstruction of Justice
Trump can’t help himself

Just another example of Trump trying to influence the investigation

Right.... are you telling me that you supported the impeachment of Bill Clinton? Because unlike your claim here, there is documented evidence of witness tampering and obstruction of justice, as well as a media campaign against Clinton's accusers.

Clinton can't help himself.

Just another example of Clinton trying to influence the investigation.

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

BREAKING: President Trump Directs Dan Coats (DNI), Jeff Sessions (DOJ) and Christopher Wray (FBI) To Declassify Documents and Release Unredacted Text Messages…

BREAKING: President Trump Directs Dan Coats (DNI), Jeff Sessions (DOJ) and Christopher Wray (FBI) To Declassify Documents and Release Unredacted Text Messages…president...
A statement from the White House moments ago reflects a directive from the Office of the President to the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, Dan Coats, along with the DOJ and FBI to declassify documents and remove redactions to all investigative text messages. The wording within the request is important:

WHITE HOUSE – At the request of a number of committees of Congress, and for reasons of transparency, the President has directed the Office of the Director of National Intelligence and the Department of Justice (including the FBI) to provide for the immediate declassification of the following materials: (1) pages 10-12 and 17-34 of the June 2017 application to the FISA court in the matter of Carter W. Page; (2) all FBI reports of interviews with Bruce G. Ohr prepared in connection with the Russia investigation; and (3) all FBI reports of interviews prepared in connection with all Carter Page FISA applications.

In addition, President Donald J. Trump has directed the Department of Justice (including the FBI) to publicly release all text messages relating to the Russia investigation, without redaction, of James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, and Bruce Ohr. (LINK)​

~~~~~~
It's about time that president Trump moved on this. I suspect there will be a lot of rending of of clothes over this within the Democratic Party. A lot of people are going to be whining and under investigation when the documents are finally made public.
“In addition, President Donald J. Trump has directed the Department of Justice (including the FBI) to publicly release all text messages relating to the Russia investigation, without redaction, of James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, and Bruce Ohr.”
This is not over by a long shot. There is a reason Trump is doing this now and I don’t believe the SCOTUS is it. Mueller is about to make his move. If Trump does not do this before Mueller releases his report, it could be obstruction if he did in in the aftermath. There is a fight coming and it is going to be hard, very hard. The outcome is not known yet.
I think he was waiting until after the hurricane, plus I’m sure this Kavanaugh thing put him over the top!! Just speculating!

The MSM Presstitutes will just ignore it or attempt to ignore it.

 

[deanrd]

Finally. About time. YAY!

Without redaction.

President Donald Trump ordered the immediate declassification of several documents relating to the 2016 FBI investigation of his campaign, White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders announced Monday evening.

“The President has directed the Office of the Director of National Intelligence and the Department of Justice (including the FBI) to provide for the immediate declassification of the following materials: (1) pages 10-12 and 17-34 of the June 2017 application to the FISA court in the matter of Carter W. Page; (2) all FBI reports of interviews with Bruce G. Ohr prepared in connection with the Russia investigation; and (3) all FBI reports of interviews prepared in connection with all Carter Page FISA applications,” White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said.

Sanders continued “in addition, President Donald J. Trump has directed the Department of Justice (including the FBI) to publicly release all text messages relating to the Russia investigation, without redaction, of James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, and Bruce Ohr.”

Trump Orders Declassification Of DOJ, FBI Documents

If he doesn't declassify his Tax Returns,

if he doesn't declassify the money he got from Russia,

If he doesn't declassify the money his sons said was pouring in from Russia,

then who the fuk cares what he declassifies?

 

[deanrd]

Too funny

Is he going to declassify the documents that point to his guilt?

Your comment is ridiculous..... because if there were such documents, we'd be in an impeachment hearing by now.

A good chunk of the politicians up on capital hill, have seen these classified documents. If they proved Trumps guilt, you can bet that one of the Democraps up there would have leaked those documents by now, or parts of them. If not, they would be pushing for impeachment already.

Either way, you wouldn't be here asking a dumb question like that. We'd be looking forward to impeachment.

Which I'll be all in favor of. Pence would make a great president.

Obstruction of Justice
Trump can’t help himself

Just another example of Trump trying to influence the investigation

Right.... are you telling me that you supported the impeachment of Bill Clinton? Because unlike your claim here, there is documented evidence of witness tampering and obstruction of justice, as well as a media campaign against Clinton's accusers.

Clinton can't help himself.

Just another example of Clinton trying to influence the investigation.

Clinton was impeached.

I'm more interested in the money that was pouring in from Russia. Aren't you?

They must have been talking about something? What was it?

 

[B. Kidd]

You can't have obstruction w/o a crime. There is no crime, except by democrats and the FBI/DOJ

You guys keep saying that
Are you instructed to do so?

Hacking the servers and releasing the emails was a crime
Any collusion in that act is a crime

"Collusion" is not a crime, is not on the books, period. Conspiracy may be a crime, but talking to Russians is not a crime. IMHO paying Russians indirectly for a fake dossier to win an election by cheating is a crime.
Anyone could have hacked their servers. The dum fuks should have had better server security (like the GOP) instead of buying fireworks. There is no way to prove collusion/conspiracy since the hackers could have been anyone, or any agency.

And we'll never know who hacked the vermin Dem servers because they convienently never turned them over to the FBI.
What a stupid crap show this has been for the last almost 2 years orchestrated by the DNC controlled media and the deep state.

 

[DOTR]

They have already said that if he declassifies they will go after him for obstruction of justice.

I know I know...but dont ask me to explain it. Its liberal thinking.

 

[deanrd]

You can't have obstruction w/o a crime. There is no crime, except by democrats and the FBI/DOJ

You guys keep saying that
Are you instructed to do so?

Hacking the servers and releasing the emails was a crime
Any collusion in that act is a crime

"Collusion" is not a crime, is not on the books, period. Conspiracy may be a crime, but talking to Russians is not a crime. IMHO paying Russians indirectly for a fake dossier to win an election by cheating is a crime.
Anyone could have hacked their servers. The dum fuks should have had better server security (like the GOP) instead of buying fireworks. There is no way to prove collusion/conspiracy since the hackers could have been anyone, or any agency.

And we'll never know who hacked the vermin Dem servers because they convienently never turned them over to the FBI.
What a stupid crap show this has been for the last almost 2 years orchestrated by the DNC controlled media and the deep state.

Quit being a lying fuk. The FBI was given everything. If they weren't, they would have subpoenaed it. Because they can.

Dipsh!ts aren't funi

 

[B. Kidd]

You can't have obstruction w/o a crime. There is no crime, except by democrats and the FBI/DOJ

You guys keep saying that
Are you instructed to do so?

Hacking the servers and releasing the emails was a crime
Any collusion in that act is a crime

"Collusion" is not a crime, is not on the books, period. Conspiracy may be a crime, but talking to Russians is not a crime. IMHO paying Russians indirectly for a fake dossier to win an election by cheating is a crime.
Anyone could have hacked their servers. The dum fuks should have had better server security (like the GOP) instead of buying fireworks. There is no way to prove collusion/conspiracy since the hackers could have been anyone, or any agency.

And we'll never know who hacked the vermin Dem servers because they convienently never turned them over to the FBI.
What a stupid crap show this has been for the last almost 2 years orchestrated by the DNC controlled media and the deep state.

Quit being a lying fuk. The FBI was given everything. If they weren't, they would have subpoenaed it. Because they can.

Dipsh!ts aren't funi

You're wrong.

 

[kyzr]

Google any fact check site:
In his testimony in January on the cyber attacks, then-director of the FBI James Comey said the agency never got access to the machines themselves, but obtained access to the forensics from a review of the system performed by CrowdStrike, a third-party cybersecurity firm.


"We got the forensics from the pros that they hired which -- again, best practice is always to get access to the machines themselves, but this my folks tell me was an appropriate substitute," Comey said.

 

[JGalt]

BREAKING: President Trump Directs Dan Coats (DNI), Jeff Sessions (DOJ) and Christopher Wray (FBI) To Declassify Documents and Release Unredacted Text Messages…

BREAKING: President Trump Directs Dan Coats (DNI), Jeff Sessions (DOJ) and Christopher Wray (FBI) To Declassify Documents and Release Unredacted Text Messages…president...
A statement from the White House moments ago reflects a directive from the Office of the President to the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, Dan Coats, along with the DOJ and FBI to declassify documents and remove redactions to all investigative text messages. The wording within the request is important:

WHITE HOUSE – At the request of a number of committees of Congress, and for reasons of transparency, the President has directed the Office of the Director of National Intelligence and the Department of Justice (including the FBI) to provide for the immediate declassification of the following materials: (1) pages 10-12 and 17-34 of the June 2017 application to the FISA court in the matter of Carter W. Page; (2) all FBI reports of interviews with Bruce G. Ohr prepared in connection with the Russia investigation; and (3) all FBI reports of interviews prepared in connection with all Carter Page FISA applications.

In addition, President Donald J. Trump has directed the Department of Justice (including the FBI) to publicly release all text messages relating to the Russia investigation, without redaction, of James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, and Bruce Ohr. (LINK)​

~~~~~~
It's about time that president Trump moved on this. I suspect there will be a lot of rending of of clothes over this within the Democratic Party. A lot of people are going to be whining and under investigation when the documents are finally made public.
“In addition, President Donald J. Trump has directed the Department of Justice (including the FBI) to publicly release all text messages relating to the Russia investigation, without redaction, of James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, and Bruce Ohr.”
This is not over by a long shot. There is a reason Trump is doing this now and I don’t believe the SCOTUS is it. Mueller is about to make his move. If Trump does not do this before Mueller releases his report, it could be obstruction if he did in in the aftermath. There is a fight coming and it is going to be hard, very hard. The outcome is not known yet.
I think he was waiting until after the hurricane, plus I’m sure this Kavanaugh thing put him over the top!! Just speculating!

The MSM Presstitutes will just ignore it or attempt to ignore it.

But they won't be able to. FOX News, Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson, Sarah Carter, Laura Ingraham, and Rush Limbaugh will not let them sweep it under the proverbial rug. They've been pushing this issue for the last three years, even before Trump was elected. The sock-puppet media will try to spin ot whatever way they can or like you said, ignore it.

But this isn't going to simply disappear: Just because the Ostrich has it's head in the sand, doesn't mean there isn't eminent danger.

 

[WTP]

BREAKING: President Trump Directs Dan Coats (DNI), Jeff Sessions (DOJ) and Christopher Wray (FBI) To Declassify Documents and Release Unredacted Text Messages…

BREAKING: President Trump Directs Dan Coats (DNI), Jeff Sessions (DOJ) and Christopher Wray (FBI) To Declassify Documents and Release Unredacted Text Messages…president...
A statement from the White House moments ago reflects a directive from the Office of the President to the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, Dan Coats, along with the DOJ and FBI to declassify documents and remove redactions to all investigative text messages. The wording within the request is important:

WHITE HOUSE – At the request of a number of committees of Congress, and for reasons of transparency, the President has directed the Office of the Director of National Intelligence and the Department of Justice (including the FBI) to provide for the immediate declassification of the following materials: (1) pages 10-12 and 17-34 of the June 2017 application to the FISA court in the matter of Carter W. Page; (2) all FBI reports of interviews with Bruce G. Ohr prepared in connection with the Russia investigation; and (3) all FBI reports of interviews prepared in connection with all Carter Page FISA applications.

In addition, President Donald J. Trump has directed the Department of Justice (including the FBI) to publicly release all text messages relating to the Russia investigation, without redaction, of James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, and Bruce Ohr. (LINK)​

~~~~~~
It's about time that president Trump moved on this. I suspect there will be a lot of rending of of clothes over this within the Democratic Party. A lot of people are going to be whining and under investigation when the documents are finally made public.
“In addition, President Donald J. Trump has directed the Department of Justice (including the FBI) to publicly release all text messages relating to the Russia investigation, without redaction, of James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, and Bruce Ohr.”
This is not over by a long shot. There is a reason Trump is doing this now and I don’t believe the SCOTUS is it. Mueller is about to make his move. If Trump does not do this before Mueller releases his report, it could be obstruction if he did in in the aftermath. There is a fight coming and it is going to be hard, very hard. The outcome is not known yet.
I think he was waiting until after the hurricane, plus I’m sure this Kavanaugh thing put him over the top!! Just speculating!

Now we know Trump is desperate. With Flynn and Manafort talking and going to jail, Trump knows what they know. Trump knows Manafort knows all the hidden secrets about the money laundering with Russia, the illegal campaign financing, the Trump Tower meeting, Cambridge Analytica and the Russian connection to the Podesta emails. He knows everything. His one shot is to use Jordan, Meadows, and his henchmen to try and deface the investigation through the Carter Page FISA's. That is too little too late. Not to mention, Conspiracy, obstruction, illegal charities, illegal campaign financing, and Emoluments violations have already been proven. This folks is a proven illegal election. Trump to declassify documents relating to Russia investigation, Carter Page FISA warrant - CNNPolitics

 

[WTP]

BREAKING: President Trump Directs Dan Coats (DNI), Jeff Sessions (DOJ) and Christopher Wray (FBI) To Declassify Documents and Release Unredacted Text Messages…

BREAKING: President Trump Directs Dan Coats (DNI), Jeff Sessions (DOJ) and Christopher Wray (FBI) To Declassify Documents and Release Unredacted Text Messages…president...
A statement from the White House moments ago reflects a directive from the Office of the President to the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, Dan Coats, along with the DOJ and FBI to declassify documents and remove redactions to all investigative text messages. The wording within the request is important:

WHITE HOUSE – At the request of a number of committees of Congress, and for reasons of transparency, the President has directed the Office of the Director of National Intelligence and the Department of Justice (including the FBI) to provide for the immediate declassification of the following materials: (1) pages 10-12 and 17-34 of the June 2017 application to the FISA court in the matter of Carter W. Page; (2) all FBI reports of interviews with Bruce G. Ohr prepared in connection with the Russia investigation; and (3) all FBI reports of interviews prepared in connection with all Carter Page FISA applications.

In addition, President Donald J. Trump has directed the Department of Justice (including the FBI) to publicly release all text messages relating to the Russia investigation, without redaction, of James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, and Bruce Ohr. (LINK)​

~~~~~~
It's about time that president Trump moved on this. I suspect there will be a lot of rending of of clothes over this within the Democratic Party. A lot of people are going to be whining and under investigation when the documents are finally made public.
“In addition, President Donald J. Trump has directed the Department of Justice (including the FBI) to publicly release all text messages relating to the Russia investigation, without redaction, of James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, and Bruce Ohr.”
This is not over by a long shot. There is a reason Trump is doing this now and I don’t believe the SCOTUS is it. Mueller is about to make his move. If Trump does not do this before Mueller releases his report, it could be obstruction if he did in in the aftermath. There is a fight coming and it is going to be hard, very hard. The outcome is not known yet.
I think he was waiting until after the hurricane, plus I’m sure this Kavanaugh thing put him over the top!! Just speculating!

The MSM Presstitutes will just ignore it or attempt to ignore it.

But they won't be able to. FOX News, Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson, Sarah Carter, Laura Ingraham, and Rush Limbaugh will not let them sweep it under the proverbial rug. They've been pushing this issue for the last three years, even before Trump was elected. The sock-puppet media will try to spin ot whatever way they can or like you said, ignore it.

But this isn't going to simply disappear: Just because the Ostrich has it's head in the sand, doesn't mean there isn't eminent danger.

This is definitely Obstruction by Trump. But I get it. It's a last ditch effort to hijack the investigation. What happened to the cooperation?

 

[B. Kidd]

The DNC hired its own firm to do the forensics on their servers, called 'CrowdStrike'. It is affiliated with an anti-Russian Ukrainian billionaire!
The FBI never performed its own investigation.
Vermin Dems fooled you all again!

 

[hazlnut]

Finally. About time. YAY!

Without redaction.

President Donald Trump ordered the immediate declassification of several documents relating to the 2016 FBI investigation of his campaign, White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders announced Monday evening.

“The President has directed the Office of the Director of National Intelligence and the Department of Justice (including the FBI) to provide for the immediate declassification of the following materials: (1) pages 10-12 and 17-34 of the June 2017 application to the FISA court in the matter of Carter W. Page; (2) all FBI reports of interviews with Bruce G. Ohr prepared in connection with the Russia investigation; and (3) all FBI reports of interviews prepared in connection with all Carter Page FISA applications,” White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said.

Sanders continued “in addition, President Donald J. Trump has directed the Department of Justice (including the FBI) to publicly release all text messages relating to the Russia investigation, without redaction, of James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, and Bruce Ohr.”

Trump Orders Declassification Of DOJ, FBI Documents

Trump Orders.

Who gives a fuck, he's an idiot.

The country is being run by a collective of White House employees.

 

[WTP]

They have already said that if he declassifies they will go after him for obstruction of justice.

I know I know...but dont ask me to explain it. Its liberal thinking.

You can't explain it, because it is obstruction. Explain to us intelligently how it isn't?

 

[WTP]

BREAKING: President Trump Directs Dan Coats (DNI), Jeff Sessions (DOJ) and Christopher Wray (FBI) To Declassify Documents and Release Unredacted Text Messages…

BREAKING: President Trump Directs Dan Coats (DNI), Jeff Sessions (DOJ) and Christopher Wray (FBI) To Declassify Documents and Release Unredacted Text Messages…president...
A statement from the White House moments ago reflects a directive from the Office of the President to the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, Dan Coats, along with the DOJ and FBI to declassify documents and remove redactions to all investigative text messages. The wording within the request is important:

WHITE HOUSE – At the request of a number of committees of Congress, and for reasons of transparency, the President has directed the Office of the Director of National Intelligence and the Department of Justice (including the FBI) to provide for the immediate declassification of the following materials: (1) pages 10-12 and 17-34 of the June 2017 application to the FISA court in the matter of Carter W. Page; (2) all FBI reports of interviews with Bruce G. Ohr prepared in connection with the Russia investigation; and (3) all FBI reports of interviews prepared in connection with all Carter Page FISA applications.

In addition, President Donald J. Trump has directed the Department of Justice (including the FBI) to publicly release all text messages relating to the Russia investigation, without redaction, of James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, and Bruce Ohr. (LINK)​

~~~~~~
It's about time that president Trump moved on this. I suspect there will be a lot of rending of of clothes over this within the Democratic Party. A lot of people are going to be whining and under investigation when the documents are finally made public.
“In addition, President Donald J. Trump has directed the Department of Justice (including the FBI) to publicly release all text messages relating to the Russia investigation, without redaction, of James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, and Bruce Ohr.”
This is not over by a long shot. There is a reason Trump is doing this now and I don’t believe the SCOTUS is it. Mueller is about to make his move. If Trump does not do this before Mueller releases his report, it could be obstruction if he did in in the aftermath. There is a fight coming and it is going to be hard, very hard. The outcome is not known yet.
I think he was waiting until after the hurricane, plus I’m sure this Kavanaugh thing put him over the top!! Just speculating!

The MSM Presstitutes will just ignore it or attempt to ignore it.

No one's ignoring anything. This is just more obstruction.

 

[skews13]

Too funny

Is he going to declassify the documents that point to his guilt?

During an ongoing investigation.

Of which will expose American intelligence techniques to the Russian mob, and will get operatives killed.

This guy is a traitor in every definition of the word.

 

[Aba Incieni]

BREAKING: President Trump Directs Dan Coats (DNI), Jeff Sessions (DOJ) and Christopher Wray (FBI) To Declassify Documents and Release Unredacted Text Messages…

BREAKING: President Trump Directs Dan Coats (DNI), Jeff Sessions (DOJ) and Christopher Wray (FBI) To Declassify Documents and Release Unredacted Text Messages…president...
A statement from the White House moments ago reflects a directive from the Office of the President to the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, Dan Coats, along with the DOJ and FBI to declassify documents and remove redactions to all investigative text messages. The wording within the request is important:

WHITE HOUSE – At the request of a number of committees of Congress, and for reasons of transparency, the President has directed the Office of the Director of National Intelligence and the Department of Justice (including the FBI) to provide for the immediate declassification of the following materials: (1) pages 10-12 and 17-34 of the June 2017 application to the FISA court in the matter of Carter W. Page; (2) all FBI reports of interviews with Bruce G. Ohr prepared in connection with the Russia investigation; and (3) all FBI reports of interviews prepared in connection with all Carter Page FISA applications.

In addition, President Donald J. Trump has directed the Department of Justice (including the FBI) to publicly release all text messages relating to the Russia investigation, without redaction, of James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, and Bruce Ohr. (LINK)​

~~~~~~
It's about time that president Trump moved on this. I suspect there will be a lot of rending of of clothes over this within the Democratic Party. A lot of people are going to be whining and under investigation when the documents are finally made public.
“In addition, President Donald J. Trump has directed the Department of Justice (including the FBI) to publicly release all text messages relating to the Russia investigation, without redaction, of James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, and Bruce Ohr.”
This is not over by a long shot. There is a reason Trump is doing this now and I don’t believe the SCOTUS is it. Mueller is about to make his move. If Trump does not do this before Mueller releases his report, it could be obstruction if he did in in the aftermath. There is a fight coming and it is going to be hard, very hard. The outcome is not known yet.
I think he was waiting until after the hurricane, plus I’m sure this Kavanaugh thing put him over the top!! Just speculating!

Now we know Trump is desperate. With Flynn and Manafort talking and going to jail, Trump knows what they know. Trump knows Manafort knows all the hidden secrets about the money laundering with Russia, the illegal campaign financing, the Trump Tower meeting, Cambridge Analytica and the Russian connection to the Podesta emails. He knows everything. His one shot is to use Jordan, Meadows, and his henchmen to try and deface the investigation through the Carter Page FISA's. That is too little too late. Not to mention, Conspiracy, obstruction, illegal charities, illegal campaign financing, and Emoluments violations have already been proven. This folks is a proven illegal election. Trump to declassify documents relating to Russia investigation, Carter Page FISA warrant - CNNPolitics

Most Americans want transparency. The entire blot on American integrity needs to be exposed.

And since you claim many crimes have already been proven, all text messages relating to the Russia investigation, without redaction, of James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, and Bruce Ohr will make no difference.