Top Ten Reasons Why Islam Is NOT The Religion Of Peace

[CharlestonChad]

Islam isn't based on any kind of morality.

Wait a minute here. Let's hear your knowledge of Islam. You started out on this thread telling the rest of us that you were the only one who knew anything and yet you've never said what it is you do know.

Let's hear it. What is your opinion of Islam and what is that opinion based on?

I have researched the basics of the religion. That is what I will base my opinion on. I'll post my opinion sometime tonight.

 

[Emmett]

Let us examine this issue w/o the childish rhetoric!

OK, Many Muslims strap on bombs and kill innocent folks..............Hmmmm!

MOST Muslims treat their woman as possessions and force them to live as they certainly could not WANT to..............Hmmmmmmm!!

All Muslims worship an idol or prophet who insists through the writing in their silly sacred book that other folks should die because they don't believe in this foolishness.......................Hmmmmmmm!!!!

Nope, NOT a peaceful religion!

 

[Gunny]

Let us examine this issue w/o the childish rhetoric!

OK, Many Muslims strap on bombs and kill innocent folks..............Hmmmm!

MOST Muslims treat their woman as possessions and force them to live as they certainly could not WANT to..............Hmmmmmmm!!

All Muslims worship an idol or prophet who insists through the writing in their silly sacred book that other folks should die because they don't believe in this foolishness.......................Hmmmmmmm!!!!

Nope, NOT a peaceful religion!

Careful or Wile E. will call you an unedumicated redneck.:rotflmao:

 

[CharlestonChad]

Careful or Wile E. will call you an unedumicated redneck.:rotflmao:

Good one! How do you come up with such funny jokes?

 

[manu1959]

islam as practiced in the middle east is still in the 11th century

 

[manu1959]

I have researched the basics of the religion. That is what I will base my opinion on. I'll post my opinion sometime tonight.

well

 

[Emmett]

I'm really curious to know any talking points in support of this claim. Islam is NOT a peaceful religion. I have a hard time believing ANYone from the US could think that it was.

 

[nt250]

I'm really curious to know any talking points in support of this claim. Islam is NOT a peaceful religion. I have a hard time believing ANYone from the US could think that it was.

You'd be amazed, Emmett. Many do think it is. Islam is the only religion I have ever seen a liberal defend. But many of them do.

 

[CharlestonChad]

Current events in Afghanistan are related to US foreign policy and international politics. But for some reason, a number of people are looking into religion for answers, specifically Islam. Many people are turning to the Quran. Unfortunately, this has led many to misunderstand a number of verses about the Islamic conduct of war. Below is a clear explanation that can help clarify misconceptions.

When it comes to the Islamic conduct of war, some of the verses of the Quran that have often been quoted by non-Muslims to "prove" Islam promotes violence and bloodshed are found in Surah 2 verses 190-194:

2.190. Fight against those who fight against you in the way of Allah, but do not transgress, for Allah does not love transgressors.

2.191. Kill them whenever you confront them and drive them out from where they drove you out. (For though killing is sinful) wrongful persecution is even worse than killing. Do not fight against them near the Holy Mosque unless they fight against you; but if they fight against you kill them, for that is the reward of such unbelievers.

2.192. Then if they desist, know well that Allah is Ever-Forgiving, Most Compassionate.

2.193. Keep on fighting against them until mischief ends and the way prescribed by Allah prevails. But if they desist, then know that hostility is only against the wrong-doers.

2.194. The sacred month for the sacred month; sanctities should be respected alike ( by all concerned). Thus, if someone has attacked you, attack him just as he attacked you, and fear Allah and remain conscious that Allah is with those who guard against violating the bounds set by Him.


(translation taken from, Towards Understanding the Quran)

The Historic Context and the Nature of the Holy Quran

The Holy Quran comprises of revelations from God to Prophet Muhammad over a period of twenty three years (610 C.E. – 632 C.E.). The first 13 years of the prophethood of Muhammad were at his hometown of Makkah (Mecca), where he and his fellow Muslims were severely persecuted by the pagans of Makkah. During that time, Muslims were not ordered to fight back, but bear the persecutions. Finally, God ordered the Prophet and his fellow Muslims (known as Sahabah) to emigrate to the city of Madinah, about 400 kilometers away.

This emigration, known as the Hijrah, marked the beginning of an Islamic society in Madinah, in which the Prophet became the head of the state. It was not long before the polytheists of Makkah marched towards Madinah to wage war against Muslims and destroy the Islamic state of Madinah. This battle is known as the Battle of Badr. The verses 2.190-2.194, above were perhaps the first injunctions from God to Muslims to prepare themselves for fighting. It was obviously a war in the defense of their homeland and their Faith.

In verse 2.190, God instructs Muslims to fight back, but not to transgress, and remain just even during the battle. "They are told that material interests should not be the motivation for their fighting, that they should not take up arms against those were not in opposition to the true faith, that they should not resort to unscrupulous methods or to the indiscriminate killing and pillage which characterized the other wars. The excesses alluded to in this verse are acts such as taking up arms against women and children, the old and the injured, mutilation of the dead bodies of the enemy, uncalled for devastation through the destruction of fields and livestock, and other similar acts of injustice and brutality.

The Prophet prohibited all these acts. The real intent of the verse is to stress that force should be used only when its use is unavoidable, and only to the extent that is absolutely necessary." (see note 201, page 151, Towards Understanding the Quran, Volume 1)

Commentary on verse 2.192:
God, in whom the believers have faith, is forgiving and ready to pardon even the worst criminals and sinners after they have renounced their arrogant defiance towards Him. It is suggested that this attribute of God should be reflected in the behavior of the believers as well. Hence, whenever the believers have to resort to armed conflict, they should do so not for the sake of quenching their thirst for vengeance but in the just cause of their defense. Their conflict with any group should last only as long as that group is fighting them. As soon as it gives up this fight the hostility should cease. (see (note 203, page 152, as above.)

It should be emphasized that so many revelations in the Holy Quran came down to provide guidance to Prophet Muhammad and the Muslims based on what they were confronting at that time. Therefore, it is important to understand and know the historic context of the revelations for a proper understanding of these verses.

The Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, was the peace maker of his time. He endured torture, hunger and the killing of his loved ones by his enemies, but he remained a merciful person. In his most startling conquest of Makkah only four people died. In his 23 years of struggle for Islam, the total number of people who lost their lives from all sides was less than 2,000 in wars that were imposed on him and the Muslim community.

 

[manu1959]

Current events in Afghanistan are related to US foreign policy and international politics. But for some reason, a number of people are looking into religion for answers, specifically Islam. Many people are turning to the Quran. Unfortunately, this has led many to misunderstand a number of verses about the Islamic conduct of war. Below is a clear explanation that can help clarify misconceptions.

When it comes to the Islamic conduct of war, some of the verses of the Quran that have often been quoted by non-Muslims to "prove" Islam promotes violence and bloodshed are found in Surah 2 verses 190-194:

2.190. Fight against those who fight against you in the way of Allah, but do not transgress, for Allah does not love transgressors.

2.191. Kill them whenever you confront them and drive them out from where they drove you out. (For though killing is sinful) wrongful persecution is even worse than killing. Do not fight against them near the Holy Mosque unless they fight against you; but if they fight against you kill them, for that is the reward of such unbelievers.

2.192. Then if they desist, know well that Allah is Ever-Forgiving, Most Compassionate.

2.193. Keep on fighting against them until mischief ends and the way prescribed by Allah prevails. But if they desist, then know that hostility is only against the wrong-doers.

2.194. The sacred month for the sacred month; sanctities should be respected alike ( by all concerned). Thus, if someone has attacked you, attack him just as he attacked you, and fear Allah and remain conscious that Allah is with those who guard against violating the bounds set by Him.


(translation taken from, Towards Understanding the Quran)

The Historic Context and the Nature of the Holy Quran

The Holy Quran comprises of revelations from God to Prophet Muhammad over a period of twenty three years (610 C.E. – 632 C.E.). The first 13 years of the prophethood of Muhammad were at his hometown of Makkah (Mecca), where he and his fellow Muslims were severely persecuted by the pagans of Makkah. During that time, Muslims were not ordered to fight back, but bear the persecutions. Finally, God ordered the Prophet and his fellow Muslims (known as Sahabah) to emigrate to the city of Madinah, about 400 kilometers away.

This emigration, known as the Hijrah, marked the beginning of an Islamic society in Madinah, in which the Prophet became the head of the state. It was not long before the polytheists of Makkah marched towards Madinah to wage war against Muslims and destroy the Islamic state of Madinah. This battle is known as the Battle of Badr. The verses 2.190-2.194, above were perhaps the first injunctions from God to Muslims to prepare themselves for fighting. It was obviously a war in the defense of their homeland and their Faith.

In verse 2.190, God instructs Muslims to fight back, but not to transgress, and remain just even during the battle. "They are told that material interests should not be the motivation for their fighting, that they should not take up arms against those were not in opposition to the true faith, that they should not resort to unscrupulous methods or to the indiscriminate killing and pillage which characterized the other wars. The excesses alluded to in this verse are acts such as taking up arms against women and children, the old and the injured, mutilation of the dead bodies of the enemy, uncalled for devastation through the destruction of fields and livestock, and other similar acts of injustice and brutality.

The Prophet prohibited all these acts. The real intent of the verse is to stress that force should be used only when its use is unavoidable, and only to the extent that is absolutely necessary." (see note 201, page 151, Towards Understanding the Quran, Volume 1)

Commentary on verse 2.192:
God, in whom the believers have faith, is forgiving and ready to pardon even the worst criminals and sinners after they have renounced their arrogant defiance towards Him. It is suggested that this attribute of God should be reflected in the behavior of the believers as well. Hence, whenever the believers have to resort to armed conflict, they should do so not for the sake of quenching their thirst for vengeance but in the just cause of their defense. Their conflict with any group should last only as long as that group is fighting them. As soon as it gives up this fight the hostility should cease. (see (note 203, page 152, as above.)

It should be emphasized that so many revelations in the Holy Quran came down to provide guidance to Prophet Muhammad and the Muslims based on what they were confronting at that time. Therefore, it is important to understand and know the historic context of the revelations for a proper understanding of these verses.

The Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, was the peace maker of his time. He endured torture, hunger and the killing of his loved ones by his enemies, but he remained a merciful person. In his most startling conquest of Makkah only four people died. In his 23 years of struggle for Islam, the total number of people who lost their lives from all sides was less than 2,000 in wars that were imposed on him and the Muslim community.

so your point is mohammad was a good guy so islam is a religion of peace....therefore, killing thousand in the name of peace is ok...got it

 

[nt250]

Current events in Afghanistan are related to US foreign policy and international politics. But for some reason, a number of people are looking into religion for answers, specifically Islam. Many people are turning to the Quran. Unfortunately, this has led many to misunderstand a number of verses about the Islamic conduct of war. Below is a clear explanation that can help clarify misconceptions.

When it comes to the Islamic conduct of war, some of the verses of the Quran that have often been quoted by non-Muslims to "prove" Islam promotes violence and bloodshed are found in Surah 2 verses 190-194:

2.190. Fight against those who fight against you in the way of Allah, but do not transgress, for Allah does not love transgressors.

2.191. Kill them whenever you confront them and drive them out from where they drove you out. (For though killing is sinful) wrongful persecution is even worse than killing. Do not fight against them near the Holy Mosque unless they fight against you; but if they fight against you kill them, for that is the reward of such unbelievers.

2.192. Then if they desist, know well that Allah is Ever-Forgiving, Most Compassionate.

2.193. Keep on fighting against them until mischief ends and the way prescribed by Allah prevails. But if they desist, then know that hostility is only against the wrong-doers.

2.194. The sacred month for the sacred month; sanctities should be respected alike ( by all concerned). Thus, if someone has attacked you, attack him just as he attacked you, and fear Allah and remain conscious that Allah is with those who guard against violating the bounds set by Him.


(translation taken from, Towards Understanding the Quran)

The Historic Context and the Nature of the Holy Quran

The Holy Quran comprises of revelations from God to Prophet Muhammad over a period of twenty three years (610 C.E. – 632 C.E.). The first 13 years of the prophethood of Muhammad were at his hometown of Makkah (Mecca), where he and his fellow Muslims were severely persecuted by the pagans of Makkah. During that time, Muslims were not ordered to fight back, but bear the persecutions. Finally, God ordered the Prophet and his fellow Muslims (known as Sahabah) to emigrate to the city of Madinah, about 400 kilometers away.

This emigration, known as the Hijrah, marked the beginning of an Islamic society in Madinah, in which the Prophet became the head of the state. It was not long before the polytheists of Makkah marched towards Madinah to wage war against Muslims and destroy the Islamic state of Madinah. This battle is known as the Battle of Badr. The verses 2.190-2.194, above were perhaps the first injunctions from God to Muslims to prepare themselves for fighting. It was obviously a war in the defense of their homeland and their Faith.

In verse 2.190, God instructs Muslims to fight back, but not to transgress, and remain just even during the battle. "They are told that material interests should not be the motivation for their fighting, that they should not take up arms against those were not in opposition to the true faith, that they should not resort to unscrupulous methods or to the indiscriminate killing and pillage which characterized the other wars. The excesses alluded to in this verse are acts such as taking up arms against women and children, the old and the injured, mutilation of the dead bodies of the enemy, uncalled for devastation through the destruction of fields and livestock, and other similar acts of injustice and brutality.

The Prophet prohibited all these acts. The real intent of the verse is to stress that force should be used only when its use is unavoidable, and only to the extent that is absolutely necessary." (see note 201, page 151, Towards Understanding the Quran, Volume 1)

Commentary on verse 2.192:
God, in whom the believers have faith, is forgiving and ready to pardon even the worst criminals and sinners after they have renounced their arrogant defiance towards Him. It is suggested that this attribute of God should be reflected in the behavior of the believers as well. Hence, whenever the believers have to resort to armed conflict, they should do so not for the sake of quenching their thirst for vengeance but in the just cause of their defense. Their conflict with any group should last only as long as that group is fighting them. As soon as it gives up this fight the hostility should cease. (see (note 203, page 152, as above.)

It should be emphasized that so many revelations in the Holy Quran came down to provide guidance to Prophet Muhammad and the Muslims based on what they were confronting at that time. Therefore, it is important to understand and know the historic context of the revelations for a proper understanding of these verses.

The Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, was the peace maker of his time. He endured torture, hunger and the killing of his loved ones by his enemies, but he remained a merciful person. In his most startling conquest of Makkah only four people died. In his 23 years of struggle for Islam, the total number of people who lost their lives from all sides was less than 2,000 in wars that were imposed on him and the Muslim community.

Is that it?

That's our whole response, or are you just getting started?

It's late. I'll check back tomorrow to see if you have anything better than that. Because that is very lame.

 

[CharlestonChad]

That was just an interesting tid bit.

 

[manu1959]

That was just an interesting tid bit.

no more interesting than the story of christ

 

[Emmett]

The Marine Barracks

The World Trade Center

The World Trade Center again

Kidnapping

Killing of their own people

On

and

On

and

On and On and On and On...................................


I'm sorry son, I don't buy it! While the basis of the religion may CLAIM one thing in the passages you quoted I have a hard time with the practice of the religion. I don't know of any other religion that has anywhere CLOSE to that many suicide killers, ignorant followers or jihads. It seems to me that if the majority of Islam was really peaceful they would see the potential for danger to their religion by this activity and fight to curtail it so it could not disturb their peaceful practices. I even believe that passage you quoted would sort of cover that would it not.

I appreciate your taking the time to research that and write itall. I must admit I have VERY limited knowledge of the Muslim religion, Islam, Muhammad or the Curan. I am somewhat ignorant. I draw my conclusions based on what I see and from what I see of Islam, is isn't good.

 

[CharlestonChad]

No doubt Islam is a now violent religion in the middle east. My personal beliefs are that Islam was founded to be a peaceful religion, but it has many loopholes and way too many ways to be misinterpreted. As nt has stated, many of the followers cannot even read, and they rely on others to tell them what to believe. Those others can be theocracy governments or religious leaders with agendas who can twist the scriptures to meet that agenda. Sadly, much of this equates to wanting extermination of non-believers, and even battles within the religion. The result is the current conflicts in the middle east. Those Islamic influenced governments promote these misinterpreted ideals to spread their power by means of terror.

This seems to often occur when religions run governments.

 

[CharlestonChad]

Is that it?

That's our whole response, or are you just getting started?

It's late. I'll check back tomorrow to see if you have anything better than that. Because that is very lame.

I just found that interesting. It was written by actual muslims. Do you disagree? Why do you think it was lame?

 

[manu1959]

No doubt Islam is a now violent religion in the middle east. My personal beliefs are that Islam was founded to be a peaceful religion, but it has many loopholes and way too many ways to be misinterpreted. As nt has stated, many of the followers cannot even read, and they rely on others to tell them what to believe. Those others can be theocracy governments or religious leaders with agendas who can twist the scriptures to meet that agenda. Sadly, much of this equates to wanting extermination of non-believers, and even battles within the religion. The result is the current conflicts in the middle east. Those Islamic influenced governments promote these misinterpreted ideals to spread their power by means of terror.

This seems to often occur when religions run governments.

as i said....the religion is still in the 11th century.....now why would the leaders want it to stay that way?

 

[007]

Mad? You think this is mad? I've been arguing with idiots like you on message boards for years. You're going to have to do a hell of a lot better than that to make me mad.

By the way, nice show of Christian values. Isn't it funny how some of you Christians act when you get pissed off.

I'm a woman so the correct term would be bitch, not prick.

So you're this bitter even when you're NOT mad.... bitch?

And yeah, this Christian isn't going to let you kick me in the face and then walk away. I'll kick you back, so hard your mama will have a black eye.

How do like that? Oh you don't. You probably like it better when Christians just lay down and let your vile ass shit in their face. You're probably used to that aren't you? Well surprize bitch, not this one.

Get used to me, because I'm not going anywhere... moron.

 

[ErikViking]

No doubt Islam is a now violent religion in the middle east. My personal beliefs are that Islam was founded to be a peaceful religion, but it has many loopholes and way too many ways to be misinterpreted.

I think it is the other way around. Isam needs more time, it is a bit younger religion than Christianity.

Like he says:

as i said....the religion is still in the 11th century.....now why would the leaders want it to stay that way?

Islam is a bit like Christianity was in the 11:th century. About the leaders, oh the leaders, the people and the power... It will get sorted out of course. But Islam doesn't have the same time to evolve like Christianity did, not in this globalized world.

I wonder how close old sort of conservative christians stands to progressive Muslims? I guess pretty close.

 

[nt250]

So you're this bitter even when you're NOT mad.... bitch?

And yeah, this Christian isn't going to let you kick me in the face and then walk away. I'll kick you back, so hard your mama will have a black eye.

How do like that? Oh you don't. You probably like it better when Christians just lay down and let your vile ass shit in their face. You're probably used to that aren't you? Well surprize bitch, not this one.

Get used to me, because I'm not going anywhere... moron.

You're just mad because you were shown up to be ignorant of your own religion.

I didn't kick you in the face. I defended you. Go back and read it. I admonished Chad by telling him that of course you would know when your own religion began. It turns out that not only didn't you know, you admitted you didn't care.

You kicked yourself in the face.

I actually love it when I encounter Christians like you. You so amuse me.