Top 3 myths about Ronald Reagan

[The T]

And yet the neo-cons still follow him all starry eyed.

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Strange how the ones now who say they are not neocons still worship Reagan the founder of the modern day neocons.

I thought Gingrich was the founder of the modern day Neo Cons. I'm getting confused.

Who is it I'm supposed to hating?

They don't know. Each excuse is tailor-made to suit the occasion of thier picking.

 

[code1211]

Blind, cripple or crazy, Reagan trounces the current community organizer in chief........

Well when Reagan took office we were still a creditor nation and only had around 900 billion of debt.
When Reagan left office we were a debtor nation and closer to 2 trillion in debt.
Reagan also inherited no wars.

Kinda different from 10 trillion and a debtor nation with 2 wars that Obama got?

Both leaders took office when the country was in need of bold leadership and creative direction.

As you point out, Reagan pragmatically addressed the situation with flexibility and creativity and made things better.

The Big 0, in stark contrast, has addressed the situation rigidly and with dogmatic adherance to ideas that simply do not apply to the world around him.

What you are doing is highlighting the ability of Reagan to be flexible and creative to achieve the best result for the people. By comparison with the Big 0, Reagan was 10 times the leader, the man and the President.

The Big 0 is a dismal failure scurrying around in his pathetic effort to assign the blame. He is a divider, a liar and an agenda driven political hack with no ideas, no creativity, no solid belief system and no ability to create a coalition through comprimise and generosity.

His petty and immature approach to leadership has taken us to the edge of ruin. Our only HOPE is that we can CHANGE before he takes us over the edge.

 

[code1211]

A total disaster, legacy of Iraq and Afghan, the ruin of the non rich, a depression and this incivility and brainwashing. We're lucky he didn't get Gorby killed...His best role though...

You are really from a different planet then?

In his re-election, he carried 49 states and came within 0.18% of the votes in Minnesota, the home state of his opponent of carrying all 50 states.

How is it that everyone in the country at the time knew that this guy was the genuine article and the succeeding generations of the population do not?

 

[uscitizen]

Amazing how reagan pretty much doubled the national debt and is praised by the right but carter actually dropped the national debt and is viewed by the right as the worst president.

Your typical lying bullshit, you hyper partisan twit

Carter NEVER reduced the debt

Government - Historical Debt Outstanding - Annual 1950 - 1999

Study the second set of charts at this link.

National debt by U.S. presidential terms - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Dot Com]

1. He did not raise taxes.

2. He was for balanced budgets.

3. He was not impacted by altzheimers before he left office.

Oh yeah. Nancy was running the show for awhile. She wouldn't let anyone near him.

And yet the neo-cons still follow him all starry eyed.

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Bill Kristol at Fox must get payed for the amt of times he mentions Raygun on foxnewssunday

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The American Left hates Reagan like Gollum hated Bilbo. Reagan beat their hometeam the USSR so badly he left Putin no choice but to complete the takeover of the Democrat Party

 

[Trajan]

Blind, cripple or crazy, Reagan trounces the current community organizer in chief........

Well when Reagan took office we were still a creditor nation and only had around 900 billion of debt.
When Reagan left office we were a debtor nation and closer to 2 trillion in debt.
Reagan also inherited no wars.

Kinda different from 10 trillion and a debtor nation with 2 wars that Obama got?

so 2 .3 trillion in 8 years vs. 4.1 trillion in 2.7.....




ah, so now we have gotten down to the shrub, oops, I mean nub, its Booosshh!!!!!

you could have just saved us the time and said so upfront man...

 

[Londoner]

Reagan replaced the concentrated power of government with the concentrated power of corporations. He put profit in charge of the country. He told us that if you take care of profit -- if you make the individual pursuit of profit the primary engine of society - than the public good will take care of itself - it will trickle down as the residual effect of free competition. Excellence will be rewarded, laziness punished. Move government out of the way so that innovative men like Steve Jobs and Bill Gates can bestow progress and material abundance on the masses. A rising tide...

I have a question for Reaganism - one that never gets seriously asked.

Reagan tells us that world is made of two substances: Government and freedom. INDEED: Move government out of the way, and freedom will blossom.

INDEED: Move government out of the way and Carnegie will give us cheaper steel - which will lead to cheaper costs across industries, which will trickle down into cheaper prices and material gains for all. Indeed, there will be no need for the welfare state because capitalism will lift boats higher than any incompetent bureaucrat ever could.

So we listened to the siren song of Reaganomics. We believed that if we moved government out of the way - if we divested in the middle class in order to give tax breaks to the wealthy - if we favored share holders over average workers - if we deregulated derivative markets and mortgage lending practices - than we would unleash the productive power of capital. Indeed, let innovators innovate! "Yes", the Right screams passionately, "Washington has no business telling Wall Street professionals what to do. Let the financial geniuses innovate! Let them deliver prosperity to all!"

So we listened. We got out of energy, health care, and financial markets.

The Reagan Revolution (supported by both parties, especially Clinton) got government out of energy.

The Reagan Revolution got government out of health care.

The Reagan Revolution got government out of financial markets.

And now we have crusty dysfunctional monopolies over our major delivery systems. Worse: we keep having to bail out the "free" market because Reagan forgot to tell us about the corruption of too-big-to-fail monopolies. (The right NEVER talks about Reagan's merger-mania which allowed corporations to buy the competition so they didn't have to compete) The country is now run on behalf of Eli Lilly and Goldman Sachs. This was Reagan's dream. Move government out of the way so that creative business people could run the economy. Welcome to it.

Here is what Reagan forgot to tell us about the profit motive. Here is what he forgot to tell us about a world where business runs government.

Sometimes the profit motive leads men to bribe politicians, scientists, and regulators. Sometimes it leads men to bribe politicians to crush energy competition. Sometimes it leads men to bribe politicians to crush drug competition. Sometimes it leads men to bribe politicians to create a no-compete Health Care system where a small handful of companies control pre-defined territories. Sometimes it leads men to buy television and radio and internet information systems so that they can cover up their monopolized control of the economy. Sometimes it turns politics into a pay to play nightmare where corporations bribe both parties to do their bidding, than they pay TV & Radio personalities to lie about who really controls Washington.

(Why did the Reagan Revolution only tell one side of the story?)

(Why did Reagan tell us that freedom would emerge if we moved government out of the way?)

(Why didn't he tell us that corporations would form there own centralized control over the economy and politics? - a system where health care profits would continue to rise, but coverage would decrease (because the profit motive leads to the capture of the regulatory system, for the purpose of crushing competition). - a system where energy costs would continue to rise, but innovation in non-petroleum technology would be crushed. Why didn't Reagan warn us that the profit motive might lead to the anti-competitive monopolization of the American economy? )

The American Right has been lied to. They've only been told one side of the profit motive. For every Steve Jobs there is a corrupt derivative trader - both motivated by profit.

Do Republicans know the story of the 2003 Drug Bill - where Big Business and Big Government worked together to tie the American tax payer to monopolized drug costs, whereby the government had to pay above market costs for drugs which were protected from foreign competition?

(Why are Republicans never told about how corporations have created a more corrupt and more centralized and more anti-competitive economy than Big Government Liberals ever dreamed?)

(Why has the Republican base been so thoroughly fooled into not seeing the Big Business takeover of the country?)

(What if there is no "Big Government"? What if Big Business and their share holders control elections and staff government?)

(How come the Right doesn't know that there are two John Gaults? -one who creates life-saving medicine, and one who bribes government so he doesn't have to compete, so he doesn't have to take the risk of re-investment, so he is protected by monopoly control of his market.)

(Why does the Right not know both sides of the story? Why do they have such a simplistic view of the profit motive? Why does the right not know how big oil captured Reagan in the 80s and suppressed alternative energy competition - thereby tying us to rising energy costs and a future of never-ending oil-based recessions...????)

(Why has the Right been so thoroughly fooled by only one side of the profit motive?)

Why does the Right not know the truth about Reagan? He didn't move government out of the way on behalf of freedom; rather, he just replaced the concentrated power of government (which gave us a powerful middle class consumer) with the concentrated power of corporations (which gave us dysfunctional monopolies).

Reagan gave us the concentrated power of corporations - and he called it freedom.

 

[uscitizen]

Ronnie was an actor aka a professional liar......

He was lost in later years without his teleprompter.

 

[Trajan]

Ronnie was an actor aka a professional liar......

He was lost in later years without his teleprompter.

anything else?

were his shoes shined? boxers or briefs? oh wait, he went Commando

 

[DiamondDave]

Amazing how reagan pretty much doubled the national debt and is praised by the right but carter actually dropped the national debt and is viewed by the right as the worst president.

Your typical lying bullshit, you hyper partisan twit

Carter NEVER reduced the debt

Government - Historical Debt Outstanding - Annual 1950 - 1999

Study the second set of charts at this link.

National debt by U.S. presidential terms - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Idiot.. the actual numbers that are accurate prove you are a hyper-partisan hack liar...

You've been pwned

 

[Dot Com]

Ronnie was an actor aka a professional liar......

He was lost in later years without his teleprompter.

Wasn't he a Union Leader too?

 

[uscitizen]

Ronnie was an actor aka a professional liar......

He was lost in later years without his teleprompter.

Wasn't he a Union Leader too?

Yep and defended communist actors.

but that all changed when he married into Nancy's money.

Kinda like marrying a Ketchup or Beer heiress.

 

[Dot Com]

Ronnie was an actor aka a professional liar......

He was lost in later years without his teleprompter.

Wasn't he a Union Leader too?

Yep and defended communist actors.

but that all changed when he married into Nancy's money.

Kinda like marrying a Ketchup or Beer heiress.

McCain married into $ too He aint from Arizona

 

[uscitizen]

Wasn't he a Union Leader too?

Yep and defended communist actors.

but that all changed when he married into Nancy's money.

Kinda like marrying a Ketchup or Beer heiress.

McCain married into $ too He aint from Arizona

Yep that was the beer heiress part.

 

[mudwhistle]

Oh yeah. Nancy was running the show for awhile. She wouldn't let anyone near him.

And yet the neo-cons still follow him all starry eyed.

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Strange how the ones now who say they are not neocons still worship Reagan the founder of the modern day neocons.

I sense a bit of penis-envy from you.

 

[mudwhistle]

Ronnie was an actor aka a professional liar......

He was lost in later years without his teleprompter.

That POS you guys put in the White House must bug you so much that you've got to resort to tearing down a dead President.

It's pretty fucken pathetic.

Every post you make against Reagan just makes me lose more and more respect for you.

 

[Avorysuds]

1. He did not raise taxes.

2. He was for balanced budgets.

3. He was not impacted by altzheimers before he left office.

And that's why the crazy guy Ron Paul wrote him a letter saying he was leaving the party while so many of the other went on to become big Government spenders...

 

[Yurt]

funny how uscitizen blames the gop for everything on obama's watch, but doesn't mention the dems on reagan's watch.

wait, that really isn't funny.

 

[mudwhistle]

1. He did not raise taxes.

2. He was for balanced budgets.

3. He was not impacted by altzheimers before he left office.

And that's why the crazy guy Ron Paul wrote him a letter saying he was leaving the party while so many of the other went on to become big Government spenders...

The more I listen to Ron Paul the more I like the fact that he's in Congress and not in the White House.