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and I really see no need to watch old black and white movies than were made before I was born.
Funny, the Bible was written before you were born,and your side (maybe not you personally) keep citing that as a guide for life.
Most of the Constitution was written before you were born, but man, you fucking cite that like it's holy fucking writ! What, want to keep crazies from getting guns? But, but, but, RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS!!!!
I have never read the bible
I am not a religious person at all
and to quote Treebeard, "I am on nobody's side because nobody is on my side"
And you now have to quote where I said the adjudicated mentally ill should be able to own firearms. And good luck with that one
IMO no one who has ever been convicted of a crime should be able to own a firearm. That said people like me who will pass every background check you can think of should be able to own whatever and as many firearms as they want.
Anyone convicted of any crime while in possession of a firearm should get a minimum mandatory 25 year sentence with no parole. Those who commit a violent crime while in possession of a firearm should get life. But you don't want to punish the actual criminals
In other words, you don't agree with the foundational principles upon which this Republic was founded. You think God don't love you so you love the concept of a God / government. You want different classes of citizens, no unalienable Rights, and the perfect Nanny State. Got it.
If you abuse the rights you have by bringing harm to others you should be punished. The best way to punish people who commit crimes and harm other is to deny them the rights and privileges of those who do not commit crimes and harm others
But I suppose you're one of those idiots who say they would let a convicted child molester babysit their kids because everyone deserves a second chance, right?
So you presuppose I'm an idiot?
Well, IF the government were doing their job, child molesters would not be allowed back onto the streets.
Since you DO have a problem with some Rights, let me assure you, this nation was built upon the premise that some Rights are unalienable... that is, above the reach of government. When people commit crimes, they are removed from society and punished along with the hope that prison reformed / rehabilitated that individual.
That's a separate issue, but we need to invest in rehabilitation and if people cannot be rehabilitated, you don't put them back into society.
There is no presupposing, you have shown yourself to be just that.So you presuppose I'm an idiot?
Take away ones liberty, yet you better not touch mine. SMFHWell, IF the government were doing their job, child molesters would not be allowed back onto the streets.
You seem to have a problem with some rights, some people get them while others don't. Obviously unalienable doesn't mean absolute.Since you DO have a problem with some Rights, let me assure you, this nation was built upon the premise that some Rights are unalienable... that is, above the reach of government. When people commit crimes, they are removed from society and punished along with the hope that prison reformed / rehabilitated that individual.
Let the punishment fit the crime, once the punishment is done then they have the right to be let back into society.That's a separate issue, but we need to invest in rehabilitation and if people cannot be rehabilitated, you don't put them back into society.
Paying a person an agreed upon wage for an agreed upon job is not stealing.
No one is forcing anyone to work for them
That would be true if the alternative weren't starving.
So, let's do it this way. Everyone gets a guaranteed income, and then the One Percent can negotiate for any labor they want done beyond that.
Works for me.
Sure does, until that $5 burger you just flipped starts selling for $10-$12, then you'll be back to pissing and moaning.
This has been gone over many, many times. To get people at $15 an hour means that the average cost of a MickeyDs meal goes up, at the most, a quarter.
They don't have the first clue about basic economics, inflation comes to mind real quick in their scenarios.Paying a person an agreed upon wage for an agreed upon job is not stealing.
No one is forcing anyone to work for them
That would be true if the alternative weren't starving.
So, let's do it this way. Everyone gets a guaranteed income, and then the One Percent can negotiate for any labor they want done beyond that.
Works for me.
Sure does, until that $5 burger you just flipped starts selling for $10-$12, then you'll be back to pissing and moaning.
This has been gone over many, many times. To get people at $15 an hour means that the average cost of a MickeyDs meal goes up, at the most, a quarter.
Only in the most simplistic and imaginary scenarios.
If burger baggers got 15 an hour then everyone who makes less than 15 an hour would also get a raise to 15 an hour.
So basically the prices for everything a fast food place needs to run from the paper bags, napkins, straws, cleaning supplies, bread, meat, pickles, onions etc will rise as all those distributors raise the pay of everyone making less than 15 an hour. On top of that the employer's share of payroll taxes will rise, their workman's comp tax will rise, their state and federal unemployment taxes will rise, their business liability insurance will rise.
You obviously don't realize that running a business involves far more than just employee salary
Paying a person an agreed upon wage for an agreed upon job is not stealing.
No one is forcing anyone to work for them
That would be true if the alternative weren't starving.
So, let's do it this way. Everyone gets a guaranteed income, and then the One Percent can negotiate for any labor they want done beyond that.
Works for me.
Sure does, until that $5 burger you just flipped starts selling for $10-$12, then you'll be back to pissing and moaning.
This has been gone over many, many times. To get people at $15 an hour means that the average cost of a MickeyDs meal goes up, at the most, a quarter.
Paying a person an agreed upon wage for an agreed upon job is not stealing.
No one is forcing anyone to work for them
That would be true if the alternative weren't starving.
So, let's do it this way. Everyone gets a guaranteed income, and then the One Percent can negotiate for any labor they want done beyond that.
Works for me.
Sure does, until that $5 burger you just flipped starts selling for $10-$12, then you'll be back to pissing and moaning.
This has been gone over many, many times. To get people at $15 an hour means that the average cost of a MickeyDs meal goes up, at the most, a quarter.
Only in the most simplistic and imaginary scenarios.
If burger baggers got 15 an hour then everyone who makes less than 15 an hour would also get a raise to 15 an hour.
So basically the prices for everything a fast food place needs to run from the paper bags, napkins, straws, cleaning supplies, bread, meat, pickles, onions etc will rise as all those distributors raise the pay of everyone making less than 15 an hour. On top of that the employer's share of payroll taxes will rise, their workman's comp tax will rise, their state and federal unemployment taxes will rise, their business liability insurance will rise.
You obviously don't realize that running a business involves far more than just employee salary
Funny, the Bible was written before you were born,and your side (maybe not you personally) keep citing that as a guide for life.
Most of the Constitution was written before you were born, but man, you fucking cite that like it's holy fucking writ! What, want to keep crazies from getting guns? But, but, but, RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS!!!!
I have never read the bible
I am not a religious person at all
and to quote Treebeard, "I am on nobody's side because nobody is on my side"
And you now have to quote where I said the adjudicated mentally ill should be able to own firearms. And good luck with that one
IMO no one who has ever been convicted of a crime should be able to own a firearm. That said people like me who will pass every background check you can think of should be able to own whatever and as many firearms as they want.
Anyone convicted of any crime while in possession of a firearm should get a minimum mandatory 25 year sentence with no parole. Those who commit a violent crime while in possession of a firearm should get life. But you don't want to punish the actual criminals
In other words, you don't agree with the foundational principles upon which this Republic was founded. You think God don't love you so you love the concept of a God / government. You want different classes of citizens, no unalienable Rights, and the perfect Nanny State. Got it.
If you abuse the rights you have by bringing harm to others you should be punished. The best way to punish people who commit crimes and harm other is to deny them the rights and privileges of those who do not commit crimes and harm others
But I suppose you're one of those idiots who say they would let a convicted child molester babysit their kids because everyone deserves a second chance, right?
So you presuppose I'm an idiot?
Well, IF the government were doing their job, child molesters would not be allowed back onto the streets.
Since you DO have a problem with some Rights, let me assure you, this nation was built upon the premise that some Rights are unalienable... that is, above the reach of government. When people commit crimes, they are removed from society and punished along with the hope that prison reformed / rehabilitated that individual.
That's a separate issue, but we need to invest in rehabilitation and if people cannot be rehabilitated, you don't put them back into society.
Do you practice what you preach? Would you hire a convicted child molester to watch your kids? Would you want a convicted embezzler to handle your portfolio? If you would then you would want a person convicted of a violent crime with a firearm to be able to own as many firearms as he wants.
And we have no obligation to rehabilitate pieces of shit who choose to abuse their rights by victimizing others.
Paying a person an agreed upon wage for an agreed upon job is not stealing.
No one is forcing anyone to work for them
That would be true if the alternative weren't starving.
So, let's do it this way. Everyone gets a guaranteed income, and then the One Percent can negotiate for any labor they want done beyond that.
Works for me.
Sure does, until that $5 burger you just flipped starts selling for $10-$12, then you'll be back to pissing and moaning.
This has been gone over many, many times. To get people at $15 an hour means that the average cost of a MickeyDs meal goes up, at the most, a quarter.
Sure, at most a quarter, if 80% of the workers become automated robots.
Paying a person an agreed upon wage for an agreed upon job is not stealing.
No one is forcing anyone to work for them
That would be true if the alternative weren't starving.
So, let's do it this way. Everyone gets a guaranteed income, and then the One Percent can negotiate for any labor they want done beyond that.
Works for me.
Sure does, until that $5 burger you just flipped starts selling for $10-$12, then you'll be back to pissing and moaning.
This has been gone over many, many times. To get people at $15 an hour means that the average cost of a MickeyDs meal goes up, at the most, a quarter.
Only in the most simplistic and imaginary scenarios.
If burger baggers got 15 an hour then everyone who makes less than 15 an hour would also get a raise to 15 an hour.
So basically the prices for everything a fast food place needs to run from the paper bags, napkins, straws, cleaning supplies, bread, meat, pickles, onions etc will rise as all those distributors raise the pay of everyone making less than 15 an hour. On top of that the employer's share of payroll taxes will rise, their workman's comp tax will rise, their state and federal unemployment taxes will rise, their business liability insurance will rise.
You obviously don't realize that running a business involves far more than just employee salary
Not to mention the folks making $20/hour would need to be raised to $30/hour, etc, etc.
This has been gone over many, many times. To get people at $15 an hour means that the average cost of a MickeyDs meal goes up, at the most, a quarter.
Paying a person an agreed upon wage for an agreed upon job is not stealing.
No one is forcing anyone to work for them
That would be true if the alternative weren't starving.
So, let's do it this way. Everyone gets a guaranteed income, and then the One Percent can negotiate for any labor they want done beyond that.
Works for me.
Hiring people who can perform a job with the skill needed for the lowest cost the market allows is not cheating.
If they do all the work and you get all the profits, I can't imagine a better definition of cheating.
When the poor steal, it's called Crime.
When the rich steal, it's called Profits.
Where in our laws does it state that? Granted child molesters are scum, but I haven't found anywhere in our laws that says they are suppose to be put to death. SMFHIn all honesty, I hire people based upon recent performance. IF someone is a child molester, they are supposed to be put to death.
How would you know the convicted embezzler was rehabilitated? It is not our job to rehabilitate people, they can be offered the chance, but it is ultimately their choice. Then make the punishment fit the crime.IF a convicted embezzler were to be rehabilitated, then yes I would give them a job. The problem we have is that we do not rehabilitate people who are incarcerated. And YES, it is our job to do so. You don't send dangerous people back into society and expect that they will just start being normal. That's the most irresponsible attitude one can imagine when you ignore that reality.
Until the rich run out of money
like I said you suck at math
We're not burning the money, are we/
So let's look at that. We take the money from the rich and give it to working people. They are going to buy practical stuff. Stuff other people will get jobs to make or sell. You know, thousands of meals instead of one single dancing horsie.
In fact, our Food Stamp Program exists SOLELY to create agricultural jobs by keeping demand for food products up. that' why it exists.
Businesses should be financially responsible for their employees families.
Businesses don't open up to provide for families, businesses open up to produce products or services for a profit. That's it. Nobody opens up a business as a social obligation. If I decide to open up my own lawn care business, I do so because I no longer want to work for somebody else. I took my hard earned money so I can advance myself in life like everybody should. I'm taking a huge gamble that one day I might make enough to live well and possibly grow my lawn care business. I didn't open up my business to provide for others. I have work that needs to be done, and this is what I'm willing to pay to get that work done.
I agree with what you're saying here; however, the people on the right will still reject their own beliefs given the right set of circumstances. For example:
Given what you said, an employer ought to be able to hire undocumented foreigners. They should also be able to hire an all white workforce, an all black one, or one that does not accept gays. It's like you said, it's their business. Why do they owe anyone in the private sector a job? If the employer should be able to decide how much to pay, why not allow the employer to decide who they will and will not offer the job to?
Works for you because you want to get paid for not working. You are more than happy to have money taken from others and given to you
I for one would rather pick up dog shit for a penny a pile than go on the dole.
Correct, because if there were no food stamps, people would just quit eating.
Only in the most simplistic and imaginary scenarios.
If burger baggers got 15 an hour then everyone who makes less than 15 an hour would also get a raise to 15 an hour.
So basically the prices for everything a fast food place needs to run from the paper bags, napkins, straws, cleaning supplies, bread, meat, pickles, onions etc will rise as all those distributors raise the pay of everyone making less than 15 an hour. On top of that the employer's share of payroll taxes will rise, their workman's comp tax will rise, their state and federal unemployment taxes will rise, their business liability insurance will rise.
You obviously don't realize that running a business involves far more than just employee salary
There are alternatives to starving. Getting a better paying job is one of them. In order to do that you need to learn how to do work that you can take with you to any job in that field.
When the poor steal, they are taking property from a rightful owner of that property. The rich don't do that.
