Here’s why people flipping burgers and dunking fries SHOULD receive $15 per hour

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    Poverty will never be alleviated, because human nature is unchangeable.

    Some are driven to succeed, some are not.
     
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    No one ever claimed it can be eliminated. The keyword obviously is “alleviated”.
     
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    I think the harder you work the less you should get paid. The less you work the more you should get paid.

    That's why the Obamas came to Washington in debt and left multi-millionaires.
     
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    That's true BK but you find something wrong with trying to lift up those "are nots""or are you a republican
     
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    Poverty only exists because money exists......and some people are too lazy to take care of themselves.
     
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    Just follow my rules Muddy
    1 Once you have their money, you never give it back.
    3 Never spend more for an acquisition than you have to.
    6 Never allow family to stand in the way of opportunity.
    7 Keep your ears open and your eyes on the mark.
    9 Opportunity plus instinct equals profit.
    10 Greed is eternal.
    16 A deal is a deal.
    17 A contract is a contract is a contract... but only between Republicans
    18 A Republican without profit is no Republican at all.
    21 Never place friendship above profit.
    22 A wise man can hear profit in the wind.
     
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    Yet again, a Liberal has redefined words to mean what they were never intended to mean. I keep running into this. Let me help you out here by giving you the proper definitions, and intentions, of words

    Minimum wage. This was a threshold. It did not mean that it was intended to be a living wage It was never intended to be a living wage. What the intent was to communicate this simple message. Anything below that would be considered slave wages. It helped put an end to the “company stores” of lore and legend where you were paid in script, and had to buy what the company offered, at the price the company set.

    Minimum wage was never looked at as a living wage. It was and is intended as a starting point. A place where people can begin their work careers. Not find the first job, and stay there for life. Work and careers are viewed as a ladder, where the intention is that you climb upwards, to bigger and better things, with bigger and better paychecks.

    The market decides who is worth what. I doubt you could find a Cardiac Surgeon who made less than President Obama. I doubt you could find a Pizza Delivery Driver who made more. The point is that the market decides what a job is worth in compensation.

    A master welder will usually make more than the college educated manager who oversees him. A heavy equipment operator will almost always make far more than the managers who oversee them. Truckers make more than the dispatchers who assign the jobs to them.

    It comes down to how much do you have to pay to get someone to do the job. Minimum wage jobs are essentially unskilled labor. Not fair to say, but true anyway. The more skills, the more experience you have, the more you can make. The better you are, the more in demand you are.

    About a decade ago, I was listening to NPR when they profiled a guy who had changed jobs every year for the last decade. He was a physicist who was working on Cold Fusion. I know, pipe dream. But companies constantly recruited him, and offered him double whatever he was making. So he would take the next job, with the greater compensation offer. The next year, again he’s recruited, and again the money doubled.

    His specialty was in high demand, and he was reaping the benefits of that demand. Hardly a new story, we see it all the time in sports, entertainment, and other environment. Where someone takes a new job, and contract, for a larger paycheck than they were getting.

    That is the capitalist way. That is the very principle that a successful economy is built upon. We have a bottom rung on the ladder. We decide you can’t work for less than that. We don’t have a top rung. The top rung on that ladder is strictly up to you.

    If you build a better tool, you can run the world. Ask a local Icon in Savannah. Paul Bradley. He took a tool his Father designed, and marketed it, and made enough money to put himself through College, and buy a classic Ferrari. Entreprenurial spirit leads to Ferrari donation to SCAD | AccessWDUN.com

    There is no top rung. There is no limit to what you can achieve. Even if you only become a good blue collar worker, you can earn those middle class wages. You don’t have to be great. You don’t even have to be very good. Just get a skill, become skilled labor, and then enjoy the life.

    Demanding skilled labor wages for unskilled labor is not kind to the workers. It is insulting to them, and to everyone else.

    Minimum wage was never intended to be a pseudonym of living wage. It was intended to be the minimum. Anything below that was slave wages.
     
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    I believe that's the word I wrote.

    (Billy looks)

    Yup.
     
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    No problem at all within private charity, which is not nor has ever legally been a venue of the federal government.
     
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    Do they? I don't know, but one'd have to be a cave dwelling hermit who simply hasn't a well informed understanding of the "real world," as it were, to seriously entertain such a notion.

    Nationwide minimum wage
    The notion that one wage be the minimum hourly wage that is adequate for every locality in the U.S. is the problem with the minimum wage debate at the national level. The same is so with regard to tax rates/brackets. Quite simply, ~$31K/year of gross income buys completely different bundles of goods and services in different places.

    The concept I described above is called "purchasing power," and if things like federal income tax rates and nationally stipulated minimum wages are to be fair -- both to wage earner and wage payers -- they need to be indexed to something so that they take into account the purchasing power applicable to a given geographical area of a reasonable size (counties, cities and surrounding area up to X miles distant, or some other metric).

    Some might think doing that is overly cumbersome, but in this day of computerized "everything," it isn't at all. Indeed, it's something doable in an instant using a spreadsheet, which, frankly, is a rather archaic way to implement the idea, but I've stated it that way to illustrate the simplicity of doing it.
     
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