Time to put pressure on the GOP. . .

[busybee01]

The people who are blaming TDS for criticism of Trump were themselves OBS sufferers. Maybe we ought to consider the novel idea that there is legitinate criticosm.

For example, no one claimed Trump is dismantling all environmental regulations. He has however, without thought, attempted to with as many Obama era rules as he can with no study, no careful pro and con consideration of the effects but solely because Obama did it. Many of the people he put in charge are energy industry people who will directly benefit from these actions. Add to that he has had a number of ethically challenged if not downright corrupt people in charge.


His behavior regarding healthcare is similar. No replacement but doing all he can to wreck it. How will that effect people? Now I am willing to give him a positive if he tackles drug prices.

Your evidence that the rolled back regulations were done with no study or careful pro and con consideration for the effects? Or are you simply reciting the propaganda/talking points the left puts out about that? Those rolled back regulations have been an important part of the current economic boom as is the stability in a much more business and prosperity friendly tax code.

My husband and I losing our primary care doctors and him losing his trusted cancer doctor as a direct result of Obamacare was enough for me to want to dump the whole thing that President Trump has not done. Nor is he trying to get rid of coverage for pre-existing conditions. He has removed some of the most damning and ridiculous aspects of it which is one of several reasons the economy is now booming and couldn't before.

Obama went before the cameras time and again to assure us that if like our doctor we can keep our doctor, period. If we like our healthcare plan we can keep our healthcare plan, period. Both turned out to be bald faced lies. Doctors and healthcare plans had to comply with Obamacare rules or they were not allowed to be in business.

Obama assured us our taxes would not go up one penny due to Obamacare. Then his lawyers went before the Supreme Court arguing that the mandates were a tax and therefore legal for Congress to enact.

Though they haven't done it, there wasn't anything in place before Obamacare other than Medicare and Medicaid and the VA. So requiring the government to REPLACE any part of Obamacare with something is pretty short sighted. When you put out a fire, what do you replace it with?

Obama claimed millions who were insured who did not have insurance before. But his rules required such enormous deductibles, copays, and coverage holes for so many people and/or lack of access to healthcare that they were far worse off than they were before. Which has been the case with us in addition to premiums for non government subsidized insurance increasing far more rapidly than it had before.

Partisan talking points are not convincing for those dealing with onerous and unnecessary government taxes, regulation, mandates in the real world. I have run a business that dealt with hundreds of businesses dealing with issues in the real world. So I know first hand, up close and personal why Trump's policies beat most of Obama's hands down.

Great post.

The ONLY people who thought Obamacare was great were the people the rest of us were paying for.

My benefit costs went up 30% every year to cover that cost.

It was a POS that never should have been passed.

If Renquist had still been alive and the Chief Justice of the SC instead of Roberts The SC would have said No to Obamacare.

A overwhelming majority of people say that Obamacare should be fixed not repealed. Obamacare has become more popular than Trump.

If the Rehnquist court had overturned it then they would have been legislating from the bench. The government has the power to regulate insurance and regulate health insurance in this country.

 

[busybee01]

He has torn the country apart, and has left it open to it's enemies, and namely one of it's greatest enemies.

Him being there can only lead to disaster.

LMAO For a torn apart country its doing damned well. A great economy. UE the lowest its been in 50 years and jobs everywhere.

If that's your idea of torn apart then your in the wrong country.

Oh and I don't see any disasters yet. You??

The country is so much more than the economy, and the economy really isn't that great right now. Wages are not rising very quickly. Tax revenues are way, way down, and the public isn't spending.

Trump's constant need for an adversary, someone to take on and defeat, means he uses everything at his disposal to create "enemies". The Democrats, the refugees, the Muslims. It's hateful and divisive. It's not building up anything, just tearing everything apart.

The NY Times, Washington Post, et al, no friends of the President, and others of the MSM concede wages are rising at the fastest rate that they have in a decade but at a rate that isn't impacting inflation. And those who most need that increase the most are doing better than the higher paid people. When you have full employment, it is a seller's market for labor. Also family income/wealth that had declined under Obama is again rising.

Trump does not go looking for adversaries. He has adversaries because he poses such a threat to the permanent political class and a socialist and/or Marxist agenda pushed by the Democrats. He is the first President in a very long time willing to put himself out there to solve real problems and actually accomplish good things for America and the American people. And he is demonstrating in spades how ineffective and nonproductive their policies have been for so long.

But yes the country is so much more than the economy. But without the ability to earn a living and take care of yourself and your family, nothing much else matters all that much.

That is not true. The fact is that most people live paycheck to paycheck. There are still a large number of people who work and need help from the government to make ends meet. Many people still have food emergencies. There is plenty of anxiety despite the good economy.,

Trump needs enemies to run against. If he can't find them then he will make them up. Trump appeals to his base and ignores everyone else. A President has to be the President for all people. He is not solving real problems. He demonizes various groups and lies constantly. The fact is that Trump's policies have been bad for America. The tax cuts for the rich are driving deficits higher than they were under Obama. He has produced nothing of value.

 

[busybee01]

You can't find any trait or action of President Trump that would make him part of the permanent political class.

Trump praises and compliments and thanks ANY Democrat who isn't trying to destroy him and his agenda. There are precious few of them, and he well understands that the Republican Party holds the only hope he has for getting legislation done that will help America, however tepid that hope is with status quo Republicans heading the party. So far all the Democrats are offering are short term benefits that cannot be sustained and socialist/even fascist initiatives that will hurt us some in the short term and pretty much all in the long term.

What they are offering could damage America to the point it would resemble Venezuela, not that long ago one of the top economies in the world but due to socialist/fascist policies now reduced to a warring, miserable, dangerous place with poverty, even starvation, too much the norm.

And that list of Trump era accomplishments up there. It ALL is much more than the status quo was. And every President has to live with his own administration's record. The Trump Administration is putting out a very VERY commendable record.

How does anybody justify taking the risk to reverse that just because they hate the President?

Not being part of the permanent political class isn't the same as being the opposite.

Democrat and Republican politicians all spend a large amount of time claiming the other 'side' is going to destroy the country, or is in the process of destroying the country. You yourself seem to have just said that Democrats are only doing things which will hurt the country. I find that idea funny, in a sad sort of way. Democrats and Republicans can and do both have ideas that would work for the country, just as both parties come up with ideas that would not. With a Republican controlled Congress and Presidency, the country has one of the highest deficits in history. With a Democrat controlled Congress and Presidency under Obama, the country had the highest deficit in history. Regardless of the party in power we've had wars and conflicts in various countries around the world. Regardless of the party in power we've had decades of the failed war on drugs. We've had the creation, continuation, and even expansion of the intrusive Patriot Act. Both parties seem to have some of the same bad ideas about how to run the government.

Venezuela was a top economy because of their massive oil reserves, I believe. I don't know if they ever had the sort of economy the US does.

Not everyone agrees with your assessment of the state of the country or of the reasons for why things are the way they are. So not everyone will see it as a risk to reverse some of the things that have occurred during the Trump administration.

I'm curious about which Democrats Trump has praised and complimented.

I get it. You really dislike the President and that probably makes you resist giving him credit for the good things that are happening. I can accept that and appreciate your civility in expressing it. We are unlikely to agree on this one though.

Actually, I dislike the president, but I think all presidents get far too much credit for things like the state of the economy. It doesn't matter if it's Trump, Obama, Bush, Clinton, etc. Very basically, the executive is supposed to enforce policy, not make it, so I tend to think Congress should have more influence on the economy. Further, I think that government in general is given too much credit for the economy. That tends to ignore both the free market and the influence of the rest of the world. It's just one of many examples of where I think people look to the government too quickly as the answer.

This is a fair assessment with the exception of one thing, government writes the rules of business. There really is no purely free market.

That is true because without RICO and fair trade laws and regulations between the states and between the USA and others, the strong would prey upon the weak with impunity, and the unethical would have nothing to restrain them.

President Trump is the ONLY President in my lifetime with the instincts and the guts to demand the USA get a fair deal in trade agreements with other countries and who has dared to take on the dangerously unethical practices of trade giants like China. Of course the current crop of Democrats pretty much refuse to look to or protect American interests in much of anything, but I am glad to see one by one some of the more reluctant Republicans start coming around to see the wisdom and profit for America in what he is doing.

We need a lot more to do so.

That is so much bullshit. Raising taxes on Americans by starting a trade war does not help America. The fact is that TPP would have reduced or eliminated a large number of tariffs on various parts of the US economy. Trump has no clue what he is doing.

 

[busybee01]

He has torn the country apart, and has left it open to it's enemies, and namely one of it's greatest enemies.

Him being there can only lead to disaster.

LMAO For a torn apart country its doing damned well. A great economy. UE the lowest its been in 50 years and jobs everywhere.

If that's your idea of torn apart then your in the wrong country.

Oh and I don't see any disasters yet. You??

The country is so much more than the economy, and the economy really isn't that great right now. Wages are not rising very quickly. Tax revenues are way, way down, and the public isn't spending.

Trump's constant need for an adversary, someone to take on and defeat, means he uses everything at his disposal to create "enemies". The Democrats, the refugees, the Muslims. It's hateful and divisive. It's not building up anything, just tearing everything apart.

The NY Times, Washington Post, et al, no friends of the President, and others of the MSM concede wages are rising at the fastest rate that they have in a decade but at a rate that isn't impacting inflation. And those who most need that increase the most are doing better than the higher paid people. When you have full employment, it is a seller's market for labor. Also family income/wealth that had declined under Obama is again rising.

Trump does not go looking for adversaries. He has adversaries because he poses such a threat to the permanent political class and a socialist and/or Marxist agenda pushed by the Democrats. He is the first President in a very long time willing to put himself out there to solve real problems and actually accomplish good things for America and the American people. And he is demonstrating in spades how ineffective and nonproductive their policies have been for so long.

But yes the country is so much more than the economy. But without the ability to earn a living and take care of yourself and your family, nothing much else matters all that much.

What makes you say Trump does not go looking for adversaries? He seems to do exactly that to me. I get the feeling he is more comfortable with someone to point to and say, "They are the bad guy!" You also say he is the first president in a long time to put himself out there to solve real problems and accomplish good things. What measures are you using to come to that conclusion? It sounds to me more like he is the first president in a long time who is promoting policies you agree with. That is not the same thing.

He doesn't throw the first punch. Ever. He will return a punch when one is thrown at him. And I say he puts himself out there because he doesn't knuckle under to the political correctness nazis or take his marching orders from the most recent poll. Again and again, under the heaviest and most dishonest and malicious criticism, he sticks to his guns when he believes he is right. Example: the crisis on the border.

Will he be wrong from time to time? Yes he will, because he is human which makes him as fallible as any human. Does he sometimes respond in ways that are unhelpful and/or criticizable? Yes he does. He is who he is. But I have never in my lifetime witnessed a President who keeps trying to do the right thing under the most intense and hateful fire ever thrown at somebody as he does. He puts himself out there.

Not being obnoxious has nothing to do with political correctness. That is a typical excuse people like you make for Trump. The reason he doesn't take orders from polls is because he is stupid enough to believe he is winning. That is what is happened in 2018.

The fact is that he is nearly always wrong. He appeals to his far right wing base. He is selfish and will divide Americans because he knows that is the only way he has a prayer.

 

[Montrovant]

Trump never said that.

Why must you effin LIE so much?

14 of Donald Trump's most outrageous 'birther' claims - CNNPolitics

No wonder your dumb-ass loves Trump so much, the lies bind you in common.

At no point did he say in ANY of those statements/incidents that Obama was born in Kenya. He was repeating the controversies--most of which were created by Obama himself with his inadvertent statements--that were floating around all over the country at that time. It was things like Obama saying "my Muslim faith"--something George Stephanopoulous quickly urged him to correct to "Christian faith", the well publicized statement by his Kenyan grandmother that he was born there, the intense secrecy Obama kept about all his birth records, that when he did release them he would only allow a couple of staunch Obama supporters examine and report on them, his secrecy about college admissions, etc. when he could have put the controversies to rest by simply making them available, etc.

I don't blame him for not making those things public but he did invite the controversy to continue. Just as Trump is encouraging speculation about his taxes when he chose not to release them for public scrutiny.

Whenever somebody says something can't be done--like getting Obama's birth records--that is like waving a flag in front of a bull to Donald Trump, then and now. He loves a challenge and he loves accomplishing things that people say he can't done or that can't be done. I am pretty sure that was his motive for going after Obama's birth records.

And ultimately it was Donald Trump who put the matter to rest with his unequivocable and firm statement that Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii.

Trump has a habit of never explicitly saying something is true, instead using terms like "I've heard from many people" or "Lots of people are saying." It allows him to put a message out while leaving himself an opening to back away from it, "I never actually said that, I just pointed out other people are saying it." He rarely seems to actually point out who it is he's heard saying things. I hate to use this analogy because I'm afraid it will lead to the idea I think he's a criminal, but it reminds me of the way criminals in TV and film will use the word 'allegedly' when describing crimes they committed, in order to not explicitly admit to the crimes. It gives the impression of plausible deniability, which is another example of why I don't think Trump is so very different from the politicians we normally see.

So while Trump may never have said "Obama was born in Kenya," he helped push that narrative.

FFS friend... like this trick is anything new.
Politicians at all levels and party affiliation have been doing this for centuries.

1. That others do it doesn't change that Trump does it as well.
2. Trump seems to do it both more often and less subtly than other politicians.

 

[Montrovant]

Trump never said that.

Why must you effin LIE so much?

14 of Donald Trump's most outrageous 'birther' claims - CNNPolitics

No wonder your dumb-ass loves Trump so much, the lies bind you in common.

At no point did he say in ANY of those statements/incidents that Obama was born in Kenya. He was repeating the controversies--most of which were created by Obama himself with his inadvertent statements--that were floating around all over the country at that time. It was things like Obama saying "my Muslim faith"--something George Stephanopoulous quickly urged him to correct to "Christian faith", the well publicized statement by his Kenyan grandmother that he was born there, the intense secrecy Obama kept about all his birth records, that when he did release them he would only allow a couple of staunch Obama supporters examine and report on them, his secrecy about college admissions, etc. when he could have put the controversies to rest by simply making them available, etc.

I don't blame him for not making those things public but he did invite the controversy to continue. Just as Trump is encouraging speculation about his taxes when he chose not to release them for public scrutiny.

Whenever somebody says something can't be done--like getting Obama's birth records--that is like waving a flag in front of a bull to Donald Trump, then and now. He loves a challenge and he loves accomplishing things that people say he can't done or that can't be done. I am pretty sure that was his motive for going after Obama's birth records.

And ultimately it was Donald Trump who put the matter to rest with his unequivocable and firm statement that Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii.

Trump has a habit of never explicitly saying something is true, instead using terms like "I've heard from many people" or "Lots of people are saying." It allows him to put a message out while leaving himself an opening to back away from it, "I never actually said that, I just pointed out other people are saying it." He rarely seems to actually point out who it is he's heard saying things. I hate to use this analogy because I'm afraid it will lead to the idea I think he's a criminal, but it reminds me of the way criminals in TV and film will use the word 'allegedly' when describing crimes they committed, in order to not explicitly admit to the crimes. It gives the impression of plausible deniability, which is another example of why I don't think Trump is so very different from the politicians we normally see.

So while Trump may never have said "Obama was born in Kenya," he helped push that narrative.

He didn't help more than did millions of us who were curious about all that. He joined in the questions/discussions/subjects about it that probably 90% of us who were not lavish Obama supporters participated in. He joins in a lot of national discussions that way, and he is NOT wrong in saying that the discussion is out there. And like me and many others, he is curious about what is true and what is not in those discussions. He would have made a brilliant journalist in being unafraid to be politically incorrect on issues while not committing to a conclusion until the evidence is totally convincing.

A lot of the more hateful anti-Trumpers and media could take lessons from that.

Trump absolutely helped the birther movement more than most others. If for no other reason, Trump has both more resources and more attention put on him than the vast majority of people. Celebrities are able to reach a wider audience more easily than the average person, and Trump has been a celebrity (whether one thinks he is good or bad) for many years.

 

[Dragonlady]

Trump never said that.

Why must you effin LIE so much?

14 of Donald Trump's most outrageous 'birther' claims - CNNPolitics

No wonder your dumb-ass loves Trump so much, the lies bind you in common.

At no point did he say in ANY of those statements/incidents that Obama was born in Kenya. He was repeating the controversies--most of which were created by Obama himself with his inadvertent statements--that were floating around all over the country at that time. It was things like Obama saying "my Muslim faith"--something George Stephanopoulous quickly urged him to correct to "Christian faith", the well publicized statement by his Kenyan grandmother that he was born there, the intense secrecy Obama kept about all his birth records, that when he did release them he would only allow a couple of staunch Obama supporters examine and report on them, his secrecy about college admissions, etc. when he could have put the controversies to rest by simply making them available, etc.

I don't blame him for not making those things public but he did invite the controversy to continue. Just as Trump is encouraging speculation about his taxes when he chose not to release them for public scrutiny.

Whenever somebody says something can't be done--like getting Obama's birth records--that is like waving a flag in front of a bull to Donald Trump, then and now. He loves a challenge and he loves accomplishing things that people say he can't done or that can't be done. I am pretty sure that was his motive for going after Obama's birth records.

And ultimately it was Donald Trump who put the matter to rest with his unequivocable and firm statement that Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii.

Trump has a habit of never explicitly saying something is true, instead using terms like "I've heard from many people" or "Lots of people are saying." It allows him to put a message out while leaving himself an opening to back away from it, "I never actually said that, I just pointed out other people are saying it." He rarely seems to actually point out who it is he's heard saying things. I hate to use this analogy because I'm afraid it will lead to the idea I think he's a criminal, but it reminds me of the way criminals in TV and film will use the word 'allegedly' when describing crimes they committed, in order to not explicitly admit to the crimes. It gives the impression of plausible deniability, which is another example of why I don't think Trump is so very different from the politicians we normally see.

So while Trump may never have said "Obama was born in Kenya," he helped push that narrative.

He didn't help more than did millions of us who were curious about all that. He joined in the questions/discussions/subjects about it that probably 90% of us who were not lavish Obama supporters participated in. He joins in a lot of national discussions that way, and he is NOT wrong in saying that the discussion is out there. And like me and many others, he is curious about what is true and what is not in those discussions. He would have made a brilliant journalist in being unafraid to be politically incorrect on issues while not committing to a conclusion until the evidence is totally convincing.

A lot of the more hateful anti-Trumpers and media could take lessons from that.

Trump absolutely helped the birther movement more than most others. If for no other reason, Trump has both more resources and more attention put on him than the vast majority of people. Celebrities are able to reach a wider audience more easily than the average person, and Trump has been a celebrity (whether one thinks he is good or bad) for many years.

I've long believed that Trump's entire birther campaign was market research to determine how truly gullible the American public are. The number is 30%. 30% believed the birther lie. Not coincidentally, Trump's hard core base is 30%. He can tell them any lie, and they believe him.

 

[Foxfyre]

Trump never said that.

Why must you effin LIE so much?

14 of Donald Trump's most outrageous 'birther' claims - CNNPolitics

No wonder your dumb-ass loves Trump so much, the lies bind you in common.

At no point did he say in ANY of those statements/incidents that Obama was born in Kenya. He was repeating the controversies--most of which were created by Obama himself with his inadvertent statements--that were floating around all over the country at that time. It was things like Obama saying "my Muslim faith"--something George Stephanopoulous quickly urged him to correct to "Christian faith", the well publicized statement by his Kenyan grandmother that he was born there, the intense secrecy Obama kept about all his birth records, that when he did release them he would only allow a couple of staunch Obama supporters examine and report on them, his secrecy about college admissions, etc. when he could have put the controversies to rest by simply making them available, etc.

I don't blame him for not making those things public but he did invite the controversy to continue. Just as Trump is encouraging speculation about his taxes when he chose not to release them for public scrutiny.

Whenever somebody says something can't be done--like getting Obama's birth records--that is like waving a flag in front of a bull to Donald Trump, then and now. He loves a challenge and he loves accomplishing things that people say he can't done or that can't be done. I am pretty sure that was his motive for going after Obama's birth records.

And ultimately it was Donald Trump who put the matter to rest with his unequivocable and firm statement that Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii.

Trump has a habit of never explicitly saying something is true, instead using terms like "I've heard from many people" or "Lots of people are saying." It allows him to put a message out while leaving himself an opening to back away from it, "I never actually said that, I just pointed out other people are saying it." He rarely seems to actually point out who it is he's heard saying things. I hate to use this analogy because I'm afraid it will lead to the idea I think he's a criminal, but it reminds me of the way criminals in TV and film will use the word 'allegedly' when describing crimes they committed, in order to not explicitly admit to the crimes. It gives the impression of plausible deniability, which is another example of why I don't think Trump is so very different from the politicians we normally see.

So while Trump may never have said "Obama was born in Kenya," he helped push that narrative.

He didn't help more than did millions of us who were curious about all that. He joined in the questions/discussions/subjects about it that probably 90% of us who were not lavish Obama supporters participated in. He joins in a lot of national discussions that way, and he is NOT wrong in saying that the discussion is out there. And like me and many others, he is curious about what is true and what is not in those discussions. He would have made a brilliant journalist in being unafraid to be politically incorrect on issues while not committing to a conclusion until the evidence is totally convincing.

A lot of the more hateful anti-Trumpers and media could take lessons from that.

Trump absolutely helped the birther movement more than most others. If for no other reason, Trump has both more resources and more attention put on him than the vast majority of people. Celebrities are able to reach a wider audience more easily than the average person, and Trump has been a celebrity (whether one thinks he is good or bad) for many years.

The Birther controversy was not Donald Trump's doing. But yes, he had the time and wherewithal that many don't so that he could see if he could solve the mystery. That isn't a crime. It isn't even really criticizable. So he had some fun with it. And he is the one who ended it.

 

[Foxfyre]

Why must you effin LIE so much?

14 of Donald Trump's most outrageous 'birther' claims - CNNPolitics

No wonder your dumb-ass loves Trump so much, the lies bind you in common.

At no point did he say in ANY of those statements/incidents that Obama was born in Kenya. He was repeating the controversies--most of which were created by Obama himself with his inadvertent statements--that were floating around all over the country at that time. It was things like Obama saying "my Muslim faith"--something George Stephanopoulous quickly urged him to correct to "Christian faith", the well publicized statement by his Kenyan grandmother that he was born there, the intense secrecy Obama kept about all his birth records, that when he did release them he would only allow a couple of staunch Obama supporters examine and report on them, his secrecy about college admissions, etc. when he could have put the controversies to rest by simply making them available, etc.

I don't blame him for not making those things public but he did invite the controversy to continue. Just as Trump is encouraging speculation about his taxes when he chose not to release them for public scrutiny.

Whenever somebody says something can't be done--like getting Obama's birth records--that is like waving a flag in front of a bull to Donald Trump, then and now. He loves a challenge and he loves accomplishing things that people say he can't done or that can't be done. I am pretty sure that was his motive for going after Obama's birth records.

And ultimately it was Donald Trump who put the matter to rest with his unequivocable and firm statement that Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii.

Trump has a habit of never explicitly saying something is true, instead using terms like "I've heard from many people" or "Lots of people are saying." It allows him to put a message out while leaving himself an opening to back away from it, "I never actually said that, I just pointed out other people are saying it." He rarely seems to actually point out who it is he's heard saying things. I hate to use this analogy because I'm afraid it will lead to the idea I think he's a criminal, but it reminds me of the way criminals in TV and film will use the word 'allegedly' when describing crimes they committed, in order to not explicitly admit to the crimes. It gives the impression of plausible deniability, which is another example of why I don't think Trump is so very different from the politicians we normally see.

So while Trump may never have said "Obama was born in Kenya," he helped push that narrative.

He didn't help more than did millions of us who were curious about all that. He joined in the questions/discussions/subjects about it that probably 90% of us who were not lavish Obama supporters participated in. He joins in a lot of national discussions that way, and he is NOT wrong in saying that the discussion is out there. And like me and many others, he is curious about what is true and what is not in those discussions. He would have made a brilliant journalist in being unafraid to be politically incorrect on issues while not committing to a conclusion until the evidence is totally convincing.

A lot of the more hateful anti-Trumpers and media could take lessons from that.

Trump absolutely helped the birther movement more than most others. If for no other reason, Trump has both more resources and more attention put on him than the vast majority of people. Celebrities are able to reach a wider audience more easily than the average person, and Trump has been a celebrity (whether one thinks he is good or bad) for many years.

I've long believed that Trump's entire birther campaign was market research to determine how truly gullible the American public are. The number is 30%. 30% believed the birther lie. Not coincidentally, Trump's hard core base is 30%. He can tell them any lie, and they believe him.

I don't think that extrapolation and conclusion would hold up in any court in the land.

 

[candycorn]

LMAO For a torn apart country its doing damned well. A great economy. UE the lowest its been in 50 years and jobs everywhere.

If that's your idea of torn apart then your in the wrong country.

Oh and I don't see any disasters yet. You??

The country is so much more than the economy, and the economy really isn't that great right now. Wages are not rising very quickly. Tax revenues are way, way down, and the public isn't spending.

Trump's constant need for an adversary, someone to take on and defeat, means he uses everything at his disposal to create "enemies". The Democrats, the refugees, the Muslims. It's hateful and divisive. It's not building up anything, just tearing everything apart.

The NY Times, Washington Post, et al, no friends of the President, and others of the MSM concede wages are rising at the fastest rate that they have in a decade but at a rate that isn't impacting inflation. And those who most need that increase the most are doing better than the higher paid people. When you have full employment, it is a seller's market for labor. Also family income/wealth that had declined under Obama is again rising.

Trump does not go looking for adversaries. He has adversaries because he poses such a threat to the permanent political class and a socialist and/or Marxist agenda pushed by the Democrats. He is the first President in a very long time willing to put himself out there to solve real problems and actually accomplish good things for America and the American people. And he is demonstrating in spades how ineffective and nonproductive their policies have been for so long.

But yes the country is so much more than the economy. But without the ability to earn a living and take care of yourself and your family, nothing much else matters all that much.

What makes you say Trump does not go looking for adversaries? He seems to do exactly that to me. I get the feeling he is more comfortable with someone to point to and say, "They are the bad guy!" You also say he is the first president in a long time to put himself out there to solve real problems and accomplish good things. What measures are you using to come to that conclusion? It sounds to me more like he is the first president in a long time who is promoting policies you agree with. That is not the same thing.

He doesn't throw the first punch. Ever. He will return a punch when one is thrown at him. And I say he puts himself out there because he doesn't knuckle under to the political correctness nazis or take his marching orders from the most recent poll. Again and again, under the heaviest and most dishonest and malicious criticism, he sticks to his guns when he believes he is right. Example: the crisis on the border.

Will he be wrong from time to time? Yes he will, because he is human which makes him as fallible as any human. Does he sometimes respond in ways that are unhelpful and/or criticizable? Yes he does. He is who he is. But I have never in my lifetime witnessed a President who keeps trying to do the right thing under the most intense and hateful fire ever thrown at somebody as he does. He puts himself out there.

Not being obnoxious has nothing to do with political correctness. That is a typical excuse people like you make for Trump. The reason he doesn't take orders from polls is because he is stupid enough to believe he is winning. That is what is happened in 2018.

The fact is that he is nearly always wrong. He appeals to his far right wing base. He is selfish and will divide Americans because he knows that is the only way he has a prayer.

Correct on all counts. "He doesn't throw the first punch?" I don't know if Foxy is just incredibly stupid or so hopelessly gone 'round the bend on partisanship that she actually believes this. She must miss the near nightly twitter storms that range from moronic to rude.

 

[wamose]

The people who are blaming TDS for criticism of Trump were themselves OBS sufferers. Maybe we ought to consider the novel idea that there is legitinate criticosm.

For example, no one claimed Trump is dismantling all environmental regulations. He has however, without thought, attempted to with as many Obama era rules as he can with no study, no careful pro and con consideration of the effects but solely because Obama did it. Many of the people he put in charge are energy industry people who will directly benefit from these actions. Add to that he has had a number of ethically challenged if not downright corrupt people in charge.


His behavior regarding healthcare is similar. No replacement but doing all he can to wreck it. How will that effect people? Now I am willing to give him a positive if he tackles drug prices.

Your evidence that the rolled back regulations were done with no study or careful pro and con consideration for the effects? Or are you simply reciting the propaganda/talking points the left puts out about that? Those rolled back regulations have been an important part of the current economic boom as is the stability in a much more business and prosperity friendly tax code.

My husband and I losing our primary care doctors and him losing his trusted cancer doctor as a direct result of Obamacare was enough for me to want to dump the whole thing that President Trump has not done. Nor is he trying to get rid of coverage for pre-existing conditions. He has removed some of the most damning and ridiculous aspects of it which is one of several reasons the economy is now booming and couldn't before.

Obama went before the cameras time and again to assure us that if like our doctor we can keep our doctor, period. If we like our healthcare plan we can keep our healthcare plan, period. Both turned out to be bald faced lies. Doctors and healthcare plans had to comply with Obamacare rules or they were not allowed to be in business.

Obama assured us our taxes would not go up one penny due to Obamacare. Then his lawyers went before the Supreme Court arguing that the mandates were a tax and therefore legal for Congress to enact.

Though they haven't done it, there wasn't anything in place before Obamacare other than Medicare and Medicaid and the VA. So requiring the government to REPLACE any part of Obamacare with something is pretty short sighted. When you put out a fire, what do you replace it with?

Obama claimed millions who were insured who did not have insurance before. But his rules required such enormous deductibles, copays, and coverage holes for so many people and/or lack of access to healthcare that they were far worse off than they were before. Which has been the case with us in addition to premiums for non government subsidized insurance increasing far more rapidly than it had before.

Partisan talking points are not convincing for those dealing with onerous and unnecessary government taxes, regulation, mandates in the real world. I have run a business that dealt with hundreds of businesses dealing with issues in the real world. So I know first hand, up close and personal why Trump's policies beat most of Obama's hands down.

Great post.

The ONLY people who thought Obamacare was great were the people the rest of us were paying for.

My benefit costs went up 30% every year to cover that cost.

It was a POS that never should have been passed.

If Renquist had still been alive and the Chief Justice of the SC instead of Roberts The SC would have said No to Obamacare.

A overwhelming majority of people say that Obamacare should be fixed not repealed. Obamacare has become more popular than Trump.

If the Rehnquist court had overturned it then they would have been legislating from the bench. The government has the power to regulate insurance and regulate health insurance in this country.

If you poll the people getting free coverage, they're all in. If you poll the people who get to pay for the slackers, most of them are out. If you talk to the millions of people who will lose their existing coverage, they're out. If you talk to the politicians who want to use healthcare control to expand their own political power, they're all in. A couple rules of thumb. Nothing is free. You can never get more for less without getting government out of the equation. And covering 30 million illegal aliens and refugees will bankrupt our country within a year. Not only that, but there's something morally wrong when you make a college aged male purchase pregnancy insurance

 

[LoneLaugher]

These threads are like support groups for Trombies. .

You gather to reassure one another. You all know that he's corrupt and incompetent. You know that he's not up to the task.

But, he hates the same people you hate and he's delegated his judicial nominations to RW think tanks. So, you'll put up with the daily lying and the absolute lack of intellectual curiosity.

After all he REALLY wants to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN and he fucking hugs the flag! He REALLY cares about you! He says so!

 

[LoneLaugher]

One hopes that the anti-Trumpers within the GOP get axed in the next primary. Some have retired and some ought to be replaced if they aren't willing to put the best interests of their country ahead of their own personal goals. And the same goes for the Dems, enough of the BS Green New Deal. Get real or get out, one wonders how much longer the Dems can continue down this non-sensical path.

We have to be careful though. It will make it much tougher for President Trump to succeed if the Senate succumbs to the vengeful Democrats too. I would rather reform those in the Senate than risk losing the Senate and thereby making it far more difficult for the President to get his agenda done.

This president had both houses of Congress for two years and was able to negotiate nothing.

 

[Claudette]

He has torn the country apart, and has left it open to it's enemies, and namely one of it's greatest enemies.

Him being there can only lead to disaster.

LMAO For a torn apart country its doing damned well. A great economy. UE the lowest its been in 50 years and jobs everywhere.

If that's your idea of torn apart then your in the wrong country.

Oh and I don't see any disasters yet. You??

The country is so much more than the economy, and the economy really isn't that great right now. Wages are not rising very quickly. Tax revenues are way, way down, and the public isn't spending.

Trump's constant need for an adversary, someone to take on and defeat, means he uses everything at his disposal to create "enemies". The Democrats, the refugees, the Muslims. It's hateful and divisive. It's not building up anything, just tearing everything apart.

The NY Times, Washington Post, et al, no friends of the President, and others of the MSM concede wages are rising at the fastest rate that they have in a decade but at a rate that isn't impacting inflation. And those who most need that increase the most are doing better than the higher paid people. When you have full employment, it is a seller's market for labor. Also family income/wealth that had declined under Obama is again rising.

Trump does not go looking for adversaries. He has adversaries because he poses such a threat to the permanent political class and a socialist and/or Marxist agenda pushed by the Democrats. He is the first President in a very long time willing to put himself out there to solve real problems and actually accomplish good things for America and the American people. And he is demonstrating in spades how ineffective and nonproductive their policies have been for so long.

But yes the country is so much more than the economy. But without the ability to earn a living and take care of yourself and your family, nothing much else matters all that much.

That is not true. The fact is that most people live paycheck to paycheck. There are still a large number of people who work and need help from the government to make ends meet. Many people still have food emergencies. There is plenty of anxiety despite the good economy.,

Trump needs enemies to run against. If he can't find them then he will make them up. Trump appeals to his base and ignores everyone else. A President has to be the President for all people. He is not solving real problems. He demonizes various groups and lies constantly. The fact is that Trump's policies have been bad for America. The tax cuts for the rich are driving deficits higher than they were under Obama. He has produced nothing of value.

Paycheck to paycheck?? Oh some do I'm sure. People who aren't responsible for anything in their lives. Freeloaders.

Things are great in the country right now and only lefty loon idiots like you don't see it.

Move to Mexico then your drivel will be true.

 

[Claudette]

LMAO For a torn apart country its doing damned well. A great economy. UE the lowest its been in 50 years and jobs everywhere.

If that's your idea of torn apart then your in the wrong country.

Oh and I don't see any disasters yet. You??

The country is so much more than the economy, and the economy really isn't that great right now. Wages are not rising very quickly. Tax revenues are way, way down, and the public isn't spending.

Trump's constant need for an adversary, someone to take on and defeat, means he uses everything at his disposal to create "enemies". The Democrats, the refugees, the Muslims. It's hateful and divisive. It's not building up anything, just tearing everything apart.

The NY Times, Washington Post, et al, no friends of the President, and others of the MSM concede wages are rising at the fastest rate that they have in a decade but at a rate that isn't impacting inflation. And those who most need that increase the most are doing better than the higher paid people. When you have full employment, it is a seller's market for labor. Also family income/wealth that had declined under Obama is again rising.

Trump does not go looking for adversaries. He has adversaries because he poses such a threat to the permanent political class and a socialist and/or Marxist agenda pushed by the Democrats. He is the first President in a very long time willing to put himself out there to solve real problems and actually accomplish good things for America and the American people. And he is demonstrating in spades how ineffective and nonproductive their policies have been for so long.

But yes the country is so much more than the economy. But without the ability to earn a living and take care of yourself and your family, nothing much else matters all that much.

What makes you say Trump does not go looking for adversaries? He seems to do exactly that to me. I get the feeling he is more comfortable with someone to point to and say, "They are the bad guy!" You also say he is the first president in a long time to put himself out there to solve real problems and accomplish good things. What measures are you using to come to that conclusion? It sounds to me more like he is the first president in a long time who is promoting policies you agree with. That is not the same thing.

He doesn't throw the first punch. Ever. He will return a punch when one is thrown at him. And I say he puts himself out there because he doesn't knuckle under to the political correctness nazis or take his marching orders from the most recent poll. Again and again, under the heaviest and most dishonest and malicious criticism, he sticks to his guns when he believes he is right. Example: the crisis on the border.

Will he be wrong from time to time? Yes he will, because he is human which makes him as fallible as any human. Does he sometimes respond in ways that are unhelpful and/or criticizable? Yes he does. He is who he is. But I have never in my lifetime witnessed a President who keeps trying to do the right thing under the most intense and hateful fire ever thrown at somebody as he does. He puts himself out there.

Not being obnoxious has nothing to do with political correctness. That is a typical excuse people like you make for Trump. The reason he doesn't take orders from polls is because he is stupid enough to believe he is winning. That is what is happened in 2018.

The fact is that he is nearly always wrong. He appeals to his far right wing base. He is selfish and will divide Americans because he knows that is the only way he has a prayer.

Well for being always wrong the Country is doing pretty damned good.

I'll take Trumps wrong every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

The only people dividing America are lefty loons like you.

Carry on you whiny little shit.

 

[kwc57]

You wanted to know how Obama demonized his base and divided the country. Read it and learn.

Gotta link?

I already provided a link to you Brainiac. Obviously you didn't open it and read it.

 

[Foxfyre]

One hopes that the anti-Trumpers within the GOP get axed in the next primary. Some have retired and some ought to be replaced if they aren't willing to put the best interests of their country ahead of their own personal goals. And the same goes for the Dems, enough of the BS Green New Deal. Get real or get out, one wonders how much longer the Dems can continue down this non-sensical path.

We have to be careful though. It will make it much tougher for President Trump to succeed if the Senate succumbs to the vengeful Democrats too. I would rather reform those in the Senate than risk losing the Senate and thereby making it far more difficult for the President to get his agenda done.

This president had both houses of Congress for two years and was able to negotiate nothing.

Except for reforming a tax code in a way that has jump started the economy like nothing else could have. That plus eliminating the most onerous mandates of Obamacare has put trillions of dollars that were sheltered overseas or sidelined here in the states back into the economy. It has doubled business and consumer confidence. It has created more than 5 million new jobs including hundreds of thousands of manufacturing jobs that even Republicans like John McCain said would never come back. It is bringing businesses back to the states, has turned millions of part time jobs into full time ones and lowered unemployment rates in ALL categories to record or near record levels, and that included groups considered the hard core unemployed. And it is raising wages and family incomes at a level we have not seen for more than a decade.

 

[Dragonlady]

The country is so much more than the economy, and the economy really isn't that great right now. Wages are not rising very quickly. Tax revenues are way, way down, and the public isn't spending.

Trump's constant need for an adversary, someone to take on and defeat, means he uses everything at his disposal to create "enemies". The Democrats, the refugees, the Muslims. It's hateful and divisive. It's not building up anything, just tearing everything apart.

The NY Times, Washington Post, et al, no friends of the President, and others of the MSM concede wages are rising at the fastest rate that they have in a decade but at a rate that isn't impacting inflation. And those who most need that increase the most are doing better than the higher paid people. When you have full employment, it is a seller's market for labor. Also family income/wealth that had declined under Obama is again rising.

Trump does not go looking for adversaries. He has adversaries because he poses such a threat to the permanent political class and a socialist and/or Marxist agenda pushed by the Democrats. He is the first President in a very long time willing to put himself out there to solve real problems and actually accomplish good things for America and the American people. And he is demonstrating in spades how ineffective and nonproductive their policies have been for so long.

But yes the country is so much more than the economy. But without the ability to earn a living and take care of yourself and your family, nothing much else matters all that much.

What makes you say Trump does not go looking for adversaries? He seems to do exactly that to me. I get the feeling he is more comfortable with someone to point to and say, "They are the bad guy!" You also say he is the first president in a long time to put himself out there to solve real problems and accomplish good things. What measures are you using to come to that conclusion? It sounds to me more like he is the first president in a long time who is promoting policies you agree with. That is not the same thing.

He doesn't throw the first punch. Ever. He will return a punch when one is thrown at him. And I say he puts himself out there because he doesn't knuckle under to the political correctness nazis or take his marching orders from the most recent poll. Again and again, under the heaviest and most dishonest and malicious criticism, he sticks to his guns when he believes he is right. Example: the crisis on the border.

Will he be wrong from time to time? Yes he will, because he is human which makes him as fallible as any human. Does he sometimes respond in ways that are unhelpful and/or criticizable? Yes he does. He is who he is. But I have never in my lifetime witnessed a President who keeps trying to do the right thing under the most intense and hateful fire ever thrown at somebody as he does. He puts himself out there.

Not being obnoxious has nothing to do with political correctness. That is a typical excuse people like you make for Trump. The reason he doesn't take orders from polls is because he is stupid enough to believe he is winning. That is what is happened in 2018.

The fact is that he is nearly always wrong. He appeals to his far right wing base. He is selfish and will divide Americans because he knows that is the only way he has a prayer.

Well for being always wrong the Country is doing pretty damned good.

I'll take Trumps wrong every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

The only people dividing America are lefty loons like you.

Carry on you whiny little shit.

The country isn’t doing that well. 7000 per month are dying of opioid abuse. Mid-western farmers who trusted Trump on his Chinese Tariffs are losing their farms.

Trump’s attempts to turn back time on coal production and steel manufacturing have been an abject failure. And the hourly wage workers who voted for Trump have been totally screwed over.

The economy was BETTER under Obama.

 

[Claudette]

The NY Times, Washington Post, et al, no friends of the President, and others of the MSM concede wages are rising at the fastest rate that they have in a decade but at a rate that isn't impacting inflation. And those who most need that increase the most are doing better than the higher paid people. When you have full employment, it is a seller's market for labor. Also family income/wealth that had declined under Obama is again rising.

Trump does not go looking for adversaries. He has adversaries because he poses such a threat to the permanent political class and a socialist and/or Marxist agenda pushed by the Democrats. He is the first President in a very long time willing to put himself out there to solve real problems and actually accomplish good things for America and the American people. And he is demonstrating in spades how ineffective and nonproductive their policies have been for so long.

But yes the country is so much more than the economy. But without the ability to earn a living and take care of yourself and your family, nothing much else matters all that much.

What makes you say Trump does not go looking for adversaries? He seems to do exactly that to me. I get the feeling he is more comfortable with someone to point to and say, "They are the bad guy!" You also say he is the first president in a long time to put himself out there to solve real problems and accomplish good things. What measures are you using to come to that conclusion? It sounds to me more like he is the first president in a long time who is promoting policies you agree with. That is not the same thing.

He doesn't throw the first punch. Ever. He will return a punch when one is thrown at him. And I say he puts himself out there because he doesn't knuckle under to the political correctness nazis or take his marching orders from the most recent poll. Again and again, under the heaviest and most dishonest and malicious criticism, he sticks to his guns when he believes he is right. Example: the crisis on the border.

Will he be wrong from time to time? Yes he will, because he is human which makes him as fallible as any human. Does he sometimes respond in ways that are unhelpful and/or criticizable? Yes he does. He is who he is. But I have never in my lifetime witnessed a President who keeps trying to do the right thing under the most intense and hateful fire ever thrown at somebody as he does. He puts himself out there.

Not being obnoxious has nothing to do with political correctness. That is a typical excuse people like you make for Trump. The reason he doesn't take orders from polls is because he is stupid enough to believe he is winning. That is what is happened in 2018.

The fact is that he is nearly always wrong. He appeals to his far right wing base. He is selfish and will divide Americans because he knows that is the only way he has a prayer.

Well for being always wrong the Country is doing pretty damned good.

I'll take Trumps wrong every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

The only people dividing America are lefty loons like you.

Carry on you whiny little shit.

The country isn’t doing that well. 7000 per month are dying of opioid abuse. Mid-western farmers who trusted Trump on his Chinese Tariffs are losing their farms.

Trump’s attempts to turn back time on coal production and steel manufacturing have been an abject failure. And the hourly wage workers who voted for Trump have been totally screwed over.

The economy was BETTER under Obama.

The economy is way better than when Obama was POTUS.

The country is doing pretty damned good right now. The economy is doing great, UE is the lowest its been in fifty years and there are jobs all across the country.

You may not want to admit it but Trump has done a great job.

He will win in 2020.

Buckle up buttercup. You will have four more years to moan, whine, complain and convince yourself that Obama was the better POTUS.

Enjoy. I'll be LMAO at you.

 

[Foxfyre]

The NY Times, Washington Post, et al, no friends of the President, and others of the MSM concede wages are rising at the fastest rate that they have in a decade but at a rate that isn't impacting inflation. And those who most need that increase the most are doing better than the higher paid people. When you have full employment, it is a seller's market for labor. Also family income/wealth that had declined under Obama is again rising.

Trump does not go looking for adversaries. He has adversaries because he poses such a threat to the permanent political class and a socialist and/or Marxist agenda pushed by the Democrats. He is the first President in a very long time willing to put himself out there to solve real problems and actually accomplish good things for America and the American people. And he is demonstrating in spades how ineffective and nonproductive their policies have been for so long.

But yes the country is so much more than the economy. But without the ability to earn a living and take care of yourself and your family, nothing much else matters all that much.

What makes you say Trump does not go looking for adversaries? He seems to do exactly that to me. I get the feeling he is more comfortable with someone to point to and say, "They are the bad guy!" You also say he is the first president in a long time to put himself out there to solve real problems and accomplish good things. What measures are you using to come to that conclusion? It sounds to me more like he is the first president in a long time who is promoting policies you agree with. That is not the same thing.

He doesn't throw the first punch. Ever. He will return a punch when one is thrown at him. And I say he puts himself out there because he doesn't knuckle under to the political correctness nazis or take his marching orders from the most recent poll. Again and again, under the heaviest and most dishonest and malicious criticism, he sticks to his guns when he believes he is right. Example: the crisis on the border.

Will he be wrong from time to time? Yes he will, because he is human which makes him as fallible as any human. Does he sometimes respond in ways that are unhelpful and/or criticizable? Yes he does. He is who he is. But I have never in my lifetime witnessed a President who keeps trying to do the right thing under the most intense and hateful fire ever thrown at somebody as he does. He puts himself out there.

Not being obnoxious has nothing to do with political correctness. That is a typical excuse people like you make for Trump. The reason he doesn't take orders from polls is because he is stupid enough to believe he is winning. That is what is happened in 2018.

The fact is that he is nearly always wrong. He appeals to his far right wing base. He is selfish and will divide Americans because he knows that is the only way he has a prayer.

Well for being always wrong the Country is doing pretty damned good.

I'll take Trumps wrong every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

The only people dividing America are lefty loons like you.

Carry on you whiny little shit.

The country isn’t doing that well. 7000 per month are dying of opioid abuse. Mid-western farmers who trusted Trump on his Chinese Tariffs are losing their farms.

Trump’s attempts to turn back time on coal production and steel manufacturing have been an abject failure. And the hourly wage workers who voted for Trump have been totally screwed over.

The economy was BETTER under Obama.

Anybody who believes as you do is simply in denial.

Midwestern farmers took a modest hit on soybeans due to the China tariffs but no farmer depends on soybeans alone for income . The Midwestern farmers have been devastated by floods it is true, last year and again this year, but that is hardly Trump's fault. Farmers overall are in Trump's camp and are greatly appreciating his policies and relief from what some described as Obama's reign of terror against American agriculture.

The President has made opioid abuse a central issue from the beginning and continues to do so. The devil is always in the details in these things to not step all over state's rights or deny necessary pain relief to those who need it while preventing the rampant abuse that has existed for decades now. And he is also addressing other dangerous and illegal drugs pouring into the country including those coming across an unsecure border.

I don't recall Obama addressing the issue at all other than arguing that drug abuse is a health problem and not a criminal problem and then did nothing about either.

You don't reopen closed mines overnight or reopen or build steel mills overnight, but we are not closing facilities or bleeding more jobs than we are gaining as we were for the last couple of decades at least. In any economic overhaul, there will be winners and losers. Trump policies are allowing far more winners than losers. Including in coal and steel. Both industries lost jobs in the Obama administration. And at one point Hillary famously campaigned on closing coal mines.