Time to put pressure on the GOP. . .

[Montrovant]

Trump never said that.

Why must you effin LIE so much?

14 of Donald Trump's most outrageous 'birther' claims - CNNPolitics

No wonder your dumb-ass loves Trump so much, the lies bind you in common.

At no point did he say in ANY of those statements/incidents that Obama was born in Kenya. He was repeating the controversies--most of which were created by Obama himself with his inadvertent statements--that were floating around all over the country at that time. It was things like Obama saying "my Muslim faith"--something George Stephanopoulous quickly urged him to correct to "Christian faith", the well publicized statement by his Kenyan grandmother that he was born there, the intense secrecy Obama kept about all his birth records, that when he did release them he would only allow a couple of staunch Obama supporters examine and report on them, his secrecy about college admissions, etc. when he could have put the controversies to rest by simply making them available, etc.

I don't blame him for not making those things public but he did invite the controversy to continue. Just as Trump is encouraging speculation about his taxes when he chose not to release them for public scrutiny.

Whenever somebody says something can't be done--like getting Obama's birth records--that is like waving a flag in front of a bull to Donald Trump, then and now. He loves a challenge and he loves accomplishing things that people say he can't done or that can't be done. I am pretty sure that was his motive for going after Obama's birth records.

And ultimately it was Donald Trump who put the matter to rest with his unequivocable and firm statement that Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii.

Trump has a habit of never explicitly saying something is true, instead using terms like "I've heard from many people" or "Lots of people are saying." It allows him to put a message out while leaving himself an opening to back away from it, "I never actually said that, I just pointed out other people are saying it." He rarely seems to actually point out who it is he's heard saying things. I hate to use this analogy because I'm afraid it will lead to the idea I think he's a criminal, but it reminds me of the way criminals in TV and film will use the word 'allegedly' when describing crimes they committed, in order to not explicitly admit to the crimes. It gives the impression of plausible deniability, which is another example of why I don't think Trump is so very different from the politicians we normally see.

So while Trump may never have said "Obama was born in Kenya," he helped push that narrative.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Trump never said that.

Why must you effin LIE so much?

14 of Donald Trump's most outrageous 'birther' claims - CNNPolitics

No wonder your dumb-ass loves Trump so much, the lies bind you in common.

At no point did he say in ANY of those statements/incidents that Obama was born in Kenya. He was repeating the controversies--most of which were created by Obama himself with his inadvertent statements--that were floating around all over the country at that time. It was things like Obama saying "my Muslim faith"--something George Stephanopoulous quickly urged him to correct to "Christian faith", the well publicized statement by his Kenyan grandmother that he was born there, the intense secrecy Obama kept about all his birth records, that when he did release them he would only allow a couple of staunch Obama supporters examine and report on them, his secrecy about college admissions, etc. when he could have put the controversies to rest by simply making them available, etc.

I don't blame him for not making those things public but he did invite the controversy to continue. Just as Trump is encouraging speculation about his taxes when he chose not to release them for public scrutiny.

Whenever somebody says something can't be done--like getting Obama's birth records--that is like waving a flag in front of a bull to Donald Trump, then and now. He loves a challenge and he loves accomplishing things that people say he can't done or that can't be done. I am pretty sure that was his motive for going after Obama's birth records.

And ultimately it was Donald Trump who put the matter to rest with his unequivocable and firm statement that Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii.

Trump has a habit of never explicitly saying something is true, instead using terms like "I've heard from many people" or "Lots of people are saying." It allows him to put a message out while leaving himself an opening to back away from it, "I never actually said that, I just pointed out other people are saying it." He rarely seems to actually point out who it is he's heard saying things. I hate to use this analogy because I'm afraid it will lead to the idea I think he's a criminal, but it reminds me of the way criminals in TV and film will use the word 'allegedly' when describing crimes they committed, in order to not explicitly admit to the crimes. It gives the impression of plausible deniability, which is another example of why I don't think Trump is so very different from the politicians we normally see.

So while Trump may never have said "Obama was born in Kenya," he helped push that narrative.

FFS friend... like this trick is anything new.
Politicians at all levels and party affiliation have been doing this for centuries.

 

[MarcATL]

Trump has a habit of never explicitly saying something is true, instead using terms like "I've heard from many people" or "Lots of people are saying." It allows him to put a message out while leaving himself an opening to back away from it, "I never actually said that, I just pointed out other people are saying it." He rarely seems to actually point out who it is he's heard saying things. I hate to use this analogy because I'm afraid it will lead to the idea I think he's a criminal, but it reminds me of the way criminals in TV and film will use the word 'allegedly' when describing crimes they committed, in order to not explicitly admit to the crimes. It gives the impression of plausible deniability, which is another example of why I don't think Trump is so very different from the politicians we normally see.

So while Trump may never have said "Obama was born in Kenya," he helped push that narrative.

He didn't help, he was the LEADER in that BOGUS narrative.

Objectively.

 

[Foxfyre]

He has torn the country apart, and has left it open to it's enemies, and namely one of it's greatest enemies.

Him being there can only lead to disaster.

LMAO For a torn apart country its doing damned well. A great economy. UE the lowest its been in 50 years and jobs everywhere.

If that's your idea of torn apart then your in the wrong country.

Oh and I don't see any disasters yet. You??

The country is so much more than the economy, and the economy really isn't that great right now. Wages are not rising very quickly. Tax revenues are way, way down, and the public isn't spending.

Trump's constant need for an adversary, someone to take on and defeat, means he uses everything at his disposal to create "enemies". The Democrats, the refugees, the Muslims. It's hateful and divisive. It's not building up anything, just tearing everything apart.

The NY Times, Washington Post, et al, no friends of the President, and others of the MSM concede wages are rising at the fastest rate that they have in a decade but at a rate that isn't impacting inflation. And those who most need that increase the most are doing better than the higher paid people. When you have full employment, it is a seller's market for labor. Also family income/wealth that had declined under Obama is again rising.

Trump does not go looking for adversaries. He has adversaries because he poses such a threat to the permanent political class and a socialist and/or Marxist agenda pushed by the Democrats. He is the first President in a very long time willing to put himself out there to solve real problems and actually accomplish good things for America and the American people. And he is demonstrating in spades how ineffective and nonproductive their policies have been for so long.

But yes the country is so much more than the economy. But without the ability to earn a living and take care of yourself and your family, nothing much else matters all that much.

What makes you say Trump does not go looking for adversaries? He seems to do exactly that to me. I get the feeling he is more comfortable with someone to point to and say, "They are the bad guy!" You also say he is the first president in a long time to put himself out there to solve real problems and accomplish good things. What measures are you using to come to that conclusion? It sounds to me more like he is the first president in a long time who is promoting policies you agree with. That is not the same thing.

He doesn't throw the first punch. Ever. He will return a punch when one is thrown at him. And I say he puts himself out there because he doesn't knuckle under to the political correctness nazis or take his marching orders from the most recent poll. Again and again, under the heaviest and most dishonest and malicious criticism, he sticks to his guns when he believes he is right. Example: the crisis on the border.

Will he be wrong from time to time? Yes he will, because he is human which makes him as fallible as any human. Does he sometimes respond in ways that are unhelpful and/or criticizable? Yes he does. He is who he is. But I have never in my lifetime witnessed a President who keeps trying to do the right thing under the most intense and hateful fire ever thrown at somebody as he does. He puts himself out there.

 

[kwc57]

Puh-leaze! Obama ripped the country apart. I was a 35+ year Democrat and voted for the man. Then he turned his back and demonized his base. Hillary kicked it up a notch with her deplorable bullshit. Trump has done a world of good for every American regardless of color or creed. He's put a hell of a lot more women and people of color to work than Obama ever thought about doing. You need to get the idiot chip off your shoulder and wake the fuck up.

Explain how Obama "demonized his base."

Go for it.

I'd tell you to read a book, but your tiny mind is closed and you will only believe what you want. That is evident in your continual posting even after you've been schooled.

 

[Foxfyre]

Trump never said that.

Why must you effin LIE so much?

14 of Donald Trump's most outrageous 'birther' claims - CNNPolitics

No wonder your dumb-ass loves Trump so much, the lies bind you in common.

At no point did he say in ANY of those statements/incidents that Obama was born in Kenya. He was repeating the controversies--most of which were created by Obama himself with his inadvertent statements--that were floating around all over the country at that time. It was things like Obama saying "my Muslim faith"--something George Stephanopoulous quickly urged him to correct to "Christian faith", the well publicized statement by his Kenyan grandmother that he was born there, the intense secrecy Obama kept about all his birth records, that when he did release them he would only allow a couple of staunch Obama supporters examine and report on them, his secrecy about college admissions, etc. when he could have put the controversies to rest by simply making them available, etc.

I don't blame him for not making those things public but he did invite the controversy to continue. Just as Trump is encouraging speculation about his taxes when he chose not to release them for public scrutiny.

Whenever somebody says something can't be done--like getting Obama's birth records--that is like waving a flag in front of a bull to Donald Trump, then and now. He loves a challenge and he loves accomplishing things that people say he can't done or that can't be done. I am pretty sure that was his motive for going after Obama's birth records.

And ultimately it was Donald Trump who put the matter to rest with his unequivocable and firm statement that Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii.

Trump has a habit of never explicitly saying something is true, instead using terms like "I've heard from many people" or "Lots of people are saying." It allows him to put a message out while leaving himself an opening to back away from it, "I never actually said that, I just pointed out other people are saying it." He rarely seems to actually point out who it is he's heard saying things. I hate to use this analogy because I'm afraid it will lead to the idea I think he's a criminal, but it reminds me of the way criminals in TV and film will use the word 'allegedly' when describing crimes they committed, in order to not explicitly admit to the crimes. It gives the impression of plausible deniability, which is another example of why I don't think Trump is so very different from the politicians we normally see.

So while Trump may never have said "Obama was born in Kenya," he helped push that narrative.

He didn't help more than did millions of us who were curious about all that. He joined in the questions/discussions/subjects about it that probably 90% of us who were not lavish Obama supporters participated in. He joins in a lot of national discussions that way, and he is NOT wrong in saying that the discussion is out there. And like me and many others, he is curious about what is true and what is not in those discussions. He would have made a brilliant journalist in being unafraid to be politically incorrect on issues while not committing to a conclusion until the evidence is totally convincing.

A lot of the more hateful anti-Trumpers and media could take lessons from that.

 

[kwc57]

Prior to Obama, the racial tensions were the lowest in decades. After Obama racial tensions were highest in decades.

Obama has torn the country apart. Trump is a result of Obama. Obama did more to elect Trump, than Trump did.

In fact, if you look at the numbers, it clearly shows that when a Republican is in office, racial tensions are low. (1980 -1991), and when Democraps take over, Racial tensions explode (1992 to 2000).

Under Bush, racial tensions were extremely low.

Under Obama racial tensions drastically increased.

1. Has racial tensions increased or decreased under Ze Trumpenführer?

b. What exactly did Obamado to increase these racial tensions?

Obama Won

Prior to Obama, the racial tensions were the lowest in decades. After Obama racial tensions were highest in decades.

Obama has torn the country apart. Trump is a result of Obama. Obama did more to elect Trump, than Trump did.

In fact, if you look at the numbers, it clearly shows that when a Republican is in office, racial tensions are low. (1980 -1991), and when Democraps take over, Racial tensions explode (1992 to 2000).

Under Bush, racial tensions were extremely low.

Under Obama racial tensions drastically increased.

1. Has racial tensions increased or decreased under Ze Trumpenführer?

b. What exactly did Obamado to increase these racial tensions?

Obama Won

 

[MarcATL]

Who are you Captain Deflection?
You bitched about the wealth gap under Trump, when the Wealth gap was made so wide, and so fast during Obama's years... I make a very valid point in saying it is a bit disingenuous to complain now as if Trump has anything to do with it in such a short period of time, when the gap became the Grand Canyon under Obama.

Puh-leez... you are a Troll. That is all you ever do here.

I'm responding to you Trumpettes constantly claiming that Trump is just god over the economy and putting it in it's right context.

Go blow it out your ass, you hack bastard.

 

[MarcATL]

I'd tell you to read a book, but your tiny mind is closed and you will only believe what you want. That is evident in your continual posting even after you've been schooled.

Schooled on what hack?

Again, I ask, explain how Obama "demonized his base."

I bet you can't.

 

[MarcATL]

Obama Won

Obama Won

 

[GreenAndBlue]

Obama Won

Obama Won

Remember trump has the men

This will make democrats fall like a house of cards

 

[kwc57]

Obama Won

Obama Won

You wanted to know how Obama demonized his base and divided the country. Read it and learn.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Who are you Captain Deflection?
You bitched about the wealth gap under Trump, when the Wealth gap was made so wide, and so fast during Obama's years... I make a very valid point in saying it is a bit disingenuous to complain now as if Trump has anything to do with it in such a short period of time, when the gap became the Grand Canyon under Obama.

Puh-leez... you are a Troll. That is all you ever do here.

I'm responding to you Trumpettes constantly claiming that Trump is just god over the economy and putting it in it's right context.

Go blow it out your ass, you hack bastard.

Aww...the race baiter has a sore butt.
For the fun of it...
1) Please find a single post I have ever made where I say Trump is helping economy... I'll help you out... you won't find one.
2) You made the claim the wealth gap is attributed to him - not me.
3) You won't answer the fact that the wealth gap grew at record rates, both in speed and differences under Obama...all you want to do is deflect the usual "Trumpette" echo chamber...even thought that has nothing to do with Trump.
4) As always, you provide low information responses or simply parrot something you have read somewhere. The depth of your knowledge can me measured in millimeters.

 

[Foxfyre]

So now that we have had a couple of pages of anti-Trump rants mixed with some food fights, some reasonable and some strictly to provoke more of it and/or derail the thread. . .

How about we figure out how Republicans and/or pro-Trump agenda folks can get the results, the vision, the possibilities out there before the 2020 election?

 

[Andylusion]

Prior to Obama, the racial tensions were the lowest in decades. After Obama racial tensions were highest in decades.

Obama has torn the country apart. Trump is a result of Obama. Obama did more to elect Trump, than Trump did.

In fact, if you look at the numbers, it clearly shows that when a Republican is in office, racial tensions are low. (1980 -1991), and when Democraps take over, Racial tensions explode (1992 to 2000).

Under Bush, racial tensions were extremely low.

Under Obama racial tensions drastically increased.

1. Has racial tensions increased or decreased under Ze Trumpenführer?

b. What exactly did Obamado to increase these racial tensions?

What did he do? He constantly trolled the right, and endlessly insinuated that everyone was racists. Calling everyone racists for 8 years could cause racial tensions to increase, is a shocker to you?

I can't remember a single time when I personally was called racists from the 1990s to 2012. From 2012 on, I heard the race card being dropped against me and every one that dared to question anything Obama did, on a routine basis.

So yeah, Obama is who stirred up racial tensions in this country.

And it hasn't stopped since then. That's why you have Jesse Smollett. You can't even find enough hate to attack, so you have to fake it up.

When I look across this entire forum, I see Jesse Smollett everywhere. Your post, is Jesse Smollet. This thread is Jesse Smollett. The entire Democrap party, is a giant Jesse Smollett party.

 

[busybee01]

The people who are blaming TDS for criticism of Trump were themselves OBS sufferers. Maybe we ought to consider the novel idea that there is legitinate criticosm.

For example, no one claimed Trump is dismantling all environmental regulations. He has however, without thought, attempted to with as many Obama era rules as he can with no study, no careful pro and con consideration of the effects but solely because Obama did it. Many of the people he put in charge are energy industry people who will directly benefit from these actions. Add to that he has had a number of ethically challenged if not downright corrupt people in charge.


His behavior regarding healthcare is similar. No replacement but doing all he can to wreck it. How will that effect people? Now I am willing to give him a positive if he tackles drug prices.

Your evidence that the rolled back regulations were done with no study or careful pro and con consideration for the effects? Or are you simply reciting the propaganda/talking points the left puts out about that? Those rolled back regulations have been an important part of the current economic boom as is the stability in a much more business and prosperity friendly tax code.

My husband and I losing our primary care doctors and him losing his trusted cancer doctor as a direct result of Obamacare was enough for me to want to dump the whole thing that President Trump has not done. Nor is he trying to get rid of coverage for pre-existing conditions. He has removed some of the most damning and ridiculous aspects of it which is one of several reasons the economy is now booming and couldn't before. Much more needs to be removed as well.

Obama went before the cameras time and again to assure us that if like our doctor we can keep our doctor, period. If we like our healthcare plan we can keep our healthcare plan, period. Both turned out to be bald faced lies. Doctors and healthcare plans had to comply with Obamacare rules or they were not allowed to be in business.

Obama assured us our taxes would not go up one penny due to Obamacare. Then his lawyers went before the Supreme Court arguing that the mandates were a tax and therefore legal for Congress to enact.

Though they haven't repealed it yet, there wasn't anything in place before Obamacare other than Medicare and Medicaid and the VA. So requiring the government to REPLACE any part of Obamacare with something is pretty short sighted. When you put out a fire, what do you replace it with?

Obama claimed millions who were uninsured before Obamacare now had insurance. But he never admitted that the results were too often such enormous deductibles, copays, and coverage holes for so many people and/or lack of access to healthcare that they were far worse off than they were before. Which has been the case with us in addition to premiums for non government subsidized insurance increasing far more rapidly than it had before.

Partisan talking points are not convincing for those dealing with onerous and unnecessary government taxes, regulation, mandates in the real world. I have run a business that dealt with hundreds of businesses dealing with issues in the real world. So I know first hand, up close and personal why Trump's policies beat most of Obama's hands down.

You seem to be the one who is spouting propaganda. Republicans did try to overturn Obama regulations willy nilly6 with no thought other than Obama wanted them. Some of those regulations should not have been overturned. Obama proposed establishing a fiduciary duty standard for financial advisers so they would have to act in the best interests of their clients. Republicans overturned that so financial advisers can continue to act in their best interests rather than their clients. Also we do not need coal waste in our rivers. If you think it is okay then you try it.

Obamacare is now more popular than Trump. Certain aspects of it was good and Americans realize that and that is why they want it fixed not repealed. The Republican stance of going back to the way it was is unacceptable. That is the effect of what they are proposing.

No Obama's attorneys did not come up with the tax idea. That was Roberts. Why he did that is unknown. The government has the right to regulate insurance companies so Congress acted properly. It was the 4 so-called conservatives that legislated from the bench on this one.

The statistics clearly show that more people have insurance after Obamacare than before. The number of people who have insurance has dropped under Trump which is what Republicans want to do. The fact is that premiums have continued to increase because Trump has partially succeeded. Again Obamacare has problems but Republicans have refused to try and fix it.

You are the one using partisan talking points. The fact is that most of Trump's policies have been bad. The rich and big business are the big winners under Trump while ordinary people are losers.

 

[MarcATL]

What did he do? He constantly trolled the right, and endlessly insinuated that everyone was racists. Calling everyone racists for 8 years could cause racial tensions to increase, is a shocker to you?

I can't remember a single time when I personally was called racists from the 1990s to 2012. From 2012 on, I heard the race card being dropped against me and every one that dared to question anything Obama did, on a routine basis.

So yeah, Obama is who stirred up racial tensions in this country.

And it hasn't stopped since then. That's why you have Jesse Smollett. You can't even find enough hate to attack, so you have to fake it up.

When I look across this entire forum, I see Jesse Smollett everywhere. Your post, is Jesse Smollet. This thread is Jesse Smollett. The entire Democrap party, is a giant Jesse Smollett party.

I'd like 3 instances of when President Obama trolled the right

3 instances of him insinuating that everyone was racist.

You said he was doing it constantly for 8 years, so this should be a piece of cake for you to come up with.

I'll be waiting.

 

[MarcATL]

You wanted to know how Obama demonized his base and divided the country. Read it and learn.

Gotta link?

 

[busybee01]

Another good reason for those term limits.
Get the career elites out. All of them.

I can't really say that I can support term limits because so often we get rid of the devil we know and wind up with one far worse. I look at the amazing knowledge of people like Lindsay Graham, Jim Jordan, et al, how much their experience helps us in understanding what is going on, and how unwise it might be in putting inexperienced rookies in charge of issues most critical to the security and well being of the country. (And yes, I have had my issues with Lindsay in the past too, but I'll have to say he has been exemplary the last couple of years.)

I would far rather see us have a constitutional amendment that maybe allows more annual income for our elected representatives, but that would require them to pass no legislation of any kind that benefits any group or entity that does not benefit all, that would not allow them to dispense charity or grants of any kind. And all contracts would be put out for bids. Further they should pay into their own 401ks or IRAs and health plans--the same plans they force on the rest of us--and take those with them when they leave office with no government retirement after that.

Do that and it removes all incentive for dishonorable lobbying, or for anybody who is in office to benefit himself/herself to stay there or run for office at all. That would leave us with public servants who love America and work for the people again and I don't care how long they stick around.

Something has to be done. They voted themselves half the keys to the country during Carter..then they voted themselves the second half during Reagan's second Congress.

They've been living high on our money and making us poorer ever since.

Lobbying needs to be outlawed period. It is bribery.

There is honorable lobbying. There is nothing wrong with an industry or an entity sending representatives to the State House or Washington to explain why this or that legislation would, could, does, doesn't make things better or creates serious problems. It can be a significant and necessary component to educate legislators who have to make those decisions.

Dishonorable lobbying is that which seeks to bribe, extort, coerce, manipulate advantages from the government. Advantages others probably won't have. The proposals I made to restrict anyone in the federal government from responding to that would eliminate it. And it also prevents those in government from extorting money from groups, industries, unions, entities, etc.

I recommend everybody read this short book for a real education on how that works and why a permanent political class in Washington needs to be broken up.

He has an even better one, and solid information on why Mitch McConnel needs to go.

https://amzn.to/2VVTT4E

I haven't read that one and probably won't until it is cheaper on Kindle. But thanks for the heads up.

I think McConnell is basically a decent human being overall despite being a poster child for the permanent political class. I have no wish to harm him or Schumer or Pelosi et al who are all important members of that same group. If McConnell is ousted, the permanent political class will simply elect somebody else who is proficient at raising money for their campaign coffers, super PACs, the RNC etc.

We need reform of the system to eliminate the permanent political class altogether which means eliminating their ability to so greatly personally profit from their positions that it becomes their Number One priority. Then they will term limit themselves out leaving mostly true public servants in government.

I think it will allow a constitutional amendment to accomplish though which they will never allow. We the people just need to do better in electing true public servants to government positions until they become the majority there.

For all his failings, shortcomings, flaws as a human being and the stumbles along the way, I honestly believe President Trump is a true public servant who is working for us and not for the interests of the permanent political class. Which of course is why the permanent political class and those who admire them in all political parties hate him so much.

Trump is no public servant. He is a part of the political class. He has appointed numerous lobbyists to positions overseeing the very areas they lobbied in. He signed a tax bill that had a last minute addition to it. A tax break for real estate trusts which will benefit Trump greatly. People with business before the government have been urged to stay at Trump's hotels. Every time Trump goes to one of his resorts, we have to pay for room and that money goes into Trump's pocket. Trump thinks that government paid employees are there to protect him. Trump is just as corrupt.

 

[iceberg]

I'd tell you to read a book, but your tiny mind is closed and you will only believe what you want. That is evident in your continual posting even after you've been schooled.

Schooled on what hack?

Again, I ask, explain how Obama "demonized his base."

I bet you can't.

same way trump got to be racist - the other side said so.