Time to put pressure on the GOP. . .

[Hutch Starskey]

Understand this rather simple fact.
Obstructing the investigation in itself is a crime regardless of the investigation's findings.

Understand this:

No part of the investigation was obstructed.

Multiple (illegal) investigations were conducted.

The FULL Mueller investigation ran its course.

Mueller's team knew in less than a year neither Trump nor anyone associated with his team had colluded with Russia...especially in any way like Hillary's team and Obama agencies had.

Mueller and his team failed to prove guilt, as neither Trump nor anyone on his team were indicted or convicted for collusion and / or obstruction.

...and as snowflakes have repeatedly opined about Hillary, 'NO conviction' means NO crime committed'....or are they still insisting that rule only applies to Democrats?!

No part of the investigation was obstructed

LOL...sure it was. Why don't you quote the report for us? Show us where it says that.

 

[easyt65]

Easy: "No part of the Mueller investigation was obstructed."
LOL...sure it was.

What part? Provide the list and link to substantiate.

The investigation was fully carried out. Trump ordered the GOP to allow Mueller to continue and finish....which he did.

Why don't you quote the report for us? Show us where it says that .

Unlike Nadless, I do not have access to the 98.9% redact-less report, If I did, UNLIKE Nadless, I would go and read it.

 

[Montrovant]

I don't like the idea of eminent domain being used to put up border wall. Everything I recall reading on the subject indicates that it would be used quite a lot to put up the wall.

I am not seeing that as being much, if any a problem.

Do you mean you don't expect eminent domain to be used, or you don't think using it is a bad thing?

What I mean is that I have not heard it included in the arguments against the wall. I just haven't seen that it is that much of an issue.

I've seen it brought up a time or two, but that doesn't matter as far as my opposition to it is concerned. I actually think it's unfortunate that many people, whether for or against the wall, don't seem to care whether or not the government will take the land from private owners to build the wall.

The problem of illegal immigration has to be solved in some way. If the government does not deal fairly and equitably with the land owners, I will join you in concern. But until we know that concern is warranted I will choose to have the President's back in securing the border.

The wall will not solve the problem of illegal immigration. It may help, but it certainly won't solve it by itself.

I consider the forced selling of someone's land unfair treatment, regardless of compensation. Eminent domain is something that I think should be used as sparingly as possible.

 

[kwc57]

Understand this rather simple fact.
Obstructing the investigation in itself is a crime regardless of the investigation's findings.

Understand this:

No part of the investigation was obstructed.

Multiple (illegal) investigations were conducted.

The FULL Mueller investigation ran its course.

Mueller's team knew in less than a year neither Trump nor anyone associated with his team had colluded with Russia...especially in any way like Hillary's team and Obama agencies had.

Mueller and his team failed to prove guilt, as neither Trump nor anyone on his team were indicted or convicted for collusion and / or obstruction.

...and as snowflakes have repeatedly opined about Hillary, 'NO conviction' means NO crime committed'....or are they still insisting that rule only applies to Democrats?!

No part of the investigation was obstructed

LOL...sure it was. Why don't you quote the report for us? Show us where it says that.

Cut and paste quotes please. Mueller was not fired. The WH turned over millions of pages of documents. Anyone and everyone that Mueller's team wanted access to inside the administration was made available. The team had unfettered access for over two years to do a thorough investigation and did. Where exactly were they hampered, shut down or stonewalled?

 

[blastoff]

After 2+ years of exhaustive investigations we could not come up with any evidence that Joe Smith committed arson. But our investigation did not find any evidence to conclude Joe did not commit arson. Oh, and there was no evidence of any fire either.

 

[longknife]

Read my post on House Republicans making an effort to gain back their majority.

 

[Foxfyre]

Read my post on House Republicans making an effort to gain back their majority.

Post Number?

 

[busybee01]

One item especially important to the President's immigration policy is a physical border wall in places where that could make a difference. His border patrol is pretty much 100% with him on that initiatives.

The Democrats are pretty much opposed to it.

Republicans, while a significant majority support it, are all over the map on that issue:
Republican Views on a Border Wall | Republican Views

The most disingenuous on all sides say that a border wall won't fix the problem. They won't acknowledge that the President has never said that it would but includes that, along with other immigration policy reforms, will significantly help.

I am with the President on that issue. I wish all others who also support that initiative would start pushing their elected representatives to get behind him on that.

The fact is that we don't need immigration reforms. A majority of voters see no need to change asylum laws for example. Trump is playing to his white supremacist base.

The lies you spiel are the reason Trump was elected. Think about it. Donald Trump was elected President of the United States. And he had his own agenda which was not extreme conservative. Progs however have a reduced amount of extremist judges. Calling voters names by political/journalists/entertainers and the like before the election! Giving questions to the corrupted candidate who did not even show up on election night to speak to her base showed you which she is. what is worse she knew more then two hours earlier that the race was lost but was trying to steal more votes in African American poverty areas to win close states. She has not even lost graciously. And none of you do.

Trump was elected because he was not Clinton. A quarter of voters voted against the other candidate rather than voting for a candidate. That is the vote Trump won. He had a agenda which was far right wing extremist. My opinion was America was the loser no matter whether Clinton or Trump won.

 

[busybee01]

Understand this rather simple fact.
Obstructing the investigation in itself is a crime regardless of the investigation's findings.

Understand this:

No part of the investigation was obstructed.

Multiple (illegal) investigations were conducted.

The FULL Mueller investigation ran its course.

Mueller's team knew in less than a year neither Trump nor anyone associated with his team had colluded with Russia...especially in any way like Hillary's team and Obama agencies had.

Mueller and his team failed to prove guilt, as neither Trump nor anyone on his team were indicted or convicted for collusion and / or obstruction.

...and as snowflakes have repeatedly opined about Hillary, 'NO conviction' means NO crime committed'....or are they still insisting that rule only applies to Democrats?!

Mueller found numerous cases of potential obstruction and instances where he ordered his underlings to obstruct justice.As the report says, Trump0 was not exonerated.

The Mueller team found that Manafort had talked to a individual with ties to Russian Intelligence and talked strategy and gave him internal polling data. We also know that members of the campaign were seeking Russian help to find dirt on Clinton. Also we know outside of the report that Stone bragged about his backdoor tie to WikiLeaks and he knew of Podesta's hacked e-mails showing up on WikiLeaks before they did. He either has ties to Assange or the Russians who hacked the e-mails.

We are talking about elections not a court of law. Voters can hold Trump accountable for all of this and vote against him.

 

[easyt65]

Understand this rather simple fact.
Obstructing the investigation in itself is a crime regardless of the investigation's findings.

Understand this:

No part of the investigation was obstructed.

Multiple (illegal) investigations were conducted.

The FULL Mueller investigation ran its course.

Mueller's team knew in less than a year neither Trump nor anyone associated with his team had colluded with Russia...especially in any way like Hillary's team and Obama agencies had.

Mueller and his team failed to prove guilt, as neither Trump nor anyone on his team were indicted or convicted for collusion and / or obstruction.

...and as snowflakes have repeatedly opined about Hillary, 'NO conviction' means NO crime committed'....or are they still insisting that rule only applies to Democrats?!

Mueller found numerous cases of potential obstruction and instances where he ordered his underlings to obstruct justice.As the report says, Trump0 was not exonerated.

The Mueller team found that Manafort had talked to a individual with ties to Russian Intelligence and talked strategy and gave him internal polling data. We also know that members of the campaign were seeking Russian help to find dirt on Clinton. Also we know outside of the report that Stone bragged about his backdoor tie to WikiLeaks and he knew of Podesta's hacked e-mails showing up on WikiLeaks before they did. He either has ties to Assange or the Russians who hacked the e-mails.

We are talking about elections not a court of law. Voters can hold Trump accountable for all of this and vote against him.

Yet Mueller stated in the report that no one connected to Trump committed collusion...which blows a huge hole in your BS above...

Yet Mueller and his team did not definitively state Trump committed Obstruction....

Yet Mueller stated Barr did NOT misrepresent his findings but instead that the media misrepresented his findings about obstruction...

Surprise, surprise....

 

[Foxfyre]

One item especially important to the President's immigration policy is a physical border wall in places where that could make a difference. His border patrol is pretty much 100% with him on that initiatives.

The Democrats are pretty much opposed to it.

Republicans, while a significant majority support it, are all over the map on that issue:
Republican Views on a Border Wall | Republican Views

The most disingenuous on all sides say that a border wall won't fix the problem. They won't acknowledge that the President has never said that it would but includes that, along with other immigration policy reforms, will significantly help.

I am with the President on that issue. I wish all others who also support that initiative would start pushing their elected representatives to get behind him on that.

The fact is that we don't need immigration reforms. A majority of voters see no need to change asylum laws for example. Trump is playing to his white supremacist base.

The lies you spiel are the reason Trump was elected. Think about it. Donald Trump was elected President of the United States. And he had his own agenda which was not extreme conservative. Progs however have a reduced amount of extremist judges. Calling voters names by political/journalists/entertainers and the like before the election! Giving questions to the corrupted candidate who did not even show up on election night to speak to her base showed you which she is. what is worse she knew more then two hours earlier that the race was lost but was trying to steal more votes in African American poverty areas to win close states. She has not even lost graciously. And none of you do.

Trump was elected because he was not Clinton. A quarter of voters voted against the other candidate rather than voting for a candidate. That is the vote Trump won. He had a agenda which was far right wing extremist. My opinion was America was the loser no matter whether Clinton or Trump won.

President Trump ran against 16 Republicans most of whom were well known, imminently qualified, very well funded, and who brought a minimum of baggage with them. He quite easily beat them all to win the nomination because:

--He was the only one with a real vision instead of a lot of feel good propaganda. He ran on a Make America Great Agenda with honest and obtainable goals and objectives for what that would look like.

--He was the only one who could inspire confidence that he could and would do what he promised to the best of his ability.

--He was the only one who didn't give a diddly squat about political correctness or partisanship or ideology and he was the only one who understood how millions of us have been afraid that we would lose the courts, including the Supreme Court, to partisan ideology.

So he beat Hillary, the presumed heir to the throne, running essentially unopposed in the primaries, outfunding the Trump campaign 3 to 1, but who was running on a weak and boring Obama II agenda that most of America honestly did not want.

 

[longknife]

Read my post on House Republicans making an effort to gain back their majority.

Post Number?

Different thread.

 

[Foxfyre]

I am beginning to regain a glimmer of hope for the U.S. government via a bit of courage and common sense showing up in Congress. Too long silent Republicans are getting behind the President on dealing with China, and even a Democrat or two, including Chuck Schumer, say getting China to play fair has to happen.

And for the first time, I am beginning to believe the the I.G. and the special prosecutor appointed by Barr means that we might regain our government and hold it accountable for serious wrong doing for the first time in a very long time.

It feels good to dare to be just a little bit hopeful though I remain mostly jaded because my hopes have been dashed so many times in the past.

 

[basquebromance]

I.Q. TEST: Was the chant at Trump rallies ... 1) "make the border operationally secure!” 2) "develop border security programs!” 3) “invest in technology at the border!” 4) BUILD THE WALL!

 

[Foxfyre]

I.Q. TEST: Was the chant at Trump rallies ... 1) "make the border operationally secure!” 2) "develop border security programs!” 3) “invest in technology at the border!” 4) BUILD THE WALL!

Chants are rarely that detailed. But Trump supporters know that the wall is only part of the solution and will hugely help the border patrol do their jobs effectively. Another important part is the immigration reform proposal that was announced today, changing the law re amnesty, and getting more cooperation from Mexico and Central American countries.

 

[Ridgerunner]

I am beginning to regain a glimmer of hope for the U.S. government via a bit of courage and common sense showing up in Congress. Too long silent Republicans are getting behind the President on dealing with China, and even a Democrat or two, including Chuck Schumer, say getting China to play fair has to happen.

And for the first time, I am beginning to believe the the I.G. and the special prosecutor appointed by Barr means that we might regain our government and hold it accountable for serious wrong doing for the first time in a very long time.

It feels good to dare to be just a little bit hopeful though I remain mostly jaded because my hopes have been dashed so many times in the past.

Ma'am I wish I could grab on to some of your optimism... I have been following politics since I shook Dick Nixon's hand in '68'... My eponymous Grandfather, my father and I went to a Nixon Rally in Terre Haute, Indiana... I was 14 yrs old... I had all ready been bitten by the political bug, but on that day it become a chronic condition… 50 years and I have never seen political hysteria like is being played today... By both parties I might add... I hope some of these folks you speak of in Congress truly are coming to their senses...

The one thing I can confidently say is I have no regret re: the election of our current POTUS... Please just keep up the good fight and very astute observations...

 

[Foxfyre]

I am beginning to regain a glimmer of hope for the U.S. government via a bit of courage and common sense showing up in Congress. Too long silent Republicans are getting behind the President on dealing with China, and even a Democrat or two, including Chuck Schumer, say getting China to play fair has to happen.

And for the first time, I am beginning to believe the the I.G. and the special prosecutor appointed by Barr means that we might regain our government and hold it accountable for serious wrong doing for the first time in a very long time.

It feels good to dare to be just a little bit hopeful though I remain mostly jaded because my hopes have been dashed so many times in the past.

Ma'am I wish I could grab on to some of your optimism... I have been following politics since I shook Dick Nixon's hand in '68'... My eponymous Grandfather, my father and I went to a Nixon Rally in Terre Haute, Indiana... I was 14 yrs old... I had all ready been bitten by the political bug, but on that day it become a chronic condition… 50 years and I have never seen political hysteria like is being played today... By both parties I might add... I hope some of these folks you speak of in Congress truly are coming to their senses...

The one thing I can confidently say is I have no regret re: the election of our current POTUS... Please just keep up the good fight and very astute observations...

Thanks. I hope my optimism is not misplaced because it is the first time in a long time I've allowed myself to have any when it comes to government doing the right thing in policing its own.

 

[deanrd]

You can’t pressure Republicans.

These are the people that value the gun rights of school shooters over children.

These are the people who would give 10 years to a violent rapist who tortured and assaulted a woman but yet give a life sentence to the doctor that saved her sanity.

When you asked these people who would take care of these unwanted children and natal care for women who weren’t allowed to have an abortion and they say that’s her problem, she’s the one that had sex. Even if it was unwilling and she was raped.

These are people who applaud babies in cages and children being teargassed at the border.

Is it any wonder Republicans think despots like Putin or Lil Kim are strong leaders? Because they’re just as bad as those despots.

 

[Foxfyre]

Isn't it interesting that all the talking heads on the MSM, except for one or two, don't seem the least bit interested in the new special counsel, John Durham, looking into basically the Muller investigation and whether methods to collect intelligence related to President Trump's campaign were appropriate and legal. Also whether the origins of that were reasonable or politically motivated.

If the GOP doesn't get behind that in an appropriate manner, I think we are probably all doomed and might as well prepare ourselves for a new America awash in progressive socialist incompetence and wrong headedness for the rest of our lifetimes. Because they will have won the ideological war and we probably won't be able to stop it.