"They are not terrorists"? South under Hamas' fire, AGAIN

[Phoenall]

Billo_Really, et al,

Well, this comment is not exactly accurate.

The relationship between the Occupation Power and the population of the Occupied Territory is much the the relationship between a School and the Students.

Not really, but go ahead.

In this analogy, the School has the responsibility to provide a safe and secure environment to the students for which they can accept and learn from the education the School renders.

Wrong! A population under the occupation of a foreign force, is under no obligation to accept anything from the occupying power.

If the students are unruly and disruptive --- responsible for the breakdown in the safe and secure environment, that is on the students.

Are you saying a population under the occupation of a foreign power, doesn't have the right to resist that occupation?

Similarly, IF the Palestinians conduct themselves, in such a manner, that the safe and secure environment is broken down, --- that the environment is no longer capable of supporting a prosperous and developing country, --- THEN that is directly the fault of the Palestinian and not the occupation power.

The Germans felt the same way towards the Warsaw Ghetto.

The security devices and the measures taken in the occupied territories are in direct response to the belligerent nature of the Palestinians.

Which is a direct response to the belligerent occupation.

The lack of development and prosperity in the Occupied Territory is not due to the occupation --- but to the inability of the Palestinian People to build a nation and conduct themselves in a manner such that the added security countermeasures become unnecessary and may be lifted.

Oh, you are fucking nuts!

If a company cannot export their product to market, how can you say it doesn't have a detrimental effect on that company?

If an author is not allowed to leave Gaza to go to a book signing in New York, how can you say that doesn't have a detrimental effect on her book sales?

If you're not allowed to fish out to internationally recognized borders, how can you say it doesn't have a detrimental effect on the fishing industry?

​

SO, you are right that the Occupying Power is responsible for attempting to maintain the safe and secure environment. You are wrong in suggesting that the added security countermeasures are not the logical response to the unruly and belligerent Palestinian activity which sets the conditions for their "situation."

They're not "security countermeasures". They measures designed to destroy Palestinian life.

The Jihadist and Terrorist supporting "Unity Government" of the Palestinian State is a clear and present danger to the security of Israel and the greater regional area. There is no reasonable expectation that left to their own devises, they have the potential to develop into a stronger Jihadist and Terrorist regional threat then they currently are now.

Most Respectfully,
R

Excluding the Knesset, other governments are none of Israeli's god-damn business!

Are you saying that a population under occupation can target the occupiers civilian population in another country, specifically the children using terrorist acts. ?

Are you saying the occupying nation can not retaliate to attacks on its civilian population outside of the area occupied using terrorist acts

So way back in 627C.E. when it all began who was to blame and instigated the genocide of the Jewish tribe. Who was to blame for the cultural and religious commands to " KILL ALL THE JEWS "


If a company fails to make its own provision for trade how can they blame Israel for their failure

If a person own elected government closes the border so they cant leave, or refuses them a passport to travel how can you blame Israel

If your fishing fleet is constantly engaged in gun running and illegal smuggling how can you blame Israel for them getting fired at

So the measures employed to stop suicide bombings of Israeli children are designed to destroy Palestinian life without a concern for the lives of thousands of Jewish children mass murdered by Palestinian terrorists.


So when the UN asks ISrael to stop firing they can tell them to go to hell because you claim they have no business telling Israel what to do.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Reality is that it is Christmas and the Christian Palestinians, as are all Christians, are celebrating our most important day of the year. So, you Jews and Muslims should stop killing us.

Your taqiyya is no more convincing now than the last several times you have tried it.

 

[toastman]

Billo_Really, et al,

Well, this comment is not exactly accurate.

The relationship between the Occupation Power and the population of the Occupied Territory is much the the relationship between a School and the Students.

Not really, but go ahead.

In this analogy, the School has the responsibility to provide a safe and secure environment to the students for which they can accept and learn from the education the School renders.

Wrong! A population under the occupation of a foreign force, is under no obligation to accept anything from the occupying power.

If the students are unruly and disruptive --- responsible for the breakdown in the safe and secure environment, that is on the students.

Are you saying a population under the occupation of a foreign power, doesn't have the right to resist that occupation?

Similarly, IF the Palestinians conduct themselves, in such a manner, that the safe and secure environment is broken down, --- that the environment is no longer capable of supporting a prosperous and developing country, --- THEN that is directly the fault of the Palestinian and not the occupation power.

The Germans felt the same way towards the Warsaw Ghetto.

The security devices and the measures taken in the occupied territories are in direct response to the belligerent nature of the Palestinians.

Which is a direct response to the belligerent occupation.

The lack of development and prosperity in the Occupied Territory is not due to the occupation --- but to the inability of the Palestinian People to build a nation and conduct themselves in a manner such that the added security countermeasures become unnecessary and may be lifted.

Oh, you are fucking nuts!

If a company cannot export their product to market, how can you say it doesn't have a detrimental effect on that company?

If an author is not allowed to leave Gaza to go to a book signing in New York, how can you say that doesn't have a detrimental effect on her book sales?

If you're not allowed to fish out to internationally recognized borders, how can you say it doesn't have a detrimental effect on the fishing industry?

​

SO, you are right that the Occupying Power is responsible for attempting to maintain the safe and secure environment. You are wrong in suggesting that the added security countermeasures are not the logical response to the unruly and belligerent Palestinian activity which sets the conditions for their "situation."

They're not "security countermeasures". They measures designed to destroy Palestinian life.

The Jihadist and Terrorist supporting "Unity Government" of the Palestinian State is a clear and present danger to the security of Israel and the greater regional area. There is no reasonable expectation that left to their own devises, they have the potential to develop into a stronger Jihadist and Terrorist regional threat then they currently are now.

Most Respectfully,
R

Excluding the Knesset, other governments are none of Israeli's god-damn business!

Ya ya ya, blame Israel for everything. That's what the Palestinians excel at . And Palestinian ass kissers like you fall for it.
You are brainwashed Billo. Beyond repair .

 

[Kondor3]

...Excluding the Knesset, other governments are none of Israeli's god-damn business!

Incorrect.

For any given government, the nature of every other government is of concern, in matters of national interest and survival.

The Real World does not work in the way that you believe it does (or should).

 

[Billo_Really]

Ya ya ya, blame Israel for everything. That's what the Palestinians excel at . And Palestinian ass kissers like you fall for it.
You are brainwashed Billo. Beyond repair .

Except for the part about what effect the occupation has on local businesses, nothing in my post had anything to do with blame.

"A population under the occupation of a foreign force, is under no obligation to accept anything from the occupying power."
That's just a reference to international law.
"Are you saying a population under the occupation of a foreign power, doesn't have the right to resist that occupation?"
That's a question.
"The Germans felt the same way towards the Warsaw Ghetto."
That's a rhetorical statement.
"Which is a direct response to the belligerent occupation."
That's an observation.
"They're not "security countermeasures". They measures designed to destroy Palestinian life."
That's a personal opinion.
"Excluding the Knesset, other governments are none of Israeli's god-damn business."
That's an obvious statement of fact.​

None of that has anything to do with blame! In fact, the only thing in my post that had to do with blame, was this...

If a company cannot export their product to market, how can you say it doesn't have a detrimental effect on that company?

If an author is not allowed to leave Gaza to go to a book signing in New York, how can you say that doesn't have a detrimental effect on her book sales?

If you're not allowed to fish out to internationally recognized borders, how can you say it doesn't have a detrimental effect on the fishing industry?​

So, if you do not think Israel should be blamed for that, then answer those fucking questions, you retarded snowback!

 

[Billo_Really]

Incorrect.

For any given government, the nature of every other government is of concern, in matters of national interest and survival.

The Real World does not work in the way that you believe it does (or should).

That wasn't my point.

Israel has no right to decide who can (and cannot) be members of foreign governments.

 

[Lipush]

Ya ya ya, blame Israel for everything. That's what the Palestinians excel at . And Palestinian ass kissers like you fall for it.
You are brainwashed Billo. Beyond repair .

Except for the part about what effect the occupation has on local businesses, nothing in my post had anything to do with blame.

"A population under the occupation of a foreign force, is under no obligation to accept anything from the occupying power."
That's just a reference to international law.
"Are you saying a population under the occupation of a foreign power, doesn't have the right to resist that occupation?"
That's a question.
"The Germans felt the same way towards the Warsaw Ghetto."
That's a rhetorical statement.
"Which is a direct response to the belligerent occupation."
That's an observation.
"They're not "security countermeasures". They measures designed to destroy Palestinian life."
That's a personal opinion.
"Excluding the Knesset, other governments are none of Israeli's god-damn business."
That's an obvious statement of fact.​

None of that has anything to do with blame! In fact, the only thing in my post that had to do with blame, was this...

If a company cannot export their product to market, how can you say it doesn't have a detrimental effect on that company?

If an author is not allowed to leave Gaza to go to a book signing in New York, how can you say that doesn't have a detrimental effect on her book sales?

If you're not allowed to fish out to internationally recognized borders, how can you say it doesn't have a detrimental effect on the fishing industry?​

So, if you do not think Israel should be blamed for that, then answer those fucking questions, you retarded snowback!

Watch this, please:

 

[Billo_Really]

Are you saying that a population under occupation can target the occupiers civilian population in another country, specifically the children using terrorist acts. ?

Not in another country, but the territory that is occupied.

Are you saying the occupying nation can not retaliate to attacks on its civilian population outside of the area occupied using terrorist acts

Everyone has the right to self defense. If an attack occurs outside the occupied area, then yes, the Israeli's have a right to retaliate.

So way back in 627C.E. when it all began who was to blame and instigated the genocide of the Jewish tribe. Who was to blame for the cultural and religious commands to " KILL ALL THE JEWS "

Don't know, don't care.

If a company fails to make its own provision for trade how can they blame Israel for their failure

If you are barred from exporting your product, any "provisions" you make are a moot point.

If a person own elected government closes the border so they cant leave, or refuses them a passport to travel how can you blame Israel

But if the government refusing them the passport is Israel, then I can blame Israel.

If your fishing fleet is constantly engaged in gun running and illegal smuggling how can you blame Israel for them getting fired at

Because they are FISHING!

So the measures employed to stop suicide bombings of Israeli children are designed to destroy Palestinian life without a concern for the lives of thousands of Jewish children mass murdered by Palestinian terrorists.

The measures are employed for the sole purpose of making life so unbearable for Palestinian's, that they go away.

So when the UN asks ISrael to stop firing they can tell them to go to hell because you claim they have no business telling Israel what to do.

That has nothing to do with what I said.

 

[Billo_Really]

Watch this, please:

I sure would've liked to hear the Danish Ambassador's response.

As far as Ms. Carols comments, no one is nitpicking at Israel. Israel is being blamed for the things Israel does and if Israel doesn't like that, then it needs to stop doing those things that they are blamed for.

 

[Lipush]

Watch this, please:

I sure would've liked to hear the Danish Ambassador's response.

As far as Ms. Carols comments, no one is nitpicking at Israel. Israel is being blamed for the things Israel does and if Israel doesn't like that, then it needs to stop doing those things that they are blamed for.

I would also have loved to hear the reponse.

And people DO pick on Israel. Reports of 2014 concerning UN condemntions give Israel 20 condemntions, while north Korea gets none. China NONE. Iran NONE.

Basically every state that systematically abuses, butchers, and jails its own civilians didn't get any red card (or yellow) on its behavior, except Israel, the only democracy in the Mid-East.

What Caroline says is backed up by evidence. Not just "whining"

 

[toastman]

Ya ya ya, blame Israel for everything. That's what the Palestinians excel at . And Palestinian ass kissers like you fall for it.
You are brainwashed Billo. Beyond repair .

Except for the part about what effect the occupation has on local businesses, nothing in my post had anything to do with blame.

"A population under the occupation of a foreign force, is under no obligation to accept anything from the occupying power."
That's just a reference to international law.
"Are you saying a population under the occupation of a foreign power, doesn't have the right to resist that occupation?"
That's a question.
"The Germans felt the same way towards the Warsaw Ghetto."
That's a rhetorical statement.
"Which is a direct response to the belligerent occupation."
That's an observation.
"They're not "security countermeasures". They measures designed to destroy Palestinian life."
That's a personal opinion.
"Excluding the Knesset, other governments are none of Israeli's god-damn business."
That's an obvious statement of fact.​

None of that has anything to do with blame! In fact, the only thing in my post that had to do with blame, was this...

If a company cannot export their product to market, how can you say it doesn't have a detrimental effect on that company?

If an author is not allowed to leave Gaza to go to a book signing in New York, how can you say that doesn't have a detrimental effect on her book sales?

If you're not allowed to fish out to internationally recognized borders, how can you say it doesn't have a detrimental effect on the fishing industry?​

So, if you do not think Israel should be blamed for that, then answer those fucking questions, you retarded snowback!

He was talking about the Occupied Territories which means the West Bank. Gaza is in the situation they are in because of Hamas . That's what happens when you constantly attack Israel. You reap what you sow.
Now go kiss some more Palestinians ass like you are known to do.

 

[Lipush]

Ah, well, you know I like your style, toastman.

Join us with our prayers and wishes for the full recovery of Ayala Shapira

 

[Billo_Really]

He was talking about the Occupied Territories which means the West Bank. Gaza is in the situation they are in because of Hamas . That's what happens when you constantly attack Israel. You reap what you sow.
Now go kiss some more Palestinians ass like you are known to do.

 

[toastman]

He was talking about the Occupied Territories which means the West Bank. Gaza is in the situation they are in because of Hamas . That's what happens when you constantly attack Israel. You reap what you sow.
Now go kiss some more Palestinians ass like you are known to do.

Hahaha I laughed out loud for some reason.

You should go buy some of his albums now that he has expressed his support for the Palestinians

 

[toastman]

Ah, well, you know I like your style, toastman.

Join us with our prayers and wishes for the full recovery of Ayala Shapira

She has been in my thoughts since the moment I read the article

 

[Lipush]

Ah, well, you know I like your style, toastman.

Join us with our prayers and wishes for the full recovery of Ayala Shapira

She has been in my thoughts since the moment I read the article

Amen.

On the side note, what do you think of this?

http://rotter.net/forum/scoops1/166906.shtml

 

[RoccoR]

Billo_Really, et al,

Let's look at this in the shadow of your response.

In this analogy, the School has the responsibility to provide a safe and secure environment to the students for which they can accept and learn from the education the School renders.

Wrong! A population under the occupation of a foreign force, is under no obligation to accept anything from the occupying power.

(COMMENT)

This is kind of tricky. I said the "school" (Israel) has a responsibility to provide. I did not say that the "students" (the Palestinians) had an "obligation;" I said: "can accept."

You are correct! The Palestinians are "under no obligation to accept" either the safe and secure environment --- or --- peaceful governance through effective control. Remembering of course that to commit an offense with the intend to harm the Israeli Occupying Force is punishable, under International Humanitarian Law (Article 68, Geneva Convention). There is a consequence to pay if the Palestinian choose to challenge the imposed "public order and safety" mandated by the Israeli Occupation Force under IHL (Article 43 Hague Convention).

If the students are unruly and disruptive --- responsible for the breakdown in the safe and secure environment, that is on the students.

Are you saying a population under the occupation of a foreign power, doesn't have the right to resist that occupation?

(COMMENT)

If they do, that such action as to do harm or kill the Occupation Force (Israelis), then --- NO; the Palestinian doesn't have the right to resist that occupation --- that is not punishable by Article 68, GCIV.

This is a tricky question. The use of force is "inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations" and the Charter. While most pro-Palestinians point to the policy that "resistance" --- by all means" --- in A/RES/3236 (XXIX) 22 November 1974, is justification for the actions historically taken is in direct contravention to the intent of the UN.

The UN in --- Emphasizing the paramount importance of the Charter of the United Nations --- for the maintenance of international peace and security ---- the progressive development and codification of the principles of international law concerning friendly relations and co-operation among States:

Considering that the progressive development and codification of the following principles:

• The principle that States shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any State, or in any other manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations,

• The principle that States shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security and justice are not endangered,

Similarly, IF the Palestinians conduct themselves, in such a manner, that the safe and secure environment is broken down, --- that the environment is no longer capable of supporting a prosperous and developing country, --- THEN that is directly the fault of the Palestinian and not the occupation power.

The Germans felt the same way towards the Warsaw Ghetto.

(COMMENT)

There is no correlation between the "Occupied and Autonomous Palestinian Territories" with the "Warsaw Ghetto;" no correlation at all.

The Warsaw Ghetto was less then 2 square-miles, with 400,000 Jews --- of which more than 250,000 Ghetto where sent to Treblinka Death Camp.

The security devices and the measures taken in the occupied territories are in direct response to the belligerent nature of the Palestinians.

Which is a direct response to the belligerent occupation.

(COMMENT)

A nature of a "belligerent occupation" is not based the actions of the Occupation Force, but rather the acceptance by the population being occupied and the level of law and order that is maintained.

Remember, in 1967, at the time of the "occupation" --- the West Bank was Jordanian territory under Israeli occupation and the Gaza Strip was an Egyptian Military Governorship under Israeli occupation. The two territories did not become "Occupied and Autonomous Palestinian Territories" until much later (the Gaza Strip in 1979 and the West Bank in 1988).

The lack of development and prosperity in the Occupied Territory is not due to the occupation --- but to the inability of the Palestinian People to build a nation and conduct themselves in a manner such that the added security countermeasures become unnecessary and may be lifted.

Oh, you are fucking nuts!

If a company cannot export their product to market, how can you say it doesn't have a detrimental effect on that company?

If an author is not allowed to leave Gaza to go to a book signing in New York, how can you say that doesn't have a detrimental effect on her book sales?

If you're not allowed to fish out to internationally recognized borders, how can you say it doesn't have a detrimental effect on the fishing industry?​

(COMMENT)

The situation in the Occupied and Autonomous Palestinian Territories (OAPTs) of the Gaza Strip --- in comparison to the West Bank, are considerably different. I have seen the description of the OAPT described as:

The restrictions imposed on urban planning, residency permits, and access to the West Bank have imposed constant pressure on the Palestinian community, which is unable to lead a normal life even after decades of occupation. Finally, the social and economic situation of the population living in the Gaza Strip represents one of the most depressing sights in the region. Even though Israel has not had a permanent presence in Gaza since its official disengagement in 2005, it has in fact maintained effective control over the Strip and its borders since 1967. (P. Maurer, President, ICRC – Challenges to international humanitarian law: Israel’s occupation policy)​

Prior to 1990, the issue of Checkpoints, Physical Obstructions, Restricted Roadways and the Separation Barrier were not a major concern. It is a case of gradual implementation as the emphasis began to shift to suicide bomber prevention, the detection of improved explosive devices/land mines/roadside bombs, ambushes, and other terrorist attacks by the Jihadist and Fedayeen.

(COMMENT)

The security countermeasures came as a response to the Palestinian Terrorist Action. And, after the implementation of the various countermeasures --- there was a marked decrease in the number of incidents. It is hard to argue with success.

​

SO, you are right that the Occupying Power is responsible for attempting to maintain the safe and secure environment. You are wrong in suggesting that the added security countermeasures are not the logical response to the unruly and belligerent Palestinian activity which sets the conditions for their "situation."

They're not "security countermeasures". They measures designed to destroy Palestinian life.

(COMMENT)

The security countermeasures were put in place to reduce the potential for successful terrorist actions by the Jihadist and Fedayeen. They save Israeli lives and act as a deterrent to the asymmetric, insurgent and terrorist activity of the Palestinian.

The Jihadist and Terrorist supporting "Unity Government" of the Palestinian State is a clear and present danger to the security of Israel and the greater regional area. There is no reasonable expectation that left to their own devises, they have the potential to develop into a stronger Jihadist and Terrorist regional threat then they currently are now.

Excluding the Knesset, other governments are none of Israeli's god-damn business!

(COMMENT)

While it is the often then Palestinian position to imply it is "all bout them" as the virtual victim, the State of Israel has to look at a much wider foreign policy position. It actually does make a difference to Israel if the Lebanese are under the political coercion of Hezbollah, if Iran is supporting Hezbollah in concert with the Assad Regime. It makes a difference if the Hashemite Kingdom is threatened by the proximity of the Islamic State. It make a difference if the Egyptian government is threatened by the Muslim Brotherhood in concert with HAMAS, the al-Aqsa Brigades (the military wing of the Palestinian Fatah). and the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades (the military wing of the Palestinian HAMAS).

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[member]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Our friend Paul (P F Tinmore) is 100% absolutely correct.

Sure I do.

2. The Armistice Demarcation Line is not to be construed in any sense as a political or territorial boundary, and is delineated without prejudice to rights, claims and positions of either Party to the Armistice as regards ultimate settlement of the Palestine question.

3. The basic purpose of the Armistice Demarcation Line is to delineate the line beyond which the armed forces of the respective Parties shall not move except as provided in Article III of this Agreement.

The Avalon Project Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement February 24 1949​

They were specifically not to be borders.

(OBSERVATION)

How do you treat an Armistice Line?

Every State likewise has the duty to refrain from the threat or use of force to violate international lines of demarcation, such as armistice lines, established by or pursuant to an international agreement to which it is a party or which it is otherwise bound to respect. Nothing in the foregoing shall be construed as prejudicing the positions of the parties concerned with regard to the status and effects of such lines under their special regimes or as affecting their temporary character. A/RES/2625​

Whether you call it a "Border" an "International Boundary" --- or an "Armistice Line" --- legally they are all in the family of "demarcation lines" --- and enjoy the exact same protections. The UN understands this very well; in fact, the Secretary-General's (Ban Ki-moon) home country has had a segment of it border as an "Armistice Line" for more than half a century.

(COMMENT)

But what an "Armistice Line" is (by definition) --- or --- how an "Armistice Line" is treated and protected legally (A/RES/2625) is really of no material matter with respect to the occupied Palestinian territories (oPt); other than a historical reference point. The State of Israel and the State of Palestine do not currently share a common "active" Armistice Line." And historically, when the "Armistice Lines" were "active" --- the Palestinians (either the PLO as the sole legitimated representative of the Palestinian, or the 1988 Government for the State of Palestine) were not a Party to any Armistice Agreement. The Armistice Lines that encapsulated the Gaza Strip and the West Bank were settled by Treaty with Israel and the Governments of Egypt and Jordan (respectively).

The only active Armistice Lines in the region exist between the State of Israel and the States of Syria and Lebanon. Again, these lines have nothing to do with the Palestinians and are of no concern to the Palestinians. Currently both the Arab states are as risk, with Syria in a state of civil war --- and simultaneously --- under attack by the Jihadist Terrorist Movement (Islamic State). Lebanon, which is under the coercive influence of a Shi'a Islamist Paramilitary Movement (Jihad Council of Hezbollah), is in a precarious situation. Currently Saudi Arabia is supporting the Lebanese Army (as opposed to Hezbollah), and Hezbollah maybe at odds with Islamic State over recent events. Syria will certainly be effected by the outcome of the fighting. The Regime will certainly not be what it was. Lebanon, is at risk --- and Jordan will hold a common border with the threat. So, the "Armistice Lines" with Lebanon and Syria are of no concern to the Palestinian. In fact, no one wants to ignite another conflict that might result in the loss of containment of another Jihadist threat (Palestinians).

The Palestinians, as recognized by A/RES/43/177 15 December 1988, as the State of Palestine ( A/43/827 S/20278 18 November 1988) by the Palestine National Council on 15 November 1988; exercising their sovereignty over their territory occupied since 1967. Similarly, A/RES/67/19 4 December 2012 on the Status of Palestine, reaffirms the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination and to independence in their State of Palestine on the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967. The Armistice Lines are not used as the markers of the boundary for the basis of recognition. However, there is a territorial dispute.

Most Respectfully,
R

P F Tinmore, et al,

Our friend Paul (P F Tinmore) is 100% absolutely correct.

Sure I do.

2. The Armistice Demarcation Line is not to be construed in any sense as a political or territorial boundary, and is delineated without prejudice to rights, claims and positions of either Party to the Armistice as regards ultimate settlement of the Palestine question.

3. The basic purpose of the Armistice Demarcation Line is to delineate the line beyond which the armed forces of the respective Parties shall not move except as provided in Article III of this Agreement.

The Avalon Project Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement February 24 1949​

They were specifically not to be borders.

(OBSERVATION)

How do you treat an Armistice Line?

Every State likewise has the duty to refrain from the threat or use of force to violate international lines of demarcation, such as armistice lines, established by or pursuant to an international agreement to which it is a party or which it is otherwise bound to respect. Nothing in the foregoing shall be construed as prejudicing the positions of the parties concerned with regard to the status and effects of such lines under their special regimes or as affecting their temporary character. A/RES/2625​

Whether you call it a "Border" an "International Boundary" --- or an "Armistice Line" --- legally they are all in the family of "demarcation lines" --- and enjoy the exact same protections. The UN understands this very well; in fact, the Secretary-General's (Ban Ki-moon) home country has had a segment of it border as an "Armistice Line" for more than half a century.

You keep bringing this up like it has some significance to the Palestinians.

For one thing, the Palestinians were not one of the respective Parties to the agreements.

For another, since the armistice lines are specifically not political or territorial borders, it is Palestine on both sides of the lines.

I don't see how it is possible for the Palestinians to violate such lines.

(COMMENT)

But what an "Armistice Line" is (by definition) --- or --- how an "Armistice Line" is treated and protected legally (A/RES/2625) is really of no material matter with respect to the occupied Palestinian territories (oPt); other than a historical reference point. The State of Israel and the State of Palestine do not currently share a common "active" Armistice Line." And historically, when the "Armistice Lines" were "active" --- the Palestinians (either the PLO as the sole legitimated representative of the Palestinian, or the 1988 Government for the State of Palestine) were not a Party to any Armistice Agreement. The Armistice Lines that encapsulated the Gaza Strip and the West Bank were settled by Treaty with Israel and the Governments of Egypt and Jordan (respectively).

The only active Armistice Lines in the region exist between the State of Israel and the States of Syria and Lebanon. Again, these lines have nothing to do with the Palestinians and are of no concern to the Palestinians. Currently both the Arab states are as risk, with Syria in a state of civil war --- and simultaneously --- under attack by the Jihadist Terrorist Movement (Islamic State). Lebanon, which is under the coercive influence of a Shi'a Islamist Paramilitary Movement (Jihad Council of Hezbollah), is in a precarious situation. Currently Saudi Arabia is supporting the Lebanese Army (as opposed to Hezbollah), and Hezbollah maybe at odds with Islamic State over recent events. Syria will certainly be effected by the outcome of the fighting. The Regime will certainly not be what it was. Lebanon, is at risk --- and Jordan will hold a common border with the threat. So, the "Armistice Lines" with Lebanon and Syria are of no concern to the Palestinian. In fact, no one wants to ignite another conflict that might result in the loss of containment of another Jihadist threat (Palestinians).

The Palestinians, as recognized by A/RES/43/177 15 December 1988, as the State of Palestine ( A/43/827 S/20278 18 November 1988) by the Palestine National Council on 15 November 1988; exercising their sovereignty over their territory occupied since 1967. Similarly, A/RES/67/19 4 December 2012 on the Status of Palestine, reaffirms the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination and to independence in their State of Palestine on the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967. The Armistice Lines are not used as the markers of the boundary for the basis of recognition. However, there is a territorial dispute.

Most Respectfully,
R

"For another, since the armistice lines are specifically not political or territorial borders, it is Palestine on both sides of the lines."

How is it possible that you can come up with a statement so incredibly ridiculous??

I'll repeat it again: Just because YOU hate Israel and don't recognize it, it doesn't mean that it applies to reality.

So, what is ridiculous?

"So, what is ridiculous?"




...you and your support of evil terrorists. that's what's ridiculous-and disgusting and...pretty much pathetic.

this is what you support. you're a sicko.




g.f.y.

 

[toastman]

Ah, well, you know I like your style, toastman.

Join us with our prayers and wishes for the full recovery of Ayala Shapira

She has been in my thoughts since the moment I read the article

Amen.

On the side note, what do you think of this?

http://rotter.net/forum/scoops1/166906.shtml

If I understand correctly, some Gazan orphans are going to be visiting parts of Israel ? I don't read Hebrew 100% when there are no vowels under the letters

 

[P F Tinmore]

Ya ya ya, blame Israel for everything. That's what the Palestinians excel at . And Palestinian ass kissers like you fall for it.
You are brainwashed Billo. Beyond repair .

Except for the part about what effect the occupation has on local businesses, nothing in my post had anything to do with blame.

"A population under the occupation of a foreign force, is under no obligation to accept anything from the occupying power."
That's just a reference to international law.
"Are you saying a population under the occupation of a foreign power, doesn't have the right to resist that occupation?"
That's a question.
"The Germans felt the same way towards the Warsaw Ghetto."
That's a rhetorical statement.
"Which is a direct response to the belligerent occupation."
That's an observation.
"They're not "security countermeasures". They measures designed to destroy Palestinian life."
That's a personal opinion.
"Excluding the Knesset, other governments are none of Israeli's god-damn business."
That's an obvious statement of fact.​

None of that has anything to do with blame! In fact, the only thing in my post that had to do with blame, was this...

If a company cannot export their product to market, how can you say it doesn't have a detrimental effect on that company?

If an author is not allowed to leave Gaza to go to a book signing in New York, how can you say that doesn't have a detrimental effect on her book sales?

If you're not allowed to fish out to internationally recognized borders, how can you say it doesn't have a detrimental effect on the fishing industry?​

So, if you do not think Israel should be blamed for that, then answer those fucking questions, you retarded snowback!

Watch this, please:

So Glick plays the terrorist card a few time. That is no surprise.

Israel holds itself to a double standard by considering itself above international law.