"They are not terrorists"? South under Hamas' fire, AGAIN

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Our friend Paul (P F Tinmore) is 100% absolutely correct.

Sure I do.

2. The Armistice Demarcation Line is not to be construed in any sense as a political or territorial boundary, and is delineated without prejudice to rights, claims and positions of either Party to the Armistice as regards ultimate settlement of the Palestine question.

3. The basic purpose of the Armistice Demarcation Line is to delineate the line beyond which the armed forces of the respective Parties shall not move except as provided in Article III of this Agreement.

The Avalon Project Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement February 24 1949​

They were specifically not to be borders.

(OBSERVATION)

How do you treat an Armistice Line?

Every State likewise has the duty to refrain from the threat or use of force to violate international lines of demarcation, such as armistice lines, established by or pursuant to an international agreement to which it is a party or which it is otherwise bound to respect. Nothing in the foregoing shall be construed as prejudicing the positions of the parties concerned with regard to the status and effects of such lines under their special regimes or as affecting their temporary character. A/RES/2625​

Whether you call it a "Border" an "International Boundary" --- or an "Armistice Line" --- legally they are all in the family of "demarcation lines" --- and enjoy the exact same protections. The UN understands this very well; in fact, the Secretary-General's (Ban Ki-moon) home country has had a segment of it border as an "Armistice Line" for more than half a century.

(COMMENT)

But what an "Armistice Line" is (by definition) --- or --- how an "Armistice Line" is treated and protected legally (A/RES/2625) is really of no material matter with respect to the occupied Palestinian territories (oPt); other than a historical reference point. The State of Israel and the State of Palestine do not currently share a common "active" Armistice Line." And historically, when the "Armistice Lines" were "active" --- the Palestinians (either the PLO as the sole legitimated representative of the Palestinian, or the 1988 Government for the State of Palestine) were not a Party to any Armistice Agreement. The Armistice Lines that encapsulated the Gaza Strip and the West Bank were settled by Treaty with Israel and the Governments of Egypt and Jordan (respectively).

The only active Armistice Lines in the region exist between the State of Israel and the States of Syria and Lebanon. Again, these lines have nothing to do with the Palestinians and are of no concern to the Palestinians. Currently both the Arab states are as risk, with Syria in a state of civil war --- and simultaneously --- under attack by the Jihadist Terrorist Movement (Islamic State). Lebanon, which is under the coercive influence of a Shi'a Islamist Paramilitary Movement (Jihad Council of Hezbollah), is in a precarious situation. Currently Saudi Arabia is supporting the Lebanese Army (as opposed to Hezbollah), and Hezbollah maybe at odds with Islamic State over recent events. Syria will certainly be effected by the outcome of the fighting. The Regime will certainly not be what it was. Lebanon, is at risk --- and Jordan will hold a common border with the threat. So, the "Armistice Lines" with Lebanon and Syria are of no concern to the Palestinian. In fact, no one wants to ignite another conflict that might result in the loss of containment of another Jihadist threat (Palestinians).

The Palestinians, as recognized by A/RES/43/177 15 December 1988, as the State of Palestine ( A/43/827 S/20278 18 November 1988) by the Palestine National Council on 15 November 1988; exercising their sovereignty over their territory occupied since 1967. Similarly, A/RES/67/19 4 December 2012 on the Status of Palestine, reaffirms the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination and to independence in their State of Palestine on the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967. The Armistice Lines are not used as the markers of the boundary for the basis of recognition. However, there is a territorial dispute.

Most Respectfully,
R

P F Tinmore, et al,

Our friend Paul (P F Tinmore) is 100% absolutely correct.

Sure I do.

2. The Armistice Demarcation Line is not to be construed in any sense as a political or territorial boundary, and is delineated without prejudice to rights, claims and positions of either Party to the Armistice as regards ultimate settlement of the Palestine question.

3. The basic purpose of the Armistice Demarcation Line is to delineate the line beyond which the armed forces of the respective Parties shall not move except as provided in Article III of this Agreement.

The Avalon Project Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement February 24 1949​

They were specifically not to be borders.

(OBSERVATION)

How do you treat an Armistice Line?

Every State likewise has the duty to refrain from the threat or use of force to violate international lines of demarcation, such as armistice lines, established by or pursuant to an international agreement to which it is a party or which it is otherwise bound to respect. Nothing in the foregoing shall be construed as prejudicing the positions of the parties concerned with regard to the status and effects of such lines under their special regimes or as affecting their temporary character. A/RES/2625​

Whether you call it a "Border" an "International Boundary" --- or an "Armistice Line" --- legally they are all in the family of "demarcation lines" --- and enjoy the exact same protections. The UN understands this very well; in fact, the Secretary-General's (Ban Ki-moon) home country has had a segment of it border as an "Armistice Line" for more than half a century.

You keep bringing this up like it has some significance to the Palestinians.

For one thing, the Palestinians were not one of the respective Parties to the agreements.

For another, since the armistice lines are specifically not political or territorial borders, it is Palestine on both sides of the lines.

I don't see how it is possible for the Palestinians to violate such lines.

(COMMENT)

But what an "Armistice Line" is (by definition) --- or --- how an "Armistice Line" is treated and protected legally (A/RES/2625) is really of no material matter with respect to the occupied Palestinian territories (oPt); other than a historical reference point. The State of Israel and the State of Palestine do not currently share a common "active" Armistice Line." And historically, when the "Armistice Lines" were "active" --- the Palestinians (either the PLO as the sole legitimated representative of the Palestinian, or the 1988 Government for the State of Palestine) were not a Party to any Armistice Agreement. The Armistice Lines that encapsulated the Gaza Strip and the West Bank were settled by Treaty with Israel and the Governments of Egypt and Jordan (respectively).

The only active Armistice Lines in the region exist between the State of Israel and the States of Syria and Lebanon. Again, these lines have nothing to do with the Palestinians and are of no concern to the Palestinians. Currently both the Arab states are as risk, with Syria in a state of civil war --- and simultaneously --- under attack by the Jihadist Terrorist Movement (Islamic State). Lebanon, which is under the coercive influence of a Shi'a Islamist Paramilitary Movement (Jihad Council of Hezbollah), is in a precarious situation. Currently Saudi Arabia is supporting the Lebanese Army (as opposed to Hezbollah), and Hezbollah maybe at odds with Islamic State over recent events. Syria will certainly be effected by the outcome of the fighting. The Regime will certainly not be what it was. Lebanon, is at risk --- and Jordan will hold a common border with the threat. So, the "Armistice Lines" with Lebanon and Syria are of no concern to the Palestinian. In fact, no one wants to ignite another conflict that might result in the loss of containment of another Jihadist threat (Palestinians).

The Palestinians, as recognized by A/RES/43/177 15 December 1988, as the State of Palestine ( A/43/827 S/20278 18 November 1988) by the Palestine National Council on 15 November 1988; exercising their sovereignty over their territory occupied since 1967. Similarly, A/RES/67/19 4 December 2012 on the Status of Palestine, reaffirms the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination and to independence in their State of Palestine on the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967. The Armistice Lines are not used as the markers of the boundary for the basis of recognition. However, there is a territorial dispute.

Most Respectfully,
R

"For another, since the armistice lines are specifically not political or territorial borders, it is Palestine on both sides of the lines."

How is it possible that you can come up with a statement so incredibly ridiculous??

I'll repeat it again: Just because YOU hate Israel and don't recognize it, it doesn't mean that it applies to reality.

So, what is ridiculous?

"So, what is ridiculous?"




...you and your support of evil terrorists. that's what's ridiculous-and disgusting and...pretty much pathetic.

this is what you support. you're a sicko.




g.f.y.

Calling names is a sign of losing.

 

[Phoenall]

Ya ya ya, blame Israel for everything. That's what the Palestinians excel at . And Palestinian ass kissers like you fall for it.
You are brainwashed Billo. Beyond repair .

Except for the part about what effect the occupation has on local businesses, nothing in my post had anything to do with blame.

"A population under the occupation of a foreign force, is under no obligation to accept anything from the occupying power."
That's just a reference to international law.
"Are you saying a population under the occupation of a foreign power, doesn't have the right to resist that occupation?"
That's a question.
"The Germans felt the same way towards the Warsaw Ghetto."
That's a rhetorical statement.
"Which is a direct response to the belligerent occupation."
That's an observation.
"They're not "security countermeasures". They measures designed to destroy Palestinian life."
That's a personal opinion.
"Excluding the Knesset, other governments are none of Israeli's god-damn business."
That's an obvious statement of fact.​

None of that has anything to do with blame! In fact, the only thing in my post that had to do with blame, was this...

If a company cannot export their product to market, how can you say it doesn't have a detrimental effect on that company?

If an author is not allowed to leave Gaza to go to a book signing in New York, how can you say that doesn't have a detrimental effect on her book sales?

If you're not allowed to fish out to internationally recognized borders, how can you say it doesn't have a detrimental effect on the fishing industry?​

So, if you do not think Israel should be blamed for that, then answer those fucking questions, you retarded snowback!

Very simple if the Palestinians had not engaged in war that resulted in Israel imposing a blockade then they would not be in the situation they are today. It was the deliberate targeting of Israeli children prior to 2000 that led to the enforcing of strict military law and the placing of a blockade on gaza. Once you understand that simple concept then you will see your Palestinian hero's for child murdering terrorist scum they are, and join the human race in condemning them

 

[toastman]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Our friend Paul (P F Tinmore) is 100% absolutely correct.

Sure I do.

2. The Armistice Demarcation Line is not to be construed in any sense as a political or territorial boundary, and is delineated without prejudice to rights, claims and positions of either Party to the Armistice as regards ultimate settlement of the Palestine question.

3. The basic purpose of the Armistice Demarcation Line is to delineate the line beyond which the armed forces of the respective Parties shall not move except as provided in Article III of this Agreement.

The Avalon Project Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement February 24 1949​

They were specifically not to be borders.

(OBSERVATION)

How do you treat an Armistice Line?

Every State likewise has the duty to refrain from the threat or use of force to violate international lines of demarcation, such as armistice lines, established by or pursuant to an international agreement to which it is a party or which it is otherwise bound to respect. Nothing in the foregoing shall be construed as prejudicing the positions of the parties concerned with regard to the status and effects of such lines under their special regimes or as affecting their temporary character. A/RES/2625​

Whether you call it a "Border" an "International Boundary" --- or an "Armistice Line" --- legally they are all in the family of "demarcation lines" --- and enjoy the exact same protections. The UN understands this very well; in fact, the Secretary-General's (Ban Ki-moon) home country has had a segment of it border as an "Armistice Line" for more than half a century.

(COMMENT)

But what an "Armistice Line" is (by definition) --- or --- how an "Armistice Line" is treated and protected legally (A/RES/2625) is really of no material matter with respect to the occupied Palestinian territories (oPt); other than a historical reference point. The State of Israel and the State of Palestine do not currently share a common "active" Armistice Line." And historically, when the "Armistice Lines" were "active" --- the Palestinians (either the PLO as the sole legitimated representative of the Palestinian, or the 1988 Government for the State of Palestine) were not a Party to any Armistice Agreement. The Armistice Lines that encapsulated the Gaza Strip and the West Bank were settled by Treaty with Israel and the Governments of Egypt and Jordan (respectively).

The only active Armistice Lines in the region exist between the State of Israel and the States of Syria and Lebanon. Again, these lines have nothing to do with the Palestinians and are of no concern to the Palestinians. Currently both the Arab states are as risk, with Syria in a state of civil war --- and simultaneously --- under attack by the Jihadist Terrorist Movement (Islamic State). Lebanon, which is under the coercive influence of a Shi'a Islamist Paramilitary Movement (Jihad Council of Hezbollah), is in a precarious situation. Currently Saudi Arabia is supporting the Lebanese Army (as opposed to Hezbollah), and Hezbollah maybe at odds with Islamic State over recent events. Syria will certainly be effected by the outcome of the fighting. The Regime will certainly not be what it was. Lebanon, is at risk --- and Jordan will hold a common border with the threat. So, the "Armistice Lines" with Lebanon and Syria are of no concern to the Palestinian. In fact, no one wants to ignite another conflict that might result in the loss of containment of another Jihadist threat (Palestinians).

The Palestinians, as recognized by A/RES/43/177 15 December 1988, as the State of Palestine ( A/43/827 S/20278 18 November 1988) by the Palestine National Council on 15 November 1988; exercising their sovereignty over their territory occupied since 1967. Similarly, A/RES/67/19 4 December 2012 on the Status of Palestine, reaffirms the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination and to independence in their State of Palestine on the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967. The Armistice Lines are not used as the markers of the boundary for the basis of recognition. However, there is a territorial dispute.

Most Respectfully,
R

P F Tinmore, et al,

Our friend Paul (P F Tinmore) is 100% absolutely correct.

(OBSERVATION)

How do you treat an Armistice Line?

Every State likewise has the duty to refrain from the threat or use of force to violate international lines of demarcation, such as armistice lines, established by or pursuant to an international agreement to which it is a party or which it is otherwise bound to respect. Nothing in the foregoing shall be construed as prejudicing the positions of the parties concerned with regard to the status and effects of such lines under their special regimes or as affecting their temporary character. A/RES/2625​

Whether you call it a "Border" an "International Boundary" --- or an "Armistice Line" --- legally they are all in the family of "demarcation lines" --- and enjoy the exact same protections. The UN understands this very well; in fact, the Secretary-General's (Ban Ki-moon) home country has had a segment of it border as an "Armistice Line" for more than half a century.

You keep bringing this up like it has some significance to the Palestinians.

For one thing, the Palestinians were not one of the respective Parties to the agreements.

For another, since the armistice lines are specifically not political or territorial borders, it is Palestine on both sides of the lines.

I don't see how it is possible for the Palestinians to violate such lines.

(COMMENT)

But what an "Armistice Line" is (by definition) --- or --- how an "Armistice Line" is treated and protected legally (A/RES/2625) is really of no material matter with respect to the occupied Palestinian territories (oPt); other than a historical reference point. The State of Israel and the State of Palestine do not currently share a common "active" Armistice Line." And historically, when the "Armistice Lines" were "active" --- the Palestinians (either the PLO as the sole legitimated representative of the Palestinian, or the 1988 Government for the State of Palestine) were not a Party to any Armistice Agreement. The Armistice Lines that encapsulated the Gaza Strip and the West Bank were settled by Treaty with Israel and the Governments of Egypt and Jordan (respectively).

The only active Armistice Lines in the region exist between the State of Israel and the States of Syria and Lebanon. Again, these lines have nothing to do with the Palestinians and are of no concern to the Palestinians. Currently both the Arab states are as risk, with Syria in a state of civil war --- and simultaneously --- under attack by the Jihadist Terrorist Movement (Islamic State). Lebanon, which is under the coercive influence of a Shi'a Islamist Paramilitary Movement (Jihad Council of Hezbollah), is in a precarious situation. Currently Saudi Arabia is supporting the Lebanese Army (as opposed to Hezbollah), and Hezbollah maybe at odds with Islamic State over recent events. Syria will certainly be effected by the outcome of the fighting. The Regime will certainly not be what it was. Lebanon, is at risk --- and Jordan will hold a common border with the threat. So, the "Armistice Lines" with Lebanon and Syria are of no concern to the Palestinian. In fact, no one wants to ignite another conflict that might result in the loss of containment of another Jihadist threat (Palestinians).

The Palestinians, as recognized by A/RES/43/177 15 December 1988, as the State of Palestine ( A/43/827 S/20278 18 November 1988) by the Palestine National Council on 15 November 1988; exercising their sovereignty over their territory occupied since 1967. Similarly, A/RES/67/19 4 December 2012 on the Status of Palestine, reaffirms the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination and to independence in their State of Palestine on the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967. The Armistice Lines are not used as the markers of the boundary for the basis of recognition. However, there is a territorial dispute.

Most Respectfully,
R

"For another, since the armistice lines are specifically not political or territorial borders, it is Palestine on both sides of the lines."

How is it possible that you can come up with a statement so incredibly ridiculous??

I'll repeat it again: Just because YOU hate Israel and don't recognize it, it doesn't mean that it applies to reality.

So, what is ridiculous?

"So, what is ridiculous?"




...you and your support of evil terrorists. that's what's ridiculous-and disgusting and...pretty much pathetic.

this is what you support. you're a sicko.




g.f.y.

Calling names is a sign of losing.

But Tinmore, you've lost EVERY single debate. So please....

 

[Phoenall]

Are you saying that a population under occupation can target the occupiers civilian population in another country, specifically the children using terrorist acts. ?

Not in another country, but the territory that is occupied.

Are you saying the occupying nation can not retaliate to attacks on its civilian population outside of the area occupied using terrorist acts

Everyone has the right to self defense. If an attack occurs outside the occupied area, then yes, the Israeli's have a right to retaliate.

So way back in 627C.E. when it all began who was to blame and instigated the genocide of the Jewish tribe. Who was to blame for the cultural and religious commands to " KILL ALL THE JEWS "

Don't know, don't care.

If a company fails to make its own provision for trade how can they blame Israel for their failure

If you are barred from exporting your product, any "provisions" you make are a moot point.

If a person own elected government closes the border so they cant leave, or refuses them a passport to travel how can you blame Israel

But if the government refusing them the passport is Israel, then I can blame Israel.

If your fishing fleet is constantly engaged in gun running and illegal smuggling how can you blame Israel for them getting fired at

Because they are FISHING!

So the measures employed to stop suicide bombings of Israeli children are designed to destroy Palestinian life without a concern for the lives of thousands of Jewish children mass murdered by Palestinian terrorists.

The measures are employed for the sole purpose of making life so unbearable for Palestinian's, that they go away.

So when the UN asks ISrael to stop firing they can tell them to go to hell because you claim they have no business telling Israel what to do.

That has nothing to do with what I said.

Hamas targets Israeli children in Israel so they deserve all they get. Also Customary International Law says that terrorism is illegal everywhere and so can be responded to with force even in occupied territories like Iraq, Afghanistan and west bank. Gaza is not an occupied territory so they are outside of your remit.

So an attack in gaza can be retaliated to as legally gaza is not occupied.

So you want to be an ostrich when it comes to actually understanding what the reasons for the troubles are, and just want to heap all the blame on the Jews.

They were not barred from exporting their goods, what happened is they thought the Israelis would do all the logistics for them as they had in the past. When Israel washed their hands of the logistics the palestinians resorted to what they know best TERRORISM and VIOLENCE. If you ran a supply business would you expect your rivals to transport your goods to market ?

Why should Israel issue them with a passport when they are not Israeli citizens, I don't understand your reasoning. Why didn't they ask the USA or China for a passport then, or is that obvious. The P.A. are their governing body and they have been issuing passports to Palestinians for close on to 20 years now.

Where is your proof, as the video you produce shows them using a 4 inch cargonet that would be hard pushed to catch anything smaller than a shark. The shallow waters of the med means a monofilament net of half inch diamonds would result in the best catch, and is priced at about a tenth of the cost of a cargonet. The video showed a smuggling operation and you were suckered into thinking they were fishing.

Yes so they go away from Israel and stop using terrorism against children, did you know that the Palestinians complained to the UN when the separation barriers first went up because they could no longer plant IED's to murder Israeli children.

It has everything to do with what you said, as you RACIALLY single out the Jews for special treatment that you would oppose if it was given to the Palestinians. Then you claim not to be consumed with hatred for the Jews because you don't know why you hate the Jews. You just know that you do and will demonise them constantly

 

[Phoenall]

Watch this, please:

I sure would've liked to hear the Danish Ambassador's response.

As far as Ms. Carols comments, no one is nitpicking at Israel. Israel is being blamed for the things Israel does and if Israel doesn't like that, then it needs to stop doing those things that they are blamed for.

What things does Israel do that hundreds of other nations are also doing ?

 

[Phoenall]

Ya ya ya, blame Israel for everything. That's what the Palestinians excel at . And Palestinian ass kissers like you fall for it.
You are brainwashed Billo. Beyond repair .

Except for the part about what effect the occupation has on local businesses, nothing in my post had anything to do with blame.

"A population under the occupation of a foreign force, is under no obligation to accept anything from the occupying power."
That's just a reference to international law.
"Are you saying a population under the occupation of a foreign power, doesn't have the right to resist that occupation?"
That's a question.
"The Germans felt the same way towards the Warsaw Ghetto."
That's a rhetorical statement.
"Which is a direct response to the belligerent occupation."
That's an observation.
"They're not "security countermeasures". They measures designed to destroy Palestinian life."
That's a personal opinion.
"Excluding the Knesset, other governments are none of Israeli's god-damn business."
That's an obvious statement of fact.​

None of that has anything to do with blame! In fact, the only thing in my post that had to do with blame, was this...

If a company cannot export their product to market, how can you say it doesn't have a detrimental effect on that company?

If an author is not allowed to leave Gaza to go to a book signing in New York, how can you say that doesn't have a detrimental effect on her book sales?

If you're not allowed to fish out to internationally recognized borders, how can you say it doesn't have a detrimental effect on the fishing industry?​

So, if you do not think Israel should be blamed for that, then answer those fucking questions, you retarded snowback!

Watch this, please:

So Glick plays the terrorist card a few time. That is no surprise.

Israel holds itself to a double standard by considering itself above international law.

While team Palestine plays the ISLAMONAZI PROPAGANDA CARD to set itself outside of all international laws.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Caroline Glick is a Harvard educated, American Journalist, with on-topic regional experience and military service in the region.

So Glick plays the terrorist card a few time. That is no surprise.

Israel holds itself to a double standard by considering itself above international law.

(COMMENT)

In this video excerpt --- Caroline Glick speaks almost entirely from the emotional standpoint and practical vantage point. While it expresses a view that many would like to project concerning the political attitude of Europe towards Israel --- it does not make for a firm and sound argument on an evidentiary level.

Israel is the government responsible for the protection of the Jewish National Home. It cannot rely on the umbrella of any other nation or international collective (UN, NATO, the EU, etc). Israel does not hold itself to a double-standard at all. On the contrary, it is the various international collectives that exercise the double-standard.

The double-standard being addressed here is the material-political support the international collective (UN, NATO, the EU, etc) renders to the Palestinians (who have been responsible from some of the most heinous terrorist acts of the 20th Century) while condemning Israel for engaging and containing these self-proclaimed Jihadist.

While it is probably true that Israel has made political-military mistakes in the past, the magnitude of these mistakes is no greater than those mistakes made by the principal major powers of the world; and certainly pale in comparison to the asymmetric, insurgent, guerrilla and terrorist activity of the Palestinians in the last four decades.

√ A List of Recent Palestinian Incitement, Attacks, Glorification
​

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Billo_Really]

Very simple if the Palestinians had not engaged in war that resulted in Israel imposing a blockade then they would not be in the situation they are today.

First of all, the Palestinian's are not at war, they are under the belligerent occupation of a foreign force. Secondly, the blockade started after Hamas won elections in 2006. The blockade was imposed to punish Gazan's for the results of said election.

It was the deliberate targeting of Israeli children prior to 2000 that led to the enforcing of strict military law and the placing of a blockade on gaza.

Again, their weapons cannot be targeted. They have no guidance systems. Do you know how stupid you sound, saying Israel started the blockade a full 6 years after the reason you stated?

Once you understand that simple concept then you will see your Palestinian hero's for child murdering terrorist scum they are, and join the human race in condemning them

You've murdered 100 times the children they have, so shut your fuckin' mouth!

 

[Billo_Really]

What things does Israel do that hundreds of other nations are also doing ?

Maintaining a brutal and tyrannical occupation for almost a half century.

No other country, in the history of the planet, has done that.

 

[Phoenall]

Very simple if the Palestinians had not engaged in war that resulted in Israel imposing a blockade then they would not be in the situation they are today.

First of all, the Palestinian's are not at war, they are under the belligerent occupation of a foreign force. Secondly, the blockade started after Hamas won elections in 2006. The blockade was imposed to punish Gazan's for the results of said election.

It was the deliberate targeting of Israeli children prior to 2000 that led to the enforcing of strict military law and the placing of a blockade on gaza.

Again, their weapons cannot be targeted. They have no guidance systems. Do you know how stupid you sound, saying Israel started the blockade a full 6 years after the reason you stated?

Once you understand that simple concept then you will see your Palestinian hero's for child murdering terrorist scum they are, and join the human race in condemning them

You've murdered 100 times the children they have, so shut your fuckin' mouth!

Palestine declared war in 1948 along with the rest of the arab league, that declaration has never been rescinded. Hamas declared war on Israel on the day it was formed, that declaration has never been rescinded.. So Isreal is defending against war .

Bullets have no guidance system either so are they the same. The fact that recent events show the deliberate targeting of Israeli children means nothing to you does, just as the events prior to 2000 when the separation barrier was first erected also mean nothing. The deliberate targeting of Children by the Palestinians have caused occupation, military law and a blockade. And it was 30 years in the making from the initial occupation in 1967.

No the children have been murdered by the P.A for refusing to comply with IHL and the Geneva conventions. This is why the UN, ICC and ICJ have not brought any charges against Israel or individual Israelis. The fact that Israel puts the defence of its civilians first means that the numbers of dead children is greatly reduced compared to what was the case prior to 2000, this sis why team Palestine and the Jew haters use 2000 as the start point for the tally.

Rattled your cage again I see for you to use your typical trailer park white trash obscenity and anti social language.

 

[Phoenall]

What things does Israel do that hundreds of other nations are also doing ?

Maintaining a brutal and tyrannical occupation for almost a half century.

No other country, in the history of the planet, has done that.

The USA has for the last 25 years, and it is only brutal and tyrannical to those who are Jew haters

 

[RoccoR]

Billo_Really, et al,

Lighten up a bit.

Very simple if the Palestinians had not engaged in war that resulted in Israel imposing a blockade then they would not be in the situation they are today.

First of all, the Palestinian's are not at war, they are under the belligerent occupation of a foreign force. Secondly, the blockade started after Hamas won elections in 2006. The blockade was imposed to punish Gazan's for the results of said election.

(COMMENT)

• The Palestinians are, at war. It is simply a different kind of war. It is an asymmetric, unconventional, insurgency using terrorist methods of operation.
  • The HAMAS as declared a Jihad by Covenant (1988); and
  • The HAMAS as reaffirmed the Covenant by an official Policy Statement (2013).

• The blockade is not (repeat NOT) a form of punishment. It is a complimentary counterinsurgency and counterterrorist intended to include --- but not limited to:
  • The blockade help established steps to enhance international cooperation in preventing, combating and eradicating illicit brokering in small arms and light weapons (The illicit trade in small arms and light weapons in all its aspects A/RES/68/48).
  • The blockade were part of the measures to prevent and combat terrorism, in particular by denying terrorists access to the means to carry out their attacks, to their targets and to the desired impact of their attacks. (Measures to prevent and combat terrorism A/RES/60/288.)
  • The blockade complements international cooperation by taking additional measures to prevent and suppress, in their territories through all lawful means, the financing and preparation of any acts of terrorism, and is a practical countermeasure for the internal defense and developlment of Israeli security and safety measures. [S/RES/1373 (2001)]
  • The blockade is essential in the accomplishment of Article 42 and 43 Hague Convention, in establishing effective controls for Law and Order.
  • The blockade is essential for the protection of vulnerable sea-based infrastructures in the Levant Basin.
  • The blockade is essential for the detection and control of contraband materials used to penetrate Israeli sovereign territory.

It was the deliberate targeting of Israeli children prior to 2000 that led to the enforcing of strict military law and the placing of a blockade on gaza.

Again, their weapons cannot be targeted. They have no guidance systems. Do you know how stupid you sound, saying Israel started the blockade a full 6 years after the reason you stated?

(COMMENT)

There are two aspects to this topic.

First, the Palestinian violation of the Customary Rules of Land Warfare:

• Rule 11. Indiscriminate attacks are prohibited.
• Rule 12. Indiscriminate attacks are those:
  • (a) which are not directed at a specific military objective;
  • (b) which employ a method or means of combat which cannot be directed at a specific military objective; or
  • (c) which employ a method or means of combat the effects of which cannot be limited as required by international humanitarian law; and consequently, in each such case, are of a nature to strike military objectives and civilians or civilian objects without distinction.
• Rule 13. Attacks by bombardment by any method or means which treats as a single military objective a number of clearly separated and distinct military objectives located in a city, town, village or other area containing a similar concentration of civilians or civilian objects are prohibited.

It does not matter if the weapon system used by the Palestinians are guidance capable or not. If the use results in indiscriminate fire, then it is a violation.

1950. In relation to the firing of rockets and mortars into southern Israel by Palestinian armed groups operating in the Gaza Strip, the Mission finds that the Palestinian armed groups fail to distinguish between military targets and the civilian population and civilian objects in southern Israel. The launching of rockets and mortars which cannot be aimed with sufficient precisions at military targets breaches the fundamental principle of distinction. Where there is no intended military target and the rockets and mortars are launched into civilian areas, they constitute a deliberate attack against the civilian population. These actions would constitute war crimes and may amount to crimes against humanity.

1951. The Mission concludes that the rocket and mortars attacks, launched by Palestinian armed groups operating from Gaza, have caused terror in the affected communities of southern Israel. The attacks have caused loss of life and physical and mental injury to civilians as well as damaging private houses, religious buildings and property, and eroded the economic and cultural life of the affected communities and severely affected economic and social rights of the population.

Source: A/HRC/12/48 (ADVANCE 2) page 17 --- HUMAN RIGHTS IN PALESTINE AND OTHER OCCUPIED ARAB TERRITORIES Report of the United Nations Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict

The greater question is the matter of Palestinian "intent" pertaining to the use of civilians in a combat zone.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[pbel]

Thank you, Europe.
A rocket was fired from Gaza early Friday afternoon, breaking the truce reached at the end of the last Hamas terror war.

"Color red" rocket warning sirens were sounded in communities in the Eshkol Regional Council area just outside of Gaza, and shortly thereafter it was reported that a rocket struck just outside a community in Eshkol; no wounds or damage were reported.

On Thursday there was a false alarm in Be'er Sheva, with rocket sirenssounding reportedly due to a technical malfunction.

The attack comes a day after Hamas held its largest military exercise since Operation Protective Edge on the ruins of two former Israeli villages - Dugit and Nissanit - in Gaza which were evacuated in the 2005 Disengagement plan, allowing Hamas to take over.

In the past few months, since the end of Operation Protective Edge, various incidents have occurred indicating Hamas' attempt to rebuild and regain military strength.

Gaza Rocket Lands Outside of Eshkol Town - Defense Security - News - Arutz Sheva

The Europeans have felt the yoke of occupation and had to fight the occupiers in the same manner as the Palestinians...

It really amazes me that you blinded Israelis don't get that simple fact...

 

[docmauser1]

The Europeans have felt the yoke of occupation and had to fight the occupiers in the same manner as the Palestinians...

Europeans haven't felt the "yoke of the occupation" yet, but they eventually will, when the muslim european settlement enterprise is complete, of course.

 

[pbel]

The Europeans have felt the yoke of occupation and had to fight the occupiers in the same manner as the Palestinians...

Europeans haven't felt the "yoke of the occupation" yet, but they eventually will, when the muslim european settlement enterprise is complete, of course.

For one time I agree with your observation...After all, Religions like Christianity have been known to conquer great Empires like Rome, and Islam is growing, Judaism receding...

Faith is a strong force...

 

[Phoenall]

Thank you, Europe.
A rocket was fired from Gaza early Friday afternoon, breaking the truce reached at the end of the last Hamas terror war.

"Color red" rocket warning sirens were sounded in communities in the Eshkol Regional Council area just outside of Gaza, and shortly thereafter it was reported that a rocket struck just outside a community in Eshkol; no wounds or damage were reported.

On Thursday there was a false alarm in Be'er Sheva, with rocket sirenssounding reportedly due to a technical malfunction.

The attack comes a day after Hamas held its largest military exercise since Operation Protective Edge on the ruins of two former Israeli villages - Dugit and Nissanit - in Gaza which were evacuated in the 2005 Disengagement plan, allowing Hamas to take over.

In the past few months, since the end of Operation Protective Edge, various incidents have occurred indicating Hamas' attempt to rebuild and regain military strength.

Gaza Rocket Lands Outside of Eshkol Town - Defense Security - News - Arutz Sheva

The Europeans have felt the yoke of occupation and had to fight the occupiers in the same manner as the Palestinians...

It really amazes me that you blinded Israelis don't get that simple fact...

Nope as we did not target children and unarmed civilians rather than armed forces, nor did we fight from the cover of civilian areas.

 

[Phoenall]

The Europeans have felt the yoke of occupation and had to fight the occupiers in the same manner as the Palestinians...

Europeans haven't felt the "yoke of the occupation" yet, but they eventually will, when the muslim european settlement enterprise is complete, of course.

For one time I agree with your observation...After all, Religions like Christianity have been known to conquer great Empires like Rome, and Islam is growing, Judaism receding...

Faith is a strong force...

Islam will never be big enough to take on even Israel, it does not have a big enough advantage yet. The problem with islam is it is too self centred and individuals cant work together. This was shown during the 1948 war of independence when no two arab groups could agree on tactics, and each had its own agenda

 

[pbel]

Thank you, Europe.
A rocket was fired from Gaza early Friday afternoon, breaking the truce reached at the end of the last Hamas terror war.

"Color red" rocket warning sirens were sounded in communities in the Eshkol Regional Council area just outside of Gaza, and shortly thereafter it was reported that a rocket struck just outside a community in Eshkol; no wounds or damage were reported.

On Thursday there was a false alarm in Be'er Sheva, with rocket sirenssounding reportedly due to a technical malfunction.

The attack comes a day after Hamas held its largest military exercise since Operation Protective Edge on the ruins of two former Israeli villages - Dugit and Nissanit - in Gaza which were evacuated in the 2005 Disengagement plan, allowing Hamas to take over.

In the past few months, since the end of Operation Protective Edge, various incidents have occurred indicating Hamas' attempt to rebuild and regain military strength.

Gaza Rocket Lands Outside of Eshkol Town - Defense Security - News - Arutz Sheva

The Europeans have felt the yoke of occupation and had to fight the occupiers in the same manner as the Palestinians...

It really amazes me that you blinded Israelis don't get that simple fact...

Nope as we did not target children and unarmed civilians rather than armed forces, nor did we fight from the cover of civilian areas.

The Germans didn't bring Civilians with them to displace the legitimate homes of others...

 

[pbel]

The Europeans have felt the yoke of occupation and had to fight the occupiers in the same manner as the Palestinians...

Europeans haven't felt the "yoke of the occupation" yet, but they eventually will, when the muslim european settlement enterprise is complete, of course.

For one time I agree with your observation...After all, Religions like Christianity have been known to conquer great Empires like Rome, and Islam is growing, Judaism receding...

Faith is a strong force...

Islam will never be big enough to take on even Israel, it does not have a big enough advantage yet. The problem with islam is it is too self centred and individuals cant work together. This was shown during the 1948 war of independence when no two arab groups could agree on tactics, and each had its own agenda

You're right not yet...It took Christianity 335 years...Time is on their side...

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Caroline Glick is a Harvard educated, American Journalist, with on-topic regional experience and military service in the region.

So Glick plays the terrorist card a few time. That is no surprise.

Israel holds itself to a double standard by considering itself above international law.

Most Respectfully,
R

Indeed, Caroline Glick's one state solution.



Then there is some perspective from a professor of international law.



This gives some context to Gaza.