There's that secession crap again

[Jon]

You want to force the conservatives to live under your ideals, they want to force you to live under their ideals.

That is why our Constitution has elections. If your side loses, you are not forced to do anything. "We the People" have just decided on a different direction for the country

Those without power are forced to accept the will of those with power. It should not be the case.

 

[Jon]

1. They did no such thing. They ruled that it was not explicitly allowed under the Constitution.

2. The notion that it is unconstitutional is irrelevant. If a state rules that they do not want to be a part of the United States, they are also agreeing that they do not want to be bound by the Constitution.

The kitty has some claws. Good reply

Ok, if the constitutionality is irrelevant then it comes down to force. And Abe Lincoln backed that up in the “War between the States.” If a state succeeds they will be “occupied” by Federal forces. People do not have the same loyalty to states today that they had back in the 1800’s. This is all a “tempest in a teapot” that the politicians are using to stir things up. Never going to happen!

No, people do not have loyalty to the states, but they do have loyalty to their ideals. And if those ideals are tread upon too roughly, they will seek a resolution.

 

[Synthaholic]

You want to force the conservatives to live under your ideals, they want to force you to live under their ideals.

That is why our Constitution has elections. If your side loses, you are not forced to do anything. "We the People" have just decided on a different direction for the country

I'm a newbie here, and I think I've just found my first reasonable, rational Rightwinger.

 

[Jon]

You want to force the conservatives to live under your ideals, they want to force you to live under their ideals.

That is why our Constitution has elections. If your side loses, you are not forced to do anything. "We the People" have just decided on a different direction for the country

I'm a newbie here, and I think I've just found my first reasonable, rational Rightwinger.

His name is a misnomer.

Furthermore, what he said is far from reasonable. That you agree with his sentiment clearly proves that you lack reason as well.

I'll remember these words when your "side" loses in the next few elections. The other side will have their own fundamental plan of ruining this country, and you'll be forced to live with it.

 

[Jon]

Operate more effectiely as 50 separate states? Are you batshit crazy? Do you know how much duplication of services there would be? 50 monetary systems, 50 Armies, Interstate squabbling

You would send us back to the stone age with feifdoms

I think your concern is that most of the money you want to tax would not join in your union, so you'd have no money to support your social systems.

Who says each state has to have its own currency? The European Union issued a single currency for several different countries, and it seems to work well for them. Also, the idea that each state is its own government is not exactly where I was going: more like each region of the country as a separate government.

 

[AllieBaba]

You want to force the conservatives to live under your ideals, they want to force you to live under their ideals.

That is why our Constitution has elections. If your side loses, you are not forced to do anything. "We the People" have just decided on a different direction for the country

I'm a newbie here, and I think I've just found my first reasonable, rational Rightwinger.

No, you haven't. You've found a progressive liar. The lies start with his avatar.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

You want to force the conservatives to live under your ideals, they want to force you to live under their ideals.

That is why our Constitution has elections. If your side loses, you are not forced to do anything. "We the People" have just decided on a different direction for the country

I'm a newbie here, and I think I've just found my first reasonable, rational Rightwinger.

YOU WOULD BE INNCORECT HE'S ASENIAL WACKO LEFT WINGER. Don't let the moniker fool you. We are a republic when Republicans are in charge we are a democracy when Democrats are in charge.
The reason we are a Republic when Republicans are in charge is because the democrats whine because they fear they will lose their voice and have to go the way of the republicans. When a democracy is in effect the democrats are in charge because the minority is supposed to except what the majority does, without question.

 

[AllieBaba]

They signed the Constitution, their citizens are citizens of the United States not their individual state

If I no longer want to be a citizen, I can move to another country. That's not illegal. Why would it be illegal for me to declare that I am a citizen of Arkansas and not the United States if, for instance, Arkansas were to secede?

But I like how you are focusing on this part of my post and ignoring the big picture I was presenting. We, as a society, would function better under several smaller governments than a single government. You want to force the conservatives to live under your ideals, they want to force you to live under their ideals. Why can't we let the ideals rules in the areas where they are predominant, and people can choose to live wherever they find their ideals best matched?

Operate more effectiely as 50 separate states? Are you batshit crazy? Do you know how much duplication of services there would be? 50 monetary systems, 50 Armies, Interstate squabbling

You would send us back to the stone age with feifdoms

No, that's where we're headed now.

 

[AllieBaba]

I'd rather live free in a poor, primitive, hungry state than live in a poor, primitive, hungry, SOCIALIST state. ANY DAY OF THE FUCKING WEEK.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

That is why our Constitution has elections. If your side loses, you are not forced to do anything. "We the People" have just decided on a different direction for the country

I'm a newbie here, and I think I've just found my first reasonable, rational Rightwinger.

His name is a misnomer.

Furthermore, what he said is far from reasonable. That you agree with his sentiment clearly proves that you lack reason as well.

I'll remember these words when your "side" loses in the next few elections. The other side will have their own fundamental plan of ruining this country, and you'll be forced to live with it.

Retract your claws please.

 

[Synthaholic]

That is why our Constitution has elections. If your side loses, you are not forced to do anything. "We the People" have just decided on a different direction for the country

I'm a newbie here, and I think I've just found my first reasonable, rational Rightwinger.

His name is a misnomer.

Furthermore, what he said is far from reasonable. That you agree with his sentiment clearly proves that you lack reason as well.

I'll remember these words when your "side" loses in the next few elections. The other side will have their own fundamental plan of ruining this country, and you'll be forced to live with it.

Good luck with that. My Anointed Messiah, Barack Hussein Obama, has assured me, through night visions, of a Permanent Majority!

 

[Synthaholic]

No, you haven't. You've found a progressive liar. The lies start with his avatar.

YOU WOULD BE INNCORECT HE'S ASENIAL WACKO LEFT WINGER.

Huh! No wonder he sounds reasonable and rational.

 

[DiveCon]

Rep. Zach Wamp (R-TN), who is running in a heated three-way Republican primary for governor of Tennessee, has a dire warning about the new health care reform law: If a new Congress and president aren't elected in order to repeal the bill, states might just have to secede.

"I hope that the American people will go to the ballot box in 2010 and 2012 so that states are not forced to consider separation from this government," said Wamp, who has also promised to refuse to implement the law at the state level if he is elected, in an interview with the Hotline.

GOP Rep. And TN-GOV Candidate Wamp: States Might Have To 'Consider Separation From This Government' | TPMDC

and it looks like he is trailing in the GOP proimary
so no worries there

Election 2010: Tennessee Governor - Rasmussen Reports

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I'm a newbie here, and I think I've just found my first reasonable, rational Rightwinger.

His name is a misnomer.

Furthermore, what he said is far from reasonable. That you agree with his sentiment clearly proves that you lack reason as well.

I'll remember these words when your "side" loses in the next few elections. The other side will have their own fundamental plan of ruining this country, and you'll be forced to live with it.

Good luck with that. My Anointed Messiah, Barack Hussein Obama, has assured me, through night visions, of a Permanent Majority!

If he assured you that should give you an idea he lied. because he has yet to tell the truth.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I'm a newbie here, and I think I've just found my first reasonable, rational Rightwinger.

No, you haven't. You've found a progressive liar. The lies start with his avatar.

I'm a newbie here, and I think I've just found my first reasonable, rational Rightwinger.

YOU WOULD BE INNCORECT HE'S ASENIAL WACKO LEFT WINGER.

Huh! No wonder he sounds reasonable and rational.

You and leftwinger are two peas in a pod. Both of you are empty shells. Run of the mill blank shooters.

 

[DiveCon]

His name is a misnomer.

Furthermore, what he said is far from reasonable. That you agree with his sentiment clearly proves that you lack reason as well.

I'll remember these words when your "side" loses in the next few elections. The other side will have their own fundamental plan of ruining this country, and you'll be forced to live with it.

Good luck with that. My Anointed Messiah, Barack Hussein Obama, has assured me, through night visions, of a Permanent Majority!

If he assured you that should give you an idea he lied. because he has yet to tell the truth.

i think you missed the SARCASM in his post on that one

 

[rightwinger]

Operate more effectiely as 50 separate states? Are you batshit crazy? Do you know how much duplication of services there would be? 50 monetary systems, 50 Armies, Interstate squabbling

You would send us back to the stone age with feifdoms

I think your concern is that most of the money you want to tax would not join in your union, so you'd have no money to support your social systems.

Who says each state has to have its own currency? The European Union issued a single currency for several different countries, and it seems to work well for them. Also, the idea that each state is its own government is not exactly where I was going: more like each region of the country as a separate government.

Not at all

Most of the red states whining about secession receive more money in federal aid then they pay in taxes.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Good luck with that. My Anointed Messiah, Barack Hussein Obama, has assured me, through night visions, of a Permanent Majority!

If he assured you that should give you an idea he lied. because he has yet to tell the truth.

i think you missed the SARCASM in his post on that one

Nawh I didn't miss it, I love hitting obama any chance I get. That was my chance.

 

[rightwinger]

That is why our Constitution has elections. If your side loses, you are not forced to do anything. "We the People" have just decided on a different direction for the country

I'm a newbie here, and I think I've just found my first reasonable, rational Rightwinger.

His name is a misnomer.

Furthermore, what he said is far from reasonable. That you agree with his sentiment clearly proves that you lack reason as well.

I'll remember these words when your "side" loses in the next few elections. The other side will have their own fundamental plan of ruining this country, and you'll be forced to live with it.

You don't find our Constitutional system of government to be reasonable? If the other side is ruining our country we have elections to fix that.

That is how we got rid of the Republicans

 

[AllieBaba]

Operate more effectiely as 50 separate states? Are you batshit crazy? Do you know how much duplication of services there would be? 50 monetary systems, 50 Armies, Interstate squabbling

You would send us back to the stone age with feifdoms

I think your concern is that most of the money you want to tax would not join in your union, so you'd have no money to support your social systems.

Who says each state has to have its own currency? The European Union issued a single currency for several different countries, and it seems to work well for them. Also, the idea that each state is its own government is not exactly where I was going: more like each region of the country as a separate government.

Not at all

Most of the red states whining about secession receive more money in federal aid then they pay in taxes.

They receive federal aid as compensation for industry and income that the federal government took from them.

Dipshit.