The wars of Islam belong to the past

[ninja007]

I am Muslim, and I speak from the traditional Islamic perspective.

God Almighty ordered Muhammad (peace be upon him and his family) to wage war in the name of Allah Almighty (God Almighty). God wished to raise His name throughout the land, as He is the King and humans are His servants. Know also that many prophets before waged war in the name of God, including David.

The first battle of Islam and its first victory was that of Badr. 313 Muslims were face to face with 1000 unbelievers. The fight started at dawn and the Muslims achieved absolute victory before noon.That day, the 17 Ramadan 2 AH (in 624) as the Muslim advanced, they walked over dead bodies. God helped Muhammad with thousands of Angels. This is the victory of Islam up to this day, in 2014.

This heavenly order to fight kept coming centuries after centuries, as the Muslim Kingdom was united and kept expanding. It made sense to wage war in the name of God. But ultimately, God does not wish to wage war upon His own creatures. That is why heavenly orders asked that the wars of Islam be put to an end, some time in the 19th century, or even before. Today, it is absolutely forbidden to fight in the name of Allah Almighty (God Almighty). Whoso claims otherwise is lying.

I empathize with YOUR position...now tell the radicals among you or they will die...and unfortunately you may well die with them since there is no way yet to tell you apart.

the ones doing the killing are not the radicals. They are doing exactly what they are commanded to.

 

[Dajjal]

Islam is a religion of mercy. It teaches people the means to obtain the mercy of God and that of His blessed prophet (peace be upon him and his family) and the mercy of the blessed saints of Islam. Among the saints of Islam that have been liked in the Western world are Ibn Arabi and Rumi.

Today, it is absolutely forbidden to fight in Islam, in the name of Islam.

You had better get over to Syria and Iraq and tell all the ISIS fighters that they are mistaken in what they are doing. Which includes killing people and taking women and pre pubescent girls as sex slaves. Because if people like you don't tell them it is only a matter of time before we will have to send back troops to stop them. We cannot let them keep spreading across the middle east, and we cannot stop them with air strikes, so there will come a time when we will have to confront them on the ground. Because if they are not defeated they will spread and threaten oil supplies, and they may obtain weapons of mass destruction to threaten the west.

We are already at war, and it is only going to get worse, and you cannot bury your head in the sand, so pick your side.

 

[Avatar4321]

That makes about as much sense as a screen door on a submarine.

are we supposed to just ignore the caliphate and all the wars Muslims have wages in the past 100 years?

and who exactly issues the command to cease warfare if Mohammad was the last prophet who died almost a millenium and a half ago? Who is Gods prophet today?

 

[Avatar4321]

Islam is a religion of mercy. It teaches people the means to obtain the mercy of God and that of His blessed prophet (peace be upon him and his family) and the mercy of the blessed saints of Islam. Among the saints of Islam that have been liked in the Western world are Ibn Arabi and Rumi.

Today, it is absolutely forbidden to fight in Islam, in the name of Islam.

by who? Because clearly Muhammad did not forbid it

 

[AVG-JOE]

The wars of Islam belong to the past

No shit Sherlock.

Now, if you had said

The wars of Islam belong IN the past

My reaction would have been

_________________________

Are we ready Mr. Muslim75? Are we ready to stop killing each other over the speculative answers to unprovable questions?

I hope we're ready...

Baby steps to The Stars! ​

 

[AVG-JOE]

That makes about as much sense as a screen door on a submarine.

are we supposed to just ignore the caliphate and all the wars Muslims have wages in the past 100 years?

and who exactly issues the command to cease warfare if Mohammad was the last prophet who died almost a millenium and a half ago? Who is Gods prophet today?

Now that I see it on paper, that's EXACTLY what we should do. Ass-u-me-ing 'we' includes The United States Marines.

We need to prosecute violence relentlessly, regardless of religion and regardless of history.

 

[AVG-JOE]

Islam is a religion of mercy. It teaches people the means to obtain the mercy of God and that of His blessed prophet (peace be upon him and his family) and the mercy of the blessed saints of Islam. Among the saints of Islam that have been liked in the Western world are Ibn Arabi and Rumi.

Today, it is absolutely forbidden to fight in Islam, in the name of Islam.

Islam is a tool. In the hands of peaceful men it is a peaceful tool. In the hands of violent men it is destructive.

Time to Man up and own it, Monkeys. Going forward, history is all on us.

 

[AmericanFirst]

I am Muslim, and I speak from the traditional Islamic perspective.

God Almighty ordered Muhammad (peace be upon him and his family) to wage war in the name of Allah Almighty (God Almighty). God wished to raise His name throughout the land, as He is the King and humans are His servants. Know also that many prophets before waged war in the name of God, including David.

The first battle of Islam and its first victory was that of Badr. 313 Muslims were face to face with 1000 unbelievers. The fight started at dawn and the Muslims achieved absolute victory before noon.That day, the 17 Ramadan 2 AH (in 624) as the Muslim advanced, they walked over dead bodies. God helped Muhammad with thousands of Angels. This is the victory of Islam up to this day, in 2014.

This heavenly order to fight kept coming centuries after centuries, as the Muslim Kingdom was united and kept expanding. It made sense to wage war in the name of God. But ultimately, God does not wish to wage war upon His own creatures. That is why heavenly orders asked that the wars of Islam be put to an end, some time in the 19th century, or even before. Today, it is absolutely forbidden to fight in the name of Allah Almighty (God Almighty). Whoso claims otherwise is lying.

Lying again are you satan worshiper?

 

[AmericanFirst]

Dajjal,

Part of a Muslim's worship is to seek Islamic knowledge (Ilm). It is not done through direct reading of the Qur'an and the Hadiths. There are many different fields of Islamic knowledge. In fact, it is forbidden to read the Qur'an and the Hadiths and to understand them as you read them. You must refer to the saints of Islam for their meanings.

The Quran is satans word lied to by mooohamut.

 

[Lipush]

Islam is a religion of mercy.

F'course it is

 

[September]

The only Muslim in this topic sure seemed a lot less hateful than the Christians and the Atheists.​

 

[Avatar4321]

How is challenging his viewpoint hateful?

 

[AmericanFirst]

The only Muslim in this topic sure seemed a lot less hateful than the Christians and the Atheists.​

Even though he is wrong

 

[Muslim75]

Because if people like you don't tell them it is only a matter of time before we will have to send back troops to stop them.

Muslims don't have to tell extremists that they are wrong everytime they kill people. As you would expect, Islam is very true and very pure. As you would expect, Muhammad (peace be upon him and his family) taught; and he also explicitly said that:

-a human being must love for his fellow human being what he loves for himself

-the blood of a human being is sacred.

Someone will not kill innocents only so that other Muslims come and tell them, you are wrong. That can never be.

That makes about as much sense as a screen door on a submarine.

are we supposed to just ignore the caliphate and all the wars Muslims have wages in the past 100 years?

There is no such thing as the Caliphate. There is a group of people who call themselves the Caliphate, or the Islamic State.

There was a Caliphate, a Muslim Kingdom, from the 7th century to the 20th century, in the line of the legacy of Muhammad (peace be upon him and his family). Muhammad was holy and heavenly, as everyone knows. So if anything, you Avatar4321 ought to convince the Islamic State of that.

and who exactly issues the command to cease warfare if Mohammad was the last prophet who died almost a millenium and a half ago? Who is Gods prophet today?

Does it not make common sense that the wars of Islam belong to the past ? If not, you are not so different than the people of Al Qaeda, because it is clearly not common sense to them.

Muslims don't believe Muhammad to be a prophet who lived and died (peace be upon him and his family). Christians don't believe that Jesus, or David, or Abraham lived and died. Jews don't believe don't Moses and Aaron lived and died. People who believe in God believe that there is life after death. It does not stop after one passes away from this world. So to put it simply, Muhammad issued the order to stop fighting for God and for Islam. When ? It may have been in the beginning of the 20th century, or a little earlier.

by who? Because clearly Muhammad did not forbid it

See what I just said above.

We need to prosecute violence relentlessly, regardless of religion and regardless of history.

That's a noble ideal. It's not just the United States. The Governments in the Muslim and Arab countries are working very hard to cut down on extremism and extremists, and the law in these countries hold accountable those who tend toward, promulgate or orchestrate Islamic radicalism. It's a fellony in those countries, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Turkey, the Arab Petro-monarchies, North and West Africa, Nigeria, and even Syria where Mr Assad is presently slaughtering his own people.

So apprehend and realise the exact nature of the war America is set upon.

Islam is a tool. In the hands of peaceful men it is a peaceful tool. In the hands of violent men it is destructive.

Islam is a religion. A religion is a means to re-building the relationship between a human being and his Creator. Since there is only none Creator, only one religion is ultimately true. As such all other religions are false and blameworthy.

Islam re-builds the relationship between a human being and his Creator. The relationship with his Lord that the human being lost when he came to this world, Islam re-builds it. We belong to the Lord, and to Him we return. We return to the Lord, and re-build our relationship with Him, in this life; not only when death comes. Christianity, or any other religion for that matter does not fulfill that purpose.

 

[Dajjal]

Muslim75 said "So to put it simply, Muhammad issued the order to stop fighting for God and for Islam. When ? It may have been in the beginning of the 20th century, or a little earlier"

So you are telling us Muhammad spoke to someone in the beginning of the 20th century. Do give some more details of this unlikely event, and provide your source..

 

[AmericanFirst]

Because if people like you don't tell them it is only a matter of time before we will have to send back troops to stop them.

Muslims don't have to tell extremists that they are wrong everytime they kill people. As you would expect, Islam is very true and very pure. As you would expect, Muhammad (peace be upon him and his family) taught; and he also explicitly said that:

-a human being must love for his fellow human being what he loves for himself

-the blood of a human being is sacred.

Someone will not kill innocents only so that other Muslims come and tell them, you are wrong. That can never be.

That makes about as much sense as a screen door on a submarine.

are we supposed to just ignore the caliphate and all the wars Muslims have wages in the past 100 years?

There is no such thing as the Caliphate. There is a group of people who call themselves the Caliphate, or the Islamic State.

There was a Caliphate, a Muslim Kingdom, from the 7th century to the 20th century, in the line of the legacy of Muhammad (peace be upon him and his family). Muhammad was holy and heavenly, as everyone knows. So if anything, you Avatar4321 ought to convince the Islamic State of that.

and who exactly issues the command to cease warfare if Mohammad was the last prophet who died almost a millenium and a half ago? Who is Gods prophet today?

Does it not make common sense that the wars of Islam belong to the past ? If not, you are not so different than the people of Al Qaeda, because it is clearly not common sense to them.

Muslims don't believe Muhammad to be a prophet who lived and died (peace be upon him and his family). Christians don't believe that Jesus, or David, or Abraham lived and died. Jews don't believe don't Moses and Aaron lived and died. People who believe in God believe that there is life after death. It does not stop after one passes away from this world. So to put it simply, Muhammad issued the order to stop fighting for God and for Islam. When ? It may have been in the beginning of the 20th century, or a little earlier.

by who? Because clearly Muhammad did not forbid it

See what I just said above.

We need to prosecute violence relentlessly, regardless of religion and regardless of history.

That's a noble ideal. It's not just the United States. The Governments in the Muslim and Arab countries are working very hard to cut down on extremism and extremists, and the law in these countries hold accountable those who tend toward, promulgate or orchestrate Islamic radicalism. It's a fellony in those countries, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Turkey, the Arab Petro-monarchies, North and West Africa, Nigeria, and even Syria where Mr Assad is presently slaughtering his own people.

So apprehend and realise the exact nature of the war America is set upon.

Islam is a tool. In the hands of peaceful men it is a peaceful tool. In the hands of violent men it is destructive.

Islam is a religion. A religion is a means to re-building the relationship between a human being and his Creator. Since there is only none Creator, only one religion is ultimately true. As such all other religions are false and blameworthy.

Islam re-builds the relationship between a human being and his Creator. The relationship with his Lord that the human being lost when he came to this world, Islam re-builds it. We belong to the Lord, and to Him we return. We return to the Lord, and re-build our relationship with Him, in this life; not only when death comes. Christianity, or any other religion for that matter does not fulfill that purpose.

You as moooohamut was are a liar.

 

[Avatar4321]

So Mohammad came back from the dead at the beginning of the 20th century and told Muslims to stop waging war?

I must have missed that news report

 

[Muslim75]

Muslim75 said "So to put it simply, Muhammad issued the order to stop fighting for God and for Islam. When ? It may have been in the beginning of the 20th century, or a little earlier"

So you are telling us Muhammad spoke to someone in the beginning of the 20th century. Do give some more details of this unlikely event, and provide your source..

So Mohammad came back from the dead at the beginning of the 20th century and told Muslims to stop waging war?

I must have missed that news report

I speak from the traditional knowledge in Islam.

There have been 124 000 prophets, peace be upon them all. The first was Adam (peace be upon him), the last was Muhammad (peace be upon him and his family). Muhammad is the Seal of the prophets, the last of them and the best of them. Muhammad was born in 570 and died in 632.

Because Muhammad was the last prophet, the Seal of the prophets, God supported him with saints. These saints of Islam came at each century, from the 7th century (after Muhammad and his Companions) to today in the 21st century. There are 124 000 saints of Islam. These saints are in contact with God and with His prophet Muhammad. Muslims are forbidden to take up the religion on their own, they must seek these saints and take the religion from them. These saints are the ones who know the meanings of the Qur'an and the Hadiths (the sayings of Muhammad). It is forbidden to read the Qur'an and the Hadiths and to have one own's understanding of it. People are under the obligation to refer to the saints of Islam for the interpretation of the Qur'an and the Hadiths.

In the desert Hasan Basri (7th-8th century) prayed, and the water rose in the well.
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Malik Deenar (8th century) would never sleep at night out of love for God.
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Ibrahim Adham (8th century) was a king. He awoke one day and found over his transparent roof a man trying to find his lost camel. That man told him he had more chance to find his camel, than for him to find God in the midst of this luxurious lifestyle.
Ibrahim ibn Adham - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Abu Yazid Al Bistami (9th century) took a saintly friend of his to a place in his home, opened a door, an ocean appeared in front of them, and he invited his friend to enter the sea with him.
Bayazid Bastami - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Abu Hanifa (9th century) visited the tomb of Muhammad. He greeted Muhammad, and a voice came out of the tomb: "peace to you, O Imam of the Muslims."
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Sahl At Tustari (9th century) would pray all night until dawn without feeling any need to sleep.
Sahl al-Tustari - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Abu Hamid Al Ghazali (11th century) is nicknamed the proof of Islam.
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To show a person that one must train himself, trained disciples of Abdul Qadir Jilani (12th century) ate chickens while bones would vanish, so that they ate all the chickens, with the bones.
Abdul-Qadir Gilani - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Muhyiddin Ibn Arabi (12th century) was an Arab Muslim from Spain (Andalusia). Today, he is a recognized figure in the West.
Ibn Arabi - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Jalal Al Din Rumi (13th century) wrote the Masnavi and is probably to greatest mystic poet of all times.
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Mulay Al Arabi Al Darqawi (18th century) is one of the famous saints of North African Morocco.
Muhammad al-Arabi al-Darqawi - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Khalid Al Baghdadi (18th-19th century) would enter homes, and soon enough prosperity would take place in every home he entered.
Kh lid-i Baghd d - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

When a religious conflict in India between Muslims and Hindus occurred in the 20th century, the solution, it was decided, was to create two different countries. Pakistan broke away from India and became it's own Islamic state. Many Hindus were left in Pakistan, not wanting to leave their homeland. Muslims promised they would be well protected and treated humanely.

Quickly after Pakistan became a nation, that treaty was broken. Hindus were slaughtered by the thousands, their corpses loaded onto rail cars, and a train of death sent back to India.

This is the "Religion of Peace". This is Islamic "tolerance". What a cursed, evil, demonic religion!

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

So Mohammad came back from the dead at the beginning of the 20th century and told Muslims to stop waging war?

I must have missed that news report

If he could come back at all, his dire warning would be, "Stop killing. Convert to Christianity. Don't suffer the eternal fate that I incurred!"