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If you are suggesting that my 20 year marriage is unnecessary and invalid because we don't have children I take offense and would yell you go straight to hell.
The happiest married couples I know don't have children.
I grew up in the 60s and most families had four to six kids, mom stayed at home and dad supported the family on one income. Divorce was rare
What happened?
Birth Control: Family planning became the norm and women did not get pregnant every other year
Women started to work: More good paying career fields opened up to women. They no longer had to stay in unhappy marriages for financial reasons
Divorce lost its stigma: You were no longer a marked woman if you divorced
The standard of living declined: Dad could no longer support a family on a blue collar income. It went from mom can work if she wants, to mom HAS to work.
You just nailed it.
that is more a result of people wanting more than just what they need.
Years ago, it was about necessities.
One income can afford necessities. The second income is required so they can afford wants.
If you are suggesting that my 20 year marriage is unnecessary and invalid because we don't have children I take offense and would yell you go straight to hell.
The happiest married couples I know don't have children.
You must not know me or my wife. We had a great marriage before children and now with children it's even better.
Like someone said above, marriage is what you make it. I can choose to go home tonight and be in a miserable mood for whatever reason or I can appreciate what I have.
You just nailed it.
that is more a result of people wanting more than just what they need.
Years ago, it was about necessities.
One income can afford necessities. The second income is required so they can afford wants.
To a certain extent yes. Couples do want more expensive vacations, cars, toys
But at the core, you can no longer raise a family on a blue collar income. My dad had a HS education and went to work for the phone company right out of school. He raised four kids, union provided health insurance, bought a house, two cars, sent four kids to college all without extra debt or my mom working
Can't do that today
You just nailed it.
that is more a result of people wanting more than just what they need.
Years ago, it was about necessities.
One income can afford necessities. The second income is required so they can afford wants.
To a certain extent yes. Couples do want more expensive vacations, cars, toys
But at the core, you can no longer raise a family on a blue collar income. My dad had a HS education and went to work for the phone company right out of school. He raised four kids, union provided health insurance, bought a house, two cars, sent four kids to college all without extra debt or my mom working
Can't do that today
My wife of nearly 3 decades and I have 2 children and we have a reputation of being the happiest married couple in our town.
Happiness encompasses ALL aspects of life...and if you handle life with optimism, there will be the perfect balance .
Thats the difference though, you guys are from a more mature generation, not this Jersey Shore lets fuck everything that moves generation that I am putting up with now.
I had to put up with the hippie generation; the cold war; and many other societal distractions.....do not allow your generation distractions to be your crutch...we all had them. You can find happiness within....and the key is to find a spouse or partner who is on the same page.
that is more a result of people wanting more than just what they need.
Years ago, it was about necessities.
One income can afford necessities. The second income is required so they can afford wants.
To a certain extent yes. Couples do want more expensive vacations, cars, toys
But at the core, you can no longer raise a family on a blue collar income. My dad had a HS education and went to work for the phone company right out of school. He raised four kids, union provided health insurance, bought a house, two cars, sent four kids to college all without extra debt or my mom working
Can't do that today
Yup.
The time of getting out of high school and having a good paying job that you work until you die, is over.
that is more a result of people wanting more than just what they need.
Years ago, it was about necessities.
One income can afford necessities. The second income is required so they can afford wants.
To a certain extent yes. Couples do want more expensive vacations, cars, toys
But at the core, you can no longer raise a family on a blue collar income. My dad had a HS education and went to work for the phone company right out of school. He raised four kids, union provided health insurance, bought a house, two cars, sent four kids to college all without extra debt or my mom working
Can't do that today
You can if you pass on the smart phones and the smart TVs.
My parents didn't get their first color TV till I went into the military.
You just nailed it.
that is more a result of people wanting more than just what they need.
Years ago, it was about necessities.
One income can afford necessities. The second income is required so they can afford wants.
To a certain extent yes. Couples do want more expensive vacations, cars, toys
But at the core, you can no longer raise a family on a blue collar income. My dad had a HS education and went to work for the phone company right out of school. He raised four kids, union provided health insurance, bought a house, two cars, sent four kids to college all without extra debt or my mom working
Can't do that today
that is more a result of people wanting more than just what they need.
Years ago, it was about necessities.
One income can afford necessities. The second income is required so they can afford wants.
To a certain extent yes. Couples do want more expensive vacations, cars, toys
But at the core, you can no longer raise a family on a blue collar income. My dad had a HS education and went to work for the phone company right out of school. He raised four kids, union provided health insurance, bought a house, two cars, sent four kids to college all without extra debt or my mom working
Can't do that today
Most in my family have had less children because they cannot afford a college education for each child.
that is more a result of people wanting more than just what they need.
Years ago, it was about necessities.
One income can afford necessities. The second income is required so they can afford wants.
To a certain extent yes. Couples do want more expensive vacations, cars, toys
But at the core, you can no longer raise a family on a blue collar income. My dad had a HS education and went to work for the phone company right out of school. He raised four kids, union provided health insurance, bought a house, two cars, sent four kids to college all without extra debt or my mom working
Can't do that today
Yup.
The time of getting out of high school and having a good paying job that you work until you die, is over.
To a certain extent yes. Couples do want more expensive vacations, cars, toys
But at the core, you can no longer raise a family on a blue collar income. My dad had a HS education and went to work for the phone company right out of school. He raised four kids, union provided health insurance, bought a house, two cars, sent four kids to college all without extra debt or my mom working
Can't do that today
Most in my family have had less children because they cannot afford a college education for each child.
Or daycare
Doctors bills
Braces
School trips
There was a time where you could have 10 kids, and afford it. Now people recognize that another mouth to feed takes away from the children you already have. I'd rather give 3 children the best, than give 17 kids crumbs.
If you want to bring down a society the quickest way is to attack the most important element of that society. Marriage.
I know this is old fashioned to think this way but that's my point. Marriage isn't what it used to be. It even has become an object of scorn by the left.
"Having to get married before getting pregnant? Are you kidding me???"
I used to think that white middle-class 50-60 year old males were the most hated group in America, but really the one group that is the focus of the most bigotry is the family unit. It's just not cool to be married. Marriage holds women back. In some people's minds it is the same as slavery.
It's easy for some to be married and still be highly critical of it. Being married is a pain in the butt. I think the best way to punish someone is to force them to marry someone they don't want to or to be forced into marriage because of a pregnancy. Gays want to be able to marry but the Gay activists show a palatable disdain for straight couples. The tables have been turned in our society to the point where if you say you're married and support the institution you're an outcast. What is normal has been redefined.
Having children out of wedlock is the quickest road to poverty. Kids are expensive and having only one income just isn't enough to make ends meet. It almost assures that you will become dependent one way or another on governmental assistance. So in effect government stands in the way of the family being a successful enterprise. For decades single mothers have been encouraged to stay single with cash handouts from Uncle Sugar.
Pictured above is a large family. Many find fault in this. Many assumptions can be made of the family pictured. 50 years ago this was normal in America. Now having one or two kids is the norm, at least among whites. Having children isn't the reason one gets married anymore. You don't need to make the commitment. Funny thing is there are reasons the old ways worked better. Pooling resources is the best way to get ahead or at least keep your head above water.
To a certain extent yes. Couples do want more expensive vacations, cars, toys
But at the core, you can no longer raise a family on a blue collar income. My dad had a HS education and went to work for the phone company right out of school. He raised four kids, union provided health insurance, bought a house, two cars, sent four kids to college all without extra debt or my mom working
Can't do that today
You can if you pass on the smart phones and the smart TVs.
My parents didn't get their first color TV till I went into the military.
You think passing up a cellphone and a HDTV is going to pay for your kids college?
We didn't get our first color TV till 1972. It was a 19 in Zenith portable. It cost over $400 which was over a weeks pay for my dad. Now you can get a 42 inch LCD for less than that.
Forgoing a TV is not going to do much towards buying a house or paying medical bills
The War On Marriage
If you want to bring down a society the quickest way is to attack the most important element of that society. Marriage.
To a certain extent yes. Couples do want more expensive vacations, cars, toys
But at the core, you can no longer raise a family on a blue collar income. My dad had a HS education and went to work for the phone company right out of school. He raised four kids, union provided health insurance, bought a house, two cars, sent four kids to college all without extra debt or my mom working
Can't do that today
Most in my family have had less children because they cannot afford a college education for each child.
Or daycare
Doctors bills
Braces
School trips
There was a time where you could have 10 kids, and afford it. Now people recognize that another mouth to feed takes away from the children you already have. I'd rather give 3 children the best, than give 17 kids crumbs.
Acceptance of non-traditional families doesn't equal sneering at traditional families.Most in my family have had less children because they cannot afford a college education for each child.
Or daycare
Doctors bills
Braces
School trips
There was a time where you could have 10 kids, and afford it. Now people recognize that another mouth to feed takes away from the children you already have. I'd rather give 3 children the best, than give 17 kids crumbs.
I don't even think it's just the size but the composition of the family that is being sneered at.
I've tuned into NBC, CBS, and ABC and seen ads for shows featuring Gay couples or two single guys swapping spit.
This, is supposedly the new norm.
To a certain extent yes. Couples do want more expensive vacations, cars, toys
But at the core, you can no longer raise a family on a blue collar income. My dad had a HS education and went to work for the phone company right out of school. He raised four kids, union provided health insurance, bought a house, two cars, sent four kids to college all without extra debt or my mom working
Can't do that today
Yup.
The time of getting out of high school and having a good paying job that you work until you die, is over.
The only way you might be able to pull something like that off is if you join the Military, thats about it though.
Acceptance of non-traditional families doesn't equal sneering at traditional families.Or daycare
Doctors bills
Braces
School trips
There was a time where you could have 10 kids, and afford it. Now people recognize that another mouth to feed takes away from the children you already have. I'd rather give 3 children the best, than give 17 kids crumbs.
I don't even think it's just the size but the composition of the family that is being sneered at.
I've tuned into NBC, CBS, and ABC and seen ads for shows featuring Gay couples or two single guys swapping spit.
This, is supposedly the new norm.
I'm sorry if you're upset that America is leaning left when it comes to homosexuality, but its not anything you have the ability to change. If you don't like it, I'd suggest you turn the TV off.
