The truth about CO2 and climate change

[orogenicman]

The thing about the Null Hypothesis is that EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE trumps all the models in the world.
Given Natural variation there is no warming to attribute to CO2..

it was never about man made global warming or climate change, it was about governmental control over how people live. The liberal mind cannot tolerate freedom.

The government controls many aspects of your life, whether or not you want it to. You are not allowed to murder. You are not allowed to steal. You are not allowed to do a lot of things. Freedom is not a free pass to negatively impact the lives of others.

should each of us be able to decide what kind of light bulbs to use and how much water comes out of our shower head?

murder and stealing are moral issues, light bulbs and shower heads are control issues.

Last time I was at Lowes, there were at least 100 different or more types of light bulbs. Seems to me there are plenty from which to choose.

So you don't mind legislating morality as long as it doesn't involve taking away your "right" to waste profuse amounts of energy on inefficient product. Got it.

to avoid being killed by toxic mercury, yeah!!!!

Did you support the EPA when it decreased the allowable level of mercury in our waters? Do you support the EPA - at all?

 

[orogenicman]

The government controls many aspects of your life, whether or not you want it to. You are not allowed to murder. You are not allowed to steal. You are not allowed to do a lot of things. Freedom is not a free pass to negatively impact the lives of others.

Federal government or local and state?

Yes. You didn't know this? Huh.

I wondered if you did. My issue is not with local or state interference, it is the federal that I have problems with.

So to be clear, you are anti-U.S.

So to be clear, I am against federal government involvement in my day to day life, yes!!!!!!!

You must live a miserable existence if this is what you worry about each and every day. You do realize that National fire safety standards is a federal government intrusion into your life, right? you realize that OSHA standards are intruding on your life each and every day, right? Along with stardards that require safe underground storage tanks at your local gas station, right? As well, as protecting you from foreign invaders - every day. But to be clear, you are an ungrateful, anti-American. Got it.

 

[Old Rocks]

Now JC, you flap-yap without ever showing your sources of information. There are many, many sources for information concerning the water shortages in the US.





All Around The US, Risks Of A Water Crisis Are Much Bigger Than People Realize

• GRACE WYLER
  

• MAY 22, 2013, 3:58 PM

With about half of the country still suffering from extreme drought, farmers and businesses in the Western United States are looking at another hot, dry summer.

And the country's water risk is a lot worse than most assessments suggest, according to a recent study from the Columbia University Water Center.

Taking into account past patterns of drought and water use, the Columbia study reveals that several major metro areas, including New York City, Washington, D.C., and Los Angeles, are at high risk for water scarcity, along with the Great Plains agricultural belt extending from North and South Dakota down to North Texas.

Read more: America s Water Problem Is Way Worse Than Everybody Thinks - Business Insider

Now why don't you post how that is not a problem?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Now JC, you flap-yap without ever showing your sources of information. There are many, many sources for information concerning the water shortages in the US.





All Around The US, Risks Of A Water Crisis Are Much Bigger Than People Realize

• GRACE WYLER

• MAY 22, 2013, 3:58 PM

With about half of the country still suffering from extreme drought, farmers and businesses in the Western United States are looking at another hot, dry summer.

And the country's water risk is a lot worse than most assessments suggest, according to a recent study from the Columbia University Water Center.

Taking into account past patterns of drought and water use, the Columbia study reveals that several major metro areas, including New York City, Washington, D.C., and Los Angeles, are at high risk for water scarcity, along with the Great Plains agricultural belt extending from North and South Dakota down to North Texas.

Read more: America s Water Problem Is Way Worse Than Everybody Thinks - Business Insider

Now why don't you post how that is not a problem?

How moronic!

 

[PredFan]

Scientists who debunk AGW aren't real scientists.
It was Global Warming, until there wasn't any, then it was Climate Change, but that isn't fooling anyone, so they changed it to Climate Disruption, but no one is using that so it's back to Climate Change again.
The answer to Global Warming is socialism.
Climate is climate unless it disagrees, then it's weather.
The AGW faithful are allowed to cherry pick, but the deniers are not.
If there's flooding, it's climate change.
If there is drought, it's climate change.
If it's cold, it's climate change.
If it's warm, it's climate change.
If there is snow, it's climate change.
No snow? It's climate change.
If there are lots of storms, it's climate change.
If there are no storms, it's climate change.
Wildfires, it's climate change.
Mudslides, it's climate change.
Rising rivers, it's climate change.
Rivers drying up, it's climate change.
Earthquakes, it's climate change.
Volcanos, it's climate change.
Stub your toe, it's climate change.
Girlfriend leaves you, it's climate change.

 

[Redfish]

Ah yes, when we all use just as much electricity as we want, and the brownouts start, then the grid goes down, we are all free to have no electricity. Except for those folks who were smart enough to ignore idiots like you and put in their own solar or wind. And when we all use as much water as we want, and the resevoir goes dry, then we are all free to do without water. You are a fucked up moron, Redfish. There are already several states with cities that are very low on water.

they are not low because some people are using "more than their fair share" of water, they are low because there are too many people.

If you want to take on a real problem, why not take on over population?

conservation is great, conservation is a derivative of conservative. Government mandated conservation is taking away freedom.

 

[orogenicman]

Scientists who debunk AGW aren't real scientists.
It was Global Warming, until there wasn't any, then it was Climate Change, but that isn't fooling anyone, so they changed it to Climate Disruption, but no one is using that so it's back to Climate Change again.
The answer to Global Warming is socialism.
Climate is climate unless it disagrees, then it's weather.
The AGW faithful are allowed to cherry pick, but the deniers are not.
If there's flooding, it's climate change.
If there is drought, it's climate change.
If it's cold, it's climate change.
If it's warm, it's climate change.
If there is snow, it's climate change.
No snow? It's climate change.
If there are lots of storms, it's climate change.
If there are no storms, it's climate change.
Wildfires, it's climate change.
Mudslides, it's climate change.
Rising rivers, it's climate change.
Rivers drying up, it's climate change.
Earthquakes, it's climate change.
Volcanos, it's climate change.
Stub your toe, it's climate change.
Girlfriend leaves you, it's climate change.

Sig Heil!

 

[Redfish]

Contributions to accelerating atmospheric CO2 growth from economic activity, carbon intensity, and efficiency of natural sinks

1. Josep G. Canadell a , b ,
2. Corinne Le Quéré c , d ,
3. Michael R. Raupach a ,
4. Christopher B. Field e ,
5. Erik T. Buitenhuis c ,
6. Philippe Ciais f ,
7. Thomas J. Conway g ,
8. Nathan P. Gillett c ,
9. R. A. Houghton h , and
10. Gregg Marland i , j

Author Affiliations

1. Edited by William C. Clark, Harvard University, Cambridge, MA, and approved September 17, 2007 (received for review March 27, 2007)

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Abstract
The growth rate of atmospheric carbon dioxide (CO2), the largest human contributor to human-induced climate change, is increasing rapidly. Three processes contribute to this rapid increase. Two of these processes concern emissions. Recent growth of the world economy combined with an increase in its carbon intensity have led to rapid growth in fossil fuel CO2 emissions since 2000: comparing the 1990s with 2000–2006, the emissions growth rate increased from 1.3% to 3.3% y −1. The third process is indicated by increasing evidence (P = 0.89) for a long-term (50-year) increase in the airborne fraction (AF) of CO2emissions, implying a decline in the efficiency of CO2 sinks on land and oceans in absorbing anthropogenic emissions. Since 2000, the contributions of these three factors to the increase in the atmospheric CO2growth rate have been ≈65 ± 16% from increasing global economic activity, 17 ± 6% from the increasing carbon intensity of the global economy, and 18 ± 15% from the increase in AF. An increasing AF is consistent with results of climate–carbon cycle models, but the magnitude of the observed signal appears larger than that estimated by models. All of these changes characterize a carbon cycle that is generating stronger-than-expected and sooner-than-expected climate forcing.

Real scientists research, not flap-yap pulled out of your asshole, Billy Boob.

Long-term observations of atmospheric CO2 and carbon isotopes at continental sites in Germany - LEVIN - 2002 - Tellus B - Wiley Online Library

Long-term observations of atmospheric CO2 and carbon isotopes at continental sites in Germany

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   • INGEBORG LEVIN†,
   • ROLF. GRAUL and
   • 1 NEIL B. A. TRIVETT 2

Abstract
A network for regional atmospheric CO2 observations had already been established in Germany by 1972, consisting of 5 stations with basically different characteristics: Westerland, a coastal station at the North Sea, 2 regional stations, Waldhof and Deuselbach, as well as 2 mountain stations, Brotjacklriegel at the eastern boarder of Germany and Schauinsland in the Black Forest. In addition to CO2concentration observations, from 1977 onwards quasi-continuous 13CO2 and 14CO2 measurements were performed on samples from the Schauinsland site, and for the short period 1985-1988, 14CO2 measurements were also made on Westerland samples. CO2 data selection based on wind velocity allows for an estimate of the representative continental CO2 level over Europe. The peak-to-peak amplitude of the seasonal cycles is between 12.1 ppmv (Schauinsland) and 17.6 ppmv (Waldhof). The phase of the seasonal cycles at the German sites is shifted if compared to maritime background sites with the concentration maxima occuring already between beginning of February and beginning of April, the minima in August. The long-term mean CO2 increase rate in the last 20 years at Westerland and Schauinsland is 1.49 and 1.48 ppmv yr−1, respectively. The mean δ13C of the seasonal source CO2 at Schauinsland is calculated from unselected δ13C and CO2 data to be − 25.1‰. From the 14C observations in unselected CO2, we derive yearly mean fossil fuel contributions at Westerland of 4 ppmv, and at Schauinsland of only 2.5 ppmv. Based on the seasonality of the fossil fuel CO2 component at Schauinsland and on concurrently observed atmospheric 222Radon activities, we derive a seasonal amplitude of the fossil fuel CO2source which is higher by a factor of 3 compared to emission estimates for Europe.

Of course, these are real scientists writing these articles, not internet pretenders like you, Billy Boob.

The thing about the Null Hypothesis is that EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE trumps all the models in the world.

There are good reasons to suppose this hypothesis may be true, but the Null Hypothesis says it must be assumed the GHG changes have no effect unless and until increased GHGs are observed to increase global temperature. That is what the scientific method decrees. It does not matter how certain some people may be that the hypothesis is right because observation of reality (i.e. empiricism) trumps all opinions.

Given Natural variation there is no warming to attribute to CO2..

it was never about man made global warming or climate change, it was about governmental control over how people live. The liberal mind cannot tolerate freedom.

The government controls many aspects of your life, whether or not you want it to. You are not allowed to murder. You are not allowed to steal. You are not allowed to do a lot of things. Freedom is not a free pass to negatively impact the lives of others.

should each of us be able to decide what kind of light bulbs to use and how much water comes out of our shower head?

murder and stealing are moral issues, light bulbs and shower heads are control issues.

Last time I was at Lowes, there were at least 100 different or more types of light bulbs. Seems to me there are plenty from which to choose.

So you don't mind legislating morality as long as it doesn't involve taking away your "right" to waste profuse amounts of energy on inefficient product. Got it.

yep, hundreds of kinds of expensive dangerous bulbs made in china, but not one incandesent bulb made in the USA. What progress----------------------------------------------

 

[Redfish]

Scientists who debunk AGW aren't real scientists.
It was Global Warming, until there wasn't any, then it was Climate Change, but that isn't fooling anyone, so they changed it to Climate Disruption, but no one is using that so it's back to Climate Change again.
The answer to Global Warming is socialism.
Climate is climate unless it disagrees, then it's weather.
The AGW faithful are allowed to cherry pick, but the deniers are not.
If there's flooding, it's climate change.
If there is drought, it's climate change.
If it's cold, it's climate change.
If it's warm, it's climate change.
If there is snow, it's climate change.
No snow? It's climate change.
If there are lots of storms, it's climate change.
If there are no storms, it's climate change.
Wildfires, it's climate change.
Mudslides, it's climate change.
Rising rivers, it's climate change.
Rivers drying up, it's climate change.
Earthquakes, it's climate change.
Volcanos, it's climate change.
Stub your toe, it's climate change.
Girlfriend leaves you, it's climate change.

Sig Heil!

thats your line as you kowtow to obama and flush your toilet twice to get all the shit to go down-----its insanity.

 

[orogenicman]

The thing about the Null Hypothesis is that EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE trumps all the models in the world.
Given Natural variation there is no warming to attribute to CO2..

it was never about man made global warming or climate change, it was about governmental control over how people live. The liberal mind cannot tolerate freedom.

The government controls many aspects of your life, whether or not you want it to. You are not allowed to murder. You are not allowed to steal. You are not allowed to do a lot of things. Freedom is not a free pass to negatively impact the lives of others.

should each of us be able to decide what kind of light bulbs to use and how much water comes out of our shower head?

murder and stealing are moral issues, light bulbs and shower heads are control issues.

Last time I was at Lowes, there were at least 100 different or more types of light bulbs. Seems to me there are plenty from which to choose.

So you don't mind legislating morality as long as it doesn't involve taking away your "right" to waste profuse amounts of energy on inefficient product. Got it.

yep, hundreds of kinds of expensive dangerous bulbs made in china, but not one incandesent bulb made in the USA. What progress----------------------------------------------

Most bulbs weren't made in the U.S. BEFORE the incandescent ban, dufus.

 

[Redfish]

it was never about man made global warming or climate change, it was about governmental control over how people live. The liberal mind cannot tolerate freedom.

The government controls many aspects of your life, whether or not you want it to. You are not allowed to murder. You are not allowed to steal. You are not allowed to do a lot of things. Freedom is not a free pass to negatively impact the lives of others.

should each of us be able to decide what kind of light bulbs to use and how much water comes out of our shower head?

murder and stealing are moral issues, light bulbs and shower heads are control issues.

Last time I was at Lowes, there were at least 100 different or more types of light bulbs. Seems to me there are plenty from which to choose.

So you don't mind legislating morality as long as it doesn't involve taking away your "right" to waste profuse amounts of energy on inefficient product. Got it.

yep, hundreds of kinds of expensive dangerous bulbs made in china, but not one incandesent bulb made in the USA. What progress----------------------------------------------

Most bulbs weren't made in the U.S. BEFORE the incandescent ban, dufus.

not true, dufus

 

[orogenicman]

The government controls many aspects of your life, whether or not you want it to. You are not allowed to murder. You are not allowed to steal. You are not allowed to do a lot of things. Freedom is not a free pass to negatively impact the lives of others.

should each of us be able to decide what kind of light bulbs to use and how much water comes out of our shower head?

murder and stealing are moral issues, light bulbs and shower heads are control issues.

Last time I was at Lowes, there were at least 100 different or more types of light bulbs. Seems to me there are plenty from which to choose.

So you don't mind legislating morality as long as it doesn't involve taking away your "right" to waste profuse amounts of energy on inefficient product. Got it.

yep, hundreds of kinds of expensive dangerous bulbs made in china, but not one incandesent bulb made in the USA. What progress----------------------------------------------

Most bulbs weren't made in the U.S. BEFORE the incandescent ban, dufus.

not true, dufus

Sure it is. Look it up, bubba.

 

[Redfish]

should each of us be able to decide what kind of light bulbs to use and how much water comes out of our shower head?

murder and stealing are moral issues, light bulbs and shower heads are control issues.

Last time I was at Lowes, there were at least 100 different or more types of light bulbs. Seems to me there are plenty from which to choose.

So you don't mind legislating morality as long as it doesn't involve taking away your "right" to waste profuse amounts of energy on inefficient product. Got it.

yep, hundreds of kinds of expensive dangerous bulbs made in china, but not one incandesent bulb made in the USA. What progress----------------------------------------------

Most bulbs weren't made in the U.S. BEFORE the incandescent ban, dufus.

not true, dufus

Sure it is. Look it up, bubba.

you made the claim, you prove it, bubba. Ever hear of GE, Westinghouse, Edison? American companies that made incondescent bulbs in the USA.

But its OK with me if you prefer the expensive hazardous chinese ones. Enjoy the mercury vapors if you break one.

 

[jc456]

it was never about man made global warming or climate change, it was about governmental control over how people live. The liberal mind cannot tolerate freedom.

The government controls many aspects of your life, whether or not you want it to. You are not allowed to murder. You are not allowed to steal. You are not allowed to do a lot of things. Freedom is not a free pass to negatively impact the lives of others.

should each of us be able to decide what kind of light bulbs to use and how much water comes out of our shower head?

murder and stealing are moral issues, light bulbs and shower heads are control issues.

Last time I was at Lowes, there were at least 100 different or more types of light bulbs. Seems to me there are plenty from which to choose.

So you don't mind legislating morality as long as it doesn't involve taking away your "right" to waste profuse amounts of energy on inefficient product. Got it.

to avoid being killed by toxic mercury, yeah!!!!

Did you support the EPA when it decreased the allowable level of mercury in our waters? Do you support the EPA - at all?

I was never afraid of nature, I am of the EPA, yep!!!!

 

[orogenicman]

Last time I was at Lowes, there were at least 100 different or more types of light bulbs. Seems to me there are plenty from which to choose.

So you don't mind legislating morality as long as it doesn't involve taking away your "right" to waste profuse amounts of energy on inefficient product. Got it.

yep, hundreds of kinds of expensive dangerous bulbs made in china, but not one incandesent bulb made in the USA. What progress----------------------------------------------

Most bulbs weren't made in the U.S. BEFORE the incandescent ban, dufus.

not true, dufus

Sure it is. Look it up, bubba.

you made the claim, you prove it, bubba. Ever hear of GE, Westinghouse, Edison? American companies that made incondescent bulbs in the USA.

But its OK with me if you prefer the expensive hazardous chinese ones. Enjoy the mercury vapors if you break one.

Yes they do make bulbs. But the bulk of the bulbs sold here in the states were cheap chinese bulbs. Now the new ones are made primarily here. Which means more jobs here, bubba.

 

[Redfish]

it was never about man made global warming or climate change, it was about governmental control over how people live. The liberal mind cannot tolerate freedom.

The government controls many aspects of your life, whether or not you want it to. You are not allowed to murder. You are not allowed to steal. You are not allowed to do a lot of things. Freedom is not a free pass to negatively impact the lives of others.

should each of us be able to decide what kind of light bulbs to use and how much water comes out of our shower head?

murder and stealing are moral issues, light bulbs and shower heads are control issues.

Last time I was at Lowes, there were at least 100 different or more types of light bulbs. Seems to me there are plenty from which to choose.

So you don't mind legislating morality as long as it doesn't involve taking away your "right" to waste profuse amounts of energy on inefficient product. Got it.

to avoid being killed by toxic mercury, yeah!!!!

Did you support the EPA when it decreased the allowable level of mercury in our waters? Do you support the EPA - at all?

You lefties need to understand the difference between man made pollution and man made climtate change. pollution is real and should be drastically reduced, climate change is a hoax.

if you fools would concentrate on the real problem, we might make some progress.

 

[Redfish]

yep, hundreds of kinds of expensive dangerous bulbs made in china, but not one incandesent bulb made in the USA. What progress----------------------------------------------

Most bulbs weren't made in the U.S. BEFORE the incandescent ban, dufus.

not true, dufus

Sure it is. Look it up, bubba.

you made the claim, you prove it, bubba. Ever hear of GE, Westinghouse, Edison? American companies that made incondescent bulbs in the USA.

But its OK with me if you prefer the expensive hazardous chinese ones. Enjoy the mercury vapors if you break one.

Yes they do make bulbs. But the bulk of the bulbs sold here in the states were cheap chinese bulbs. Now the new ones are made primarily here. Which means more jobs here, bubba.

nothing in your last post is true. Go to home depot and check where all of the bulbs are made. Hint, it ain't the USA.

 

[jc456]

Now JC, you flap-yap without ever showing your sources of information. There are many, many sources for information concerning the water shortages in the US.



All Around The US, Risks Of A Water Crisis Are Much Bigger Than People Realize

• GRACE WYLER

• MAY 22, 2013, 3:58 PM

With about half of the country still suffering from extreme drought, farmers and businesses in the Western United States are looking at another hot, dry summer.

And the country's water risk is a lot worse than most assessments suggest, according to a recent study from the Columbia University Water Center.

Taking into account past patterns of drought and water use, the Columbia study reveals that several major metro areas, including New York City, Washington, D.C., and Los Angeles, are at high risk for water scarcity, along with the Great Plains agricultural belt extending from North and South Dakota down to North Texas.

Read more: America s Water Problem Is Way Worse Than Everybody Thinks - Business Insider

Now why don't you post how that is not a problem?

what is it you need from me as a source? The fact is most of the mumbo jumbo you pop up on the message board is just that, mumbo jumbo. I've told you that over and over. Now what is it you need to see from me? Why Lake Mead is low on water? Dude, it's simple, go back to the number of people who used the lake when it was created and look today. I don't need a link, you need to use your stupid head and realize that thousands upon thousands of people migrated to the area to use that water therefore, the lake will most likely loose water. Doh, isn't that what is happening? It has very little to do with some drought. Again, I don't need a link to do the math.

 

[orogenicman]

The government controls many aspects of your life, whether or not you want it to. You are not allowed to murder. You are not allowed to steal. You are not allowed to do a lot of things. Freedom is not a free pass to negatively impact the lives of others.

should each of us be able to decide what kind of light bulbs to use and how much water comes out of our shower head?

murder and stealing are moral issues, light bulbs and shower heads are control issues.

Last time I was at Lowes, there were at least 100 different or more types of light bulbs. Seems to me there are plenty from which to choose.

So you don't mind legislating morality as long as it doesn't involve taking away your "right" to waste profuse amounts of energy on inefficient product. Got it.

to avoid being killed by toxic mercury, yeah!!!!

Did you support the EPA when it decreased the allowable level of mercury in our waters? Do you support the EPA - at all?

You lefties need to understand the difference between man made pollution and man made climtate change. pollution is real and should be drastically reduced, climate change is a hoax.

if you fools would concentrate on the real problem, we might make some progress.

Much of the CO2 emissions come from exhaust and stack emissions that also contain those pollutants you are so concerned about. The real problem is people like you who fight tooth and nail against any solutions like a child who refuses to eat his peas. Grow up.

 

[jc456]

Last time I was at Lowes, there were at least 100 different or more types of light bulbs. Seems to me there are plenty from which to choose.

So you don't mind legislating morality as long as it doesn't involve taking away your "right" to waste profuse amounts of energy on inefficient product. Got it.

yep, hundreds of kinds of expensive dangerous bulbs made in china, but not one incandesent bulb made in the USA. What progress----------------------------------------------

Most bulbs weren't made in the U.S. BEFORE the incandescent ban, dufus.

not true, dufus

Sure it is. Look it up, bubba.

you made the claim, you prove it, bubba. Ever hear of GE, Westinghouse, Edison? American companies that made incondescent bulbs in the USA.

But its OK with me if you prefer the expensive hazardous chinese ones. Enjoy the mercury vapors if you break one.

hahahahaahahahahahahhaahahaha.............Nicely done!!!!!