The truth about CO2 and climate change

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Where does Carbon Dioxide really come from?
Ian Rutherford Plimer
is an Australian geologist, professor emeritus of earth sciences at the University of Melbourne, professor of mining geology at the University of Adelaide, and the director of multiple mineral exploration and mining companies.
He has published 130 scientific papers, six books and edited the Encyclopedia of Geology.

Where Does the Carbon Dioxide Really Come From?
Professor Ian Plimer could not have said it better!
If you've read his book you will agree; this is a good summary.


PLIMER: "Okay, here's the bombshell. The volcanic eruption in Iceland.
Since its first spewing of volcanic ash has, in just FOUR DAYS, NEGATED EVERY SINGLE EFFORT you have made in the past five years to control CO2 emissions on our planet - all of you.
Of course, you know about this evil carbon dioxide that we are trying to suppress - its that vital chemical compound that every plant requires to live and grow and to synthesize into oxygen for us humans and all animal life.


I know....it's very disheartening to realize that all of the carbon emission savings you have accomplished while suffering the inconvenience and expense of driving Prius hybrids, buying fabric grocery bags, sitting up till midnight to finish your kids "The Green Revolution" science project, throwing out all of your non-green cleaning supplies, using only two squares of toilet paper, putting a brick in your toilet tank reservoir, selling your SUV and speedboat, vacationing at home instead of abroad, nearly getting hit every day on your bicycle, replacing all of your 50 cent light bulbs with $10.00 light bulbs.....
well, all of those things you have done have all gone down the tubes in just four days.


The volcanic ash emitted into the Earth's atmosphere in just four days - yes, FOUR DAYS - by that volcano in Iceland which has totally erased every single effort you have made to reduce the evil beast, carbon. And there are around 200 active volcanoes on the planet spewing out this crud at any one time - EVERY DAY.

I don't really want to rain on your parade too much, but I should mention that when the volcano Mt. Pinatubo erupted in the Philippines in 1991, it spewed out more greenhouse gases into the atmosphere than the entire human race had emitted in all its years on earth.
Yes, folks, Mt. Pinatubo was active for over one year - think about it.
Of course, I shouldn't spoil this 'touchy-feely tree-hugging' moment and mention the effect of solar and cosmic activity and the well-recognized 800-year global heating and cooling cycle,
which keeps happening despite our completely insignificant efforts to affect climate change.

And I do wish I had a silver lining to this volcanic ash cloud, but the fact of the matter is that the bush fire season across the western USA and Australia this year alone will negate your efforts to reduce carbon in our world for the next two to three years. And it happens every year.
Just remember that your government just tried to impose a whopping carbon tax on you, on the basis of the bogus 'human-caused' climate-change scenario.
Hey, isn't it interesting how they don't mention 'Global Warming' anymore, but just
"Climate Change" - you know why?

It's because the planet has COOLED by 0.7 degrees in the past century and these global warming bull**** artists got caught with their pants down.
And, just keep in mind that you might yet be stuck with an Emissions Trading Scheme - that whopping new tax - imposed on you that will achieve absolutely nothing except make you poorer.


It won't stop any volcanoes from erupting, that's for sure.

But, hey, relax...give the world a hug and have a nice day!"
 
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Of all the carbon emitted into the atmosphere each year, 210 billion tons are from natural sources, and only 6.3 billion tons are from man's activity. Man's burning of fossil fuel, therefore only accounts for 3 percent of total emissions of CO2.

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People are never told that the most powerful greenhouse gases by orders of magnitude is water vapor and clouds. When only human emitted CO2 is considered, less than one percent of the greenhouse gas potential comes from human activity. Yet, all the global warming is supposed to be attributed to it. Water vapor plays a huge role in keeping the earth warm; 70 times more powerful than the CO2 emitted by human activity. When clouds are added, CO2 becomes even less important. However, clouds not only trap heat, low elevation clouds also reflect much of the incoming solar radiation, so the sun's heat never reaches the earth's surface which cools the earth. It is this mechanism that a growing number of scientists believe is one of the primary mechanisms warming and cooling the earth.

Now to the AGW/far left programmed minions, none or the real science here will compute..
 
Are you seriously going to peddle that erumor? Now, before you start spewing at me about being a liberal who believes in Goebbal's Warming, Im not either. But there is certainly a debate going on in the science and using this type of shit only makes the alarmists look more intelligent.

it's damaging.
 
Are you seriously going to peddle that erumor? Now, before you start spewing at me about being a liberal who believes in Goebbal's Warming, Im not either. But there is certainly a debate going on in the science and using this type of shit only makes the alarmists look more intelligent.

it's damaging.


Yeah, posting the truth is damaging. Are you :cuckoo:
 
Plimer lies a lot.

Are Volcanoes or Humans Harder on the Atmosphere - Scientific American

This argument that human-caused carbon emissions are merely a drop in the bucket compared to greenhouse gases generated by volcanoes has been making its way around the rumor mill for years. And while it may sound plausible, the science just doesn’t back it up.

According to the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS), the world’s volcanoes, both on land and undersea, generate about 200 million tons of carbon dioxide (CO2) annually, while our automotive and industrial activities cause some 24 billion tons of CO2 emissions every year worldwide. Despite the arguments to the contrary, the facts speak for themselves: Greenhouse gas emissions from volcanoes comprise less than one percent of those generated by today’s human endeavors.
 
The truth is that Pilmer's claim regarding volcanoes is not scientifically correct.

I will agree with him on how the models are used in Climate science, but claiming a volcanic eruption released more Co2 than man has tried to save in just four days...that ain't truth, partner.

You're welcome.
 
From the USGS:

USGS Release Human Activities Produce More Carbon Dioxide Emissions Than Do Volcanoes 6 14 2011 11 30 00 AM

VANCOUVER, Wash. — On average, human activities put out in just three to five days, the equivalent amount of carbon dioxide that volcanoes produce globally each year. This is one of the messages detailed in a new article "Volcanic Versus Anthropogenic Carbon Dioxide" by Terrance Gerlach of the U.S. Geological Survey appearing in this week's issue of Eos, from the American Geophysical Union.

"The most frequent question that I have gotten (and still get), in my 30 some years as a volcanic gas geochemist from the general public and from geoscientists working in fields outside of volcanology, is 'Do volcanoes emit more CO2 than human activities?' Research findings indicate unequivocally that the answer to this question is "No"—anthropogenic CO2 emissions dwarf global volcanic CO2 emissions," said Gerlach.
 
Plimer lies a lot.

Are Volcanoes or Humans Harder on the Atmosphere - Scientific American

This argument that human-caused carbon emissions are merely a drop in the bucket compared to greenhouse gases generated by volcanoes has been making its way around the rumor mill for years. And while it may sound plausible, the science just doesn’t back it up.

According to the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS), the world’s volcanoes, both on land and undersea, generate about 200 million tons of carbon dioxide (CO2) annually, while our automotive and industrial activities cause some 24 billion tons of CO2 emissions every year worldwide. Despite the arguments to the contrary, the facts speak for themselves: Greenhouse gas emissions from volcanoes comprise less than one percent of those generated by today’s human endeavors.

Scientists disagree. BTW, the US is seeing record cold temps this year, and the ice caps are growing. Sooooooooooooooooooooooooo. ?
 
Plimer's book, Heavan and Earth, has universally been panned by scientists as being completely riddled with errors. Not a good recommendation for using in a debate on any subject.
 
The truth is that Pilmer's claim regarding volcanoes is not scientifically correct.

I will agree with him on how the models are used in Climate science, but claiming a volcanic eruption released more Co2 than man has tried to save in just four days...that ain't truth, partner.

You're welcome.


coming from you---------------------------------------nope. but thanks for trying.
 
Scientists disagree with Plimer is correct. After all, all the Scientific Societies, all the National Academies of Science, and all the major Universities have policy statements that say AGW is real, and a clear and present danger.
 
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Rather than changes in earth's CO2 causing temperature to change, scientists have actually found that changes in earth's temperatures always precedes changes in CO2 by 400 to a 1000 years -- just the opposite of what global warming proponents would have us believe.
 
Scientists disagree with Plimer is correct. After all, all the Scientific Societies, all the National Academies of Science, and all the major Universities have policy statements that say AGW is real, and a clear and present danger.

Yes such words a could, might, possible, etc. in the minds of the AGW cult means that it will...

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The truth is that Pilmer's claim regarding volcanoes is not scientifically correct.

I will agree with him on how the models are used in Climate science, but claiming a volcanic eruption released more Co2 than man has tried to save in just four days...that ain't truth, partner.

You're welcome.


coming from you---------------------------------------nope. but thanks for trying.

OK, then. Go ahead and peddle it. You look lie a moron, but I ain't in the business of trying to stop a guy who is desperate to shoot himself in the foot intellectually.

Have at it.
 
Kosh, those are the Milankovic Cycles, a totally differant thing than what we are seeing now. The analog to what we are seeing now is the periods at the end of the Permian and Triassic.
 
Scientists disagree with Plimer is correct. After all, all the Scientific Societies, all the National Academies of Science, and all the major Universities have policy statements that say AGW is real, and a clear and present danger.

Jesus. Now you're going to peddle that bullshit line.

I gotta go. Nothing but bullshit up in here.
 
Kosh, those are the Milankovic Cycles, a totally differant thing than what we are seeing now. The analog to what we are seeing now is the periods at the end of the Permian and Triassic.

Yes I know real science trumps AGW religious dogma.

And once again the propaganda machine drones on and on not based in in sort of reality..
 
Scientists disagree with Plimer is correct. After all, all the Scientific Societies, all the National Academies of Science, and all the major Universities have policy statements that say AGW is real, and a clear and present danger.


in the 1970s those same groups said the earth was going into a new ice age.

I do not understand why you libs can't understand the difference between pollution and climate change. Pollution is bad, everyone agrees. When you try to make a false connection between pollution and climate change you hurt the drive to eliminate pollution.

the only explanation that is possible is that liberalism is indeed a mental disease.
 

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