The time has come to walk away from the Republican party

[Oddball]

The time has come to walk away from the Republican party

Walked away from them after the sold me out, yet again, in '95.

Maybe if Scott Walker had got the nomination.......

 

[freedombecki]

The time has come to walk away from the Republican party

Walked away from them after the sold me out, yet again, in '95.

Maybe if Scott Walker had got the nomination.......

I don't know what happened to you, Oddball. I'm so sorry. We need every conservative vote or we are likely to see four years of unfettered crimes against the Constitution.

The world has seen "I told you so" wealth-spreaders bring societies larger than ours to ruin along with millions of people slaughtered for political opposition to having their property removed from their possession.

 

[Trajan]

SO, the Republican party is not far enough to the right for you?

no- it will never be far enough left for you....see how that works?

I am old enough to remember when the Republican party was much more centrist. But centrist is an evil word to today's GOP. It is the far right or banishment for any Republican that doesn't march in lock step.

Ask David Frum or Bruce Bartlett.

David Frum and the Closing of the Conservative Mind

by Bruce Bartlett

As some readers of this blog may know, I was fired by a right wing think tank called the National Center for Policy Analysis in 2005 for writing a book critical of George W. Bush's policies, especially his support for Medicare Part D. In the years since, I have lost a great many friends and been shunned by conservative society in Washington, DC.

Now the same thing has happened to David Frum, who has been fired by the American Enterprise Institute. I don't know all the details, but I presume that his Waterloo post on Sunday condemning Republicans for failing to work with Democrats on healthcare reform was the final straw.

Since, he is no longer affiliated with AEI, I feel free to say publicly something he told me in private a few months ago. He asked if I had noticed any comments by AEI "scholars" on the subject of health care reform. I said no and he said that was because they had been ordered not to speak to the media because they agreed with too much of what Obama was trying to do.

It saddened me to hear this. I have always hoped that my experience was unique. But now I see that I was just the first to suffer from a closing of the conservative mind. Rigid conformity is being enforced, no dissent is allowed, and the conservative brain will slowly shrivel into dementia if it hasn't already.

Sadly, there is no place for David and me to go. The donor community is only interested in financing organizations that parrot the party line, such as the one recently established by McCain economic adviser Doug Holtz-Eakin.

I will have more to say on this topic later. But I wanted to say that this is a black day for what passes for a conservative movement, scholarship, and the once-respected AEI.

I have been around for a while too. Frum and bruce are entitled to their opinions, to bad they are off,by a lot. McCain???? Romney? Oh yea they are some real far right fruitcakes alright...please.

And bush was not much of a con anyway, so?

 

[jillian]

This time it doesn't matter.

Elect Obama and get more of the same.

Elect Romney and you get Obama in pancake makeup.

Why isn't Rubio running for VP? Because if Romney loses he (Rubio) get labelled "loser".
Because if Romney wins and fails as miserably as his acolyte, Obama (who picked up on Romney's health care communization in Massachusetts so brilliantly) then he (Rubio) gets labelled loser and, worse, Obama runs again in 2016.

Better for someone else to take the fall.

at this juncture, learning something about american politics might be a good thing for you.

1. the president can't run again in 2016. presidents can only hold two terms.

that's first thing...

2. second... there is nothing 'communist' about making sure people have health insurance and pay their fair share. that's why the heritage foundation came up with the plan as an alternative to hillary clinton's health care plan.

but you don't know that, do you?

 

[Missourian]

I ain't particularly fond of the decision to nominate Romney...but if Romney isn't elected Obamacare is implemented and we'll never be rid of it.

Romney will repeal Obamacare and replace it with less intrusive legislation that retains the 10 points that Americans like about the 2000 page monstrosity that is the Orwellian named "Affordable Care Act".

Don't vote, vote third party, write in a candidate, or vote for Obama and you will be partially to blame for a failure to repeal this overreaching, budget-breaking new entitlement program.

 

[Trajan]

This time it doesn't matter.

Elect Obama and get more of the same.

Elect Romney and you get Obama in pancake makeup.

Why isn't Rubio running for VP? Because if Romney loses he (Rubio) get labelled "loser".
Because if Romney wins and fails as miserably as his acolyte, Obama (who picked up on Romney's health care communization in Massachusetts so brilliantly) then he (Rubio) gets labelled loser and, worse, Obama runs again in 2016.

Better for someone else to take the fall.

at this juncture, learning something about american politics might be a good thing for you.

1. the president can't run again in 2016. presidents can only hold two terms.

that's first thing...

2. second... there is nothing 'communist' about making sure people have health insurance and pay their fair share.

Communist? No, but european socialist, yes.

That's why the heritage foundation came up with the plan as an alternative to hillary clinton's health care plan.

but you don't know that, do you?

I can see you're confused, because that's not quite the case, unless you only have a surface knowledge of the issue.

For starters they spoke to a catastrophic coverage plan, NOT a comprehensive plan.
there was no penalty meted out, but a loss of a tax break, it wasn't a legal requirement, last but not least, a Voucher was offered as inducement for those that did.


Stuart butler, you can google him.



Oh and Obama was demonstrably anti mandate in the 08 primaries. Right?

 

[Black_Label]

The time has come to walk away from the Republican party

Walked away from them after the sold me out, yet again, in '95.

Maybe if Scott Walker had got the nomination.......

I don't know what happened to you, Oddball. I'm so sorry. We need every conservative vote or we are likely to see four years of unfettered crimes against the Constitution.

That's all we had under W. He and the GOP thugs created the patriot act, the most anti-constitution and huge government bill every enacted.

Not to mention every time it has come up for an extension, the GOP voted almost unanimously to continue it, where the democrats vote strongly against.

It's pretty clear to see a vote for the GOP is a vote to use the constitution as toilet paper.

 

[Trajan]

Walked away from them after the sold me out, yet again, in '95.

Maybe if Scott Walker had got the nomination.......

I don't know what happened to you, Oddball. I'm so sorry. We need every conservative vote or we are likely to see four years of unfettered crimes against the Constitution.

That's all we had under W. He and the GOP thugs created the patriot act, the most anti-constitution and huge government bill every enacted.

Not to mention every time it has come up for an extension, the GOP voted almost unanimously to continue it, where the democrats vote strongly against.

It's pretty clear to see a vote for the GOP is a vote to use the constitution as toilet paper.

That's all we had under W. He and the GOP thugs created the patriot act, the most anti-constitution and huge government bill every enacted.

Under the radar, Obama pushes for Patriot Act renewal
Feingold expresses frustration over Senate version


Under the radar, Obama pushes for Patriot Act renewal - The Lakeland Times - Minocqua, Wisc.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/obama-supports-extending-patriot-act/story?id=8582891#.UAt5S6D4J2U

hello

 

[Oddball]

The time has come to walk away from the Republican party

Walked away from them after the sold me out, yet again, in '95.

Maybe if Scott Walker had got the nomination.......

I don't know what happened to you, Oddball. I'm so sorry. We need every conservative vote or we are likely to see four years of unfettered crimes against the Constitution.

The world has seen "I told you so" wealth-spreaders bring societies larger than ours to ruin along with millions of people slaughtered for political opposition to having their property removed from their possession.

What happened to me is that people who campaign like librarians and govern like the progressive/socialist democratics they claim to oppose make me want to puke.

Unfortunately, Vinnie Vitalis is cut from the same crappy cloth that the rest of the inside-the-beltway establishment elite are.

 

[Black_Label]

I don't know what happened to you, Oddball. I'm so sorry. We need every conservative vote or we are likely to see four years of unfettered crimes against the Constitution.

That's all we had under W. He and the GOP thugs created the patriot act, the most anti-constitution and huge government bill every enacted.

Not to mention every time it has come up for an extension, the GOP voted almost unanimously to continue it, where the democrats vote strongly against.

It's pretty clear to see a vote for the GOP is a vote to use the constitution as toilet paper.

That's all we had under W. He and the GOP thugs created the patriot act, the most anti-constitution and huge government bill every enacted.

Under the radar, Obama pushes for Patriot Act renewal
Feingold expresses frustration over Senate version


Under the radar, Obama pushes for Patriot Act renewal - The Lakeland Times - Minocqua, Wisc.

Obama Supports Extending Some of Patriot Act - ABC News

hello

GOP bill passed and presented by the GOP under W. If the GOP/teabaggers were supposedly for "less government!" "pro constitution!" they should have sided with the democrats that voted against renewing it, right? Instead they almost all voted for it.

 

[Bfgrn]

This time it doesn't matter.

Elect Obama and get more of the same.

Elect Romney and you get Obama in pancake makeup.

Why isn't Rubio running for VP? Because if Romney loses he (Rubio) get labelled "loser".
Because if Romney wins and fails as miserably as his acolyte, Obama (who picked up on Romney's health care communization in Massachusetts so brilliantly) then he (Rubio) gets labelled loser and, worse, Obama runs again in 2016.

Better for someone else to take the fall.

at this juncture, learning something about american politics might be a good thing for you.

1. the president can't run again in 2016. presidents can only hold two terms.

that's first thing...

2. second... there is nothing 'communist' about making sure people have health insurance and pay their fair share.

Communist? No, but european socialist, yes.

That's why the heritage foundation came up with the plan as an alternative to hillary clinton's health care plan.

but you don't know that, do you?

I can see you're confused, because that's not quite the case, unless you only have a surface knowledge of the issue.

For starters they spoke to a catastrophic coverage plan, NOT a comprehensive plan.
there was no penalty meted out, but a loss of a tax break, it wasn't a legal requirement, last but not least, a Voucher was offered as inducement for those that did.


Stuart butler, you can google him.



Oh and Obama was demonstrably anti mandate in the 08 primaries. Right?

Not the truth. You are missing some important details.

The Individual Mandate, a Brief History — Part I, Conservative Origins : HEALTH REFORM WATCH

"If a young man wrecks his Porsche and has not had the foresight to obtain insurance . . . society feels no obligation to repair his car. But health care is different. If a man is struck down by a heart attack in the street, Americans will care for him whether or not he has insurance. If we find that he has spent his money on other things rather than insurance, we may be angry but we will not deny him services . . . .

A mandate on individuals recognizes this implicit contract. . . . [E]ach household has the obligation, to the extent it is able, to avoid placing demands on society by protecting itself."
Stuart butler

[1] Start M. Butler, Assuring Affordable Health Care for All Americans, Heritage Lectures 218, p. 8(1989).

 

[Full-Auto]

I ain't particularly fond of the decision to nominate Romney...but if Romney isn't elected Obamacare is implemented and we'll never be rid of it.

Romney will repeal Obamacare and replace it with less intrusive legislation that retains the 10 points that Americans like about the 2000 page monstrosity that is the Orwellian named "Affordable Care Act".

Don't vote, vote third party, write in a candidate, or vote for Obama and you will be partially to blame for a failure to repeal this overreaching, budget-breaking new entitlement program.

Where does this faith of repeal come from?

Second if a candidate fails to gain enough support it is not the fault of those that didnt vote for him.

Already setting up an excuse....

 

[Missourian]

I ain't particularly fond of the decision to nominate Romney...but if Romney isn't elected Obamacare is implemented and we'll never be rid of it.

Romney will repeal Obamacare and replace it with less intrusive legislation that retains the 10 points that Americans like about the 2000 page monstrosity that is the Orwellian named "Affordable Care Act".

Don't vote, vote third party, write in a candidate, or vote for Obama and you will be partially to blame for a failure to repeal this overreaching, budget-breaking new entitlement program.

Where does this faith of repeal come from?

Second if a candidate fails to gain enough support it is not the fault of those that didnt vote for him.

Already setting up an excuse....

My faith is not in Romney, it is in a Republican controlled congress after the election.

If it is important to you to stop Obamacare...Romney it the ONLY option.

Ron Paul is not going to be president.

Gary Johnson is not going to be president.

It's Romney or Obama...and Obama will veto any attempt at repeal.

So, like I said, if repealing Obamacare is your goal, vote for Romney.

If you vote third party, write in a candidate or don't vote and Romney loses, you share part of the blame for the implementation of the "Affordable Care Entitlement Program".

 

[Black_Label]

I ain't particularly fond of the decision to nominate Romney...but if Romney isn't elected Obamacare is implemented and we'll never be rid of it.

Romney will repeal Obamacare and replace it with less intrusive legislation that retains the 10 points that Americans like about the 2000 page monstrosity that is the Orwellian named "Affordable Care Act".

Don't vote, vote third party, write in a candidate, or vote for Obama and you will be partially to blame for a failure to repeal this overreaching, budget-breaking new entitlement program.

Where does this faith of repeal come from?

Second if a candidate fails to gain enough support it is not the fault of those that didnt vote for him.

Already setting up an excuse....

My faith is not in Romney, it is in a Republican controlled congress after the election.

If it is important to you to stop Obamacare...Romney it the ONLY option.

Ron Paul is not going to be president.

Gary Johnson is not going to be president.

It's Romney or Obama...and Obama will veto any attempt at repeal.

So, like I said, if repealing Obamacare is your goal, vote for Romney.

If you vote third party, write in a candidate or don't vote and Romney loses, you share part of the blame for the implementation of the "Affordable Care Entitlement Program".

Obamacare is Romneycare. Romney isn't going to repeal anything. Why would he shoot down the legislation he was the father of creating?

His "I'm going to repeal!" BS is just to rally the goons to vote for him.

 

[Missourian]

Where does this faith of repeal come from?

Second if a candidate fails to gain enough support it is not the fault of those that didnt vote for him.

Already setting up an excuse....

My faith is not in Romney, it is in a Republican controlled congress after the election.

If it is important to you to stop Obamacare...Romney it the ONLY option.

Ron Paul is not going to be president.

Gary Johnson is not going to be president.

It's Romney or Obama...and Obama will veto any attempt at repeal.

So, like I said, if repealing Obamacare is your goal, vote for Romney.

If you vote third party, write in a candidate or don't vote and Romney loses, you share part of the blame for the implementation of the "Affordable Care Entitlement Program".

Obamacare is Romneycare. Romney isn't going to repeal anything. Why would he shoot down the legislation he was the father of creating?

His "I'm going to repeal!" BS is just to rally the goons to vote for him.

He knows if he doesn't, he'll be the second one term president in a row undone by Obamacare.

 

[Black_Label]

My faith is not in Romney, it is in a Republican controlled congress after the election.

If it is important to you to stop Obamacare...Romney it the ONLY option.

Ron Paul is not going to be president.

Gary Johnson is not going to be president.

It's Romney or Obama...and Obama will veto any attempt at repeal.

So, like I said, if repealing Obamacare is your goal, vote for Romney.

If you vote third party, write in a candidate or don't vote and Romney loses, you share part of the blame for the implementation of the "Affordable Care Entitlement Program".

Obamacare is Romneycare. Romney isn't going to repeal anything. Why would he shoot down the legislation he was the father of creating?

His "I'm going to repeal!" BS is just to rally the goons to vote for him.

He knows if he doesn't, he'll be the second one term president in a row undone by Obamacare.

No he won't (from the fact he won't get elected in the first place) not to mention the brainwashed right wing thugs will still vote (R) no matter what.

Romney could come out and say he's really a communist that wants to completely destroy the middle class, ship all their jobs to china, institute muslim sharia law, and hold assets in foreign counties to screw over the government and they would still vote for him.

 

[Trakar]

(re: OP) As a progressive Republican, I don't know if I'm more shocked at the rightward march of the corporate Republican party or the rightward march of the corporate Democratic party. Obama is to the right of Nixon on some issues and he is touted as a leftist socialist? (Nixon instituted the EPA!). Seriously?!, I think Obama is terrible CIC or national CEO, but good lordy, he's no Mephistopheles.

 

[IndependntLogic]

I am sure you will get people who will tell you that you MUST vote for Obama or Romney. Screw them. I don't recall the part where the Founding Fathers fought for your right to vote for one of two people that someone else likes.

My first vote was for Reagan. So was my second. My 3rd and 4th were for Bush (the good one, not the idiot). This year i will vote for Obama, based on the policy positions of both he and the GOP regarding Dodd-Frank, The Dems presenting tax breaks for giving back jobs to Americans and the GOP fighting those tax breaks (friggin' hypocrites), passing the bill to stop the banks from illegally foreclosing on homes, and the things that Obama has accomplished with foreign policy and defense.
I'm not voting GOP based on their positions on GLB, Outsourcing, Offshoring 100% domestically earned income, refusing to vote on the Jobs Act, voting against the bills that halted the banks forelcosing illegally (especially on our troops overseas) refusing to vote on 13 other bills but wasting everyone's time voting 33 times on ObamaCare. WTF.
With me it's just policy positions and specific action that gets my vote. This year will have me exactly equal in the number of times I've for a Dem & Repub for president.
I have a friend who is voting Romney. I completely respect his vote becuase of the policy positions and qualifications he cites. I may disagree but he's not some emotional whackjob.
I have a LOT of friends here in Vegas who are completely loyal to and voting for Ron Paul. I respect their vote as well.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Nope going with Romeny this time out of the two.

Many are.

 

[Bfgrn]

(re: OP) As a progressive Republican, I don't know if I'm more shocked at the rightward march of the corporate Republican party or the rightward march of the corporate Democratic party. Obama is to the right of Nixon on some issues and he is touted as a leftist socialist? (Nixon instituted the EPA!). Seriously?!, I think Obama is terrible CIC or national CEO, but good lordy, he's no Mephistopheles.

I am a JFK liberal who is old enough to remember voting for Liberal Republican Jacob Javits for Senator. A man LBJ and J Edgar Hoover thought was too liberal to serve on the Warren Commission.

There is no doubt the GOP has become far right extreme. But even the Democratic party have moved to the right. We saw how much power liberals and progressives have during the health care debate...NONE.

"Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the Republican party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them."
Barry Goldwater