The time has come to walk away from the Republican party

[Freewill]

No, the problems are not just one party. But the absolutists are mostly on the right, at least currently. Look at the disaster that is the ACA - the Dems wanted single payer, and they gave in all over the freakin' place. When Nancy Pelosi is looking like a statesman, something is seriously wrong.

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How when not one republican, in the Senate, voted for the bill can you say that the democrats gave in on anything? Hell they didn't even know what was in the bill until they passed it in the dark of night. Funny how the Republicans almost to a man opposed the bill yet they still get blamed for how FU the bill really is, simply amazing. The truth is that the democrats are not willing to compromise on anything. What the democrats want is not compromise but compilation. Resistance is a good thing at time, it keeps a car from going over a cliff.

Again, you provide a vivid example of my point. Us vs them, black & white, all or nothing.

But, again, I remain hopeful.

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This whole tread is nothing but and is nothing but a bunch of liberal BS masquerading as some Republican who has now seen the light. What light? The democrat party that has been in power for the last 6 years? The democrats that mock Republicans saying they can't win elections? Well the dems can't have it both ways, they are in and have been in power and if things are messed up it is all on them, that is the price of the power they destroyed the country to obtain.

 

[healthmyths]

Anything other than a vote for Romney is essentially a vote for Obama.

I made that mistake by voting for Perot... handed the WH to Clinton.

I was young, and idealistic... I am older and wiser now.

I can top you bad vote for Perot (I worked on his campaign!) by having stupidly voted for Carter!

In both cases I thought with them both being Navy officers they would be logic, intelligent and definitely knowledgeable! Well in Carter's case BOY did I learn and like you my Perot vote was a vote for CLINTON!
I bet MOST people don't know what has contributed to health care cost:

The Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA; Pub.L. 104-191, 110 Stat. 1936, enacted August 21, 1996).

According to a 2003 survey by Dr. Kilbridge, more than 70% of hospitals with less than 400
beds budget less than $100,000 per year for HIPAA compliance. As the number of beds
increases, this expense rises as well: nearly half of hospitals with more than 400 beds, for
example, spend from $100,000 to $500,000.

All due to Clinton's cost generating health care efforts.

and any time you go to your pharmacy check the line painted on the floor.. THANK HIPAA!

 

[Mac1958]

How when not one republican, in the Senate, voted for the bill can you say that the democrats gave in on anything? Hell they didn't even know what was in the bill until they passed it in the dark of night. Funny how the Republicans almost to a man opposed the bill yet they still get blamed for how FU the bill really is, simply amazing. The truth is that the democrats are not willing to compromise on anything. What the democrats want is not compromise but compilation. Resistance is a good thing at time, it keeps a car from going over a cliff.

Again, you provide a vivid example of my point. Us vs them, black & white, all or nothing.

But, again, I remain hopeful.

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This whole tread is nothing but and is nothing but a bunch of liberal BS masquerading as some Republican who has now seen the light. What light? The democrat party that has been in power for the last 6 years? The democrats that mock Republicans saying they can't win elections? Well the dems can't have it both ways, they are in and have been in power and if things are messed up it is all on them, that is the price of the power they destroyed the country to obtain.

As it turns out, we have a divided government. It's in the Constitution, I think.

And there are mechanisms built into our government that allow a minority party to gum up the works if it wants to, and if it stays organized. All one has to do is review the last 3 years for an example.

I know that you know this.

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[Freewill]

OK Dan, someone asked why I posted the voting results, the reason; I like dealing with truth no matter where the truth may lie. The truth is that the 2001 bill was overwhelmingly supported by the democrats: With 98 Senators voting for the 2001 act and 89 voting for the 2006 extension WITH OBAMA voting AYE. Hardly strong opposition. In congress it was a little bit different 2001 145/62 would you call that strong support? Certainly you must because you think that in 2006 a 66/124 split is overwhelming. So what are the facts, the democrats do what they always do, support the bill but play politics after that. "I voted for the war before voting against." Same BS over and over. So even though the Democrats played to their constituents in the house considering that the now POTUS voted in favor, yeah that is sure proof to me that the democrat party supported the bill counter to what you are trying to tell us Dan.

And BTW, since you are still posting I assume it wasn't you or your son who Obama dropped the predator missile. So what exact freedom have you lost due to the Patriot Act?

Might I also point out that for 3 years the democrats had control of Congress and could have passed anything but did not in this regard. For one full year they had control of both branches and still nothing. And where is the Constitutional challenge before the SCOTUS?

 

[healthmyths]

You provide a good example of my point.

I don't think that either party deserves "complete control". I'd prefer they cooperated like adults used to.

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I could not have provided a good example because you don't have a point other then repeating political talking points. There is little the government is going to do about the economic downturn in other countries and what we can do we have done. So your point is not made it isn't even stated. Political cooperation is how we got the Patriot act and the so called "free" trade agreements. It is not how we got Obamacare. Resistance is good it keeps us from going over a cliff. What we saw when one party controlled Congress was the economy crashing and burning and it was not the Pubs that were in control.

The stimulus passed. The Wall Street reform bills passed (Dodd-Frank), TARP passed, the auto industry, at least part was bailed out, unemployment benefits were extended, and we have plunged our children into untold debt over "shovel ready" projects. It is hard to see what else you think that the democrats need to screw up to try and make things better. All of that passed and yet we still have the longest and weakest recovery in history.

Tarp was a gimmee to the financial industry and enacted under bush and was/is nothing at all like the stim. Dodd/Frank, thanks to the con's has been basically defunded therefore has no teeth. Same goes for the Consumer Protection Act/Agency - defunded. The con's have also defunded portions of the Affordable Health Care Act/Obamacare and ultimate goal is to repeal it - and have wasted much time doing so. 33 times brought to the floor. They've also wasted time on contraception, abortion, etc.

The con's control the house of rep's which is controls the purse/wallet of the nation.

You obviously NEVER heard of the Economic Terrorist attack of 9/18/2008.

On Thursday (Sept 18,2008), at 11am the Federal Reserve noticed a tremendous draw-down of money market accounts in the U.S., to the tune of $550 billion was being drawn out in the matter of an hour or two. The Treasury ...
estimation is that by 2pm that afternoon, $5.5 trillion would have been drawn out of the money market system of the U.S., would have collapsed the entire economy of the U.S., and within 24 hours the world economy would have collapsed.
It would have been the end of our economic system and our political system as we know it.
Index of /blog

Do you and other un-illuminati understand therefore WHY TARP came about then?
The house of cards started to fall..
1) banks that bought CDS' had to make good.
2) started withdrawing CASH to cover.
3)Where was the cash.. MONEY MARKET funds

And what caused banks' CDS' to begin to fail?
1) 1991 court case forced CitiBank to make unqualified loans with Obama representing ACORN in the Buycks-Roberson v. Citibank Fed. Sav. Bank, 1994 suit .
2) Banks forced by FDIC auditors to explain how loans were made to unqualified people thus putting banks at risk therefore requiring FDIC takeovers.
3) Banks explain to government can't have it both ways so Fannie/Freddie buy the mortgages.
4) Fannie/Freddie resells based on "Full Faith and Credit of U.S. Government" guarantees of bad loans.
5) unqualified home flippers walk away from mortgages starting the domino affect.
6) Congress warned about Fannie/Freddie in 2003 and laughed saying no problem!
7) Sept 18,2008 $500 billion withdrawn from money market funds and economic collapse almost happens.

 

[Black_Label]

OK Dan, someone asked why I posted the voting results, the reason; I like dealing with truth no matter where the truth may lie. The truth is that the 2001 bill was overwhelmingly supported by the democrats: With 98 Senators voting for the 2001 act and 89 voting for the 2006 extension WITH OBAMA voting AYE. Hardly strong opposition. In congress it was a little bit different 2001 145/62 would you call that strong support? Certainly you must because you think that in 2006 a 66/124 split is overwhelming. So what are the facts, the democrats do what they always do, support the bill but play politics after that. "I voted for the war before voting against." Same BS over and over. So even though the Democrats played to their constituents in the house considering that the now POTUS voted in favor, yeah that is sure proof to me that the democrat party supported the bill counter to what you are trying to tell us Dan.

And BTW, since you are still posting I assume it wasn't you or your son who Obama dropped the predator missile. So what exact freedom have you lost due to the Patriot Act?

Might I also point out that for 3 years the democrats had control of Congress and could have passed anything but did not in this regard. For one full year they had control of both branches and still nothing. And where is the Constitutional challenge before the SCOTUS?

So let me get this straight,

2001, republicans present the most anti-constitution bill in history, all but 3 republicans support it, most dems did as well, but 62 voted against, and it was signed into law by a republican president = it's the dems fault

2006 renewal comes up, the democrats realize it's nothing but a huge government POS where they vote overwhelmingly against renewing it, 66/124, where the GOP thugs again vote overwhelming in favor of continuing to crap on the constitution, 214/13, then signed by the republican president = It's the dems fault.

2011 comes around and its up for renewal again. This time the "pro constitution!" "Less government!" teabaggers are in office, and from their rhetoric, you would think there would be no way in hell they would vote to renew, but they did the complete opposite. The dems again voted strongly against it with a vote of 65/117, and like predicted, the GOP/teabagger continue to strongly support taking a dump on the constitution with a vote of 210/72 = it's the dems fault

Are you mentally ill? the dems strongly voting against this monstrosity where the GOP/teabagger trash love huge government, wiping their asses with the constitution, and vote almost unanimously for it, and that means it's the dems fault? No wonder you are a far right wing hack.

 

[OODA_Loop]

2012 - Mitt Romney is the best choice of the two poor choices for the next 4 years.

End of Powerpoint.

 

[freedombecki]

Walked away from them after the sold me out, yet again, in '95.

Maybe if Scott Walker had got the nomination.......

I don't know what happened to you, Oddball. I'm so sorry. We need every conservative vote or we are likely to see four years of unfettered crimes against the Constitution.

The world has seen "I told you so" wealth-spreaders bring societies larger than ours to ruin along with millions of people slaughtered for political opposition to having their property removed from their possession.

What happened to me is that people who campaign like librarians and govern like the progressive/socialist democratics they claim to oppose make me want to puke.

Unfortunately, Vinnie Vitalis is cut from the same crappy cloth that the rest of the inside-the-beltway establishment elite are.

I guess it is part and parcel of the reaching across the aisle sham the press uses on conservatives, but not so much on liberals. In my lifetime I have seen one conservative President pilloried in the press beyond all reason claiming his policies withheld care for homeless people living on the streets. His only chance for re-election was to spend billions on getting them off the streets, bolstering retraining avenues, agreeing to pressure from the left on relaxing restrictions of bank repossessions of properties and guaranteeing loans far beyond proprietary ability to collect at a profit.

By the time the press was done with him, nobody remembered his WWII hero days when he lost all his buds and almost died himself on one military excursion that went on for grueling weeks as he eschewed enemy attacks and isolation. Nobody. Instead, he was painted as idle rich, parsimonious, when it was convenient and a sell-out at the other.

If this bullcrap press doesn't stop, people are going to go for kings and queens again. We've almost got one now.

Keep holding your boot to their necks in revenge, and the bolshevik Revolution will look like a boyscout outing next to what's in store for us with the redistribution of wealth getting ready to kick up to high gear when there are no restraints on Obama for the next 4 years if he wins.

Freedom will be history in that unfortunate event.

I cannot ask a man, however, to go against his conscience when it is so strong. Especially when he is so generous with his time and talent here, possibly the last outpost of not criminalized free speech in the world albeit for short duration. We see other countries completely closing down communication avenues in coup times. We're not immune from people so ambitious for power they'd remove the Bill of Rights freedoms, claiming it necessary for a time of war in which civil relations are separated into poles.

I cannot ask a man who'd just then be angry at me when conservatives were once again threatened with political annihilation if they won, tried to implement conservatism, and the press threw out its marxist-loving stumbling blocks for them yet again.

I can only ask that you do the math of worst case scenarios and make your own decision about what you would like to see in the future.

I do agree with you, however about Scott Walker. He'd be the best man if he could avoid assassination.

 

[GuyPinestra]

I am sure you will get people who will tell you that you MUST vote for Obama or Romney. Screw them. I don't recall the part where the Founding Fathers fought for your right to vote for one of two people that someone else likes.

My first vote was for Reagan. So was my second. My 3rd and 4th were for Bush (the good one, not the idiot). This year i will vote for Obama, based on the policy positions of both he and the GOP regarding Dodd-Frank, The Dems presenting tax breaks for giving back jobs to Americans and the GOP fighting those tax breaks (friggin' hypocrites), passing the bill to stop the banks from illegally foreclosing on homes, and the things that Obama has accomplished with foreign policy and defense.
I'm not voting GOP based on their positions on GLB, Outsourcing, Offshoring 100% domestically earned income, refusing to vote on the Jobs Act, voting against the bills that halted the banks forelcosing illegally (especially on our troops overseas) refusing to vote on 13 other bills but wasting everyone's time voting 33 times on ObamaCare. WTF.
With me it's just policy positions and specific action that gets my vote. This year will have me exactly equal in the number of times I've for a Dem & Repub for president.
I have a friend who is voting Romney. I completely respect his vote becuase of the policy positions and qualifications he cites. I may disagree but he's not some emotional whackjob.
I have a LOT of friends here in Vegas who are completely loyal to and voting for Ron Paul. I respect their vote as well.

Hey IL, check out my sig line!!

 

[Freewill]

Romney is doing nothing but being the pied piper playing his flute to lead the rats.

Romney was the father of the ACA, and has even stated he's a progressive, there is no way in hell he would repeal the ACA. Not to mention when he doesn't (theoretically speaking as he won't get elected), would the GOP trash suddenly grow a brain and start voting (D)? Of course not, they will still be obedient (R) sheep and he, plus the GOP establishment knows it.

Just look at the teabaggers for example. They ran on a platform of "less spending!" "less government!" "pro constitution!" When key votes came up such as the constitution shredding and huge government patriot act renewal, the teabaggers would never in a million years to support it, right?
Nope, they almost all voted for it just like the GOP thugs.

How about the huge government and anti-freedom NDAA? Just like a patriot act, the GOP/teabaggers voted in favor of it.

Also the nation's credit downgrade issue. The teabaggers/GOP refused to cut their insane spending, which got the nation's credit downgraded. And here I though the teabaggers were all about less spending?

After all this, the tea party showing beyond all doubt they flat out lied to their voters, by when in office voted for the complete opposite of what they ran on would be complete political suicide right?

Not at all, the teabaggers could care less, and still support them, further confirming the fact that right wingers are completely brainwashed morons that will vote (R) no matter how much they are lied to, shit on, or otherwise violated.

May I point out for you edification that the Tea Party is not a real political party? That they don't vote on anything much like the OWS except the Tea Party is peaceful? The democrats have controlled congress since 2006 except for the last year. What did they do to curb spending? Absolutely nothing they went the other way which resulted in the longest and weakest recovery in history. The facts bare me out, you just make it up as you go.

They do control the agenda of the con party.

The dem's HAVE NOT controlled the Congress since 06. The rest of your tripe is....well.....just that - tripe.

Do you know what a filibuster is? Do you know how a filibuster works?

Something very wrong with your memory. In 2006 the House was controlled by Pelosi, the Senate controlled by Reid. Obamacare passed only by Reid playing games because Kennedy died and Scott was able to win the seat because Mass. wanted no parts of Obamacare but it was too late. Up until that time they had a filibuster proof Senate. Then the people spoke but they left the democrats in control of the Senate and provided some balance in the House but that has only been for one year. When Obama took control Congress, with a filibuster proof majority, it was controlled by the Democrats they could have done whatever they wanted. Instead of jobs bills they passed Obamatax, that is all they concentrated on, now they want to blame Republicans. BS on that.

 

[Wolfstrike]

any ADVANTAGE anyone thinks Romney is going to supply is completely imaginary.

in many ways, Romney is already too much of a clone of Obama,
1) his family denounced America and moved to Mexico, because of America's anti-polygamy laws, (and in Mexico they got run out of town)
2) his father was born in Mexico and tried to run for President
3) Romney passed health care in Massachusetts

Romney thinks he's the smartest person in the world, because he signed health care into law and catapulted himself into the Presidential nominee as a direct reward.
he doesn't care about America. this is the place where he makes his fortune off the suckers and gets to run for president for his own name.

Romney passes health care then tells people he's going to over turn it.
what are we?
5 years old?
are we going to get a lollipop if he wins too?
a politician would NEVER lie.

Michelle Bachmann said we need to vote for Romney so the VP can cast a majority vote and over turn health care.
she's being naive.
after all that unconstitutional BS they did, they're not going to allow a VP to over-turn the bill, this is exactly why Romney (the guy who passed heath care, ...let me remind you again) was selected in the first place.
Michelle Bachmann would do this country a greater service telling people to abandon the Republican party.
after this is all over, Obama is re-elected, and health care is completly implemented, people like Michelle Bachmann trow up their hands , say "the system is corrupt" and disappear from politics.
she should be doing to the right thing, right now.

i hope Republicans remember this losing 2012 election as a big lesson.
every time you listen to the media and stop voting for pro-American candidates because they are "too radical", it means you're going to lose.
every time you listen to the media and stop voting for pro-American candidates because they are "too wierd", it means you're going to lose.
every time you vote for a Republican that "reaches across the isle", it means you are going to lose.

i will now PROVE to you that every thing i say is correct.
what happened the last time we voted for a stooge because he was the "lesser of two evils"?
we elected George Bush because is was important we didn't lose the Supreme Court, and what happened?
guys like Roberts and Kennedy side with the Marxists anyways.
why? because we keep placing our faith in traitors.

seriously, how many times are we going to keep walking into walls before we use the door?


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