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Usually when I see McCarthy's name mentioned, it is in connection with the Hollywood blacklist, which he had nothing to do with.
There were CPUSA members in DC and in Hollywood. They were sneaking, lying, conniving, weasly bullies. That they crumbled in the face of opposition, as much from Ronald Reagan as Joe McCarthy, does not make them harmless.
Usually when I see McCarthy's name mentioned, it is in connection with the Hollywood blacklist, which he had nothing to do with.
There were CPUSA members in DC and in Hollywood. They were sneaking, lying, conniving, weasly bullies. That they crumbled in the face of opposition, as much from Ronald Reagan as Joe McCarthy, does not make them harmless.
Don't take Samson at face,
he is fully aware of the threat posed by Communism of that era... he's just playing and refusing to accept all of my documentation.
Which is good, as it allows me to post info that most folks are not aware of.
Plus, he's drunk.
I'm dead serious. And please, don't call me...oh screw it.
SHIRLEY!!!
I knew you'd bite!!!!
I'm dead serious. And please, don't call me...oh screw it.
SHIRLEY!!!
I knew you'd bite!!!!
Congrats. You wanna beer?
Usually when I see McCarthy's name mentioned, it is in connection with the Hollywood blacklist, which he had nothing to do with.
There were CPUSA members in DC and in Hollywood. They were sneaking, lying, conniving, weasly bullies. That they crumbled in the face of opposition, as much from Ronald Reagan as Joe McCarthy, does not make them harmless.
Don't take Samson at face,
he is fully aware of the threat posed by Communism of that era... he's just playing and refusing to accept all of my documentation.
Which is good, as it allows me to post info that most folks are not aware of.
Plus, he's drunk.
SHIRLEY!!!
I knew you'd bite!!!!
Congrats. You wanna beer?
I never turn down free beer, unless PoliticalChic offers.
I suspect she's peeing in it.
SHIRLEY!!!
I knew you'd bite!!!!
Congrats. You wanna beer?
I never turn down free beer, unless PoliticalChic offers.
I suspect she's peeing in it.
Usually when I see McCarthy's name mentioned, it is in connection with the Hollywood blacklist, which he had nothing to do with.
There were CPUSA members in DC and in Hollywood. They were sneaking, lying, conniving, weasly bullies. That they crumbled in the face of opposition, as much from Ronald Reagan as Joe McCarthy, does not make them harmless.
Don't take Samson at face,
he is fully aware of the threat posed by Communism of that era... he's just playing and refusing to accept all of my documentation.
Which is good, as it allows me to post info that most folks are not aware of.
Plus, he's drunk.
Well he's a fun drunk, anyway. It's easy to laugh now about the CPUSA of the 40s and 50s, considering how they've been made to look like old ladies at an afternoon tea.
And I'm enjoying your posts.
Don't take Samson at face,
he is fully aware of the threat posed by Communism of that era... he's just playing and refusing to accept all of my documentation.
Which is good, as it allows me to post info that most folks are not aware of.
Plus, he's drunk.
Well he's a fun drunk, anyway. It's easy to laugh now about the CPUSA of the 40s and 50s, considering how they've been made to look like old ladies at an afternoon tea.
And I'm enjoying your posts.
Thanks, I really like posting about subjects in which I have an interest.
And Beer-boy allowed me the opportunity.
I was expecting the libs to defend the Dem party, yell and scream about McCarthy, but they seem less than interested.
I may have to post a response to my own posts!
Well he's a fun drunk, anyway. It's easy to laugh now about the CPUSA of the 40s and 50s, considering how they've been made to look like old ladies at an afternoon tea.
And I'm enjoying your posts.
Thanks, I really like posting about subjects in which I have an interest.
And Beer-boy allowed me the opportunity.
I was expecting the libs to defend the Dem party, yell and scream about McCarthy, but they seem less than interested.
I may have to post a response to my own posts!
Shhh! He's dozing.
I think so many people have heard the Hollywood sob stories and revised histories that the truth about McCarthy was lost long ago. Somebody mentioned Ann Coulter's having put the record strait. I agree. He wasn't a saint, but he wasn't the drunken witch-hunter he's painted to be, either.
Communists who attempted to give aid and comfort to a blood-soaked ideology?
He ruined no innocent lives.
Am I the only person to see the irony that PC is defending a guy and his ideology that is probably as close to Communism as anything that has ever been part of the American political landscape?
Now, can you identify ONE SPY that McCarthy found?
Until this moment, Senator, I think I have never really gauged your cruelty or your recklessness. Fred Fisher is a young man who went to the Harvard Law School and came into my firm and is starting what looks to be a brilliant career with us. Little did I dream you could be so reckless and so cruel as to do an injury to that lad. It is true that he will continue to be with Hale and Dorr. It is, I regret to say, equally true that I fear he shall always bear a scar needlessly inflicted by you. If it were in my power to forgive you for your reckless cruelty I would do so. I like to think that I am a gentle man but your forgiveness will have to come from someone other than me.
Senator, may we not drop this? We know he belonged to the Lawyers Guild. Let us not assassinate this lad further, Senator. You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir? At long last, have you left no sense of decency?
The Senator has been the subject of attack, not because of a kernel of truth in his arguments, but because he exposed the liberals and Democrats as accepting the precepts of Communism, and still do.
If you really and truly think this is why he came under attack, you're sadly mistaken. I also have to question if you're a liberal and authoritarian as a Conservative would understand that the real reason McCarthy came under attack is that he attempted to circumvent the criminal system, criminalize the 5th Ammendment, and add strong authoritative powers to the Federal Government that constituted a threat to the liberty of every man woman and child in the USA.
That isn't an over statement. If McCarthy's actions had gained long term support imagine just how much abuse the current Democratic controlled Senate and House could hand out to their political opponents.
There's a reason that McCarthy's actions are villified. Namely, even if he found a few Communists (and even a blind squirrel finds a nut if they look hard enough), he violated our long standing traditions and notions of justice to do so.
People that support McCarthyism ARE NOT CONSERVATIVES and have no room to claim to be so. Supporting un-Constitutional expansions of power at the Federal level make you a neocon.
"...the real reason McCarthy came under attack is that he attempted to circumvent the criminal system, criminalize the 5th Ammendment, and add strong authoritative powers to the Federal Government..."
Instead of vague jargon of the left, please, if you can, show exactly what it is that Senator McCarthy did that you find objectionable.
No babble.
Specifics.
Now, can you identify ONE SPY that McCarthy found?
And that's the bottom line, right there.
That number? 0
Conservatives can try to re-write history all they want, but McCarthy earned his rightful spot as a shameless demagogue who ruthlessly trashed innocent people to propel his own political career. His "list" consisted of a bizarre compilations of names that were derived out of hearsay, rumors, and the most scant of evidence. McCarthy was never interested in the American concept of justice or due process.
My 90+ year old grandmother (who is no liberal, believe me), had an interesting theory about McCarthy's meteoric fall. She said that television is what did him in. According to her, prior to the Army hearings, McCarthy was principally broadcast on the radio. People heard "Tailgunner Joe" and made him out, in their minds, to be this noble crusader against communism. However, the Army/McCarthy hearings were broadcasts and everyone got to see McCarthy for what he was a "hissin' possum" (the words of my grandmother).
Of course, if there were any merit to the claims that McCarthy was something more than a drunk opportunist, then the GOP would embrace him as a hero, as opposed to shunning him.
McCarthy's fall came at a flash at an almost Hollywood-esque dialogue from Joseph N. Welch, head council for the United States Army.
Until this moment, Senator, I think I have never really gauged your cruelty or your recklessness. Fred Fisher is a young man who went to the Harvard Law School and came into my firm and is starting what looks to be a brilliant career with us. Little did I dream you could be so reckless and so cruel as to do an injury to that lad. It is true that he will continue to be with Hale and Dorr. It is, I regret to say, equally true that I fear he shall always bear a scar needlessly inflicted by you. If it were in my power to forgive you for your reckless cruelty I would do so. I like to think that I am a gentle man but your forgiveness will have to come from someone other than me.
Senator, may we not drop this? We know he belonged to the Lawyers Guild. Let us not assassinate this lad further, Senator. You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir? At long last, have you left no sense of decency?
Now, can you identify ONE SPY that McCarthy found?
And that's the bottom line, right there.
That number? 0
Conservatives can try to re-write history all they want, but McCarthy earned his rightful spot as a shameless demagogue who ruthlessly trashed innocent people to propel his own political career. His "list" consisted of a bizarre compilations of names that were derived out of hearsay, rumors, and the most scant of evidence. McCarthy was never interested in the American concept of justice or due process.
My 90+ year old grandmother (who is no liberal, believe me), had an interesting theory about McCarthy's meteoric fall. She said that television is what did him in. According to her, prior to the Army hearings, McCarthy was principally broadcast on the radio. People heard "Tailgunner Joe" and made him out, in their minds, to be this noble crusader against communism. However, the Army/McCarthy hearings were broadcasts and everyone got to see McCarthy for what he was a "hissin' possum" (the words of my grandmother).
Of course, if there were any merit to the claims that McCarthy was something more than a drunk opportunist, then the GOP would embrace him as a hero, as opposed to shunning him.
McCarthy's fall came at a flash at an almost Hollywood-esque dialogue from Joseph N. Welch, head council for the United States Army.
Until this moment, Senator, I think I have never really gauged your cruelty or your recklessness. Fred Fisher is a young man who went to the Harvard Law School and came into my firm and is starting what looks to be a brilliant career with us. Little did I dream you could be so reckless and so cruel as to do an injury to that lad. It is true that he will continue to be with Hale and Dorr. It is, I regret to say, equally true that I fear he shall always bear a scar needlessly inflicted by you. If it were in my power to forgive you for your reckless cruelty I would do so. I like to think that I am a gentle man but your forgiveness will have to come from someone other than me.
Senator, may we not drop this? We know he belonged to the Lawyers Guild. Let us not assassinate this lad further, Senator. You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir? At long last, have you left no sense of decency?
From the bold, willowy beauty, herself:
"Among the Soviet operatives who had been in government jobs and named by McCarthy were T.A. Bisson, Mary Jane Keeney, Cedric Belfrage, Solomon Adler, Franz Neumann, Leonard Mins, Gustavo Duran, and William Remington (later killed with a bar of soap in prison by a patriotic inmate)." [Ann Coulter Treason, pp 59-60]
His whole gig was identifying loyalty risks who were working for the government. It is interesting to note, too, that he refused to name names outside of closed session, until compelled to do so by the democrats.
335-page report on information furnished by Elizabeth Bentley (Gregory) and follow-up through FBI surveillance concerning the Silvermaster Group, (Lauchlin Currie, Harry Dexter White, etc.), the Perlo Group (Alger Hiss, etc.), and others. Discusses contacts of Mary Jane Keeney with Joseph Bernstein, David Wahl, Maurice Halperin, etc
In February 1950, Senator Joseph McCarthy accused Keeney of being a member of the Communist Party, not an agent serving a foreign government. By the end of 1950, Keeney lost her position with the United Nations. She was convicted of contempt of Congress, however the decision was overturned upon appeal.
And that's the bottom line, right there.
That number? 0
Conservatives can try to re-write history all they want, but McCarthy earned his rightful spot as a shameless demagogue who ruthlessly trashed innocent people to propel his own political career. His "list" consisted of a bizarre compilations of names that were derived out of hearsay, rumors, and the most scant of evidence. McCarthy was never interested in the American concept of justice or due process.
My 90+ year old grandmother (who is no liberal, believe me), had an interesting theory about McCarthy's meteoric fall. She said that television is what did him in. According to her, prior to the Army hearings, McCarthy was principally broadcast on the radio. People heard "Tailgunner Joe" and made him out, in their minds, to be this noble crusader against communism. However, the Army/McCarthy hearings were broadcasts and everyone got to see McCarthy for what he was a "hissin' possum" (the words of my grandmother).
Of course, if there were any merit to the claims that McCarthy was something more than a drunk opportunist, then the GOP would embrace him as a hero, as opposed to shunning him.
McCarthy's fall came at a flash at an almost Hollywood-esque dialogue from Joseph N. Welch, head council for the United States Army.
From the bold, willowy beauty, herself:
"Among the Soviet operatives who had been in government jobs and named by McCarthy were T.A. Bisson, Mary Jane Keeney, Cedric Belfrage, Solomon Adler, Franz Neumann, Leonard Mins, Gustavo Duran, and William Remington (later killed with a bar of soap in prison by a patriotic inmate)." [Ann Coulter Treason, pp 59-60]
His whole gig was identifying loyalty risks who were working for the government. It is interesting to note, too, that he refused to name names outside of closed session, until compelled to do so by the democrats.
You make me sad.
First, even PC says that Coulter is a babbling idiot 50% of the time.
Then you use Coulter as a resource.
But I gave you both the benefit of the doubt, and briefly researched Mary Jane Keeney.
I admit that finding an unbias source is problematic.
In 1946 the FBI generated a:
335-page report on information furnished by Elizabeth Bentley (“Gregory”and follow-up through FBI surveillance concerning the Silvermaster Group, (Lauchlin Currie, Harry Dexter White, etc.), the Perlo Group (Alger Hiss, etc.), and others. Discusses contacts of Mary Jane Keeney with Joseph Bernstein, David Wahl, Maurice Halperin, etc
From the dubious wikipedia;
In February 1950, Senator Joseph McCarthy accused Keeney of being a member of the Communist Party, not an agent serving a foreign government. By the end of 1950, Keeney lost her position with the United Nations. She was convicted of contempt of Congress, however the decision was overturned upon appeal.
Either way, you have been duped: Mary Jane Keeny was never convicted or exposed of treason as a spy, much less by McCarthy, and her only conviction (contempt of Congress) was overturned.
From the bold, willowy beauty, herself:
"Among the Soviet operatives who had been in government jobs and named by McCarthy were T.A. Bisson, Mary Jane Keeney, Cedric Belfrage, Solomon Adler, Franz Neumann, Leonard Mins, Gustavo Duran, and William Remington (later killed with a bar of soap in prison by a patriotic inmate)." [Ann Coulter Treason, pp 59-60]
His whole gig was identifying loyalty risks who were working for the government. It is interesting to note, too, that he refused to name names outside of closed session, until compelled to do so by the democrats.
You make me sad.
First, even PC says that Coulter is a babbling idiot 50% of the time.
Then you use Coulter as a resource.
But I gave you both the benefit of the doubt, and briefly researched Mary Jane Keeney.
I admit that finding an unbias source is problematic.
In 1946 the FBI generated a:
From the dubious wikipedia;
In February 1950, Senator Joseph McCarthy accused Keeney of being a member of the Communist Party, not an agent serving a foreign government. By the end of 1950, Keeney lost her position with the United Nations. She was convicted of contempt of Congress, however the decision was overturned upon appeal.
Either way, you have been duped: Mary Jane Keeny was never convicted or exposed of treason as a spy, much less by McCarthy, and her only conviction (contempt of Congress) was overturned.
Why so serious?
On page 65, Ann quotes McCarthy thusly, referencing Buckley and Bozell as the quote source:
"I have enough to convince me that either they are members of the Communist Party or they have given great aid to the Communists: I may be wrong. that is why I said that unless the Senate demanded that I do so, I would not submit this publicly...It is possible that some of these persons will get a clean bill of health."
For my Wiki research subject, I chose William Remington. Now THIS should make you sad:
William Walter Remington (October 25, 1917 November 24, 1954) was an economist employed in various federal government positions until his career was interrupted by accusations of espionage made by the Soviet spy and defector Elizabeth Bentley. He was convicted of perjury in connection with these charges in 1953, and murdered in prison in 1954. His death has been cited as one of the few murders attributable to McCarthyism.[2]
Acting on Bentley's information, the FBI began a secret surveillance of Remington in late 1945.
You make me sad.
First, even PC says that Coulter is a babbling idiot 50% of the time.
Then you use Coulter as a resource.
But I gave you both the benefit of the doubt, and briefly researched Mary Jane Keeney.
I admit that finding an unbias source is problematic.
In 1946 the FBI generated a:
From the dubious wikipedia;
Either way, you have been duped: Mary Jane Keeny was never convicted or exposed of treason as a spy, much less by McCarthy, and her only conviction (contempt of Congress) was overturned.
Why so serious?
On page 65, Ann quotes McCarthy thusly, referencing Buckley and Bozell as the quote source:
"I have enough to convince me that either they are members of the Communist Party or they have given great aid to the Communists: I may be wrong. that is why I said that unless the Senate demanded that I do so, I would not submit this publicly...It is possible that some of these persons will get a clean bill of health."
For my Wiki research subject, I chose William Remington. Now THIS should make you sad:
William Walter Remington (October 25, 1917 November 24, 1954) was an economist employed in various federal government positions until his career was interrupted by accusations of espionage made by the Soviet spy and defector Elizabeth Bentley. He was convicted of perjury in connection with these charges in 1953, and murdered in prison in 1954. His death has been cited as one of the few murders attributable to McCarthyism.[2]
I fascinated that both you and PC seem enamoured of the same heresay McCarthy (Coulter?) quote, where he admits he's an idiot that casts a broad net, and catches....NOTHING!
At any rate, Wiki, as I said, is a somewhat disingenuous source, but like PoliticalChick, its cheap and easy. Even it makes the point that William Remmington was being investigated long before McCarthy began his witch-hunt:
Acting on Bentley's information, the FBI began a secret surveillance of Remington in late 1945.
McCarthy found nothing.
