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PC dreams of a day when proving someone is a liberal makes them guilty of a crime.According to liberal mythology, Annie Lee Moss, a semi-literate black wash-woman, was hauled before the committee and accused of being a Communist. Moss, in fact, had been absolutely identified as a Communist Party member by a reliable FBI informant. (David Oshinsky, A Conspiracy So Immense). She was listed in the Communist Partys records. The Party newspaper, the Daily Worker, was delivered to her home- and followed when she moved. (Rogers v. Communist Party of the United States, Subversive Activities Control Board, September 19, 1958). And, Annie Lee Moss was also working in the Code Room of the Pentagon. At the hearings, Ms. Moss mentioned that there were three other people named Annie Lee Moss in the Washington, DC phonebook. The press, of course, accepted this and called McCarty a demagogue.
Of course, none of the press looked in the phonebook: there were not three other Annie Lee Moss- just one. At 72 R Street, SW. The same address listed in the Communist Party records. (Thomas C. Reeves, The Life and Times of Joe McCarthy, p.568-569) Even after the hearings, and the Rosenberg Case, the Army rehired her.
The myth was projected by a Broadway play, A Question of Loyalty, in which a phonebook actually had three Moss.
Provide proof she broke the law.
In her mind, anyone that every belonged to the CP should be shot.
McCarthys primary goal was not to expose individual Communists, he was simply demanding of the liberal establishment: Why were they sheltering traitors?
Glad you liked the peppers: you look good in red.
The Senator has been the subject of attack, not because of a kernel of truth in his arguments, but because he exposed the liberals and Democrats as accepting the precepts of Communism, and still do.
If you really and truly think this is why he came under attack, you're sadly mistaken. I also have to question if you're a liberal and authoritarian as a Conservative would understand that the real reason McCarthy came under attack is that he attempted to circumvent the criminal system, criminalize the 5th Ammendment, and add strong authoritative powers to the Federal Government that constituted a threat to the liberty of every man woman and child in the USA.
That isn't an over statement. If McCarthy's actions had gained long term support imagine just how much abuse the current Democratic controlled Senate and House could hand out to their political opponents.
There's a reason that McCarthy's actions are villified. Namely, even if he found a few Communists (and even a blind squirrel finds a nut if they look hard enough), he violated our long standing traditions and notions of justice to do so.
People that support McCarthyism ARE NOT CONSERVATIVES and have no room to claim to be so. Supporting un-Constitutional expansions of power at the Federal level make you a neocon.
Let me tell you a big lie...
I think the others on this thread are whipping you too hard as it is.Let me tell you a big lie...
At your level, emoticons are far more suitable than dialogue.
If you have an opinion, rather than a total acceptance of the liberal line, please specify your problem with Senator McCarthy.
Silence will be acceptable.
"...the real reason McCarthy came under attack is that he attempted to circumvent the criminal system, criminalize the 5th Ammendment, and add strong authoritative powers to the Federal Government..."
Instead of vague jargon of the left, please, if you can, show exactly what it is that Senator McCarthy did that you find objectionable.
No babble.
Specifics.
PC dreams of a day when proving someone is a liberal makes them guilty of a crime.According to liberal mythology, Annie Lee Moss, a semi-literate black wash-woman, was hauled before the committee and accused of being a Communist. Moss, in fact, had been absolutely identified as a Communist Party member by a reliable FBI informant. (David Oshinsky, A Conspiracy So Immense). She was listed in the Communist Partys records. The Party newspaper, the Daily Worker, was delivered to her home- and followed when she moved. (Rogers v. Communist Party of the United States, Subversive Activities Control Board, September 19, 1958). And, Annie Lee Moss was also working in the Code Room of the Pentagon. At the hearings, Ms. Moss mentioned that there were three other people named Annie Lee Moss in the Washington, DC phonebook. The press, of course, accepted this and called McCarty a demagogue.
Of course, none of the press looked in the phonebook: there were not three other Annie Lee Moss- just one. At 72 R Street, SW. The same address listed in the Communist Party records. (Thomas C. Reeves, The Life and Times of Joe McCarthy, p.568-569) Even after the hearings, and the Rosenberg Case, the Army rehired her.
The myth was projected by a Broadway play, A Question of Loyalty, in which a phonebook actually had three Moss.
Provide proof she broke the law.
In her mind, anyone that every belonged to the CP should be shot.
According to liberal mythology, Annie Lee Moss, a semi-literate black wash-woman, was hauled before the committee and accused of being a Communist. Moss, in fact, had been absolutely identified as a Communist Party member by a reliable FBI informant. (David Oshinsky, A Conspiracy So Immense). She was listed in the Communist Partys records. The Party newspaper, the Daily Worker, was delivered to her home- and followed when she moved. (Rogers v. Communist Party of the United States, Subversive Activities Control Board, September 19, 1958). And, Annie Lee Moss was also working in the Code Room of the Pentagon. At the hearings, Ms. Moss mentioned that there were three other people named Annie Lee Moss in the Washington, DC phonebook. The press, of course, accepted this and called McCarty a demagogue.
Of course, none of the press looked in the phonebook: there were not three other Annie Lee Moss- just one. At 72 R Street, SW. The same address listed in the Communist Party records. (Thomas C. Reeves, The Life and Times of Joe McCarthy, p.568-569) Even after the hearings, and the Rosenberg Case, the Army rehired her.
The myth was projected by a Broadway play, A Question of Loyalty, in which a phonebook actually had three Moss.
Provide proof she broke the law.
PC dreams of a day when proving someone is a liberal makes them guilty of a crime.Provide proof she broke the law.
In her mind, anyone that every belonged to the CP should be shot.
IF that is true, then quite simply she is un-American. It is impossible to support criminalizing dissent and support a free Republic. It is just as impossible to support trying to limit dissent and support a free Republic.
PC, your thoughts on Ravi's accusation?
According to liberal mythology, Annie Lee Moss, a semi-literate black wash-woman, was hauled before the committee and accused of being a Communist. Moss, in fact, had been absolutely identified as a Communist Party member by a reliable FBI informant. (David Oshinsky, A Conspiracy So Immense). She was listed in the Communist Partys records. The Party newspaper, the Daily Worker, was delivered to her home- and followed when she moved. (Rogers v. Communist Party of the United States, Subversive Activities Control Board, September 19, 1958). And, Annie Lee Moss was also working in the Code Room of the Pentagon. At the hearings, Ms. Moss mentioned that there were three other people named Annie Lee Moss in the Washington, DC phonebook. The press, of course, accepted this and called McCarty a demagogue.
Of course, none of the press looked in the phonebook: there were not three other Annie Lee Moss- just one. At 72 R Street, SW. The same address listed in the Communist Party records. (Thomas C. Reeves, The Life and Times of Joe McCarthy, p.568-569) Even after the hearings, and the Rosenberg Case, the Army rehired her.
The myth was projected by a Broadway play, A Question of Loyalty, in which a phonebook actually had three Moss.
Provide proof she broke the law.
Dr., your argument is sorely limited by not understanding the debate.
This from my earlier post:
" McCarthys primary goal was not to expose individual Communists, he was simply demanding of the liberal establishment: Why were they sheltering traitors? It was the exact same point Eisenhower was making when he directed Attorney General Brownell to inform the public that President Truman had wittingly place a Soviet spy in a key position at the IMF For decades, people who should not have been allowed anywhere a government job were strolling into sensitive positions with the US government. For the most part, accusations were not aimed at sending the accused to a gulag, only to private practice."
Now, if that is clear, answer this:
If Ms. Moss was a 'card-carrying' member of the Communist Party, which she was, do you think that the Army was living up to its duty by allowing her in the code room of the Pentagon?
Your answer to this will, indeed, be telling.
PC dreams of a day when proving someone is a liberal makes them guilty of a crime.
In her mind, anyone that every belonged to the CP should be shot.
IF that is true, then quite simply she is un-American. It is impossible to support criminalizing dissent and support a free Republic. It is just as impossible to support trying to limit dissent and support a free Republic.
PC, your thoughts on Ravi's accusation?
I accept that she was un-American, not a loyal American, and whatever permutation you wish.
Now tell me if she should be employed by the government in sensitive positions.
If your answer is the oh-so-logical "perhaps not," then you agree with the campaign of Senator McCarthy.
McCarthys primary goal was not to expose individual Communists, he was simply demanding of the liberal establishment: Why were they sheltering traitors?
Glad you liked the peppers: you look good in red.
So, McCarthy didn't find anyone more guilty of being a "red" than I, and that's only because of the peppers.
Now, fetch me another beer.
I think the others on this thread are whipping you too hard as it is.
At your level, emoticons are far more suitable than dialogue.
If you have an opinion, rather than a total acceptance of the liberal line, please specify your problem with Senator McCarthy.
Silence will be acceptable.
You have a very un-American attitude, just like your hero Ann Coulter.
"...the real reason McCarthy came under attack is that he attempted to circumvent the criminal system, criminalize the 5th Ammendment, and add strong authoritative powers to the Federal Government..."
Instead of vague jargon of the left, please, if you can, show exactly what it is that Senator McCarthy did that you find objectionable.
No babble.
Specifics.
I can't help your reading comprehension. That is exactly what McCarthy tried to do. The exact list.
If you don't understand it, I suggest you go back and read the transcripts and the history.
Now, I know you are capable of a higher level of articulation than that...
...the real reason McCarthy came under attack is that he attempted to circumvent the criminal system, criminalize the 5th Ammendment, and add strong authoritative powers to the Federal Government...
Provide proof she broke the law.
Dr., your argument is sorely limited by not understanding the debate.
This from my earlier post:
" McCarthys primary goal was not to expose individual Communists, he was simply demanding of the liberal establishment: Why were they sheltering traitors? It was the exact same point Eisenhower was making when he directed Attorney General Brownell to inform the public that President Truman had wittingly place a Soviet spy in a key position at the IMF For decades, people who should not have been allowed anywhere a government job were strolling into sensitive positions with the US government. For the most part, accusations were not aimed at sending the accused to a gulag, only to private practice."
Now, if that is clear, answer this:
If Ms. Moss was a 'card-carrying' member of the Communist Party, which she was, do you think that the Army was living up to its duty by allowing her in the code room of the Pentagon?
Your answer to this will, indeed, be telling.
First up, there was no proof that Ms. Moss was a card carrying member of the Communist Party at the time of her employment in the Army. The most that could be said is that she came in contact with the Party when she was younger. It is strongly suspected that she left the Communist party long before her employment in the Army.
If the most you have as proof is a magazine suscription following her, then I submit you have never been an alumni of a University or College. The alumni mailings have a bad tendancy to find you anywhere. After Katrina the one piece of mail that could find me monthly, despite my best attempts at letting bill collectors know my current location, was the alumni newsletter. And I was trying to lose them.
In addition, there was never a single shred of proof that Ms. Moss ever posed a security risk, ever acted untoward, or was even in the same room as a decrypted message or the means to decrypt them.
If you consider Ms. Moss a vindication of McCarthy, I strongly suggest you put down your copy of "Treason" and pick up a few books. Or look up the McCarthy transcripts.
IF that is true, then quite simply she is un-American. It is impossible to support criminalizing dissent and support a free Republic. It is just as impossible to support trying to limit dissent and support a free Republic.
PC, your thoughts on Ravi's accusation?
I accept that she was un-American, not a loyal American, and whatever permutation you wish.
Now tell me if she should be employed by the government in sensitive positions.
If your answer is the oh-so-logical "perhaps not," then you agree with the campaign of Senator McCarthy.
Its unfortunate that McCarthy didn't limit himself to governmental jobs. He also went after Americans not affiliated with the security appartatus in any way shape or form.
And as for Ms. Moss, provide proof she was a security threat. Or that she was even active in the Communist Party at the time of her employment.
McCarthys primary goal was not to expose individual Communists, he was simply demanding of the liberal establishment: Why were they sheltering traitors?
Glad you liked the peppers: you look good in red.
So, McCarthy didn't find anyone more guilty of being a "red" than I, and that's only because of the peppers.
Now, fetch me another beer.
You are particularly dense this day.
A member of Communist Party in the code room of the Pentagon is fine with you?
And chew on this one, Owen Lattimore..
What happened to Ms.Moss?
Moss had been suspended from her position when McCarthy announced his interest in the case. In January 1955 she was rehired to a non-sensitive position in the army's finance and accounts office, and she remained an army clerk until her retirement in 1975 at age sixty-nine. She died in 1996.
Please provide your information that supports this post.
Exercising Fifth Amendment rights in these secret hearings was risky. In one hearing, McCarthy -- a Republican from Wisconsin elected to the Senate in 1946 -- threatened a New York City teacher who refused to answer all his questions.
According to the transcript, McCarthy asked an aide to transmit the testimony to the city's board of education.
"I assume with this testimony they will discharge this man," McCarthy said. He turned to the teacher and added, "I may say your wife's testimony is being transmitted to the board of education also. I assume she will be discharged too."
