The Ryan Medicare Plan...Not what Democrats claim

[francoHFW]

Actually, Romneycare should be called Teddycare. YUP, O-care was a Pub type plan- but the Pubs won't vote for ANYTHING.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

The Obamacare changes to Medicare added 8 years to its solvency, and the first thing Romney has promised to do is repeal Obamacare.

So, what happens after 8 years? That's some planning!

It's 8 years better than anything the GOP did for 8 years under Bush.

oh really.....? BO must be a damn miracle worker.....he stole over a half TRILLION from Medicare while adding to its solvency.....!

if you believe that i got a bridge to sell ya....

Trustees: Medicare Will Go Broke in 2016, If You Exclude Obamacare's Double-Counting - Forbes

 

[francoHFW]

The 500 billion is from Medicare Plus, which Romney and Ryan ALSO want to cut, dupe.

 

[saveliberty]

Judging from all the threads started by the left, its full panic mode around here. Funny stuff.

 

[Jroc]

His proposal is not strangling it all. Read it.

I have read it. And I read the fantasy version they put forth last year when they weren't thinking about the election. They're both shitty but I suspect that in the doomsday scenario of an all-R government we can expect their idealized Tea Party version, not the "oh shit, we have to face the voters this year" version.

Either way, Medicare is on the way out if Ryan gets his way. Although it's not clear why, as the ostensible goal of his proposal (meeting specific per enrollee Medicare spending growth targets) has already been achieved by President Obama.

Trustees: Medicare Will Go Broke in 2016, If You Exclude Obamacare's Double-Counting

April 23, 2012

The Trustees of the Medicare program have released their annual report on the solvency of the program. They calculate that the program is "expected to remain solvent until 2024, the same as last year’s estimate." But what that headline obfuscates is that Obamacare’s tax increases and spending cuts are counted towards the program’s alleged "deficit-neutrality," Medicare is to go bankrupt in 2016. And if you listen to Medicare’s own actuary, Richard Foster, the program’s bankruptcy could come even sooner than that.

Here’s how the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services summarize the findings, which carry the formal title "2012 Annual Report of the Boards of Trustees of the Federal Hospital Insurance and Federal Supplementary Medical Insurance Trust Funds" :

[Medicare Hospital Insurance Trust Fund] expenditures have exceeded income annually since 2008 and are projected to continue doing so under current law in all future years. Trust Fund interest earnings and asset redemptions are required to cover the difference. HI assets are projected to cover annual deficits through 2023, with asset depletion in 2024. After asset depletion, if Congress were to take no further action, projected HI Trust Fund revenue would be adequate to cover 87 percent of estimated expenditures in 2024 and 67 percent of projected costs in 2050. In practice, Congress has never allowed a Medicare trust fund to exhaust its assets.

The financial projections for Medicare reflect substantial cost savings resulting from the Affordable Care Act, but also show that further action is needed to address the program’s continuing cost growth.

The Trustees, by saying that Medicare will go bankrupt in 2024, instead of 2016, are simultaneously saying that the program will increase the deficit by several hundred billion dollars. This is precisely the insight that Charles Blahous, one of the Medicare Trustees, explained in his recent report on the program.

Think of it this way: if supporters of the Affordable Care Act came clean, they would say one of two things: (1) Medicare is going bankrupt in 2016, but the CBO scores the ACA as deficit neutral; or (2) Medicare is going bankrupt in 2024, and Blahous’ score of the ACA as increasing the deficit by $300-500 billion is accurate.

Which path will they choose? As Chris Jacobs notes, President Obama has admitted that, "You can’t say that you are saving on Medicare and then spending the money twice." That is, Chuck Blahous is right.

Medicare actuary Richard Foster splashes cold water on the Trustees’ report

If you want to get a sense of how Medicare’s finances look when viewed with real-world accounting assuptions, head to Richard Foster’s "Statement of Actuarial Opinion," which begins on page 277. "In past reports, and again this year, the Board of Trustees has emphasized the strong likelihood that actual Part B expenditures will exceed the projections under current law due to further legislative action to avoid substantial reductions in the Medicare physician fee schedule," Foster writes.

What he means is that Medicare’s reimbursements to doctors are scheduled to drop by 31 percent on January 1, 2013. Only then is Medicare solvent until 2016/2024. If Congress passes another of its numerous "doc fixes," Medicare’s insolvency will be even closer at hand. The optimistic insolvency estimate from the Trustees will require "unprecedented changes in health care delivery systems and payment mechanisms," without which Medicare fees "are very likely to fall increasingly short of the costs of providing those services."

Article | Trustees: Medicare Will Go Broke in 2016, If You Exclude Obamacare's Double-Counting

 

[Jroc]

So, what happens after 8 years? That's some planning!

It's 8 years better than anything the GOP did for 8 years under Bush.

oh really.....? BO must be a damn miracle worker.....he stole over a half TRILLION from Medicare while adding to its solvency.....!

if you believe that i got a bridge to sell ya....

Trustees: Medicare Will Go Broke in 2016, If You Exclude Obamacare's Double-Counting - Forbes

Oops I didn't see your post...I'll leave mine up anyway.

 

[hortysir]

Mitt Romney & Paul Ryan: That's Amore - YouTube

That's a big fucking deal

 

[francoHFW]

EXACTLY what Dems say it is, the end of Medicare as we know it, for no reason but ideological BS.

Oblivious Greedy Millionnaires 2012....TOAST! lol

 

[Jackson]

EXACTLY what Dems say it is, the end of Medicare as we know it, for no reason but ideological BS.

Oblivious Greedy Millionnaires 2012....TOAST! lol

Look at the OP. It is straight from Fact Check.

 

[Jroc]

EXACTLY what Dems say it is, the end of Medicare as we know it, for no reason but ideological BS.

Oblivious Greedy Millionnaires 2012....TOAST! lol

Look at the OP. It is straight from Fact Check.

You can't have a rational conversation with that loon

 

[NYcarbineer]

So, what happens after 8 years? That's some planning!

It's 8 years better than anything the GOP did for 8 years under Bush.

We aren't talking history...we are talking about our future!

Then don't talk about the last 3 years, you idiot.

 

[MikeK]

Wow. I remember when wingnuts spent all of 2011 (and the first few months of 2012) denying that Ryan was straight up ending Medicare.

Then he dialed it back in an election year, opting to slowly strangle it instead of swiftly pulling the plug, and the right's response is: "Well, yeah, he did propose to end it but that's outdated! Why are you looking at what virtually every elected Republican voted for last year! That was eons ago!"

You people must be out of your fucking minds.

You're so right.

What the vultures wish to do is crack the seal on the existing program and once they're in, as you've said, they will slowly strangle it. The neo-Conservative modus operandi has always been the boiled frog strategy.

 

[Papageorgio]

Wow. I remember when wingnuts spent all of 2011 (and the first few months of 2012) denying that Ryan was straight up ending Medicare.

Then he dialed it back in an election year, opting to slowly strangle it instead of swiftly pulling the plug, and the right's response is: "Well, yeah, he did propose to end it but that's outdated! Why are you looking at what virtually every elected Republican voted for last year! That was eons ago!"

You people must be out of your fucking minds.

You're so right.

What the vultures wish to do is crack the seal on the existing program and once they're in, as you've said, they will slowly strangle it. The neo-Conservative modus operandi has always been the boiled frog strategy.

Seems that the Democratic strategy is lie and continue to lie until enough people believe the lie, doesn't matter if the lie hurts them in the end.

 

[Claudette]

Medicare needs fixing and from what I've read of Ryans plan its pretty darn good. Of course I'm a firm believer that Medicare never should have been instituted in the first place.

Barry has no plan. All he can do is take billions out of Medicare to fund that clusterfuck Obamacare.

Sure hope Romney points that out on the campaign trail as Barry tries to fuck him over on Ryans plan.

Which of course he will do.

 

[chanel]

EXACTLY what Dems say it is, the end of Medicare as we know it, for no reason but ideological BS.

Oblivious Greedy Millionnaires 2012....TOAST! lol

Look at the OP. It is straight from Fact Check.

Factcheck.org labeled it one of the top "Whoppers of the Year"

The truth is that not all Democrats think that changing Medicare in the way Republicans proposed is tantamount to murdering grannie. In fact, Democratic Sen. Ron Wyden of Oregon joined Republican Rep. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin on Dec. 14 to offer a bipartisan plan that is a modified version of the GOP plan Ryan authored earlier. And the New York Times noted Nov. 28 that there is growing support among some Democrats for reining in Medicare costs through a “premium support” system similar to the GOP plan if accompanied by enough safeguards.

But falsely claiming that any such change is an “end” to Medicare has already helped win one election for Democrats. So we suspect this whopper may be making our list again a year from now.

FactCheck.org : The Whoppers of 2011

And of course Ryan is not running for president. But let's not let that fact get in the way of the liberal version of "Death Panels".

BTW- 100% of the people who vote for Obama will die. It's a fact.

 

[Jackson]

EXACTLY what Dems say it is, the end of Medicare as we know it, for no reason but ideological BS.

Oblivious Greedy Millionnaires 2012....TOAST! lol

Look at the OP. It is straight from Fact Check.

Factcheck.org labeled it one of the top "Whoppers of the Year"

The truth is that not all Democrats think that changing Medicare in the way Republicans proposed is tantamount to murdering grannie. In fact, Democratic Sen. Ron Wyden of Oregon joined Republican Rep. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin on Dec. 14 to offer a bipartisan plan that is a modified version of the GOP plan Ryan authored earlier. And the New York Times noted Nov. 28 that there is growing support among some Democrats for reining in Medicare costs through a “premium support” system similar to the GOP plan if accompanied by enough safeguards.

But falsely claiming that any such change is an “end” to Medicare has already helped win one election for Democrats. So we suspect this whopper may be making our list again a year from now.

FactCheck.org : The Whoppers of 2011

And of course Ryan is not running for president. But let's not let that fact get in the way of the liberal version of "Death Panels".

BTW- 100% of the people who vote for Obama will die. It's a fact.

Democrats are full of WHoppers. Saying the Ryan plan will end Medicare is just one of them!

 

[Jackson]

Posters have to read the NEW version of the Ryan Plan and know that it is generous and won't be changing anything for our seniors now.

 

[Trajan]

The Obamacare changes to Medicare added 8 years to its solvency, and the first thing Romney has promised to do is repeal Obamacare.

 

[Trajan]

So what they really wanted, which was an end to Medicare as we know it, ran into the obstacles of a Democratic Senate and President...

...of course, in the slim chance that the GOP had a really good November, they wouldn't have those obstacles,

and could happily return to what they really want.

Indeed, this argument is bizarre.

Unless it's a pitch for divided government to keep their Medicare-ending urges in check?

here, I will make is simple-

is obamacare budget neutral.


yes or no.

 

[Trajan]

and fo coure the obligatory all is well don't worry, we are just 'shuffling timelines'.

GAO report


A recent report from the Government Accountability Office (GAO) has laid bare the Obama administration’s effort to delay the impact of Medicare cuts in the health care law until after the 2012 election.

Under the new law, cuts to Medicare Advantage funding would force many seniors off their preferred health plans. This aspect of the law was originally intended to go into effect before the election in November, but fearing the political backlash, the administration launched an $8.35 billion “demonstration project” that would effectively delay the cuts until after the election.

The GAO report urged the administration to cancel the project, citing its numerous “design shortcomings” and noting that the program fails to “conform to the principles of budget neutrality,” meaning the $8.35 billion is not offset by spending cuts or other revenue, and will have to be borrowed.

more at-
http://freebeacon.com/gao-obamacare-timeline-based-on-election/




but hey don't worry-

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