The Ryan Medicare Plan...Not what Democrats claim

[Katzndogz]

Ryan intends to eventually end medicare and replace it with a public/private program similar to those used successfully in other countries.

obama intends to end medicare and fold it into obamacare.

Both will end medicare, Ryan's plan eventually, obama's plan immediately.

Ryan's plan maintains medicare for those receiving it now.

obama has already looted medicare of 700 billion dollars to fund obamacare.

 

[lukelk]

So, what happens after 8 years? That's some planning![/QUOTE]

It's 8 years better than anything the GOP did for 8 years under Bush.[/QUOTE]

We aren't talking history...we are talking about our future![/QUOTE]

Thats the problem right there, you nailed it. we MUST look at the past and understand it, so that we can move into the future properly, You have a very very strange understanding of the past if you think Ryans plan is good move for the eldarly of our country and lets see what DID set up one of the highest rated social safety net programs ever and one that every senior uses
It was the New deal that allowed this to happen. So please try to explain to us in your OWN words why the ryan plan is the best way to move forward.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Ryan intends to eventually end medicare and replace it with a public/private program similar to those used successfully in other countries.

obama intends to end medicare and fold it into obamacare.

Both will end medicare, Ryan's plan eventually, obama's plan immediately.

Ryan's plan maintains medicare for those receiving it now.

obama has already looted medicare of 700 billion dollars to fund obamacare.

So Romney's going to repeal Obamacare and put that 700 billion back into Medicare,

and then cut it some other way?? Is that the plan?

The 700 billion will come out of Medicare one way or another, right?

 

[NYcarbineer]

and fo coure the obligatory all is well don't worry, we are just 'shuffling timelines'.

GAO report


A recent report from the Government Accountability Office (GAO) has laid bare the Obama administration’s effort to delay the impact of Medicare cuts in the health care law until after the 2012 election.

Under the new law, cuts to Medicare Advantage funding would force many seniors off their preferred health plans. This aspect of the law was originally intended to go into effect before the election in November, but fearing the political backlash, the administration launched an $8.35 billion “demonstration project” that would effectively delay the cuts until after the election.

The GAO report urged the administration to cancel the project, citing its numerous “design shortcomings” and noting that the program fails to “conform to the principles of budget neutrality,” meaning the $8.35 billion is not offset by spending cuts or other revenue, and will have to be borrowed.

more at-
http://freebeacon.com/gao-obamacare-timeline-based-on-election/




but hey don't worry-

Animal House - All Is Well! - YouTube

So you're telling us that Romney will put the Medicare money that Obamacare 'cut' back into Medicare,

and NOT CUT MEDICARE AT ALL?

How do you save money doing that? lol

 

[Katzndogz]

Ryan intends to eventually end medicare and replace it with a public/private program similar to those used successfully in other countries.

obama intends to end medicare and fold it into obamacare.

Both will end medicare, Ryan's plan eventually, obama's plan immediately.

Ryan's plan maintains medicare for those receiving it now.

obama has already looted medicare of 700 billion dollars to fund obamacare.

So Romney's going to repeal Obamacare and put that 700 billion back into Medicare,

and then cut it some other way?? Is that the plan?

The 700 billion will come out of Medicare one way or another, right?

No. If you don't understand the Ryan plan, then have someone explain it to you. Perhaps colleges will have student aids in economics 101 hold seminars. Nothing will come out of medicare.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Romney and Ryan are attacking our problems and Obama is attacking Romney and Ryan

The American people are sick of Progressive Demagoguery, they want real adult leadership in Washington that is able to work on complex problems without resorting to lying and class warfare and lying some more. Our seniors deserve a grown-up discussion on the need to entitlement reform and R/R is leading the discussion.

The Progressives are resorting to disgusting racist ads showing black Republicans beating up white senior citizens. Sure, it's disgusting and repulsive but what were Progs going to talk about, all the good they've done these past 4 years?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Dems 2008: These two entities—Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac—are not facing any kind of financial crisis

Dems 2012: These two entities—Medicare and Social Security—are not facing any kind of financial crisis

 

[Jackson]

Eventually , in a couple of decades, seniors will start paying premiums for some of the medicare or the private insurance they choose to carry. If the burden starts to become too much, Congress can step in and help subsidize it more than what is originally called for.

It will save Medicare and the younger citizens can plan for it effectively.

 

[hortysir]

Dems 2008: These two entities—Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac—are not facing any kind of financial crisis

Dems 2012: These two entities—Medicare and Social Security—are not facing any kind of financial crisis

Given how wrong the first statement was, forgive me if I don't believe the second

 

[Full-Auto]

Wow. I remember when wingnuts spent all of 2011 (and the first few months of 2012) denying that Ryan was straight up ending Medicare.

Then he dialed it back in an election year, opting to slowly strangle it instead of swiftly pulling the plug, and the right's response is: "Well, yeah, he did propose to end it but that's outdated! Why are you looking at what virtually every elected Republican voted for last year! That was eons ago!"

You people must be out of your fucking minds.

You're so right.

What the vultures wish to do is crack the seal on the existing program and once they're in, as you've said, they will slowly strangle it. The neo-Conservative modus operandi has always been the boiled frog strategy.

VS YOUR PLAN FOR ECONOMIC COLLAPSE.

Fact... Had SS been reformed you would have money in an account.

Instead we have debt.....you must be very proud of that accomplishment as your side has offered nothing to save it.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

and fo coure the obligatory all is well don't worry, we are just 'shuffling timelines'.

GAO report


A recent report from the Government Accountability Office (GAO) has laid bare the Obama administration’s effort to delay the impact of Medicare cuts in the health care law until after the 2012 election.

Under the new law, cuts to Medicare Advantage funding would force many seniors off their preferred health plans. This aspect of the law was originally intended to go into effect before the election in November, but fearing the political backlash, the administration launched an $8.35 billion “demonstration project” that would effectively delay the cuts until after the election.

The GAO report urged the administration to cancel the project, citing its numerous “design shortcomings” and noting that the program fails to “conform to the principles of budget neutrality,” meaning the $8.35 billion is not offset by spending cuts or other revenue, and will have to be borrowed.

more at-
http://freebeacon.com/gao-obamacare-timeline-based-on-election/




but hey don't worry-

Animal House - All Is Well! - YouTube

So you're telling us that Romney will put the Medicare money that Obamacare 'cut' back into Medicare,

and NOT CUT MEDICARE AT ALL?

How do you save money doing that? lol

What's wrong with if we cut Medicaid/Obamacare and put the money back into Medicare....?

 

[peach174]

Dems 2008: These two entities—Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac—are not facing any kind of financial crisis

Dems 2012: These two entities—Medicare and Social Security—are not facing any kind of financial crisis

Given how wrong the first statement was, forgive me if I don't believe the second

It's very correct.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HQWk1Wp3L4]Democrats LIE about ECONOMIC Bailout - video of Barney Frank DOING NOTHING ABOUT BANKING CRISIS then pointing fingers at Republicans - YouTube[/ame]

The 2nd statement is also correct.

The Dems have done a short term solution and not a long term solution to Medicare.
It is going broke in 12 years and Dems have no long term solution for fixing it.

 

[g5000]

What he means is that Medicare’s reimbursements to doctors are scheduled to drop by 31 percent on January 1, 2013. Only then is Medicare solvent until 2016/2024. If Congress passes another of its numerous "doc fixes," Medicare’s insolvency will be even closer at hand. The optimistic insolvency estimate from the Trustees will require "unprecedented changes in health care delivery systems and payment mechanisms," without which Medicare fees "are very likely to fall increasingly short of the costs of providing those services."

Article | Trustees: Medicare Will Go Broke in 2016, If You Exclude Obamacare's Double-Counting

That part about the "doc fix" is what should raise a big red flag for everyone, but it probably doesn't.

One of the key factors in Bill Clinton's budget which was supposed to eliminate our federal debt once and for all was a series of Medicare re-imbursement cuts. But not one of these cuts has ever actually been enacted, as each and every year since then Congress has passed "doc fixes" to stop the cuts.

Obama has continued this farcical fantasy in ObamaCare. When the Democrats made ObamaCare "cost neutral" by putting in, among other things, Medicare cuts which they damned well knew would NEVER happen, then they were willfully lying.

So their claim that Medicare is solvent until 2024 is also a conscious lie. They are lying to the American people, and they know they are lying.


Paul Ryan is a rare breed of politician. Not just a rare breed of Republican, though he certainly is that, too.

He is rare in that he actually has the stones to put out a plan and then stand in the hail of gunfire as his plan is attacked.

When most politicians see the viciousness of the attack on someone else's plan, you know what they take from that? They take that it is a VERY BAD THING to propose anything. It is far, far easier to sit back and take cheap shots at someone else's ideas.

Most politicians are chickenshit cowards. The closest they ever come to proposing an idea is to provide an "anti-idea." They say things like, "I'll tell you what we WON'T do. We WON'T throw little old ladies off of cliffs!"




Paul Ryan has courage. He is a leader. Watch this man, because he is to be admired, no matter which side of the spectrum you are on.


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[Trajan]

and of course the obligatory all is well don't worry, we are just 'shuffling timelines'.

GAO report


A recent report from the Government Accountability Office (GAO) has laid bare the Obama administration’s effort to delay the impact of Medicare cuts in the health care law until after the 2012 election.

Under the new law, cuts to Medicare Advantage funding would force many seniors off their preferred health plans. This aspect of the law was originally intended to go into effect before the election in November, but fearing the political backlash, the administration launched an $8.35 billion “demonstration project” that would effectively delay the cuts until after the election.

The GAO report urged the administration to cancel the project, citing its numerous “design shortcomings” and noting that the program fails to “conform to the principles of budget neutrality,” meaning the $8.35 billion is not offset by spending cuts or other revenue, and will have to be borrowed.

more at-
http://freebeacon.com/gao-obamacare-timeline-based-on-election/




but hey don't worry-

Animal House - All Is Well! - YouTube

So you're telling us that Romney will put the Medicare money that Obamacare 'cut' back into Medicare,

and NOT CUT MEDICARE AT ALL?

How do you save money doing that? lol

what post are you addressing?

anyway, heres one for you heres one for you, why is ryan vilified for a plan that you say defunds medicare BUT, Obama isn't?

 

[Trajan]

So what they really wanted, which was an end to Medicare as we know it, ran into the obstacles of a Democratic Senate and President...

...of course, in the slim chance that the GOP had a really good November, they wouldn't have those obstacles,

and could happily return to what they really want.

Indeed, this argument is bizarre.

Unless it's a pitch for divided government to keep their Medicare-ending urges in check?

here, I will make is simple-

is obamacare budget neutral.


yes or no.

Bueller?



Bueller?

 

[hortysir]

Indeed, this argument is bizarre.

Unless it's a pitch for divided government to keep their Medicare-ending urges in check?

here, I will make is simple-

is obamacare budget neutral.


yes or no.

Bueller?



Bueller?

Interesting little nugget when looking for an answer to that....

The VBP(Value Based Purchasing) program is budget neutral however; all subsection (D) hospitals will have a reduction in the base payment rate, excluding IME, DSH and outlier payments, for all DRGs to fund the incentive pool. The payment reductions will occur irrespective of whether or not a hospital receives an incentive payment. The schedule for the reductions is as follows: FY 2013 (1 percent), FY 2014 (1.25 percent), FY 2015 (1.5 percent), FY 2016 (1.75 percent) and FY 2017 and beyond (2 percent). The measures included in the initial year of the program will be a subset of those measures already reported for the current Pay for Reporting program. In FY 2014, outcome and efficiency measures will be included. All efficiency measures will be risk-adjusted for factors such as age, sex, race, severity of illness and other factors the Secretary deems appropriate. Readmission measures will not be included in the VBP program as they are addressed in a separate readmission payment policy.

https://www.aamc.org/advocacy/medic...ospital_quality_provisions_under_the_aca.html

 

[Conservative]

Wow. I remember when wingnuts spent all of 2011 (and the first few months of 2012) denying that Ryan was straight up ending Medicare.

Then he dialed it back in an election year, opting to slowly strangle it instead of swiftly pulling the plug, and the right's response is: "Well, yeah, he did propose to end it but that's outdated! Why are you looking at what virtually every elected Republican voted for last year! That was eons ago!"

You people must be out of your fucking minds.

I love it when a drones mask slips....whats a matter? they counting paper clips at that boiler room you working at? gonna shut it down since CLASS went belly up?

the question for you, is; why is Ryan a villain and obama isn't?

obama plans on cutting huge $$$$ from medicare, if Ryan is too, why aren't you savaging Obama too?

here let me help- because you lack one key character ingredient- integrity.

a sheep, nothing more. you haven't thought for yourself since you shit your pants as an infant....

it's only been a few days. give him time.

 

[NYcarbineer]

and of course the obligatory all is well don't worry, we are just 'shuffling timelines'.

GAO report


A recent report from the Government Accountability Office (GAO) has laid bare the Obama administration’s effort to delay the impact of Medicare cuts in the health care law until after the 2012 election.

Under the new law, cuts to Medicare Advantage funding would force many seniors off their preferred health plans. This aspect of the law was originally intended to go into effect before the election in November, but fearing the political backlash, the administration launched an $8.35 billion “demonstration project” that would effectively delay the cuts until after the election.

The GAO report urged the administration to cancel the project, citing its numerous “design shortcomings” and noting that the program fails to “conform to the principles of budget neutrality,” meaning the $8.35 billion is not offset by spending cuts or other revenue, and will have to be borrowed.

more at-
http://freebeacon.com/gao-obamacare-timeline-based-on-election/




but hey don't worry-

Animal House - All Is Well! - YouTube

So you're telling us that Romney will put the Medicare money that Obamacare 'cut' back into Medicare,

and NOT CUT MEDICARE AT ALL?

How do you save money doing that? lol

what post are you addressing?

anyway, heres one for you heres one for you, why is ryan vilified for a plan that you say defunds medicare BUT, Obama isn't?

Reince Preibus, the RNC chairman, has been going around today saying that President Obama has 'blood on his hands' for cutting 700 billion out of Medicare. That's the vilification du jour.

Repealing Obamacare would negate those 700 billion in cuts; will the GOP then NOT cut Medicare at all,

lest they be accused of getting blood on their hands.

Summary:

The Republicans are simultaneously demonizing Obama for cutting Medicare while their running on their own plans to cut Medicare.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Ryan intends to eventually end medicare and replace it with a public/private program similar to those used successfully in other countries.

obama intends to end medicare and fold it into obamacare.

Both will end medicare, Ryan's plan eventually, obama's plan immediately.

Ryan's plan maintains medicare for those receiving it now.

obama has already looted medicare of 700 billion dollars to fund obamacare.

So Romney's going to repeal Obamacare and put that 700 billion back into Medicare,

and then cut it some other way?? Is that the plan?

The 700 billion will come out of Medicare one way or another, right?

No. If you don't understand the Ryan plan, then have someone explain it to you. Perhaps colleges will have student aids in economics 101 hold seminars. Nothing will come out of medicare.

If the Ryan plan doesn't cut Medicare, then he doesn't save any money. So where does he save money?

 

[NYcarbineer]

and fo coure the obligatory all is well don't worry, we are just 'shuffling timelines'.

GAO report


A recent report from the Government Accountability Office (GAO) has laid bare the Obama administration’s effort to delay the impact of Medicare cuts in the health care law until after the 2012 election.

Under the new law, cuts to Medicare Advantage funding would force many seniors off their preferred health plans. This aspect of the law was originally intended to go into effect before the election in November, but fearing the political backlash, the administration launched an $8.35 billion “demonstration project” that would effectively delay the cuts until after the election.

The GAO report urged the administration to cancel the project, citing its numerous “design shortcomings” and noting that the program fails to “conform to the principles of budget neutrality,” meaning the $8.35 billion is not offset by spending cuts or other revenue, and will have to be borrowed.

more at-
http://freebeacon.com/gao-obamacare-timeline-based-on-election/




but hey don't worry-

Animal House - All Is Well! - YouTube

So you're telling us that Romney will put the Medicare money that Obamacare 'cut' back into Medicare,

and NOT CUT MEDICARE AT ALL?

How do you save money doing that? lol

What's wrong with if we cut Medicaid/Obamacare and put the money back into Medicare....?

That's not what the GOP wants to do. They want to cut Medicaid, including what was in Obamacare,

and THEN cut Medicare, despite their insane attacks on Obama for Medicare measures in the Affordable healthcare act.