The Ryan Medicare Plan...Not what Democrats claim

[Greenbeard]

If you read the plan, you'll even see there is a time when Congress can interdept oif the expense for the consumer gets too high.

Can you rephrase that?

 

[NYcarbineer]

His budget never made it to the Senate floor. Reid said they didn't need any ol' budget. Read the entire post.

What did the House pass?

The house passed an earlier version. This was updated this year.

So what they really wanted, which was an end to Medicare as we know it, ran into the obstacles of a Democratic Senate and President...

...of course, in the slim chance that the GOP had a really good November, they wouldn't have those obstacles,

and could happily return to what they really want.

 

[Rozman]

Democrats are still hammering an old, and since replaced, GOP proposal, claiming it would “end Medicare,” and cost seniors $6,000 more a year for their health care. The newest Republican budget, proposed by Rep. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin, keeps traditional Medicare — unlike his plan from 2011 — and the increased cost claim is no longer applicable to it.


Here’s a quick rundown of the latest Ryan plan:

For seniors who are now in Medicare, nothing changes. They can stay with the traditional program as it is.

Beginning in 2023, 65-year-olds would have their choice of insurance plans — private and traditional — on a new Medicare exchange. A premium-support payment, like a subsidy, would be sent to the plan of their choice.

If the chosen plan costs more than the premium-support, the senior would pay the difference.

The Medicare eligibility age would be slowly raised to 67 by 2034.

All plans on the Medicare exchange would offer a base level of benefits, and they would be regulated by the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services.

The premium-support payments would be tied to the second-cheapest plan, which can’t grow more than gross domestic product plus 0.5 percentage points. If the cost does grow faster, Congress would be required to step in and take some action to keep costs down

.

FactCheck.org : No End to ‘End Medicare’ Claim

Republicans and Democrats alike agree that something has to be done about the spiraling costs of Medicare. The Ryan plan above is the most responsible action plan the Congress has had. I think many of you will agree.

For seniors who are now in Medicare, nothing changes. They can stay with the traditional program as it is.

I saw Ryan on Meet the Press one Sunday and then on Morning Joe on MSNBC the next day.

On both shows he said this.On Morning Joe he repeated this a few times....

The rest of the day MSNBC shows like Al Sharpton and Ed Schultz and Ed's radio show said that this will effect seniors right away.

Amazing what the Libs get away with.

 

[Trajan]

Wow. I remember when wingnuts spent all of 2011 (and the first few months of 2012) denying that Ryan was straight up ending Medicare.

Then he dialed it back in an election year, opting to slowly strangle it instead of swiftly pulling the plug, and the right's response is: "Well, yeah, he did propose to end it but that's outdated! Why are you looking at what virtually every elected Republican voted for last year! That was eons ago!"

You people must be out of your fucking minds.

His proposal is not strangling it all. Read it.

he doesn't care

. he and his kind are living on borrowed time anyway, if this not this election, it will be the next, the federal budget crash is coming and the spending machine will dry up becasue it will simply have to, they will be dead in the water.


on obamacare, what really frightens them to death is not getting obamacare so wrapped into the system thats its a fait accompli and there is no turning back. If we use some type of premium support where in there can be an efficacious free market solution and competition which works in just about every other product market know to man works, they will be exposed for the faux intellectuals they are and have been for some time.....

hey, don't believe me, look for yourself, the figures on the left are what it was SUPPOSED to cost for medicare and medicare hospitali in 1990, on the right, the real cost ....;

only someone as obtuse as greenbeard and the merry band of academics that gave us what you see above in that chart, can alos be so stupid as to not believe their very own handiwork.

sheep...thats all they are, selling one big lie after another.

 

[Greenbeard]

So what they really wanted, which was an end to Medicare as we know it, ran into the obstacles of a Democratic Senate and President...

...of course, in the slim chance that the GOP had a really good November, they wouldn't have those obstacles,

and could happily return to what they really want.

Indeed, this argument is bizarre.

Unless it's a pitch for divided government to keep their Medicare-ending urges in check?

 

[NYcarbineer]

The Obamacare changes to Medicare added 8 years to its solvency, and the first thing Romney has promised to do is repeal Obamacare.

 

[Charles_Main]

The Ryan Medicare Plan...Not what Democrats claim

Of course it isn't anything like the Democrats Describe. Why would you think it would be, The Democrats are incapable of Honesty on the Subject.

 

[Charles_Main]

The Obamacare changes to Medicare added 8 years to its solvency, and the first thing Romney has promised to do is repeal Obamacare.

Yes in order to instal a real Fix and not another 8 year patch job that simply punts the problem down the Road.

 

[Jackson]

The Obamacare changes to Medicare added 8 years to its solvency, and the first thing Romney has promised to do is repeal Obamacare.

So, what happens after 8 years? That's some planning!

 

[NYcarbineer]

This is just what happened back when Reagan got in. The Reagan wonks like David Stockman - the 80's equivalents of Paul Ryan - had all these grandiose wonky ideas, driven by rightwing economic ideology,

where they thought they were going to make all these dramatic cuts to the so-called welfare state and they were going to dramatically shrink the size of government, then,

they ran into political reality, from both sides of the aisle, and they never got a fraction of the cuts they thought they would, but,

of course, they went ahead with their tax cuts and increased military spending anyway, and boom,

there went the deficits through the roof.

That is exactly the scenario you'll get if Romney is elected.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The Obamacare changes to Medicare added 8 years to its solvency, and the first thing Romney has promised to do is repeal Obamacare.

So, what happens after 8 years? That's some planning!

It's 8 years better than anything the GOP did for 8 years under Bush.

 

[Jackson]

And look at what we have now. The Entitlement Enterprise System. We need solutions and Romney-Ryan et al is our best hope. You can see what kind of people Romney will select for cabinet choices. QUALIFIED people.

 

[Jackson]

The Obamacare changes to Medicare added 8 years to its solvency, and the first thing Romney has promised to do is repeal Obamacare.

So, what happens after 8 years? That's some planning!

It's 8 years better than anything the GOP did for 8 years under Bush.

We aren't talking history...we are talking about our future!

 

[hortysir]

Democrats are still hammering an old, and since replaced, GOP proposal, claiming it would “end Medicare,” and cost seniors $6,000 more a year for their health care. The newest Republican budget, proposed by Rep. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin, keeps traditional Medicare — unlike his plan from 2011 — and the increased cost claim is no longer applicable to it.


Here’s a quick rundown of the latest Ryan plan:

For seniors who are now in Medicare, nothing changes. They can stay with the traditional program as it is.

Beginning in 2023, 65-year-olds would have their choice of insurance plans — private and traditional — on a new Medicare exchange. A premium-support payment, like a subsidy, would be sent to the plan of their choice.

If the chosen plan costs more than the premium-support, the senior would pay the difference.

The Medicare eligibility age would be slowly raised to 67 by 2034.

All plans on the Medicare exchange would offer a base level of benefits, and they would be regulated by the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services.

The premium-support payments would be tied to the second-cheapest plan, which can’t grow more than gross domestic product plus 0.5 percentage points. If the cost does grow faster, Congress would be required to step in and take some action to keep costs down

.

FactCheck.org : No End to ‘End Medicare’ Claim

Republicans and Democrats alike agree that something has to be done about the spiraling costs of Medicare. The Ryan plan above is the most responsible action plan the Congress has had. I think many of you will agree.

This is not what passed in his budget is it?

Anyhow, if it's a choice, and people can just stay in the current Medicare as is, where do you save money?

 

[hortysir]

What did the House pass?

The house passed an earlier version. This was updated this year.

So what they really wanted, which was an end to Medicare as we know it, ran into the obstacles of a Democratic Senate and President...

...of course, in the slim chance that the GOP had a really good November, they wouldn't have those obstacles,

and could happily return to what they really want.

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[Sarah G]

Nobody cares what it is, it's dead anyway. Much like Ryan's Whitehouse aspirations.

 

[francoHFW]

The Obamacare changes to Medicare added 8 years to its solvency, and the first thing Romney has promised to do is repeal Obamacare.

So, what happens after 8 years? That's some planning!

Romneycare, same thing, has brought cost rises from 15 to 2% a year in 6 years. That and a few tweaks fix Medicare period.

Those 15% cost rises are what ruined it's earliest estimates. ie- Pubcrappe this PUB system of health care have caused.

Ryan's plan destroys Medicare- You're TOAST. The rest of their plan is a DISASTER for the nonrich and the country.

I know, let's cut taxes on the bloated rich, destroy Medicare and health reform, raise taxes and fees on the nonrich, let corporate cheats run wild, cut aid to states and localities, raise military spending to more than the rest of the world combined, and worry about the debt in 2035. Absolute idiocy, dupes.

 

[Vel]

The Obamacare changes to Medicare added 8 years to its solvency, and the first thing Romney has promised to do is repeal Obamacare.

So, what happens after 8 years? That's some planning!

Romneycare, same thing, has brought cost rises from 15 to 2% a year in 6 years. That and a few tweaks fix Medicare period.

Those 15% cost rises are what ruined it's earliest estimates. ie- Pubcrappe this PUB system of health care have caused.

Ryan's plan destroys Medicare- You're TOAST. The rest of their plan is a DISASTER for the nonrich and the country.

I know, let's cut taxes on the bloated rich, destroy Medicare and health reform, raise taxes and fees on the nonrich, let corporate cheats run wild, cut aid to states and localities, raise military spending to more than the rest of the world combined, and worry about the debt in 2035. Absolute idiocy, dupes.

It seems to me that since so many of your posts point out all the things you love about "Romneycare", that you should be a Romney supporter. After all, why would you want a half assed copy if the original is available? This is just another thing that Obama wasn't able to come up with on his own. Shall we now refer to him as the plagiarizing prez?

 

[Vel]

What Team Obama is hoping that seniors won't figure out is the power he has given to a board of unelected political appointees over Medicare.

The IPAB: The Center Of A Political Clash Over How To Change Medicare - Kaiser Health News

 

[edthecynic]

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