The Right To Bear Arms

[Rigby5]

Yipper it's as obsolete as a muzzle loader imho.

In what way could that every possibly happen?
Sure weapons will change, like we may end up using directed energy weapons some day.
But the need for average people to have arms instead of the elite and corruptible few, will never change.
Who are the bad guy?
The are those either hired by criminal gangs inside the country or outside the country.
And the only way to stop either one is for the general population to be armed as a whole.
Trying to reduce the number of weapons by hiring an elite gang, actually causes the problem, not fixes it.
And what sort of weapons the bad guys use is what dictates what the good guys need also.
Whether it is flintlocks or energy beams, that does not at all change.

 

[Rigby5]

I am also a gun lover, but the 2nd Amendment will be changed. It's just a matter of time...

How or why could that ever be true?
Are our enemies either foreign or domestic ever going to go away?
Of course not.
So then the only safe way to maintain a democratic republic is with an armed general population.
The last thing any honest defender of the republic should allow is for our society to become split into an elite minority hired to have weapons, and the general population disarmed.
That is not only an automatic violation of the principles of the republic, by creating inequality between groups of people, but bound to cause inherent corruption of that elite few who are armed.
When you hire an elite minority to be the only ones with arms, they always become corrupt.
And it is not long before they then follow orders, taking Jews to camps.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

I am also a gun lover, but the 2nd Amendment will be changed. It's just a matter of time...

The only way that gets done is via a constitutional convention of the states, and if that goes up for revision or repeal, we're going after the commerce and general welfare clauses, which will be clarified and narrowed.

That will put an end to much of the socialism enacted since Woodrow Wilson, and even before him.

So, in other words. Go for it.

 

[Rigby5]

An email rely I sent someone that I thought I might copy here:

{...
When Mel Gibson paints his face blue and screams about how "they will never take our freedom", that is not just DNA or the laws of nature, but the basis of any concept of law, justice, fairness, rights, good/evil, etc.
Anything government, police, the military, militias, posses, lynch mobs, gangs, etc., do that is counter to those inherent aspect of human social instincts, is just plain wrong and evil.
The attempt to write down guidelines to prevent those abuses is about as common as the rules the written down by the evil and corrupt in order to cause those abuses.
Again, ask yourself the simple question of in 1940, would you obey the legislation written down ordering you to send Jews to the camps?
Of course not.
Rules being written does not make them right.
And it is always up to each and every single individual to evaluate those rules and orders against the unwritten understanding of right and wrong they carry with them from their DNA.
As to guns, are the enemies of freedom every going to go away?
Are the gangs, criminals, violent, greedy, ever going to go away, both inside and outside the country?
Of course not.
And since they will always have the latest weapons, so must the good guys that stop them.
So gun control is NEVER about getting rid of weapons.
That is totally and completely impossible.
Gun control is about whether or not the average population as a whole is armed, or only an elite few?
So the question you must really ask yourself, is whether you trust the elite few more than the general population?
And after seeing the police in the south beating Blacks, the southern sheriff who murdered the 3 freedom riders, the police gassing and beating the Vietnam protesters, reading about the police in South Africa, the gestapo, the stazi, the KGB, Guantanamo, etc., I think anyone trusting the elite few, is just crazy.
Gun control NEVER works, because it ALWAYS means the bad guys take over.
Once you have a monopoly on weapons by a few, they always will follow the highest bidder.
And that is always the bad guys.
The elite few with weapons NEVER ends up picking the majority because they are too poor to pay as well.
Might always makes right, and that can not possibly ever change.
Your only choice is whether you want to be armed and have something to say about it, or instead let the corrupt, elite, armed few always tell you exactly what to do?
...}

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Open your mind, get rid of your paranoia and go enjoy life.

Open your mind and embrace firearms!

Never did never will...thank God many countries don't. Only ignorant retards do need guns in 2018.

And that right there is part of the reason we can't get anywhere on the gun debate. If it's true that only ignorant retards need guns then as long as we're talking about things we don't need, it's also true that only ignorant retards need cell phones, computers, motorcycles, TVs, cars, stereos, iPads, video games, etc, etc.

There are a million things we don't need yet people say they need them. Ergo, saying that those who say they need guns are ignorant retards is a flawed premise.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Says the paranoid freak who is scared stupid of inanimate objects such as firearms...

One of the reasons I have a gun is so that I CAN go and enjoy life, without having to worry about rapists, muggers, car-jackers . . .

Or is Miss "America so scary and violent" NOW telling us that that was a lie?

I hate to be you. Walking around paranoid. With the attitude shown in your responses...Is men that have to worry about being sexually assaulted. You lost your femininity lady.

Her view is shaped by her life experience, how dare you demean women because of their personal experience. Women have a right to blow the head off anyone that tries to assualt them. You claim to be peaceful but will allow women to be raped with no defense. How many women have been involved in mass shootings?

Didn't demean no body. I said what I think about her paranoia same way j say it to most pro fun advocates. I don't know her personally and I don't know if her story is true or made up....do you?
And no I'm for the death penalty for rapists and child molesters btw.

I don’t know if her story is anymore or less made up than yours. Just like with you, I take her word for it.

People that believe others are dishonest, might be because they are dishonest themselves and believe everyone is just like them, dishonest.

Bolton put to death for Zosha’s murder - Tucson Citizen Morgue, Part 2 (1993-2009)

You'll notice in the story that when Bolton was linked to Zosha's death by fingerprinting, he was already in prison on a 15 3/4 year sentence for sexual abuse (they got that wrong; he was convicted of kidnapping, sexual abuse, and indecent exposure). That sentence was for assaulting me. The story also doesn't mention the 14-year-old girl I mentioned. That's because they could never prove he did it, but her family was convinced, and I spoke with her brother once, so it stuck in my mind.

 

[Papageorgio]

One of the reasons I have a gun is so that I CAN go and enjoy life, without having to worry about rapists, muggers, car-jackers . . .

Or is Miss "America so scary and violent" NOW telling us that that was a lie?

I hate to be you. Walking around paranoid. With the attitude shown in your responses...Is men that have to worry about being sexually assaulted. You lost your femininity lady.

Her view is shaped by her life experience, how dare you demean women because of their personal experience. Women have a right to blow the head off anyone that tries to assualt them. You claim to be peaceful but will allow women to be raped with no defense. How many women have been involved in mass shootings?

Didn't demean no body. I said what I think about her paranoia same way j say it to most pro fun advocates. I don't know her personally and I don't know if her story is true or made up....do you?
And no I'm for the death penalty for rapists and child molesters btw.

I don’t know if her story is anymore or less made up than yours. Just like with you, I take her word for it.

People that believe others are dishonest, might be because they are dishonest themselves and believe everyone is just like them, dishonest.

Bolton put to death for Zosha’s murder - Tucson Citizen Morgue, Part 2 (1993-2009)

You'll notice in the story that when Bolton was linked to Zosha's death by fingerprinting, he was already in prison on a 15 3/4 year sentence for sexual abuse (they got that wrong; he was convicted of kidnapping, sexual abuse, and indecent exposure). That sentence was for assaulting me. The story also doesn't mention the 14-year-old girl I mentioned. That's because they could never prove he did it, but her family was convinced, and I spoke with her brother once, so it stuck in my mind.

I'm sorry you had to go through that and I am glad he was put to death but the sad part is the state was humane about it and he had no mercy or remorse, I can't imagine stabbing someone and then let them suffer until they die.

You seem to be a very strong person and have learned to adapt and take care of yourself. You are most certainly not a victim, you are a strong survivor.

Thank you for sharing your story and hopefully shows others why you own a gun for protection. And why the 2nd Amendment should never be abolished. I most certainly understand and I support your choice.

 

[Cecilie1200]

I hate to be you. Walking around paranoid. With the attitude shown in your responses...Is men that have to worry about being sexually assaulted. You lost your femininity lady.

Her view is shaped by her life experience, how dare you demean women because of their personal experience. Women have a right to blow the head off anyone that tries to assualt them. You claim to be peaceful but will allow women to be raped with no defense. How many women have been involved in mass shootings?

Didn't demean no body. I said what I think about her paranoia same way j say it to most pro fun advocates. I don't know her personally and I don't know if her story is true or made up....do you?
And no I'm for the death penalty for rapists and child molesters btw.

I don’t know if her story is anymore or less made up than yours. Just like with you, I take her word for it.

People that believe others are dishonest, might be because they are dishonest themselves and believe everyone is just like them, dishonest.

Bolton put to death for Zosha’s murder - Tucson Citizen Morgue, Part 2 (1993-2009)

You'll notice in the story that when Bolton was linked to Zosha's death by fingerprinting, he was already in prison on a 15 3/4 year sentence for sexual abuse (they got that wrong; he was convicted of kidnapping, sexual abuse, and indecent exposure). That sentence was for assaulting me. The story also doesn't mention the 14-year-old girl I mentioned. That's because they could never prove he did it, but her family was convinced, and I spoke with her brother once, so it stuck in my mind.

I'm sorry you had to go through that and I am glad he was put to death but the sad part is the state was humane about it and he had no mercy or remorse, I can't imagine stabbing someone and then let them suffer until they die.

You seem to be a very strong person and have learned to adapt and take care of yourself. You are most certainly not a victim, you are a strong survivor.

Thank you for sharing your story and hopefully shows others why you own a gun for protection. And why the 2nd Amendment should never be abolished. I most certainly understand and I support your choice.

Thanks so much.

 

[Rigby5]

I am also a gun lover, but the 2nd Amendment will be changed. It's just a matter of time...

Don't think so.
It is clearly the founders were right to include it, as the federal government has become as power crazy as their feared.
There really should be no standing army or police even.

The 2nd Amendment doesn't really need changed to render it legally obsolete. After all, the 2nd Amendment means whatever the U.S. Supreme Court says it means. A liberal SCOTUS could totally reinterpret it.

Not if you believe in the law, the constitution, and the republic.
The whole point of states signing on to the constitution is the Bill of Rights, and if you abrogate the bill of rigths, that nullifies the contract of any states signing on for our current federal government.
Courts are never supposed to allow their opinions, beliefs, or desired get involved.
They are only supposed to interpret based on langugage, context, and precedent.

And a "liberal" court by definition is supposed to support more individual rights, so would support the 2nd amendment even more.

Nor could the 2nd amendment ever become obsolete, as there will always be a wealthy elite attempting to bribe those armed by the government to impose law. And when they succeed, then you have the Gestapo, Tazi, Savik, KGB, etc., as the only ones with weapons, if you don't maintain the 2nd amendment. It is always crucial to a democratic republic to have an armed population instead of just the mercenary police and military being armed.

 

[Rigby5]

By Peter Weber

That's the opinion of Rupert Murdoch's conservative New York Post. And it's not as far-fetched as it may seem.

Well, let's read the text of the Second Amendment, says Jeffrey Sachs at The Huffington Post:

A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.​

It's astonishingly clear that "the Second Amendment is a relic of the founding era more than two centuries ago," and "its purpose is long past."

As Justice John Paul Stevens argues persuasively, the amendment should not block the ability of society to keep itself safe through gun control legislation. That was never its intent. This amendment was about militias in the 1790s, and the fear of the anti-federalists of a federal army. Since that issue is long moot, we need not be governed in our national life by doctrines on now-extinct militias from the 18th century.​

"Fair-minded readers have to acknowledge that the text is ambiguous," says Cass Sunstein at Bloomberg View. Justice Antonin Scalia, who wrote the majority opinion in Heller, was laying out his interpretation of a "genuinely difficult" legal question, and "I am not saying that the court was wrong." More to the point: Right or wrong, obsolete or relevant, the Second Amendment essentially means what five justices on the Supreme Court say it means. So "we should respect the fact that the individual right to have guns has been established," but even the pro-gun interpretation laid out by Scalia explicitly allows for banning the kinds of weapons the shooter used to murder 20 first-graders. The real problem is in the political arena, where "opponents of gun control, armed with both organization and money, have been invoking the Second Amendment far more recklessly," using "wild and unsupportable claims about the meaning of the Constitution" to shut down debate on what sort of regulations might save lives.

More: Is the Second Amendment obsolete? - The Week

The Constitution exist only in the context of its case law, as interpreted by the Supreme Court, as authorized by the doctrine of judicial review.

Neither the Constitution nor any of its Amendments are ‘obsolete.’

Whatever the current case law might be concerning the Second Amendment, however, further restrictions, regulations, or even bans will do little to curtail gun violence.

The genius of the Constitution is it compels us to seek actual solutions to our many problems; be it abortion, campaign finance reform, or gun violence, the Constitution prevents us from taking the ‘easy route’ often taken by dictatorships and totalitarian regimes, where the liberty of the people is destroyed.

This does not mean we are helpless to do nothing, at the mercy of strict, unyielding jurisprudence protecting the rights of gun owners; rather, it means we must find solutions based on facts and evidence, and be prepared to address and acknowledge painful, embarrassing aspects of our society and culture.

Yes, and it seems to me the solution to protecting kids from violence at schools is more armed security at schools, just as we do at airports and as Israel does at their schools. It has not harmed airports or Israel.

When a country starts to compare itself to Israel that's fucked up.
The internet will fix this issue...more and more Americans especially the young ones, will realize that other countries don't go through this madness because they don't have a stupid amendment that's causing chaos.

That is silly.
All countries in the world are only a step away from a police state dictatorship.
The US is the closest however, such as only 50 years ago sheriffs murdering Blacks or white freedom riders.
We have the most unfair economic divide in the whole world, the most corrupt political system, the most unfair taxes, and we torture, commit war crimes, invade innocent countries, etc.
The last thing anyone should ever do is tell us we should trust our government and that we don't need defensive weapons any more.

 

[basquebromance]

a lot of these mass shooters want suicide by cop, which accounts for 11 percent of all officer-involved shooting and 13 percent of all officer-involved justifiable homicides.

suicide by cop is an actual form of suicide.

"people who sought suicide by cop have to be in some kind of depression" - Dr Arshak Hudson

 

[Rigby5]

a lot of these mass shooters want suicide by cop, which accounts for 11 percent of all officer-involved shooting and 13 percent of all officer-involved justifiable homicides.

suicide by cop is an actual form of suicide.

"people who sought suicide by cop have to be in some kind of depression" - Dr Arshak Hudson

But people wanting to commit any sort of suicide means society is all screwed up.
Suicide is not at all normal.

 

[basquebromance]

high homicide environments are alike. the setting is usually a minority enclave or disputed territory where folks distrust legal authority...the killings typically arise from arguments, basically MEN FIGHTING. the fight might be spontaneous, part of some long-running feud, or the culmination of some drama.

 

[Rigby5]

high homicide environments are alike. the setting is usually a minority enclave or disputed territory where folks distrust legal authority...the killings typically arise from arguments, basically MEN FIGHTING. the fight might be spontaneous, part of some long-running feud, or the culmination of some drama.

No, it is all because of the war on drugs, causing turf battles, unbankable profits, etc.
Just like Prohibition.
End the war on drugs and it all goes away.

There is nothing else worth fighting over.

 

[basquebromance]

high homicide environments are alike. the setting is usually a minority enclave or disputed territory where folks distrust legal authority...the killings typically arise from arguments, basically MEN FIGHTING. the fight might be spontaneous, part of some long-running feud, or the culmination of some drama.

No, it is all because of the war on drugs, causing turf battles, unbankable profits, etc.
Just like Prohibition.
End the war on drugs and it all goes away.

There is nothing else worth fighting over.

we need to get the youth to understand: you could really have a good life.

we need to break it down to these kids that this is what's out there for them if they don't change their ways and leave those damn gangs: prison or death

 

[Rigby5]

high homicide environments are alike. the setting is usually a minority enclave or disputed territory where folks distrust legal authority...the killings typically arise from arguments, basically MEN FIGHTING. the fight might be spontaneous, part of some long-running feud, or the culmination of some drama.

No, it is all because of the war on drugs, causing turf battles, unbankable profits, etc.
Just like Prohibition.
End the war on drugs and it all goes away.

There is nothing else worth fighting over.

we need to get the youth to understand: you could really have a good life.

we need to break it down to these kids that this is what's out there for them if they don't change their ways and leave those damn gangs: prison or death

I would like to tell them that, but I am not sure I can, because I don't think there is much out there for them regardless.
For example, about 40% of Blacks can't vote, and that is almost all due to discriminatory pot convictions that should never have happened. The legislators, police, prosecutors, judges, etc., are all incredibly corrupt and racist against Blacks.
End the war on drugs, and then I will have some credibility to convince young gang members that there is any alternative at all.

 

[Cecilie1200]

a lot of these mass shooters want suicide by cop, which accounts for 11 percent of all officer-involved shooting and 13 percent of all officer-involved justifiable homicides.

suicide by cop is an actual form of suicide.

"people who sought suicide by cop have to be in some kind of depression" - Dr Arshak Hudson

But people wanting to commit any sort of suicide means society is all screwed up.
Suicide is not at all normal.

I disagree. I think it is a sad, but quite normal, aspect of human nature. There have been people who wanted to die ever since we learned that we could.

 

[P@triot]

a lot of these mass shooters want suicide by cop, which accounts for 11 percent of all officer-involved shooting and 13 percent of all officer-involved justifiable homicides.

suicide by cop is an actual form of suicide.

"people who sought suicide by cop have to be in some kind of depression" - Dr Arshak Hudson

But people wanting to commit any sort of suicide means society is all screwed up.
Suicide is not at all normal.

I disagree. I think it is a sad, but quite normal, aspect of human nature. There have been people who wanted to die ever since we learned that we could.

I have to agree with Rigby5 here, Cecilie1200. Self-preservation is the core basis of all life. Have you ever seen a koala commit suicide? How about a giraffe? It just doesn’t happen. Quite the contrary, all forms of life will got to great lengths to ensure their own survival.

 

[Rigby5]

a lot of these mass shooters want suicide by cop, which accounts for 11 percent of all officer-involved shooting and 13 percent of all officer-involved justifiable homicides.

suicide by cop is an actual form of suicide.

"people who sought suicide by cop have to be in some kind of depression" - Dr Arshak Hudson

But people wanting to commit any sort of suicide means society is all screwed up.
Suicide is not at all normal.

I disagree. I think it is a sad, but quite normal, aspect of human nature. There have been people who wanted to die ever since we learned that we could.

That is not possible.
Evolution can not select for suicide.
No one normally ever wants to die.
When people want to die, it is only when living is even worse, due to the horrendous conditions.

 

[basquebromance]

“In a world without guns I am what’s known as prey. A world without guns is very frightening to a small female...God made man and woman and Colonel Colt made them equal.”—Ann Coulter