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Let's summarize.
I simply clearly and openly condemned anyone on any side calling for people to be jailed.
In contrast, Westwall and SSDD went into amusing contortions to justify their unwillingness to condemn such people. Displaying the expected hypocrisy, they excused all such behavior from their side, but were profuse in the condemnation of the other side, even though the other side does it far, far less.
I kind of pity the denialists. They're trapped. Their cult/party has commanded them to support the jackbooted thug tactics. If any of them were to disobey, they'd be banished from the herd. That's like a death sentence to such herd beasts, so they will follow all orders, even knowing in their hearts how immoral it is.
Let's summarize.
I simply clearly and openly condemned anyone on any side calling for people to be jailed.
In contrast, Westwall and SSDD went into amusing contortions to justify their unwillingness to condemn such people. Displaying the expected hypocrisy, they excused all such behavior from their side, but were profuse in the condemnation of the other side, even though the other side does it far, far less.
I kind of pity the denialists. They're trapped. Their cult/party has commanded them to support the jackbooted thug tactics. If any of them were to disobey, they'd be banished from the herd. That's like a death sentence to such herd beasts, so they will follow all orders, even knowing in their hearts how immoral it is.
CrazyFrank, given how often you and your side have been caught lying about Mann, why do you think bringing him up again helps your case? We get it already, you're a liar.
Mann didn't lie. You, however, lied about Mann, repeatedly and shamelessly. All denialists lie about Mann. Their political cult has an official list of EnemiesOfTheParty (Mann, Hansen, Gore, Obama, and so on), and the cult has ordered its members to demonize and destroy all such EnemiesOfTheParty.
By the way, Mann's libel lawsuit is preceeding against CEI and National Review. It's an uphill struggle, as it's almost impossible to win any libel lawsuit in the USA. But at least it puts the liars on notice that there are consequences for getting too extreme with the lies. Start declaring that scientists are child molesters, and that will get you a libel lawsuit. Frank, Westy and SSDD no doubt support the tactic of comparing Mann to a child molester, given there doesn't seem to be any immorality they won't support from their side.
Liars? You mean how Mann claims to be a Nobel Prize winner? You are such a delusional putz. How about his lawsuit in Canada where he's about to be held in contempt of court for refusing to release requested documents that will show him to be the fraud he is? Hmmm....
OOPS, Norway has defected from the global warming hoax.
OOPS, Norway has defected from the global warming hoax.
Do you ever read your own links before posting them?
This is from your link:
CO2 is the primary greenhouse gas emitted by human activity. A simple way to measure climate sensitivity is to calculate how much the mean air temperature will rise if we were to double the level of overall CO2 emissions compared to the worlds pre-industrialised level around the year 1750.
If we continue to emit greenhouse gases at our current rate, we risk doubling that atmospheric CO2 level in roughly 2050.
In the Norwegian project, researchers have arrived at an estimate of 1.9°C as the most likely level of warming.
Let's summarize.
I simply clearly and openly condemned anyone on any side calling for people to be jailed.
In contrast, Westwall and SSDD went into amusing contortions to justify their unwillingness to condemn such people. Displaying the expected hypocrisy, they excused all such behavior from their side, but were profuse in the condemnation of the other side, even though the other side does it far, far less.
I kind of pity the denialists. They're trapped. Their cult/party has commanded them to support the jackbooted thug tactics. If any of them were to disobey, they'd be banished from the herd. That's like a death sentence to such herd beasts, so they will follow all orders, even knowing in their hearts how immoral it is.
Just wondering if they fit inside and if they are Al Gore fans?
Westwall -
So you would agree that any claims that scientists are falsifying data to somehow make temperature rises seem greater than they are now quite obviously false?
Clearly Norwegian scientists are prepared to lower their predictions - would you now be prepared to look at their research and accept that their data is realistic?
I'm sorry about your ignorance of the logic of scientific discovery (and of basic logic and definitions).What can I say except that correlation does not equal causation.
At least you got that right. As in, you literally can't say anything else except that mantra, no matter how inapplicable to the situation it is. It's kind of bizarre, given how Westwall here is the only one actually using the tactic.
A bunch of scientific illiterates at this site, I see.
We clearly understand the concept, given how we keep pointing out how badly you misuse it. You have a poor grasp of logic, and that fatally handicaps you on these scientific topics.
Your type is common, an engineer or some other techie type who has delusions about being just as wise as those scientists are. No. Some tech courses in college do not make a scientist, nor does working in a tech field.
It's good to see a few myths finaly closed on this one - and largely thanks to Katz excellent find.
I'll start a conclusions thread in a few days, and include that one on that thread also.
As I said, the state of the science cannot make any conclusions about the magnitude or significance of man made CO2 on any warming.Si Modo -
It has been asserted several times on this thread that climate scientists only ever offer doom-laden scenarios, and are constantly downgrading older temperatures to make modern temperatures appear warmer. Not to mention that there is some evil global conspiracy, of course; plus that all research is based on the sam data.
What Katz proved here is that scientists will downgrade their own future predictions when the science calls for it, will disagree with the predictions of other research units, and do conduct their own research using their own data, and are clearly independent.
What we are seeing is honest, independent science in action - something sceptics claims to be looking for.
btw, I think one we might all agree on is that making predictions about the temperatures in 2050 is difficult - what we do seem to have now is a band of between 1.9C and 3.0C as a likely outcome.
I know the global warming deniers will say there is a difference, but there is no difference between GWD than there is for evolution deniers, round earth deniers, earth rotates sun deniers, or germs cause sickness deniers. Science moves forward, and those for whatever reason, choose not believe can do so. Humans managed to pollute our rivers and the skies, if we ruin our planet it will be the future that suffers. Deniers will be dead, they will rest forever assured of their denial.
I know the global warming deniers will say there is a difference, but there is no difference between GWD than there is for evolution deniers, round earth deniers, earth rotates sun deniers, or germs cause sickness deniers. Science moves forward, and those for whatever reason, choose not believe can do so. Humans managed to pollute our rivers and the skies, if we ruin our planet it will be the future that suffers. Deniers will be dead, they will rest forever assured of their denial.
Too bad the state of the science does not allow for any conclusion.
Nice position. You know all those are are opinions, not science, right?Too bad the state of the science does not allow for any conclusion.
That was true 10-15 years ago, but it's a bit of a reach these days.
This is the position of the American Physical Society:
"Emissions of greenhouse gases from human activities are changing the atmosphere in ways that affect the Earth's climate. Greenhouse gases include carbon dioxide as well as methane, nitrous oxide and other gases. They are emitted from fossil fuel combustion and a range of industrial and agricultural processes.
The evidence is incontrovertible: Global warming is occurring."
Climate Change
Too bad the state of the science does not allow for any conclusion.
That was true 10-15 years ago, but it's a bit of a reach these days.
This is the position of the American Physical Society:
"Emissions of greenhouse gases from human activities are changing the atmosphere in ways that affect the Earth's climate. Greenhouse gases include carbon dioxide as well as methane, nitrous oxide and other gases. They are emitted from fossil fuel combustion and a range of industrial and agricultural processes.
The evidence is incontrovertible: Global warming is occurring."
Climate Change
