the Piwd Pipers of Denialism

We'll all know who's winning when climate change legislation comes up for a vote later this year!!!!
Then we will see if the science matters!!!

Another symptom of your severe retardation, kookie, is your delusion that politics determines whether or not science/reality matters.
Waaaaahhh? Your whole cult is dominated by politics asshat.
You're thinking of your own cult there, walleyed. You denier cultists are entirely motivated by the politics. The intelligent people who comprehend the situation have the science on our side.




Give us one measurable experiment that supports (note I'm not asking for proof, just one that supports) the CO2 theory of warming. Just one, and it can't be a computer model, it MUST be a real experiment.

C'mon bigmouth, put up or shut up.

From one of the denier cult's favorite, most often cited, climate scientists.

Help! Back Radiation has Invaded my Backyard!
Measuring The (Nonexistent) Greenhouse Effect in My Backyard with a Handheld IR Thermometer and The Box

by Roy W. Spencer, Ph. D.
August 6th, 2010
(excerpts)
One of the claims of greenhouse and global warming theory that many people find hard to grasp is that there is a large flow of infrared radiation downward from the sky which keeps the surface warmer than it would otherwise be. Particularly difficult to grasp is the concept of adding a greenhouse gas to a COLD atmosphere, and that causing a temperature increase at the surface of the Earth, which is already WARM. This, of course, is what is expected to happen from adding more carbon dioixde to the atmosphere: “global warming”. Well, it is one of the marvels of our electronic age that you can buy a very sensitive handheld IR thermometer for only $50 and observe the effect for yourself.
 
Section 4: Scientists, Politics and Religion | Pew Research Center for the People and the Press

6% of scientists self-identify as Republicans, 55% as Democrats.

9% of scientists self-identify as conservative, 52% as liberal.

The numbers hold across all scientific disciplines, nor does it matter if they're privately or publicly employed. Most scientists now reject the Republican cult, being that the Republican cult has declared war on reason.

(And remember, kooks, you can't invoke your "They're all socialists who want grant money!" idiot conspiracy theory, given how public or private employment makes no difference.)

Scientists didn't start the politicization of science. Bleating UsefulIdiots like Skook started it. Scientists just responded to the attacks. When the conservative side wants to toss people in jail for reporting the science, it's a natural survival instinct to gravitate to the liberal side.
 
mamooth Scientists didn't start the politicization of science. Bleating UsefulIdiots like Skook started it. Scientists just responded to the attacks. When the conservative side wants to toss people in jail for reporting the science said:
If you believe that, then you are as dumb as a that idiot cat in your avatar. By the way, it is warmers who are calling for skeptics to be arrested, jailed, and executed. Remember the video where skeptics were summarily blown up?

http://tomnelson.blogspot.com/2012/06/warmist-david-suzuki-still-wants-to.html
http://joannenova.com.au/2012/12/de...warming-deniers-should-be-sentenced-to-death/
http://tomnelson.blogspot.com/2010/04/on-greenpeaceorg-physical-threats.html
http://climatenonconformist.wordpress.com/2011/11/01/skepticism-a-crime-against-humanity/
 
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It always entertains me that US Fundemantalists hate the Taliban because they are anti-science and stuck in the stone ages.

You read through this thread and see the same faith-based reactions to science that the Taliban rely on.

The warmer cult members are the ones whose beliefs are faith based.
 
All that shows is what happens when you put "scientists" on the government tit. It's hardly surprising that they end up being big proponents of government.


Even scientists are corrupted by money and fame. What is funny (sad really) is that on every topic except climate science, they readily howl to the moon about people and organizations being corrupted by money but in the case of climate science which is neck deep in government and grant money they suddenly become blind to the corrupting influence of money.
 
It always entertains me that US Fundemantalists hate the Taliban because they are anti-science and stuck in the stone ages.

You read through this thread and see the same faith-based reactions to science that the Taliban rely on.





And yet it is the official position of the Catholic Church that AGW is real...so who's the fundamentalist? Ahhhhh yes....it's all of you!:lol:
 
Another symptom of your severe retardation, kookie, is your delusion that politics determines whether or not science/reality matters.







Waaaaahhh? Your whole cult is dominated by politics asshat. Give us one measurable experiment that supports (note I'm not asking for proof, just one that supports) the CO2 theory of warming. Just one, and it can't be a computer model, it MUST be a real experiment.

C'mon bigmouth, put up or shut up.



West bro........we've talked many times about these people having connect the dots issues, but shit.........this guy needs a GPS to think.

I suppose it is true to say the science matters in terms of it kicking off a dialogue between scientists and meatheads like us on community forums. Makes for good debate on things science, however, none of it ia having any impact ( ie: zero) on policy makers. They are not at all impressed. Members who come in here shouldnt take our word for it West.......all they need to do is google "climate legislation" and "cap and trade" from 2007 on and they come up with squat. Accordingly, the whole "man-made" part of the debate draws a gigantic yawn from those crafting policy, which frankly, is the only thing that interests me in this forum. When Siberia experiences a 70 degree, 3 week snap in mid-January, I'll pay attention to the science stuff, but not a moment sooner. Waste of time.





Much of what yousay is true. However, it is no longer about global warming, it is about governmentalcontrol of people. As such we need to continually hammer the faulty science so that the politicians know that they can't lie about what they are doing.

This is a very serious issue and I can see it leading to a breakdown in society if these asshats actually get their wish. People will go broke paying for the enrgy they need, which will cause them to go hungry which will then precipitate a revolution.

These collectivist nimrods think that they can get away with it but I've actually lived in shithole countries like that, and the American people won't put up with it.
 
If you believe that, then you are as dumb as a that idiot cat in your avatar. By the way, it is warmers who are calling for skeptics to be arrested, jailed, and executed.

Then name a single liberal politician in the USA calling for such a thing. In contrast, I can name many conservatives politicians calling for it. Only your party often makes a policy of calling for scientists to be jailed. And you kiss the asses of the people who do it. (Just making it clear where each of us stand.)

You kiss the ass of the Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli, who launched a witch hunt for the single purpose of throwing a scientist into jail. All Republicans kiss his ass. Several Republican legislators have similar statements, and all Republicans kiss their asses.

Go to any conservative message board, and the comments section is rife with calls for imprisonment. Such statements from conservatives number in the many thousands, while such comments from liberals are a rarity.

Of course, I condemn any and all such statements from liberals and the liberals who made them. Not difficult. It just takes basic morality and consistency.

In contrast, let's see how you guys work.

SSDD, do you condemn the actions of Ken Cuccinelli? Do you condemn all of the congressman who wanted to jail scientists? Do you condemn every conservative anywhere who made such statements?

Bripat, feel free to jump in and answer as well. Do you condemn those people, or do you kiss their asses?
 
If you believe that, then you are as dumb as a that idiot cat in your avatar. By the way, it is warmers who are calling for skeptics to be arrested, jailed, and executed.

Then name a single liberal politician in the USA calling for such a thing. In contrast, I can name many conservatives politicians calling for it. Only your party often makes a policy of calling for scientists to be jailed. And you kiss the asses of the people who do it. (Just making it clear where each of us stand.)

You kiss the ass of the Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli, who launched a witch hunt for the single purpose of throwing a scientist into jail. All Republicans kiss his ass. Several Republican legislators have similar statements, and all Republicans kiss their asses.

Go to any conservative message board, and the comments section is rife with calls for imprisonment. Such statements from conservatives number in the many thousands, while such comments from liberals are a rarity.

Of course, I condemn any and all such statements from liberals and the liberals who made them. Not difficult. It just takes basic morality and consistency.

In contrast, let's see how you guys work.

SSDD, do you condemn the actions of Ken Cuccinelli? Do you condemn all of the congressman who wanted to jail scientists? Do you condemn every conservative anywhere who made such statements?

Bripat, feel free to jump in and answer as well. Do you condemn those people, or do you kiss their asses?







:cuckoo::cuckoo: You really are cuckoo aren't you. No politician that I know of on either side of the aisle has called for imprisonment, death, whatever, of sceptics OR AGW fraudsters.

Cuccinelli has reason to believe (based on CLIMATEGATE) that Mann defrauded the citizens of Virginia and wishes to determine it that is indeed the truth. He is doing his job.

On the other hand, environazi whackaloons HAVE called for the death or incarceration of sceptics on at least four occasions.

So, do you publicly condemn them for that outrageous behavior...or are you going to pucker up?
 
Then name a single liberal politician in the USA calling for such a thing. In contrast, I can name many conservatives politicians calling for it. Only your party often makes a policy of calling for scientists to be jailed. And you kiss the asses of the people who do it. (Just making it clear where each of us stand.)

So now it is only US politicians?....move them goalposts cheerleader. Which liberal politicians have come out in opposition to those calling for the jailing and execution of skeptics?

You kiss the ass of the Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli, who launched a witch hunt for the single purpose of throwing a scientist into jail. All Republicans kiss his ass. Several Republican legislators have similar statements, and all Republicans kiss their asses.

Guess you didn't take the time to notice how much money mann and the university spent, and are still spending to keep data paid for by public tax dollars under wraps. Doesn't that strike you as odd? Or don't you think any more deeply than is required to eat the pap you are being spoonfed?

SSDD, do you condemn the actions of Ken Cuccinelli? Do you condemn all of the congressman who wanted to jail scientists? Do you condemn every conservative anywhere who made such statements?

No I don't. He was trying to gain access to research paid for with public money....research that rightly belongs to the public. Why do you suppose mann and the university have and continue to spend so much money to keep that data secret? When a publicly funded institution tries to keep publicly owned data secret, someone needs to find out why...

Do you think it would have been a good idea to listen to Nixon when he said that there was nothing going on there and we really didn't need to listen to those tapes?
 
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Somewhere along the line, environmental radicals missed the memo: talk is cheap.

:coffee::rofl::coffee::rofl::coffee:


Shale gas boom now visible from space - FT.com


O o o o o o o p s


Like I always say...........nobody cares about the science.


"Denialists" feel like pied pipers because they hail from Realville, which obstensibly means their thinking is dominated by common sense. The world is going to need lots more energy in the coming decades. Governments will be seeking cheap energy because that is they way it is, period. Meanwhile, renewables will continue to be this green fantasy of the far left.............

>>>

Its all gonna be about fossil fuels s0ns >>>

Fossil Fuels: Humanity?s Liberator (escaping the Malthusian curse via coal, oil, and gas) ? MasterResource
 
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Let's summarize.

I simply clearly and openly condemned anyone on any side calling for people to be jailed.

In contrast, Westwall and SSDD went into amusing contortions to justify their unwillingness to condemn such people. Displaying the expected hypocrisy, they excused all such behavior from their side, but were profuse in the condemnation of the other side, even though the other side does it far, far less.

I kind of pity the denialists. They're trapped. Their cult/party has commanded them to support the jackbooted thug tactics. If any of them were to disobey, they'd be banished from the herd. That's like a death sentence to such herd beasts, so they will follow all orders, even knowing in their hearts how immoral it is.
 
Let's summarize.

I simply clearly and openly condemned anyone on any side calling for people to be jailed.

In contrast, Westwall and SSDD went into amusing contortions to justify their unwillingness to condemn such people. Displaying the expected hypocrisy, they excused all such behavior from their side, but were profuse in the condemnation of the other side, even though the other side does it far, far less.

I kind of pity the denialists. They're trapped. Their cult/party has commanded them to support the jackbooted thug tactics. If any of them were to disobey, they'd be banished from the herd. That's like a death sentence to such herd beasts, so they will follow all orders, even knowing in their hearts how immoral it is.

Dr-Michael-Mann-with-a-tree-ring-used-in-paleoclimatology.jpg


"You tell 'em, Sweet Cheeks! This Global Warming right there under my pinkie is fo' real!!"
 
CrazyFrank, given how often you and your side have been caught lying about Mann, why do you think bringing him up again helps your case? We get it already, you're a liar.

Mann didn't lie. You, however, lied about Mann, repeatedly and shamelessly. All denialists lie about Mann. Their political cult has an official list of EnemiesOfTheParty (Mann, Hansen, Gore, Obama, and so on), and the cult has ordered its members to demonize and destroy all such EnemiesOfTheParty.

By the way, Mann's libel lawsuit is preceeding against CEI and National Review. It's an uphill struggle, as it's almost impossible to win any libel lawsuit in the USA. But at least it puts the liars on notice that there are consequences for getting too extreme with the lies. Start declaring that scientists are child molesters, and that will get you a libel lawsuit. Frank, Westy and SSDD no doubt support the tactic of comparing Mann to a child molester, given there doesn't seem to be any immorality they won't support from their side.
 
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Let's summarize.

I simply clearly and openly condemned anyone on any side calling for people to be jailed.

In contrast, Westwall and SSDD went into amusing contortions to justify their unwillingness to condemn such people. Displaying the expected hypocrisy, they excused all such behavior from their side, but were profuse in the condemnation of the other side, even though the other side does it far, far less.

I kind of pity the denialists. They're trapped. Their cult/party has commanded them to support the jackbooted thug tactics. If any of them were to disobey, they'd be banished from the herd. That's like a death sentence to such herd beasts, so they will follow all orders, even knowing in their hearts how immoral it is.

So you think it is perfectly acceptable for a public institution to hide data paid for with public funds gathered by scientists being paid with public funds? Is that what you are saying?
 
By the way, Mann's libel lawsuit is preceeding against CEI and National Review. It's an uphill struggle, as it's almost impossible to win any libel lawsuit in the USA. But at least it puts the liars on notice that there are consequences for getting too extreme with the lies. Start declaring that scientists are child molesters, and that will get you a libel lawsuit. Frank, Westy and SSDD no doubt support the tactic of comparing Mann to a child molester, given there doesn't seem to be any immorality they won't support from their side.



Watch that lawsuit carefully mamooth...it is for show. mann will withdraw the charges as soon as he gets a list of the materials he must produce during the discovery phase. He will find that he must turn over the data he and his university buddies have spent millions trying to keep hidden and will suddenly get less offended and decide not to sue. Or he will turn over the data and be found out for the fraud that he is...... not likely.
 
OOPS, Norway has defected from the global warming hoax.

Norway Data Shows Earth?s Global Warming Less Severe Than Feared - Bloomberg

After the planet’s average surface temperature rose through the 1990s, the increase has almost leveled off at the level of 2000, while ocean water temperature has also stabilized, the Research Council of Norway said in a statement on its website. After applying data from the past decade, the results showed temperatures may rise 1.9 degrees Celsius if Co2 levels double by 2050, below the 3 degrees predicted by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.
“The Earth’s mean temperature rose sharply during the 1990s,” said Terje Berntsen, a professor at the University of Oslo who worked on the study. “This may have caused us to overestimate climate sensitivity.”
 
Then name a single liberal politician in the USA calling for such a thing. In contrast, I can name many conservatives politicians calling for it. Only your party often makes a policy of calling for scientists to be jailed. And you kiss the asses of the people who do it. (Just making it clear where each of us stand.)

So now it is only US politicians?....move them goalposts cheerleader. Which liberal politicians have come out in opposition to those calling for the jailing and execution of skeptics?

You kiss the ass of the Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli, who launched a witch hunt for the single purpose of throwing a scientist into jail. All Republicans kiss his ass. Several Republican legislators have similar statements, and all Republicans kiss their asses.

Guess you didn't take the time to notice how much money mann and the university spent, and are still spending to keep data paid for by public tax dollars under wraps. Doesn't that strike you as odd? Or don't you think any more deeply than is required to eat the pap you are being spoonfed?

SSDD, do you condemn the actions of Ken Cuccinelli? Do you condemn all of the congressman who wanted to jail scientists? Do you condemn every conservative anywhere who made such statements?

No I don't. He was trying to gain access to research paid for with public money....research that rightly belongs to the public. Why do you suppose mann and the university have and continue to spend so much money to keep that data secret? When a publicly funded institution tries to keep publicly owned data secret, someone needs to find out why...

Do you think it would have been a good idea to listen to Nixon when he said that there was nothing going on there and we really didn't need to listen to those tapes?



if the Penn State inquiry had simply done its job then there would be no need for politicians to poke their noses into the affair. simply asking someone whether they are guilty and then refusing to investigate is not an exoneration, it is a whitewash. Penn did not ask for the emails, they did not have IT check whether they had be moved or removed, they did not ask Wahl if he deleted his AR4 correspondence in response to Mann's forwarding Jones' email. as it turns out Wahl did delete emails under FOI investigation, as was quickly discerned when someone actually asked him.

if the emails are harmless why have hundreds of thousands of dollars been spent to hide them? there was no concern about Wegman's right to privacy and his emails were turned over within weeks.
 

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