The living wage

[shintao]

HAHAHA!!!!

Yeah, I laughed halfway through that.

OP says more teens at home, and not at work, will lead to more students at home studying.
OP says more stay at home moms will mean less crime, less unwanted pregnancy, etc.


Hey, OP, ride through the ghetto tomorrow. Notice all the teens NOT working, and all the moms NOT working and all staying at home. Then notice the LOW crime in the ghetto, notice all the teens studying, and notice all the women NOT pregnant out of wedlock.

Your theory is dead on arrival. Sorry.

You're basically saying people should be entitled to get paid more than the market value for their labor.

In other words "I wanna bigger paycheck!!!".

Yeah, working for a living sucks doesn't it.

Irrelevant post is not based on living wage.

 

[shintao]

Let me explain a few things to the knuckle dragger's.

1.A living wage IS NOT minimum wage, and it is paid by the employer, not the government. It is fair wage for any area or family size in America, and sets the lowest wage paid, not the highest. An employer can reward workers for more work.

A living wage gives a worker his living, and that after all is why we work. Other luxuries such as cars, etc. are above the living wage.

2.When you have a living wage workers can buy more from the market. That means more production. That means more workers being hired.

3.A living wage will reduce taxes. When workers come off social programs like unemployment and welfare, your taxes will go down on paying for social programs they were on, as the burden is spread around.

4.The new workers taxes will lower the amount of taxes you have to pay.

5.It is a myth to think that the cost of items will go up to cover living wages. Living wages are set according to the local area living expenses. With more items being sold, employers would have no reason to raise wages.

6.A living wage will stop two people working in a household, and let one worker spend a 40 hour work week for his employer, giving him more time with his family.

7.Crime will go down as more moms stay home, and society has less latch key children to deal with. ie. less drug use, pregnancy, break ins & crime as parents monitor children.

8.Teenagers will not be in the workforce, rather home studying, hence raising America out of the low intellectual levels children face today.

9.Households that chose to have both spouses working or one spouse holding down two or more jobs, will be penalized with higher taxes, perhaps 75% on the additional jobs. This is to cover the costs of an unemployed person they are keeping from working and increased problems for society. ie. crime children, pregnancies, etc.

10.Workers can start employment with the basics they need to do the job in their area, shelter, food, clothes, utilities.

Living Wage Calculator - Introduction to the Living Wage Calculator

already tried in another thread.
FAIL.
Now, as I asked before, who gets to decide wage levels? BY government mandate?
Who pays the additional cost?
Does it apply to small business as well? Or do you propose exemptions? DO you think larger companies would stand for this?
What would be your minimum wage? $15, $20 $30 per hour? Who pays? Where does the revenue come from after you waive you magic wand and this unfunded mandate becomes law?
Look, this has no chance of even getting a mention in Congress.
So why are you bothering to start ridiculous threads such as this.
I have an idea. Start a business and without regard to your revenue stream I want you to pay all of your employees a minimum of $20 per hour. No questions asked. You DO IT!
Then report back in two months after your business fails just like all other socialistic programs. FAIL!

Strictly a whining Loser who is not debating about Living Wage. See what I mean folks? Here is a guy to stupid to pay attention.

#1

 

[rightwinger]

Right now, those who don't earn a living wage receive government subsidies for housing, food and medical care. Local businesses benefit from the government filling the void of low wages. They still get to employ low cost labor and the government pays for the workers to live in the commuting area.

Works out to be welfare for local businesses

 

[shintao]

People live on minimum wage now so your argument is full of shit. Further it is NOT the Federal Governments business what an employer pays his employees. Might be a States business if the people agree and vote for it in an amendment to their State Constitution.

See what I mean folks? People are actually this stupid.

#1.

Hey genius. A federal mandate to dramatically increase wages would result in the failure of a large percentage of businesses. So right back to square one. The marketplace determines wages and that is that.
As previously stated, your idea has not a chance in hell of becoming reality. So just stop the bullshit.
How long have you been #2

You have no idea what reality is, and as usual, you are full of shit.

#5

 

[slackjawed]

Let me explain a few things to the knuckle dragger's.

1.A living wage IS NOT minimum wage, and it is paid by the employer, not the government. It is fair wage for any area or family size in America, and sets the lowest wage paid, not the highest. An employer can reward workers for more work.

A living wage gives a worker his living, and that after all is why we work. Other luxuries such as cars, etc. are above the living wage.

2.When you have a living wage workers can buy more from the market. That means more production. That means more workers being hired.

3.A living wage will reduce taxes. When workers come off social programs like unemployment and welfare, your taxes will go down on paying for social programs they were on, as the burden is spread around.

4.The new workers taxes will lower the amount of taxes you have to pay.

5.It is a myth to think that the cost of items will go up to cover living wages. Living wages are set according to the local area living expenses. With more items being sold, employers would have no reason to raise wages.

6.A living wage will stop two people working in a household, and let one worker spend a 40 hour work week for his employer, giving him more time with his family.

7.Crime will go down as more moms stay home, and society has less latch key children to deal with. ie. less drug use, pregnancy, break ins & crime as parents monitor children.

8.Teenagers will not be in the workforce, rather home studying, hence raising America out of the low intellectual levels children face today.

9.Households that chose to have both spouses working or one spouse holding down two or more jobs, will be penalized with higher taxes, perhaps 75% on the additional jobs. This is to cover the costs of an unemployed person they are keeping from working and increased problems for society. ie. crime children, pregnancies, etc.

10.Workers can start employment with the basics they need to do the job in their area, shelter, food, clothes, utilities.

Living Wage Calculator - Introduction to the Living Wage Calculator

Maybe the 'knuckle draggers" won't notice, but it appears to me to grant the government much more power. If that is indeed the case, then I would oppose such a proposal.

It is a trade off with more benefits to you, than the current state of government power. It is going to lower your taxes and create a smaller government, so it doesn't appear to give government more control over you. In fact if you are making more than your local living wage (most people are), it will have no impact on you at all, cept to lower your taxes.

While I understand your point of view, I would not support it.

 

[shintao]

Heck, if raising the min wage to a "living wage" (who gets to decide what is living or not?) then why not institute a "rich man's wage" so we can all be rich? Instead of a piddling $10/hr why not $50? Why not $500? After all, companies have all this money lying around they could be paying to people.

That is absolutely one of the stupidest ideas I have heard in a very long time. And this site comes up with some winners. It betrays a gross and total ignorance of how wages are set and the realities of business.

Corporations have 1 trillion laying around they could be paying people with a living wage.

When you are stupid yourself, you have no idea what stupid is, so stop trying to impress people here, as it comes across at ignorance. I can tell you have no concept of how living wage relates to business.

 

[Oddball]

It is a trade off with more benefits to you, than the current state of government power. It is going to lower your taxes and create a smaller government, so it doesn't appear to give government more control over you. In fact if you are making more than your local living wage (most people are), it will have no impact on you at all, cept to lower your taxes.

Whenever Fabian socialist/progressive moonbats tell you that their authoritarian central planner do-goodery is going to shrink gubmint, lower your taxes and give you more control over your own life, your best bet would be to lock up your wallet, put on your Kevlar underpants and keep a sharp eye on your six.

 

[shintao]

Heck, if raising the min wage to a "living wage" (who gets to decide what is living or not?) then why not institute a "rich man's wage" so we can all be rich? Instead of a piddling $10/hr why not $50? Why not $500? After all, companies have all this money lying around they could be paying to people.

That is absolutely one of the stupidest ideas I have heard in a very long time. And this site comes up with some winners. It betrays a gross and total ignorance of how wages are set and the realities of business.

SHitno is the Knight that loses the sword fight in the movie "Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

He will beat his point to death in the hopes that just one person will agree with him.
It's sad really. To see such desperation.

The poor Loser cannot find a flaw in the living wage, so decides to attack the messenger, as usual. Crayons might boost his case.

 

[rightwinger]

People live on minimum wage now so your argument is full of shit. Further it is NOT the Federal Governments business what an employer pays his employees. Might be a States business if the people agree and vote for it in an amendment to their State Constitution.

No it's not.

No one "lives' On the minimum wage..

They either get supplemental help from the government or have multiple wage earners in the household.

I know several people who live on minimum wage

Do they support a family? If so, do they get rent subsidies, food stamps, medical coverage? Do they foot the whole bill or do they need government help?

 

[bucs90]

Let me explain something to the Liberal/Fascist/Communists:

None of your nanny state meddling ideas have ever worked.

Of course, you are lying, and support no proof of your assertions, which probably has nothing to do with a living wage. .

What assertion, that Nanny States have always failed in the long run? Here is some proof:

California
New Jersey
New York
Illinois
Greece
Cuba
Spain
Britain
Russia
USSR
North Korea
Venezuela
East Germany

Wanna keep the list going? The more control a government attempts to take over it's people, the closer it gets to the end result of failure.

 

[shintao]

Right now, those who don't earn a living wage receive government subsidies for housing, food and medical care. Local businesses benefit from the government filling the void of low wages. They still get to employ low cost labor and the government pays for the workers to live in the commuting area.

Works out to be welfare for local businesses

Yes, I would like to end this poor capitalist system of patches & plugs to make it work in some knee jerk fashion. A living wage is a fair wage for American workers to succeed. Obviously what we have today is not working, again, and again.

 

[The Rabbi]

Heck, if raising the min wage to a "living wage" (who gets to decide what is living or not?) then why not institute a "rich man's wage" so we can all be rich? Instead of a piddling $10/hr why not $50? Why not $500? After all, companies have all this money lying around they could be paying to people.

That is absolutely one of the stupidest ideas I have heard in a very long time. And this site comes up with some winners. It betrays a gross and total ignorance of how wages are set and the realities of business.

Corporations have 1 trillion laying around they could be paying people with a living wage.

When you are stupid yourself, you have no idea what stupid is, so stop trying to impress people here, as it comes across at ignorance. I can tell you have no concept of how living wage relates to business.

Really? I have a corporation and I hardly have $1T lying around. If I did, I'd be retired. Most people do not work for large corporations, especially those earning lower wages.
You're right: the only concept I have of living wage is something that would make it impossible to hire many workers. That is already my experience with min wage, where I would actually hire someone if I could set the wage rate. As it is I cannot afford to pay someone min wage to do work that will not pay me a sufficient return.
Like I said, you have no understanding business or wages or economics.

 

[shintao]

Maybe the 'knuckle draggers" won't notice, but it appears to me to grant the government much more power. If that is indeed the case, then I would oppose such a proposal.

It is a trade off with more benefits to you, than the current state of government power. It is going to lower your taxes and create a smaller government, so it doesn't appear to give government more control over you. In fact if you are making more than your local living wage (most people are), it will have no impact on you at all, cept to lower your taxes.

While I understand your point of view, I would not support it.

Ok, but would you prefer it over a minimum wage (which you probably don't support either)? I think you have other motives for your opposition.

 

[shintao]

It is a trade off with more benefits to you, than the current state of government power. It is going to lower your taxes and create a smaller government, so it doesn't appear to give government more control over you. In fact if you are making more than your local living wage (most people are), it will have no impact on you at all, cept to lower your taxes.

Whenever Fabian socialist/progressive moonbats tell you that their authoritarian central planner do-goodery is going to shrink gubmint, lower your taxes and give you more control over your own life, your best bet would be to lock up your wallet, put on your Kevlar underpants and keep a sharp eye on your six.

Find the flaw in my 1-10, and the LW calculator link I provided which would show the LW for you area. They could be similar to what you have now.

 

[glew]

So a business owner is paying $7.50 an hour for menial labor(anybody can do it)...The bleeding hearts, with the help of government, raise the minimum wage to $10.00 an hour...The cost of doing business dosen't go up? Businesses running close to the margins, to keep the prices down, won't have to raise prices to absorb that? Why is it that liberal/socialists think the government can monkey around in private business without having an adverse effect? As though printing money without backing it up in some way, will not turn $10.00 an hour into $5.00 an hour...or a meal in a restaurant that costs $10.00 will cost $15.00 the next time you go? "So don't go to the restaurant" you say (and many people will do just that)...The restaurant owner will have to lay off a hostess here...a dishwasher there...a line cook to follow. Or do liberal/socialists think it is the responsibility of businesses to keep or add employees until the business folds and "everyone" is out of a job?

 

[The Rabbi]

Right now, those who don't earn a living wage receive government subsidies for housing, food and medical care. Local businesses benefit from the government filling the void of low wages. They still get to employ low cost labor and the government pays for the workers to live in the commuting area.

Works out to be welfare for local businesses

Yes, I would like to end this poor capitalist system of patches & plugs to make it work in some knee jerk fashion. A living wage is a fair wage for American workers to succeed. Obviously what we have today is not working, again, and again.

Of course businesses and their workers pay tax for programs like WIC. So they aren't exactly getting a free ride.
Why is the system "obviously" not working??

 

[thereisnospoon]

Let me explain a few things to the knuckle dragger's.

1.A living wage IS NOT minimum wage, and it is paid by the employer, not the government. It is fair wage for any area or family size in America, and sets the lowest wage paid, not the highest. An employer can reward workers for more work.

A living wage gives a worker his living, and that after all is why we work. Other luxuries such as cars, etc. are above the living wage.

2.When you have a living wage workers can buy more from the market. That means more production. That means more workers being hired.

3.A living wage will reduce taxes. When workers come off social programs like unemployment and welfare, your taxes will go down on paying for social programs they were on, as the burden is spread around.

4.The new workers taxes will lower the amount of taxes you have to pay.

5.It is a myth to think that the cost of items will go up to cover living wages. Living wages are set according to the local area living expenses. With more items being sold, employers would have no reason to raise wages.

6.A living wage will stop two people working in a household, and let one worker spend a 40 hour work week for his employer, giving him more time with his family.

7.Crime will go down as more moms stay home, and society has less latch key children to deal with. ie. less drug use, pregnancy, break ins & crime as parents monitor children.

8.Teenagers will not be in the workforce, rather home studying, hence raising America out of the low intellectual levels children face today.

9.Households that chose to have both spouses working or one spouse holding down two or more jobs, will be penalized with higher taxes, perhaps 75% on the additional jobs. This is to cover the costs of an unemployed person they are keeping from working and increased problems for society. ie. crime children, pregnancies, etc.

10.Workers can start employment with the basics they need to do the job in their area, shelter, food, clothes, utilities.

Living Wage Calculator - Introduction to the Living Wage Calculator

already tried in another thread.
FAIL.
Now, as I asked before, who gets to decide wage levels? BY government mandate?
Who pays the additional cost?
Does it apply to small business as well? Or do you propose exemptions? DO you think larger companies would stand for this?
What would be your minimum wage? $15, $20 $30 per hour? Who pays? Where does the revenue come from after you waive you magic wand and this unfunded mandate becomes law?
Look, this has no chance of even getting a mention in Congress.
So why are you bothering to start ridiculous threads such as this.
I have an idea. Start a business and without regard to your revenue stream I want you to pay all of your employees a minimum of $20 per hour. No questions asked. You DO IT!
Then report back in two months after your business fails just like all other socialistic programs. FAIL!

Strictly a whining Loser who is not debating about Living Wage. See what I mean folks? Here is a guy to stupid to pay attention.

#1

Just answer the questions. Or are you going to evade the issues once again?
Here are the questions.....
who gets to decide wage levels? BY government mandate?
Who pays the additional cost?
Does it apply to small business as well? Or do you propose exemptions? DO you think larger companies would stand for this?
What would be your minimum wage? $15, $20 $30 per hour? Who pays? Where does the revenue come from after you waive you magic wand and this unfunded mandate becomes law?
I am not letting this go. I will force you to answer or you will be called on bullshit.
You are so full of utopian ideas with ZERO in the way of how to pay for such ideas.
All you do is propose robbing people of their God given freedoms.

 

[shintao]

Let me explain something to the Liberal/Fascist/Communists:

None of your nanny state meddling ideas have ever worked.

Of course, you are lying, and support no proof of your assertions, which probably has nothing to do with a living wage. .

What assertion, that Nanny States have always failed in the long run? Here is some proof:

California
New Jersey
New York
Illinois
Greece
Cuba
Spain
Britain
Russia
USSR
North Korea
Venezuela
East Germany

Wanna keep the list going? The more control a government attempts to take over it's people, the closer it gets to the end result of failure.

As I suspected, it has nothing to do with the Living Wage we are discussing here. HINT: Go read the 1st starting thread, go to link and learn how to use the calculator for your state.

 

[thereisnospoon]

So a business owner is paying $7.50 an hour for menial labor(anybody can do it)...The bleeding hearts, with the help of government, raise the minimum wage to $10.00 an hour...The cost of doing business dosen't go up? Businesses running close to the margins, to keep the prices down, won't have to raise prices to absorb that? Why is it that liberal/socialists think the government can monkey around in private business without having an adverse effect? As though printing money without backing it up in some way, will not turn $10.00 an hour into $5.00 an hour...or a meal in a restaurant that costs $10.00 will cost $15.00 the next time you go? "So don't go to the restaurant" you say (and many people will do just that)...The restaurant owner will have to lay off a hostess here...a dishwasher there...a line cook to follow. Or do liberal/socialists think it is the responsibility of businesses to keep or add employees until the business folds and "everyone" is out of a job?

You are attempting to present a rational argument to an irrational person who thinks HE cornered the market on being right.

 

[ConservativeDad]

Let me explain a few things to the knuckle dragger's.

1.A living wage IS NOT minimum wage, and it is paid by the employer, not the government. It is fair wage for any area or family size in America, and sets the lowest wage paid, not the highest. An employer can reward workers for more work.

A living wage gives a worker his living, and that after all is why we work. Other luxuries such as cars, etc. are above the living wage.

2.When you have a living wage workers can buy more from the market. That means more production. That means more workers being hired.

3.A living wage will reduce taxes. When workers come off social programs like unemployment and welfare, your taxes will go down on paying for social programs they were on, as the burden is spread around.

4.The new workers taxes will lower the amount of taxes you have to pay.

5.It is a myth to think that the cost of items will go up to cover living wages. Living wages are set according to the local area living expenses. With more items being sold, employers would have no reason to raise wages.

6.A living wage will stop two people working in a household, and let one worker spend a 40 hour work week for his employer, giving him more time with his family.

7.Crime will go down as more moms stay home, and society has less latch key children to deal with. ie. less drug use, pregnancy, break ins & crime as parents monitor children.

8.Teenagers will not be in the workforce, rather home studying, hence raising America out of the low intellectual levels children face today.

9.Households that chose to have both spouses working or one spouse holding down two or more jobs, will be penalized with higher taxes, perhaps 75% on the additional jobs. This is to cover the costs of an unemployed person they are keeping from working and increased problems for society. ie. crime children, pregnancies, etc.

10.Workers can start employment with the basics they need to do the job in their area, shelter, food, clothes, utilities.

Living Wage Calculator - Introduction to the Living Wage Calculator

My favorite:

A living wage gives a worker his living, and that after all is why we work. Other luxuries such as cars, etc. are above the living wage.

No need for cars in this alternate reality anyway. You can just ride your personal unicorn to work.