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Seriously... you must be consumed with this? You do not believe in any god, you surely do not believe Jesus Christ is God, you surely would not believe the Catholic faith is the truest of them all for many reasons --- and yet, all you can get yourself to talk about is the teaching about the real presence in the communion host. As though if God were real, that would be such a tough trick for him.
You are mistaken. I do believe in God, I just don't believe in the lies that you speak in his name, that he is a coequal trinity in three persons that became a man who is present in something made by human hands which must be eaten for a person to receive eternal life.
God is pure spirit, pure consciousness and cannot be eaten by humans. You have been tricked by the devil.
>>If you really did love Jesus and believed in God, eternal damnation, etc., and gave a shit whether you were lying in their name and misleading others to their destruction you should just shut up already and go back to the drawing board.<<
Oh, and I am to accept you as the final judge as to who is lying? You have no answers to supernatural manifestations, and yet, you talk so bravely. :0
No the very Jesus whose teachings you desecrate as a matter of religious devotion is your judge.
And no, I maintain no illusions that you would accept anything that I say. You don't believe in the God of Abraham, the God of Jesus, and do not believe in the divine commands, the teachings of Moses and all of the prophets......
But I do have to thank you for helping to show the wisdom of God in giving the command to refrain from the flesh of anything that crawls on its belly and for demonstrating so perfectly the disturbing and terrifying death of intelligence consequent to disobedience.
I thought it had been switched to Judeo-Christian, which the Jews have actually been the ones behind no prays in school, and all the anti religious stuff, and well Hollywood is Jewish, so if the Christians wonder why Christianity is disappearing ask the mainly secular Jews.
If this nation has become non-Christian, I blame Christians for that. Instead of following the example of Jesus Christ, they have turned aside to seek political power and control over other people. Their message is one of hate and intolerance, not love.
They are no different from the Pharisees.
I thought it had been switched to Judeo-Christian, which the Jews have actually been the ones behind no prays in school, and all the anti religious stuff, and well Hollywood is Jewish, so if the Christians wonder why Christianity is disappearing ask the mainly secular Jews.
I thought it had been switched to Judeo-Christian, which the Jews have actually been the ones behind no prays in school, and all the anti religious stuff, and well Hollywood is Jewish, so if the Christians wonder why Christianity is disappearing ask the mainly secular Jews.
I thought it had been switched to Judeo-Christian, which the Jews have actually been the ones behind no prays in school, and all the anti religious stuff, and well Hollywood is Jewish, so if the Christians wonder why Christianity is disappearing ask the mainly secular Jews.
How can someone be a secular Jew, pray tell?
I thought it had been switched to Judeo-Christian, which the Jews have actually been the ones behind no prays in school, and all the anti religious stuff, and well Hollywood is Jewish, so if the Christians wonder why Christianity is disappearing ask the mainly secular Jews.
How can someone be a secular Jew, pray tell?
jews define what is "secular jew"------a "secular jew"----for a jew adherent to ritual is any jew less adherent than is he. Try not to obsess on the concept. There have been secular jews since moses ascended mount Sinai. In fact----there have been secular jews since before jews were called jews. Esau----the fraternal twin brother of Jacob (later renamed 'Israel') was a secular Jew (actually a secular Hebrew) He entertained himself by hunting wild animals which is proscribed for adherent Jews (at that time called 'hebrew') ---therefore he was a secular jew (Hebrew). Feel free to ask questions
I thought it had been switched to Judeo-Christian, which the Jews have actually been the ones behind no prays in school, and all the anti religious stuff, and well Hollywood is Jewish, so if the Christians wonder why Christianity is disappearing ask the mainly secular Jews.
How can someone be a secular Jew, pray tell?
jews define what is "secular jew"------a "secular jew"----for a jew adherent to ritual is any jew less adherent than is he. Try not to obsess on the concept. There have been secular jews since moses ascended mount Sinai. In fact----there have been secular jews since before jews were called jews. Esau----the fraternal twin brother of Jacob (later renamed 'Israel') was a secular Jew (actually a secular Hebrew) He entertained himself by hunting wild animals which is proscribed for adherent Jews (at that time called 'hebrew') ---therefore he was a secular jew (Hebrew). Feel free to ask questions
They are atheist or agnostic and see Judaism as a more a tradition and culture , not religion. Esau and Jacob were not even jews.
If this nation has become non-Christian, I blame Christians for that. Instead of following the example of Jesus Christ, they have turned aside to seek political power and control over other people. Their message is one of hate and intolerance, not love.
They are no different from the Pharisees.
I thought it had been switched to Judeo-Christian, which the Jews have actually been the ones behind no prays in school, and all the anti religious stuff, and well Hollywood is Jewish, so if the Christians wonder why Christianity is disappearing ask the mainly secular Jews.
How can someone be a secular Jew, pray tell?
jews define what is "secular jew"------a "secular jew"----for a jew adherent to ritual is any jew less adherent than is he. Try not to obsess on the concept. There have been secular jews since moses ascended mount Sinai. In fact----there have been secular jews since before jews were called jews. Esau----the fraternal twin brother of Jacob (later renamed 'Israel') was a secular Jew (actually a secular Hebrew) He entertained himself by hunting wild animals which is proscribed for adherent Jews (at that time called 'hebrew') ---therefore he was a secular jew (Hebrew). Feel free to ask questions
They are atheist or agnostic and see Judaism as a more a tradition and culture , not religion. Esau and Jacob were not even jews.
you----have no idea how another person "sees" anything------all you see is the cock you happen to
be sucking at any given moment. Esau and Jacob
are historical characters who did not speak English-----
you will have no opportunity to sell your stinking ass to either of them----they are both dead
I thought it had been switched to Judeo-Christian, which the Jews have actually been the ones behind no prays in school, and all the anti religious stuff, and well Hollywood is Jewish, so if the Christians wonder why Christianity is disappearing ask the mainly secular Jews.
How can someone be a secular Jew, pray tell?
jews define what is "secular jew"------a "secular jew"----for a jew adherent to ritual is any jew less adherent than is he. Try not to obsess on the concept. There have been secular jews since moses ascended mount Sinai. In fact----there have been secular jews since before jews were called jews. Esau----the fraternal twin brother of Jacob (later renamed 'Israel') was a secular Jew (actually a secular Hebrew) He entertained himself by hunting wild animals which is proscribed for adherent Jews (at that time called 'hebrew') ---therefore he was a secular jew (Hebrew). Feel free to ask questions
They are atheist or agnostic and see Judaism as a more a tradition and culture , not religion. Esau and Jacob were not even jews.
you----have no idea how another person "sees" anything------all you see is the cock you happen to
be sucking at any given moment. Esau and Jacob
are historical characters who did not speak English-----
you will have no opportunity to sell your stinking ass to either of them----they are both dead
If they existed.
If this nation has become non-Christian, I blame Christians for that. Instead of following the example of Jesus Christ, they have turned aside to seek political power and control over other people. Their message is one of hate and intolerance, not love.
They are no different from the Pharisees.
Jesus was a Pharisee -----the Pharisees at the time of
Jesus had no power. Their influence was entirely in the field of scholarship. The people in power were the romans and the SADDUCEE shills to whom they conferred some power
If this nation has become non-Christian, I blame Christians for that. Instead of following the example of Jesus Christ, they have turned aside to seek political power and control over other people. Their message is one of hate and intolerance, not love.
They are no different from the Pharisees.
Jesus was a Pharisee -----the Pharisees at the time of
Jesus had no power. Their influence was entirely in the field of scholarship. The people in power were the romans and the SADDUCEE shills to whom they conferred some power
Jesus was not a Pharisee. Why are you making that claim?
If this nation has become non-Christian, I blame Christians for that. Instead of following the example of Jesus Christ, they have turned aside to seek political power and control over other people. Their message is one of hate and intolerance, not love.
They are no different from the Pharisees.
Jesus was a Pharisee -----the Pharisees at the time of
Jesus had no power. Their influence was entirely in the field of scholarship. The people in power were the romans and the SADDUCEE shills to whom they conferred some power
Jesus was not a Pharisee. Why are you making that claim?
because I am not stupid. I never had a "religious" education------For an American jew like me that means
I never went to "Hebrew school" or any jewish summer
camp etc etc----my parents are secular type democrats of the typical jewish type. I grew up in a mostly Christian (catholic and protestant of the Lutheran/Methodist/Episcopalian type) town and did
get invited to "sunday school"-------and attended public
school-----town type. Ie---very white bread American
upbringing---except democrat parents in a republican
town. My one real problem was I was a precocious and
avid reader with not a whole lot to read-----so I read
anything around----including the bible----"old" and "new"
I learned all kinds of ODD things and can do fairly
well----guessing---whilst watching Jeapordy. I know
stuff about the situation in "JUDEA" at the time Jesus
lived as a matter of simple general knowledge As a teen I learned a tiny bit of Hebrew (in an entirely secular
public school setting) I took a look at some of the actual writings of about 2000 years ago----like Josephus
Flavius, Philo, Hillel etc. and later on I lived amongst
really hot shot jews-----ie chassidim and learned stuff
about their POV (generally as an outsider) I will give
you a little clue ----if you are a Christian-----you have
absolutely no idea who and what Pharisees were---
every word you heard about them in sunday school
and church was SHEER NONSENSE. What you heard about Pharisees was invented by the ROMANS
who hated them because they rebelled against roman
rule. Here is another clue----HILLEL was a popular
scholar at the time of Jesus (died either right before Jesus was born or right after) If you read the NT and
the writings of Hillel, you would know that Jesus---like
all the rest of the Pharisees were HIS FOLLOWERS.
Also----another fact that you never heard in sunday school-------the PHARISEES HATED THE MONEY
CHANGERS who set up in the temple courtyard---
WITH ALL THEIR HEARTS
If this nation has become non-Christian, I blame Christians for that. Instead of following the example of Jesus Christ, they have turned aside to seek political power and control over other people. Their message is one of hate and intolerance, not love.
They are no different from the Pharisees.
Jesus was a Pharisee -----the Pharisees at the time of
Jesus had no power. Their influence was entirely in the field of scholarship. The people in power were the romans and the SADDUCEE shills to whom they conferred some power
Jesus was not a Pharisee. Why are you making that claim?
because I am not stupid. I never had a "religious" education------For an American jew like me that means
I never went to "Hebrew school" or any jewish summer
camp etc etc----my parents are secular type democrats of the typical jewish type. I grew up in a mostly Christian (catholic and protestant of the Lutheran/Methodist/Episcopalian type) town and did
get invited to "sunday school"-------and attended public
school-----town type. Ie---very white bread American
upbringing---except democrat parents in a republican
town. My one real problem was I was a precocious and
avid reader with not a whole lot to read-----so I read
anything around----including the bible----"old" and "new"
I learned all kinds of ODD things and can do fairly
well----guessing---whilst watching Jeapordy. I know
stuff about the situation in "JUDEA" at the time Jesus
lived as a matter of simple general knowledge As a teen I learned a tiny bit of Hebrew (in an entirely secular
public school setting) I took a look at some of the actual writings of about 2000 years ago----like Josephus
Flavius, Philo, Hillel etc. and later on I lived amongst
really hot shot jews-----ie chassidim and learned stuff
about their POV (generally as an outsider) I will give
you a little clue ----if you are a Christian-----you have
absolutely no idea who and what Pharisees were---
every word you heard about them in sunday school
and church was SHEER NONSENSE. What you heard about Pharisees was invented by the ROMANS
who hated them because they rebelled against roman
rule. Here is another clue----HILLEL was a popular
scholar at the time of Jesus (died either right before Jesus was born or right after) If you read the NT and
the writings of Hillel, you would know that Jesus---like
all the rest of the Pharisees were HIS FOLLOWERS.
Also----another fact that you never heard in sunday school-------the PHARISEES HATED THE MONEY
CHANGERS who set up in the temple courtyard---
WITH ALL THEIR HEARTS
Educate yourself.
"The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses' seat; so practice and observe whatever they tell you, but not what they do; for they preach, but do not practice. They bind heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with their finger. They do all their deeds to be seen by men; for they make their phylacteries broad and their fringes long, and they love the place of honor at feasts and the best seats in the synagogues, and salutations in the market places, and being called rabbi by men. But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brethren. And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven." (Matthew 23:2-9 RSV)
I cannot think of one good reason why you should feel comfortable about your own destiny as well.
If this nation has become non-Christian, I blame Christians for that. Instead of following the example of Jesus Christ, they have turned aside to seek political power and control over other people. Their message is one of hate and intolerance, not love.
They are no different from the Pharisees.
Jesus was a Pharisee -----the Pharisees at the time of
Jesus had no power. Their influence was entirely in the field of scholarship. The people in power were the romans and the SADDUCEE shills to whom they conferred some power
Jesus was not a Pharisee. Why are you making that claim?
because I am not stupid. I never had a "religious" education------For an American jew like me that means
I never went to "Hebrew school" or any jewish summer
camp etc etc----my parents are secular type democrats of the typical jewish type. I grew up in a mostly Christian (catholic and protestant of the Lutheran/Methodist/Episcopalian type) town and did
get invited to "sunday school"-------and attended public
school-----town type. Ie---very white bread American
upbringing---except democrat parents in a republican
town. My one real problem was I was a precocious and
avid reader with not a whole lot to read-----so I read
anything around----including the bible----"old" and "new"
I learned all kinds of ODD things and can do fairly
well----guessing---whilst watching Jeapordy. I know
stuff about the situation in "JUDEA" at the time Jesus
lived as a matter of simple general knowledge As a teen I learned a tiny bit of Hebrew (in an entirely secular
public school setting) I took a look at some of the actual writings of about 2000 years ago----like Josephus
Flavius, Philo, Hillel etc. and later on I lived amongst
really hot shot jews-----ie chassidim and learned stuff
about their POV (generally as an outsider) I will give
you a little clue ----if you are a Christian-----you have
absolutely no idea who and what Pharisees were---
every word you heard about them in sunday school
and church was SHEER NONSENSE. What you heard about Pharisees was invented by the ROMANS
who hated them because they rebelled against roman
rule. Here is another clue----HILLEL was a popular
scholar at the time of Jesus (died either right before Jesus was born or right after) If you read the NT and
the writings of Hillel, you would know that Jesus---like
all the rest of the Pharisees were HIS FOLLOWERS.
Also----another fact that you never heard in sunday school-------the PHARISEES HATED THE MONEY
CHANGERS who set up in the temple courtyard---
WITH ALL THEIR HEARTS
Educate yourself.
"The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses' seat; so practice and observe whatever they tell you, but not what they do; for they preach, but do not practice. They bind heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with their finger. They do all their deeds to be seen by men; for they make their phylacteries broad and their fringes long, and they love the place of honor at feasts and the best seats in the synagogues, and salutations in the market places, and being called rabbi by men. But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brethren. And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven." (Matthew 23:2-9 RSV)
No one knows who Matthew was. He has a Hebrew name-----but no history. No one knows who wrote the
book attributed to Matthew or even when it was written.
The NT was compiled under the editorship of CONSTANTINE-----he hated Pharisees and murdered
lots of them. He had nothing against the "money-changers" It is almost surprising that the episode of
overturning their tables ---'GOT IN'
