The decline of Christian America

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My departure from Pat Buchanan is with his views on Israel. But leaving that aside, I think he does well in describing the state of the union. Only a non-believer could disagree. Only a “true” Christian could understand. Not many of those left.

http://buchanan.org/blog/the-decline-of-christian-america-16069

The Decline of Christian America Tuesday - May 26, 2015 at 12:22 am By Patrick J. Buchanan

“This is a Christian nation,” said the Supreme Court in 1892.

“America was born a Christian nation,” echoed Woodrow Wilson. Harry Truman affirmed it: “This is a Christian nation.”

But in 2009, Barack Hussein Obama begged to differ: “We do not consider ourselves a Christian nation.”

Comes now a Pew Research Center survey that reveals the United States is de-Christianizing at an accelerated rate.

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So as a good Christian nation in the 1950's we should be proud of negro hating, Jew/queer killing and oppression of women and children,,,killer!!!

Who said everything was better then? Some morals and values do evolve, but many others devolve. You apparently think we have come close to godliness these past few decades.
 
So as a good Christian nation in the 1950's we should be proud of negro hating, Jew/queer killing and oppression of women and children,,,killer!!!

Who said everything was better then? Some morals and values do evolve, but many others devolve. You apparently think we have come close to godliness these past few decades.
As a nation we have declined in religious social control compared to when I was a kid..in the 1960's...
 
My departure from Pat Buchanan is with his views on Israel. But leaving that aside, I think he does well in describing the state of the union. Only a non-believer could disagree. Only a “true” Christian could understand. Not many of those left.

http://buchanan.org/blog/the-decline-of-christian-america-16069

The Decline of Christian America Tuesday - May 26, 2015 at 12:22 am By Patrick J. Buchanan

“This is a Christian nation,” said the Supreme Court in 1892.

“America was born a Christian nation,” echoed Woodrow Wilson. Harry Truman affirmed it: “This is a Christian nation.”

But in 2009, Barack Hussein Obama begged to differ: “We do not consider ourselves a Christian nation.”

Comes now a Pew Research Center survey that reveals the United States is de-Christianizing at an accelerated rate.

Whereas 86 percent of Americans in 1990 identified as Christians, by 2007, that was down to 78 percent. Today only 7 in 10 say they are Christians. But the percentage of those describing themselves as atheists, agnostics or nonbelievers has risen to 23. That exceeds the Catholic population and is only slightly below evangelicals.

Those in the mainline Protestant churches — Presbyterians, Lutherans, Methodists, Episcopalians — have plummeted from 50 percent of the U.S. population in 1958 to 14 percent today. By accommodating the social revolution of the 1960s to stay relevant, mainline churches appear to have made themselves irrelevant to America’s young.

The decline in Christian identity is greatest among the young. While 85 percent of Americans born before 1945 still call themselves Christians, only 57 percent of those born after 1980 do.

If we want to see our future, we should probably look to Europe, where Catholic Ireland just voted in a landslide to legalize same-sex marriage and where cathedrals and churches are being turned into tourist attractions and museums and even bars and restaurants.

What are the causes of a de-Christianized America?

High among them is the Supreme Court, which, since the Earl Warren era began, purged Christianity from all public schools and the public square — and has been met with a puzzling lack of resistance from Middle America to the secularist revolution being imposed upon it.

Second, an anti-Christian elite captured the cultural heights — the arts, elite universities, popular culture, the media — and began, through movies, books and magazines, an assault on Christian beliefs and morality.

Third was the social revolution of the 1960s, which began with the arrival of the baby boomers on campus in 1964. Five years on, Woodstock Nation was wallowing in the mud, listening to Country Joe & the Fish.

The counterculture of the ’60s would be used as a foil to build 49-state landslides for Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan, but then the ’60s views and values were embraced by the elites and came to dominate the culture in the time of Bill and Hillary Clinton.

Given his baggage, “Slick Willy” of Yoknapatawpha County would have been a comic figure in the 1950s. Today he is the Democratic Party’s beau ideal of a statesman.

Many churches came out to meet the cultural revolution halfway. The results were irrelevance and scandal — too many Elmer Gantrys in televangelist pulpits and too many predators in priestly cassocks.

What are the consequences of a de-Christianized America and West? Si monumentum requiris, circumspice. (If you would seek its monuments, look around you.)

Half of marriages end in divorce. Fewer children are being born, and of these, over 40 percent are out of wedlock. Record drug use rates and dropout rates and soaring crime rates that have declined only because we have an incarceration rate that rivals South Africa’s.

Despite astonishing advances in medicine, we have far more and far more varied and deadly STDs.

As Christianity dies, individualism, materialism and hedonism replace it. “Selfies” could be the name for the generation for whom Easter Sunday long ago took a back seat to Super Bowl Sunday. More than a million abortions a year, assisted suicide and euthanasia are seen as the milestones of social progress in the new America.

“Panem et circenses,” bread and circuses, were what the late Roman Empire was all about. With us, it is sex, drugs and rock, with variations on all three.

Historically, as the faith dies, the culture and civilization to which it gave birth die, and then the people die. And a new tribe with its own gods comes to occupy the emptying land.

On the old and new continents, it is the native-born of European ancestry who are de-Christianizing, aging and dying. And the nations they created are the ones depopulating.

To occupy Rome, the barbarians came from the east and north. To occupy the West, they are coming from the south. And like the Romans of the fourth century, we seem paralyzed and powerless to stop them.

Christianity was the founding faith of the West. That faith and the moral code and culture it produced once united this disparate and diverse nation and civilization.

As Christianity fades away and the moral code and culture it generated recede into irrelevance, what will hold us together?

Economically, we are dependent on foreigners for the necessities of our national life. Our politics are poisonous. Our racial divisions, once ameliorated by shared belief in the same God and Bible, are rawer than they were in the 1950s.

As for equality, diversity and global democracy, who will march and die for that?

Historian Arnold Toynbee said it well: “Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder.”
 
MY "departure" with that buffoon is virtually full spectrum!!.My main beef being, that he consumes oxygen!!
He's is however correct, thankfully, in his observance of the decline is stupidity of the population...Maybe in another century or so, our descendants will finally be able to thrive, finally relieved of the burden of the mythological deity complex that has been used to control their lives, and collect their wealth..!! :beer:
 
MY "departure" with that buffoon is virtually full spectrum!!.My main beef being, that he consumes oxygen!!
He's is however correct, thankfully, in his observance of the decline is stupidity of the population...Maybe in another century or so, our descendants will finally be able to thrive, finally relieved of the burden of the mythological deity complex that has been used to control their lives, and collect their wealth..!! :beer:
I don't let it take from me anything which I do not give freely...
 
MY "departure" with that buffoon is virtually full spectrum!!.My main beef being, that he consumes oxygen!!
He's is however correct, thankfully, in his observance of the decline is stupidity of the population...Maybe in another century or so, our descendants will finally be able to thrive, finally relieved of the burden of the mythological deity complex that has been used to control their lives, and collect their wealth..!! :beer:

thanks for taking the time to offer your opinion.

In my opinion, I do think Patrick was referring to those similar to you in his lament. No interest in God, no chance for getting it "right." You apparently think the fact America became the greatest nation and the most prosperous and giving nation for the first 200 years, that it was merely a coincidence how Christian it was in all its ways as well.
 
So as a good Christian nation in the 1950's we should be proud of negro hating, Jew/queer killing and oppression of women and children,,,killer!!!

Who said everything was better then? Some morals and values do evolve, but many others devolve. You apparently think we have come close to godliness these past few decades.
As a nation we have declined in religious social control compared to when I was a kid..in the 1960's...

Yes, that was part of the message. Except I would not call it "control" but "choice." Starting with the elites, they have rejected Christianity, no one was forcing them to buy into it earlier.
 
You apparently think the fact America became the greatest nation and the most prosperous and giving nation for the first 200 years, that it was merely a coincidence how Christian it was in all its ways as well.

200 years? Whoop di doo. Once Christianity was assimilated and perverted by the Roman empire, Rome became very prosperous as it went about slaughtering, pillaging, and subjugating the rest of the world for over a thousand years under the sign of the cross.
 
MY "departure" with that buffoon is virtually full spectrum!!.My main beef being, that he consumes oxygen!!
He's is however correct, thankfully, in his observance of the decline is stupidity of the population...Maybe in another century or so, our descendants will finally be able to thrive, finally relieved of the burden of the mythological deity complex that has been used to control their lives, and collect their wealth..!! :beer:

thanks for taking the time to offer your opinion.

In my opinion, I do think Patrick was referring to those similar to you in his lament. No interest in God, no chance for getting it "right." You apparently think the fact America became the greatest nation and the most prosperous and giving nation for the first 200 years, that it was merely a coincidence how Christian it was in all its ways as well.
Where is it written that one needs to worship a mythological deity to grasp the principle of "right"
 
Where is it written that one needs to worship a mythological deity to grasp the principle of "right"


What are the odds that anyone who worships a god made man made matzo made by human hands and then eats it for spiritual life are right about anything?
 
You apparently think the fact America became the greatest nation and the most prosperous and giving nation for the first 200 years, that it was merely a coincidence how Christian it was in all its ways as well.

200 years? Whoop di doo. Once Christianity was assimilated and perverted by the Roman empire, Rome became very prosperous as it went about slaughtering, pillaging, and subjugating the rest of the world for over a thousand years under the sign of the cross.
And you want me to take you seriously with that comment?
 
Where is it written that one needs to worship a mythological deity to grasp the principle of "right"


What are the odds that anyone who worships a god made man made matzo made by human hands and then eats it for spiritual life are right about anything?
Seems to me you have a serious phobia or obsession to get that message out any time the word Catholic is uttered.
 
MY "departure" with that buffoon is virtually full spectrum!!.My main beef being, that he consumes oxygen!!
He's is however correct, thankfully, in his observance of the decline is stupidity of the population...Maybe in another century or so, our descendants will finally be able to thrive, finally relieved of the burden of the mythological deity complex that has been used to control their lives, and collect their wealth..!! :beer:

thanks for taking the time to offer your opinion.

In my opinion, I do think Patrick was referring to those similar to you in his lament. No interest in God, no chance for getting it "right." You apparently think the fact America became the greatest nation and the most prosperous and giving nation for the first 200 years, that it was merely a coincidence how Christian it was in all its ways as well.
Where is it written that one needs to worship a mythological deity to grasp the principle of "right"

It is written in many places. The issue is not where is it written, but our disagreement on what is meant by "right."
 
Where is it written that one needs to worship a mythological deity to grasp the principle of "right"


What are the odds that anyone who worships a god made man made matzo made by human hands and then eats it for spiritual life are right about anything?
Seems to me you have a serious phobia or obsession to get that message out any time the word Catholic is uttered.


LOL,, who said anything about Catholic?

But seriously, if you can't see how degrading and wrong it is to worship and eat something made by human hands for spiritual life how is it even possible for you to be right about anything less important?

If you really did love Jesus and believed in God, eternal damnation, etc., and gave a shit whether you were lying in their name and misleading others to their destruction you should just shut up already and go back to the drawing board.
 
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Where is it written that one needs to worship a mythological deity to grasp the principle of "right"


What are the odds that anyone who worships a god made man made matzo made by human hands and then eats it for spiritual life are right about anything?
Seems to me you have a serious phobia or obsession to get that message out any time the word Catholic is uttered.


LOL,, who said anything about Catholic?

But seriously, if you can't see how degrading and wrong it is to worship and eat something made by human hands for spiritual life how is it even possible for you to be right about anything less important?

Seriously... you must be consumed with this? You do not believe in any god, you surely do not believe Jesus Christ is God, you surely would not believe the Catholic faith is the truest of them all for many reasons --- and yet, all you can get yourself to talk about is the teaching about the real presence in the communion host. As though if God were real, that would be such a tough trick for him.

>>If you really did love Jesus and believed in God, eternal damnation, etc., and gave a shit whether you were lying in their name and misleading others to their destruction you should just shut up already and go back to the drawing board.<<

Oh, and I am to accept you as the final judge as to who is lying? You have no answers to supernatural manifestations, and yet, you talk so bravely. :0
 
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Christianity was the founding faith of the West. That faith and the moral code and culture it produced once united this disparate and diverse nation and civilization.

The ramblings of some breakaway Jewish cult wasn't even a glimmer in Zeus' or Jupiter's or Odin's eyes when the Greek city-states and Roman Republic got the whole western civilization ball a-rollin'.
 
Seriously... you must be consumed with this? You do not believe in any god, you surely do not believe Jesus Christ is God, you surely would not believe the Catholic faith is the truest of them all for many reasons --- and yet, all you can get yourself to talk about is the teaching about the real presence in the communion host. As though if God were real, that would be such a tough trick for him.


You are mistaken. I do believe in God, I just don't believe in the lies that you speak in his name, that he is a coequal trinity in three persons that became a man who is present in something made by human hands which must be eaten for a person to receive eternal life.

God is pure spirit, pure consciousness and cannot be eaten by humans. You have been tricked by the devil.



>>If you really did love Jesus and believed in God, eternal damnation, etc., and gave a shit whether you were lying in their name and misleading others to their destruction you should just shut up already and go back to the drawing board.<<

Oh, and I am to accept you as the final judge as to who is lying? You have no answers to supernatural manifestations, and yet, you talk so bravely. :0


No the very Jesus whose teachings you desecrate as a matter of religious devotion is your judge.

And no, I maintain no illusions that you would accept anything that I say. You don't believe in the God of Abraham, the God of Jesus, and do not believe in the divine commands, the teachings of Moses and all of the prophets......

But I do have to thank you for helping to show the wisdom of God in giving the command to refrain from the flesh of anything that crawls on its belly and for demonstrating so perfectly the disturbing and terrifying death of intelligence consequent to disobedience.
 

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