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I was in the Navy, 3 shipmates were accused of raping a local.
Instead of keeping them on the ship they were handed over to the Italians and put in prison.
In Italian prison, if someone doesn't bring you food, you don't eat.
after ~ 18 months, turned out she lied.
now please prove the military has a culture of rape.
What a lovely story.
Can you prove it?
This is the unfortunate "other side of the coin" that ruins lives and does untold damage to actual victims of rape.
False claims of rape make it very difficult to help victims who need it. It jams up the judicial system and crowds prisons, making it more difficult to prosecute rapist.
So what are you asking here boop?
If someone believes that no such culture of rape exists, I want to hear the logic that goes into that mindset.
What a lovely story.
Can you prove it?
This is the unfortunate "other side of the coin" that ruins lives and does untold damage to actual victims of rape.
False claims of rape make it very difficult to help victims who need it. It jams up the judicial system and crowds prisons, making it more difficult to prosecute rapist.
i hate to hear a 'false rape' thing...crystal magnam will always be a prime example of that...and twana bradley.....but think of all the unreported rapes.....or as marty says the 'questionable' rapes.....i dont get what the a questionable rape is.....if she says no...its rape...
you are the one that seems to have that problem of the morning after rape..i never have....i can say no strongly and mean it..and perhaps it was the company of men i have chosen...rape was not their methods of seduction.....and i never was one to have to get drunk to have a good romp
i feel sorry for men who have to use drugs of any type to get laid...says more about the man than it does the woman
marty honey ...times may have changed but no is still no and rape is still rape....nothing will change that....
lets define rape culture:
Rape culture is a concept which links rape and sexual violence to the culture of a society, and in which prevalent attitudes and practices normalize, excuse, tolerate, and even condone rape.
rape and sexual violence...look at video games and movies....movies are now pg13 but very violent are alloweded
Saw the first season or two...don't remember them celebrating rape,tho.tv shows are shameful in this...sons of anarchy comes to mind....
i think the culture exists in the us and is encouraged by many things and people.....look at fashion...
the waif look...
the barely legal porn sites....
people are all enraged over rape etc but do very little about it....
ask the ladies castro kidnapped....no one noticed them for how long?
okay my son is 31....i do not get this no the next morning ...is that a false rape accusation? i have said what i think of that.....are you saying that you and the girl are so drunk neither can remember what happened? i have never been big for that boy was i drunk last night.....
but i have always told my son..i dont care if you are nekkid and going in for the landing....if she says no.....you stop....simple as that...
perhaps we should also define the concept of rape.....where does one become incapable of consent?
many mentally handicapped people have a strong sexual drive but can they consent to sex?
perhaps we should also define the concept of rape.....where does one become incapable of consent?
many mentally handicapped people have a strong sexual drive but can they consent to sex?
Its not only a question of how one becomes incapable, its also of how, and if the other person is also incabable.
***Listen, I know men and women are different, and in this case the end result is different for both, but when it comes to law, and if we want to create a gender neutral society, one gender cannot get special consideration unless we spell it out explicitly, and have a damn good reason for it.
***i do not see rape as a gender bias...men are raped daily....
In the case of someone spiking a girls drink to have sex with her, the guy is purposefully removing the womans ability to provide informed consent, the use of drugs to remove consent is a crime, and thus the sex is a crime.
***spiking (roofies?) that is just plain wrong and is rape in my book
In the case of them both willfully becoming drunk, having sex that, at the time, was not conested, and then the woman going back on her drunken consent to me cannot meet the level of "rape" as the intoxication was entered willingly by both parties.
***and we begin the slide down the slippery slope....we have all awoken with what was called a coyote hangover...(where you would asoon chew your arm off as wake up the person next to you) my heyday was the 70's...ahhh yes....no roofies we used ludes..talk about sex with the dead but i digress...on the both drunk and then she goes all..... you raped me....to keep face or whatever..that is just wrong...but then again how do you prove consent etc?
If a sober guy however, has sex with an obviously plastered woman, there however is a grey area, which depends on the level of intoxication. I he banged her when she was unconcsious? yeah, thats a sexual assault, but if she's concious, and willing while drunk?
Not an assault to me.
***if one takes advantage of a drunken woman? yes that is assault....how many drunken woman are raped in bars? i think that is assault
When it comes to consent and the mentally disabled, what of the case where both parties are disabled and cannot truly give "consent" is that rape? even if in their limited capacity they did it willingly? Do the girls parents get to decide consent for her?
perhaps we should also define the concept of rape.....where does one become incapable of consent?
many mentally handicapped people have a strong sexual drive but can they consent to sex?
Its not only a question of how one becomes incapable, its also of how, and if the other person is also incabable.
Listen, I know men and women are different, and in this case the end result is different for both, but when it comes to law, and if we want to create a gender neutral society, one gender cannot get special consideration unless we spell it out explicitly, and have a damn good reason for it.
i do not see rape as a gender bias...men are raped daily....
In the case of someone spiking a girls drink to have sex with her, the guy is purposefully removing the womans ability to provide informed consent, the use of drugs to remove consent is a crime, and thus the sex is a crime.
spiking (roofies?) that is just plain wrong and is rape in my book
In the case of them both willfully becoming drunk, having sex that, at the time, was not conested, and then the woman going back on her drunken consent to me cannot meet the level of "rape" as the intoxication was entered willingly by both parties.
and we begin the slide down the slippery slope....we have all awoken with what was called a coyote hangover...(where you would asoon chew your arm off as wake up the person next to you) my heyday was the 70's...ahhh yes....no roofies we used ludes..talk about sex with the dead but i digress...on the both drunk and then she goes all..... you raped me....to keep face or whatever..that is just wrong...but then again how do you prove consent etc?
If a sober guy however, has sex with an obviously plastered woman, there however is a grey area, which depends on the level of intoxication. I he banged her when she was unconcsious? yeah, thats a sexual assault, but if she's concious, and willing while drunk?
Not an assault to me.
if one takes advantage of a drunken woman? yes that is assault....how many drunken woman are raped in bars? i think that is assault
When it comes to consent and the mentally disabled, what of the case where both parties are disabled and cannot truly give "consent" is that rape? even if in their limited capacity they did it willingly? Do the girls parents get to decide consent for her?
now the real sticky wicket....mentally handicapped...hard to pick your way thru this landmine....what if they are both of age and consent....can either really consent.....who is to say a so called 'normal' person cannot fall in love with someone handicapped? sex is a strong drive ......why do we want to deny them that drive and satisfaction but how to keep them from being exploited...now we are breaching subjects neither of us is wise enough to decide.
