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Unless they are in the military, apparently.
That's a lie.
So I will prove it is not a lie, and you will prove it is, yes? I believe that's how we go about debating.
At one time rape was about power. It's moving away from that into being about rights. If there is a right to have sex, rape becomes a method of exercising that right. Otherwise sex is merely a privilege permitted only at the whim of another.
What is the Rape Culture?
Rape Culture is an environment in which rape is prevalent and in which sexual violence against women is normalized and excused in the media and popular culture. Rape culture is perpetuated through the use of misogynistic language, the objectification of womens bodies, and the glamorization of sexual violence, thereby creating a society that disregards womens rights and safety.
Rape Culture | Women's Center
I do see some instances of "rape culture" mentality in the media where the victim is blamed for being raped.
I don't think rape is limited to women only, and so not sure about this websites definition of it, because it excludes the idea that men can be stigmatized and shamed or silenced to not speak out if they have experienced rape.
sorry.... their definition of "rape culture" does not work for me.
rape is not "prevalent" here.
I do agree that there is problem with trying to blame a woman for being raped by what she was wearing, was she drinking, where she was, was no really no....ect...
but that has nothing to do with the rape..... nor is it about "rape culture"
Rape Culture | Women's Center
I do see some instances of "rape culture" mentality in the media where the victim is blamed for being raped.
I don't think rape is limited to women only, and so not sure about this websites definition of it, because it excludes the idea that men can be stigmatized and shamed or silenced to not speak out if they have experienced rape.
sorry.... their definition of "rape culture" does not work for me.
rape is not "prevalent" here.
I do agree that there is problem with trying to blame a woman for being raped by what she was wearing, was she drinking, where she was, was no really no....ect...
but that has nothing to do with the rape..... nor is it about "rape culture"
If we were to agree to define it in this way, that rape culture is about how a society, social media treats a person who was raped by making statements or commentary or analysis on why he/she was somewhat to blame or deserving for having had that experience of rape, then I would say yes rape culture exists.
At what level and how prevalent it exists people could probably debate that.
Does it exist, I believe so yes, but I am basing my opinion on how I have outlined rape culture in this post.
There are those who believe there is no culture of rape, just as they believe there is no war on women (or their rights over their own bodies). If you believe there is no culture of rape, I would like to discuss that with you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlb4Pu23kqw
The question has to be clarified. Are you talking about easy to figure out, violent rape, or the fuzzy, I'm drunk, she's drunk and in the morning one of the parties isn't happy about it "rape"
Of course the 2nd one has to be quantified with any form of spiking, and maybe even if the male isn't drunk. The spiking makes it 100% a crime, the not being drunk I am not so sure.
If there a "culture" of rape, if you consider the I'm drunk, you're drunk interaction "rape" then maybe there is. of course we brought this upon ourselves with the loosening of sexual restrictions, which while were never really effective, at least made promiscuity a taboo topic, and men were at least trained to be respectful to women.
But that may be another debate.
You're right, the 'he said/she said' can do a lot of damage to a poor sod who thinks he just had a drunken revelry, that is absolutely true. This thread is about societal excusing of rape when it clearly happened. But how she was dressed apparently forgives it, or 'she had it coming,' or this entire military mess.
How can rape possibly be excused or justified? Yet it is.
sorry.... their definition of "rape culture" does not work for me.
rape is not "prevalent" here.
I do agree that there is problem with trying to blame a woman for being raped by what she was wearing, was she drinking, where she was, was no really no....ect...
but that has nothing to do with the rape..... nor is it about "rape culture"
If we were to agree to define it in this way, that rape culture is about how a society, social media treats a person who was raped by making statements or commentary or analysis on why he/she was somewhat to blame or deserving for having had that experience of rape, then I would say yes rape culture exists.
At what level and how prevalent it exists people could probably debate that.
Does it exist, I believe so yes, but I am basing my opinion on how I have outlined rape culture in this post.
I am actually seeking clarification for my own thoughts/mindset, but so far, at least from the males, all I'm getting is ... nothing helpful. Nothing to explain why my perceptions are in error. Just the blame/shame game.
The question has to be clarified. Are you talking about easy to figure out, violent rape, or the fuzzy, I'm drunk, she's drunk and in the morning one of the parties isn't happy about it "rape"
Of course the 2nd one has to be quantified with any form of spiking, and maybe even if the male isn't drunk. The spiking makes it 100% a crime, the not being drunk I am not so sure.
If there a "culture" of rape, if you consider the I'm drunk, you're drunk interaction "rape" then maybe there is. of course we brought this upon ourselves with the loosening of sexual restrictions, which while were never really effective, at least made promiscuity a taboo topic, and men were at least trained to be respectful to women.
But that may be another debate.
You're right, the 'he said/she said' can do a lot of damage to a poor sod who thinks he just had a drunken revelry, that is absolutely true. This thread is about societal excusing of rape when it clearly happened. But how she was dressed apparently forgives it, or 'she had it coming,' or this entire military mess.
How can rape possibly be excused or justified? Yet it is.
ok....so now you get to it and here is what you wanted to talk about...
i am pretty sure they would prosecute any rapist who said...she had it coming.
I am pretty sure they would prosecute any rapist who said... i did it becasue of the way she was dressed.
you got two drunk people, now you have a problem.
As a functional man being, I'd gladly be raped by any of Syrenn's avatars. It's 1 of those American Pie moments.
I am actually seeking clarification for my own thoughts/mindset, but so far, at least from the males, all I'm getting is ... nothing helpful. Nothing to explain why my perceptions are in error. Just the blame/shame game.
There are those who believe there is no culture of rape, just as they believe there is no war on women (or their rights over their own bodies). If you believe there is no culture of rape, I would like to discuss that with you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlb4Pu23kqw
The question has to be clarified. Are you talking about easy to figure out, violent rape, or the fuzzy, I'm drunk, she's drunk and in the morning one of the parties isn't happy about it "rape"
Of course the 2nd one has to be quantified with any form of spiking, and maybe even if the male isn't drunk. The spiking makes it 100% a crime, the not being drunk I am not so sure.
If there a "culture" of rape, if you consider the I'm drunk, you're drunk interaction "rape" then maybe there is. of course we brought this upon ourselves with the loosening of sexual restrictions, which while were never really effective, at least made promiscuity a taboo topic, and men were at least trained to be respectful to women.
But that may be another debate.
You're right, the 'he said/she said' can do a lot of damage to a poor sod who thinks he just had a drunken revelry, that is absolutely true. This thread is about societal excusing of rape when it clearly happened. But how she was dressed apparently forgives it, or 'she had it coming,' or this entire military mess.
How can rape possibly be excused or justified? Yet it is.
Unless they are in the military, apparently.
That's a lie.
So I will prove it is not a lie, and you will prove it is, yes? I believe that's how we go about debating.
That's a lie.
So I will prove it is not a lie, and you will prove it is, yes? I believe that's how we go about debating.
I was in the Navy, 3 shipmates were accused of raping a local.
Instead of keeping them on the ship they were handed over to the Italians and put in prison.
In Italian prison, if someone doesn't bring you food, you don't eat.
after ~ 18 months, turned out she lied.
now please prove the military has a culture of rape.
So I will prove it is not a lie, and you will prove it is, yes? I believe that's how we go about debating.
I was in the Navy, 3 shipmates were accused of raping a local.
Instead of keeping them on the ship they were handed over to the Italians and put in prison.
In Italian prison, if someone doesn't bring you food, you don't eat.
after ~ 18 months, turned out she lied.
now please prove the military has a culture of rape.
What a lovely story.
Can you prove it?