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How can you have a second death if it appointed for man to die once?????The second death (Lake of Fire) comes after judgrment.
It means what it says ... the soul of the uncircumcised will not be G-d's people. That is G-d’s covenant.No at all, it just doesn't say what you claim it says.
You've asked your question and your question has been answered.
It says what I quoted, ”And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.” Meaning uncircumcised men are cut out of his covenant.
Not quite.
The verse doesn't say that an uncircumcised man's soul is cut off from God.
That man's disobedience breaks the covenant with God, causing spiritual separation, but it doesn't condemn him to Hell unless he chooses not to seek forgiveness.
God did not cut the uncircumcised man out of his covenant. The uncircumcised man chose not to continue to be part of the covenant with God.
The point is not that God is capricious or vain, but that God is righteous so our sin separates us from him.
I’m telling you what the Torah says. I have no idea from where you get your information.It means what it says ... the soul of the uncircumcised will not be G-d's people. That is G-d’s covenant.No at all, it just doesn't say what you claim it says.
You've asked your question and your question has been answered.
It says what I quoted, ”And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.” Meaning uncircumcised men are cut out of his covenant.
Not quite.
The verse doesn't say that an uncircumcised man's soul is cut off from God.
That man's disobedience breaks the covenant with God, causing spiritual separation, but it doesn't condemn him to Hell unless he chooses not to seek forgiveness.
God did not cut the uncircumcised man out of his covenant. The uncircumcised man chose not to continue to be part of the covenant with God.
The point is not that God is capricious or vain, but that God is righteous so our sin separates us from him.
Exactly what do Jews believe is required to be circumcised in order to become Gods people?
Penises? A circumcised penis is the mark of the covenant between God and man?
Is that really your answer?
Contradictions in the gospels should be the least of your concerns.
I’m telling you what the Torah says. I have no idea from where you get your information.It means what it says ... the soul of the uncircumcised will not be G-d's people. That is G-d’s covenant.No at all, it just doesn't say what you claim it says.
You've asked your question and your question has been answered.
It says what I quoted, ”And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.” Meaning uncircumcised men are cut out of his covenant.
Not quite.
The verse doesn't say that an uncircumcised man's soul is cut off from God.
That man's disobedience breaks the covenant with God, causing spiritual separation, but it doesn't condemn him to Hell unless he chooses not to seek forgiveness.
God did not cut the uncircumcised man out of his covenant. The uncircumcised man chose not to continue to be part of the covenant with God.
The point is not that God is capricious or vain, but that God is righteous so our sin separates us from him.
Exactly what do Jews believe is required to be circumcised in order to become Gods people?
Penises? A circumcised penis is the mark of the covenant between God and man?
Is that really your answer?
Contradictions in the gospels should be the least of your concerns.
Sure, post awsy.I’m telling you what the Torah says. I have no idea from where you get your information.It means what it says ... the soul of the uncircumcised will not be G-d's people. That is G-d’s covenant.It says what I quoted, ”And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.” Meaning uncircumcised men are cut out of his covenant.
Not quite.
The verse doesn't say that an uncircumcised man's soul is cut off from God.
That man's disobedience breaks the covenant with God, causing spiritual separation, but it doesn't condemn him to Hell unless he chooses not to seek forgiveness.
God did not cut the uncircumcised man out of his covenant. The uncircumcised man chose not to continue to be part of the covenant with God.
The point is not that God is capricious or vain, but that God is righteous so our sin separates us from him.
Exactly what do Jews believe is required to be circumcised in order to become Gods people?
Penises? A circumcised penis is the mark of the covenant between God and man?
Is that really your answer?
Contradictions in the gospels should be the least of your concerns.
I get my information that God requires circumcising something more important than the foreskin of your dick from the Torah.
Now you know.
Would you like to see?
Sure, post awsy.I’m telling you what the Torah says. I have no idea from where you get your information.It means what it says ... the soul of the uncircumcised will not be G-d's people. That is G-d’s covenant.Not quite.
The verse doesn't say that an uncircumcised man's soul is cut off from God.
That man's disobedience breaks the covenant with God, causing spiritual separation, but it doesn't condemn him to Hell unless he chooses not to seek forgiveness.
God did not cut the uncircumcised man out of his covenant. The uncircumcised man chose not to continue to be part of the covenant with God.
The point is not that God is capricious or vain, but that God is righteous so our sin separates us from him.
Exactly what do Jews believe is required to be circumcised in order to become Gods people?
Penises? A circumcised penis is the mark of the covenant between God and man?
Is that really your answer?
Contradictions in the gospels should be the least of your concerns.
I get my information that God requires circumcising something more important than the foreskin of your dick from the Torah.
Now you know.
Would you like to see?
So you say, but the Bible doesn’t. There are also millions of people who believe Joachim is Mary’s father. Their guess is as good as yours.I can’t find Mary’s line to David in the Bible. That’s because nothing in the Bible shows a line from David to Mary. To imagine such a line requires you to make one up.You keep going back to Joseph's genealogy and he was not the father of Jesus.
Look to Mary from her bloodline.
Joseph marriage to Mary gives Jesus the legal right to be king .
Mary gives him the bloodline from Nathan, through King David, who was his 3rd son.
Was Mary and Elizabeth related?
Read Luke 1:5 Yes they were.
Being 2 of the 12 sons of Jacob (also called Israel) Elizabeth’s ancestor Levi and Mary’s ancestor Judah were brothers. The children of brothers are cousins.
There were many lines to Judah. Some went through David, many did not. That doesn’t prove she was from David’s seed.I can’t find Mary’s line to David in the Bible. That’s because nothing in the Bible shows a line from David to Mary. To imagine such a line requires you to make one up.You keep going back to Joseph's genealogy and he was not the father of Jesus.
Look to Mary from her bloodline.
Joseph marriage to Mary gives Jesus the legal right to be king .
Mary gives him the bloodline from Nathan, through King David, who was his 3rd son.
Was Mary and Elizabeth related?
Read Luke 1:5 Yes they were.
Being 2 of the 12 sons of Jacob (also called Israel) Elizabeth’s ancestor Levi and Mary’s ancestor Judah were brothers. The children of brothers are cousins.
There were many lines to Judah. Some went through David, many did not. That doesn’t prove she was from David’s seed.
The Jews, in constructing their genealogical tables, reckoned wholly by males, and where the blood of the grandfather passed to the grandson through a daughter, the name of the daughter was omitted. In her place they put the name of that daughter's husband as the descendant of the maternal grandfather.
Mary's father was Eli or Heli ,Joseph was the son in law so the Bible say's Joseph was the son of Heli meaning he was the son in law.
In Matthew it say's Josephs father is Jacob.
But thank you for at least demonstrating the salient point here .... this is a contradiction in the New Testament which nobody knows the true answer. Which is evidence that it’s a farce and that Jesus was a false prophet, leading many people away from G-d.
St. Matthew's genealogy of ChristLOLOL”try me again Bitch...............”LOL
The Bible shows it is. Your hollow denials fail you as always.
try me again Bitch...............
Regarding the first condition, did Mary have brothers?
We have no record of it. The Bible does not mention brothers, but it does say she had a sister.
John 19:25, "Now there were standing by the cross of Jesus his mother and his mother's sister, Mary of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene." It is thought that the sister of Mary was Salome, the wife of Zebedee and the mother of James and John (Matthew 20:20, Mark 15:40).
Please see "The Genealogy of the Brethren", for more.
In the Jewish culture in those days, the mother who was widowed (assuming that Joseph was dead at this time) would have gone to her father, or brother, or to her other children. Apparently, her father was dead, she had no brothers, and she had no other children, so Jesus gave her to John in John 19:27.
The words of Jesus in John 19:27, and lack of evidence of male siblings, strongly suggest that the first condition was satisfied.
The second condition is a bit more involved:
Matthew 1:1-16, "(1) The book of the origin of Jesus Christ, the Son of David, the son of Abraham. (2) Abraham begot Isaac, Isaac begot Jacob, Jacob begot Judah.....(5)...Jesse begot David the king. (6) And David the king begot Solomon of the former wife of Uriah." (Bathsheba)
This Genealogy continues and we see in verse 16, "And Jacob begot Joseph, the husband of Mary, and of her was born Jesus who is called Christ."
Notice that the descendant of David is Solomon. We shall see in Luke's genealogy, a different son of David.
Matthew clearly shows that the bloodline of Joseph does go back to the tribe of Judah, and through king David. If Jesus Christ is the Son of David, then His mother, Mary has to be also of the house of David and therefore by implication, of the tribe of Judah. As we have already seen in Romans 1:3, it could have not been said that the Son was born according to the flesh of the offspring of David unless Mary were of Davidic descent. We shall delve into this further later on.
Luke 1:26-27, "Now in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from GOD to a town of Galilee called Nazareth, to a virgin betrothed to a man named Joseph, of the house of David, and the virgin's name was Mary."
We have already seen that Mary is implied as being of the house of David in Luke 1:32. If she were not of the house of David, then clearly, Jesus Christ could not have been descendant of David as do so many verses attest. She married within her tribe (by implication) and so the second condition appears to be satisfied.
Luke 2:4-5, "And Joseph also went up from Galilee, from the city of Nazareth, to Judea, to the city of David, which is called Bethlehem, because he was of the house and lineage of David, to be enrolled with Mary, his betrothed, who was with child."
Thus Mary, in order to be betrothed to Joseph, had to be of the same house of David as he. Consequently, both conditions for the bloodline to continue through the female line are satisfactorily met by Mary.
You’re too funny.
And by the way, I’m dismissing you again because Luke still says it was Joseph who was descended from David, not Mary. Nowhere in the Bible does it show Mary was a descendant of David.
Shit, you even posted yourself, in big bold red letters, it’s “implied.”
Dumbfuck, implications are non-factual and highly subjective.
That’s why that’s all you have to argue.
yea because you are a heathen and evolved from a monkey, a little Sunday school kid knows Mary's lineage is in Luke you stupid fuck
Is Mary’s lineage in one of the Gospels?
The genealogy in Matt. 1:1f is traced through Joseph, Jesus’ legal (though not natural) father, and it establishes His claim and right to the throne of David (v. 6). The genealogy in Luke 3:23-38 is evidently that of Mary, though some believe it is also Joseph’s, by assuming that Matthan (Matt 1:15) and Matthat (Luke 3:24) were the same person and Jacob (Matt 1:16) and Eli (Luke 3:23) were brothers (one being Joseph’s father and the other his uncle). See note on Luke 3:23.
Many conservative scholars have taken this view because of the many differences in the names between the two accounts. The biggest difference is that after David, many of the names are different. It would seem best to explain the difference by viewing Luke’s genealogy as tracing the physical ancestors of Christ through Mary, while Matthew’s genealogy traces the kingly line of Christ through Joseph.
The following is the comment from The Bible Knowledge Commentary:
In addition Luke’s and Matthew’s lists from David to Shealtiel (during the time of the Exile) differ. That is because the lists trace different lines. Luke traced David’s line through Nathan, whereas Matthew traced it through Solomon. Following Shealtiel’s son, Zerubbabel, the lists once again differ until both lists unite at Joseph whom, Luke noted, was “thought” to be the father of Jesus. Little doubt exists that Matthew’s genealogy traced the kingly line of David—the royal legal line. The question is, What is the significance of Luke’s genealogy? Two main possibilities exist.
1. Luke was tracing the line of Mary. Many interpreters argue that Luke was giving the genealogy of Mary, showing that she also was in the line of David and that therefore Jesus was qualified as the Messiah not only through Joseph (since he was the oldest legal heir) but also through Mary.
2. Luke was tracing the actual line of Joseph. This view maintains that the legal line and the actual line of David through which Jesus came met at Joseph, the supposed father of Jesus. In this view Jacob, Joseph’s uncle, would have died childless and therefore Joseph would have been the closest living heir. Thus Joseph and then Jesus would have been brought into the royal line.
Both views have problems which are difficult to answer, not the least of which is the fact that the two genealogies meet at Shealtiel and Zerubbabel and then split a second time only to come together at Joseph and Jesus. (Cf. comments on Matt. 1:12.) Regardless of one’s view it is important to note an important aspect of the theology Luke expressed in his genealogy. He related Jesus not only to Abraham but all the way back to Adam and to God. This is an indication of the universal offer of salvation, which is common to his Gospel—that Jesus came to save all people—Gentiles as well as the nation of Israel (cf. Luke 2:32).
Luke 3:23 says, “And when He began His ministry, Jesus Himself was about thirty years of age, being supposedly the son of Joseph, the son of Eli.” Many believe that Luke is saying that Jesus was the grandson of Eli or Heli through Mary. Eli was Mary’s father and Jesus’ grandfather. By contrast, Joseph was son of Jacob according to Matthew.
You dumbfuck, you already posted a link saying some think Matthew lists Joseph’s lineage and Luke lists Mary’s ... while others think it’s the other way around.
The truth is nobody knows if either are Mary’s since the Bible doesn’t stay. What it does say is that both are Joseph’s. Anything you state beyond that — is made up.
no one thinks its the other way around you fucking idiot...
it has always been Mathew is Joseph and Luke was Mary's
Genealogy of Christ
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It is granted on all sides that the Biblical genealogy of Christ implies a number of exegetical difficulties; but rationalists have no solid reason for refusing to admit any of the attempted solutions, nor can we agree with those recent writers who have given up all hope of harmonizing the genealogies of Christ found in the First and Third Gospels. The true state of the question will become plain by studying the Biblical genealogies of Christ first separately, then in juxtaposition, and finally in their relation to certain exceptions to their harmony.
St. Matthew's genealogy of Christ
The genealogy of Christ according to the First Evangelist descends from Abraham through three series of fourteen members each; the first fourteen belong to the patriarchal order, the second to the royal and the third to that of private citizens. Matthew 1:17, shows that this arrangement was intended; for the writer expressly states: "So all the generations, from Abraham to David, are fourteen generations. And from David to the transmigration of Babylon, are fourteen generations: and from the transmigration of Babylon to Christ are fourteen generations."
First Series
1. Abraham
2. Isaac
3. Jacob
4. Judas
5. Phares
6. Esron
7. Aram
8. Aminadab
9. Naasson
10. Salmon
11. Booz
12. Obed
13. Jesse
14. David Second Series
1. Solomon
2. Roboam
3. Abia
4. Asa
5. Josaphat
6. Joram
7. Ozias
8. Joatham
9. Achaz
10. Ezechias
11. Manasses
12. Amon
13. Josias
14. Jechonias Third Series
1. Jechonias
2. Salathiel
3. Zorobabel
4. Abiud
5. Eliacim
6. Azor
7. Sadoe
8. Achim
9. Eliud
10. Eleazar
11. Mathan
12. Jacob
13. Joseph
14. Jesus
The list of the First Evangelist omits certain members in Christ's genealogy:
As to the omission of members in genealogical lists see GENEALOGY.
- The writer gives only three names for the time of the Egyptian exile (Esron, Aram, and Aminadab), though the period lasted 215 or 430 years; this agrees with Genesis 15:16, where God promises to lead Israel back in the fourth generation. But according to Genesis 15:13, the stranger shall afflict Israel for four hundred years.
- The three names Booz, Obed, and Jesse cover a period of 366 years. Omitting a number of other less probable explanations, the difficulty is solved most easily by the admission of a lacuna between Obed and Jesse.
- According to I Paralipomenon 3:11-12, Ochozias, Joas, and Amasias intervene between Joram and Azarias (the Ozias of St. Matthew); these three names cannot have been unknown to the Evangelist, nor can it be supposed that they were omitted by transcribers, for this conjecture would destroy the Evangelist's computation of fourteen kings.
- According to I Paralipomenon 3:15, Joakim intervenes between Josias and Jechonias. We may waive the question whether St. Matthew speaks of only one Jechonias or of two persons bearing that name; nor need we state here all the doubts and difficulties connected with either answer.
- St. Matthew places only nine links between Zorobabel and St. Joseph for a period covering some 530 years, so that each generation must have lasted more than 50 years. The genealogy as given in St. Luke enumerates eighteen generations for the same period, a number which harmonizes better with the ordinary course of events.
St. Luke's genealogy of Christ
The genealogy in Luke 3:23-28 ascends from Joseph to Adam or rather to God; this is the first striking difference between the genealogies as presented in the First and Third Gospel. Another difference is found in their collocation: St. Matthew places his list at the beginning of his Gospel; St. Luke, at the beginning of the public life of Christ. The artificial character of St. Luke's genealogy may be seen in the following table:
First Series
1. Jesus
2. Joseph
3. Heli
4. Mathat
5. Levi
6. Melchi
7. Janne
8. Joseph
9. Mathathias
10. Amos
11. Nahum
12. Hesli
13. Nagge
14. Mahath
15. Mathathias
16. Semei
17. Joseph
18. Juda
19. Joanna
20. Reza
21. Zorobabel Second Series
22. Salathiel
23. Neri
24. Melchi
25. Addi
26. Cosan
27. Helmadan
28. Her
29. Jesus
30. Eliezer
31. Jorim
32. Mathat
33. Levi
34. Simeon
35. Judas
36. Joseph
37. Jona
38. Eliakim
39. Melea
40. Menna
41. Mathatha
42. Nathan Third Series
43. David
44. Jesse
45. Obed
46. Booz
47. Salmon
48. Naasson
49. Aminadab
50. Aram
51. Esron
52. Phares
53. Judas
54. Jacob
55. Isaac
56. Abraham Fourth Series
57. Thare
58. Nachor
59. Sarug
60. Ragau
61. Phaleg
62. Heber
63. Sale
64. Cainan
65. Arphaxad
66. Sem
67. Noah
68. Lamech
69. Mathusale
70. Henoch
71. Jared
72. Malaleel
73. Cainan
74. Henos
75. Seth
76. Adam
77. God
The artificial structure of this list may be inferred from the following peculiarities: it contains eleven septenaries of names; three septenaries bring us from Jesus to the Captivity; three, from the captivity to the time of David; two, from David to Abraham; three again from the time of Abraham to the creation of man. St. Luke does not explicitly draw attention to the artificial construction of his list, but this silence does not prove that its recurring number of names was not intended, at least in the Evangelist's source. In St. Luke's genealogy, too, the names Jesse, Obed, Booz, cover a period of 366 years; Aminadab, Aram, Esron fill a gap of 430 (or 215) years, so that here several names must have been omitted. In the fourth series, which gives the names of the antediluvianand postdiluvian patriarchs, Cainan has been inserted according to the Septuagint reading; the Hebrew text does not contain this name.
Harmony between St. Matthew's and St. Luke's genealogy of Christ
The fourth series of St. Luke's list covers the period between Abraham and the creation of man; St. Matthew does not touch upon this time, so that there can be no question of any harmony. The third series of St. Luke agrees name for name with the first of St. Matthew; only the order of names is inverted. In this section the genealogies are rather identical than merely harmonious. In the first and second series, St. Luke gives David's descendants through his son Nathan, while St. Matthew enumerates in his second and third series David's descendants through Solomon. It is true that the First Gospel gives only twenty-eight names for this period, against the forty-two names of the Third Gospel; but it cannot be expected that two different lines of descendants should exhibit the same number of links for the period of a thousand years. Abstracting from the inspired character of the sources, one is disposed to regard the number given by the Third Evangelist as more in harmony with the length of time than the number of the First Gospel; but we have pointed out that St. Matthew consciously omitted a number of names in his genealogical list, in order to reduce them to the required multiple of seven.
Exceptions to the preceding explanation
Three main difficulties are advanced against the foregoing harmony of the genealogies: First, how can they converge in St. Joseph, if they give different lineages from David downward? Secondly, how can we account for their convergence in Salathiel and Zorobabel? Thirdly, what do we know about the genealogy of the Blessed Virgin?
First difficulty
The convergence of the two distinct genealogical lines in the person of St. Joseph, has been explained in two ways:
(a) St. Matthew's genealogy is that of St. Joseph; St. Luke's, that of the Blessed Virgin. This contention implies that St. Luke's genealogy only seemingly includes the name of Joseph. It is based on the received Greek text, on (os enomizeto ouios Ioseph) tou Heli, "being the son (as it was supposed, of Joseph, but really) of Heli". This parenthesis really eliminates the name of Joseph from St. Luke's genealogy, and makes Christ, by means of the Blessed Virgin, directly a son of Heli. This view is supported by a tradition which names the father of the Blessed Virgin "Joachim", a variant form of Eliacim or its abbreviation Eli, a variant of Heli, which latter is the form found in the Third Evangelist's genealogy. But these two consideration, viz. the received text and the traditional name of the father of Mary, which favour the view that St. Luke gives the genealogy of the Blessed Virgin, are offset by two similar considerations, which make St. Luke's list terminate with the name of Joseph. First, the Greek text preferred by the textual critics reads, on ouios, hos enomizeto, Ioseph tou Heli, "being the son, as it was supposed, of Joseph, son of Heli", so that the above parenthesis is rendered less probable. Secondly, according to Patrizi, the view that St. Luke gives the genealogy of Mary began to be advocated only towards the end of the fifteenth century by Annius of Viterbo, and acquired adherents in the sixteenth. St. Hilary mentions the opinion as adopted by many, but he himself rejects it (Mai, "Nov. Bibl, Patr.", t. I, 477). It may be safely said that patristic tradition does not regard St. Luke's list as representing the genealogy of the Blessed Virgin.
(b) Both St. Matthew and St. Luke give the genealogy of St. Joseph, the one through the lineage of Solomon, the other through that of Nathan. But how can the lines converge in St. Joseph? St. Augustine suggested that Joseph, the son of Jacob and the descendant of David through Solomon, might have been adopted by Heli, thus becoming the adoptive descendant of David through Nathan. But Augustine was the first to abandon this theory after learning the explanation offered by Julius Africanus. According to the latter, Estha married Mathan, a descendant of David through Solomon, and became the mother of Jacob; after Mathan's death she took for her second husband Mathat, a descendent of David through Nathan, and by him became the mother of Heli. Jacob and Heli were, therefore, uterine brothers. Heli married, but died without offspring; his widow, therefore, became the levirate wife of Jacob, and gave birth to Joseph, who was the carnal son of Jacob, but the legal son of Heli, thus combining in his person two lineages of David's descendants.
Second difficulty
The second difficulty urged against the harmony between the two genealogies is based on the occurrence of the two names Zorobabel and Salathiel in both lists; here again the two distinct lineages of David's descendants appear to converge. And again, two answers are possible:
(a) It is more commonly admitted that the two names in St. Matthew's list are identical with the two in St. Luke's series; for they must have lived about the same time, and the names are so rare, that it would be strange to find them occurring at the same time, in the same order, in two different genealogical series. But two levirate marriages will explain the difficulty. Melchi, David's descendant through Nathan, may have begotten Neri by a widow of the father of Jechonias; this made Neri and Jechonias uterine brothers. Jechonias may then have contracted a levirate marriage with the widow of the childless Neri, and begotten Salathiel, who was therefore the leviratical son of Neri. Salathiel's son Zorobabel begat Abiud; but he also may have been obliged to contract a levirate marriage with the widow of a childless legal relative belonging to David's descendants through Nathan, thus begetting Reza, who legally continued Nathan's lineage.
(b) A more simple solution of the difficulty is obtained, if we do not admit that the Salathiel and Zorobabel occurring in St. Matthew's genealogy are identical with those in St. Luke's. The above proofs for their identity are not cogent. If Salathiel and Zorobabel distinguished themselves at all among the descendants of Solomon, it is not astonishing that about the same time two members of Nathan's descendants should be called after them. The reader will observe that we suggest only possible answers to the difficulty; as long as such possibilities can be pointed out, our opponents have no right to deny that the genealogies which are found in the First and Third Gospel can be harmonized.
Third difficulty
How can Jesus Christ be called "son of David", if the Blessed Virgin is not a daughter of David?
(a) If by virtue of Joseph's marriage with Mary, Jesus could be called the son of Joseph, he can for the same reason be called "son of David" (St. Augustine, On the Harmony of the Gospels, II, i, 2).
(b) Tradition tells us that Mary too was a descendant of David. According to Numbers 36:6-12, an only daughter had to marry within her own family so as to secure the right of inheritance. After St. Justin (Adv. Tryph. 100) and St. Ignatius (Letter to the Ephesians 18), the Fathers generally agree in maintaining Mary's Davidic descent, whether they knew this from an oral tradition or inferred it from Scripture, e.g. Romans 1:3; 2 Timothy 2:8. St. John Damascene (De fid. Orth., IV, 14) states that Mary's great-grandfather, Panther, was a brother of Mathat; her grandfather, Barpanther, was Heli's cousin; and her father, Joachim, was a cousin of Joseph, Heli's levirate son. Here Mathat has been substituted for Melchi, since the text used by St. John Damascene, Julius Africanus, St. Irenæus, St. Ambrose, and St. Gregory of Nazianzus omitted the two generations separating Heli from Melchi. At any rate, tradition presents the Blessed Virgin as descending from David through Nathan.
”try me again Bitch...............”LOLAnd both attributed to Joseph.
And again, according to Matthew, there are 4 generations missing.
No its not...................
The Bible shows it is. Your hollow denials fail you as always.
try me again Bitch...............
Regarding the first condition, did Mary have brothers?
We have no record of it. The Bible does not mention brothers, but it does say she had a sister.
John 19:25, "Now there were standing by the cross of Jesus his mother and his mother's sister, Mary of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene." It is thought that the sister of Mary was Salome, the wife of Zebedee and the mother of James and John (Matthew 20:20, Mark 15:40).
Please see "The Genealogy of the Brethren", for more.
In the Jewish culture in those days, the mother who was widowed (assuming that Joseph was dead at this time) would have gone to her father, or brother, or to her other children. Apparently, her father was dead, she had no brothers, and she had no other children, so Jesus gave her to John in John 19:27.
The words of Jesus in John 19:27, and lack of evidence of male siblings, strongly suggest that the first condition was satisfied.
The second condition is a bit more involved:
Matthew 1:1-16, "(1) The book of the origin of Jesus Christ, the Son of David, the son of Abraham. (2) Abraham begot Isaac, Isaac begot Jacob, Jacob begot Judah.....(5)...Jesse begot David the king. (6) And David the king begot Solomon of the former wife of Uriah." (Bathsheba)
This Genealogy continues and we see in verse 16, "And Jacob begot Joseph, the husband of Mary, and of her was born Jesus who is called Christ."
Notice that the descendant of David is Solomon. We shall see in Luke's genealogy, a different son of David.
Matthew clearly shows that the bloodline of Joseph does go back to the tribe of Judah, and through king David. If Jesus Christ is the Son of David, then His mother, Mary has to be also of the house of David and therefore by implication, of the tribe of Judah. As we have already seen in Romans 1:3, it could have not been said that the Son was born according to the flesh of the offspring of David unless Mary were of Davidic descent. We shall delve into this further later on.
Luke 1:26-27, "Now in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from GOD to a town of Galilee called Nazareth, to a virgin betrothed to a man named Joseph, of the house of David, and the virgin's name was Mary."
We have already seen that Mary is implied as being of the house of David in Luke 1:32. If she were not of the house of David, then clearly, Jesus Christ could not have been descendant of David as do so many verses attest. She married within her tribe (by implication) and so the second condition appears to be satisfied.
Luke 2:4-5, "And Joseph also went up from Galilee, from the city of Nazareth, to Judea, to the city of David, which is called Bethlehem, because he was of the house and lineage of David, to be enrolled with Mary, his betrothed, who was with child."
Thus Mary, in order to be betrothed to Joseph, had to be of the same house of David as he. Consequently, both conditions for the bloodline to continue through the female line are satisfactorily met by Mary.
You’re too funny.
And by the way, I’m dismissing you again because Luke still says it was Joseph who was descended from David, not Mary. Nowhere in the Bible does it show Mary was a descendant of David.
Shit, you even posted yourself, in big bold red letters, it’s “implied.”
Dumbfuck, implications are non-factual and highly subjective.
That’s why that’s all you have to argue.
yea because you are a heathen and evolved from a monkey, a little Sunday school kid knows Mary's lineage is in Luke you stupid fuck
Is Mary’s lineage in one of the Gospels?
The genealogy in Matt. 1:1f is traced through Joseph, Jesus’ legal (though not natural) father, and it establishes His claim and right to the throne of David (v. 6). The genealogy in Luke 3:23-38 is evidently that of Mary, though some believe it is also Joseph’s, by assuming that Matthan (Matt 1:15) and Matthat (Luke 3:24) were the same person and Jacob (Matt 1:16) and Eli (Luke 3:23) were brothers (one being Joseph’s father and the other his uncle). See note on Luke 3:23.
Many conservative scholars have taken this view because of the many differences in the names between the two accounts. The biggest difference is that after David, many of the names are different. It would seem best to explain the difference by viewing Luke’s genealogy as tracing the physical ancestors of Christ through Mary, while Matthew’s genealogy traces the kingly line of Christ through Joseph.
The following is the comment from The Bible Knowledge Commentary:
In addition Luke’s and Matthew’s lists from David to Shealtiel (during the time of the Exile) differ. That is because the lists trace different lines. Luke traced David’s line through Nathan, whereas Matthew traced it through Solomon. Following Shealtiel’s son, Zerubbabel, the lists once again differ until both lists unite at Joseph whom, Luke noted, was “thought” to be the father of Jesus. Little doubt exists that Matthew’s genealogy traced the kingly line of David—the royal legal line. The question is, What is the significance of Luke’s genealogy? Two main possibilities exist.
1. Luke was tracing the line of Mary. Many interpreters argue that Luke was giving the genealogy of Mary, showing that she also was in the line of David and that therefore Jesus was qualified as the Messiah not only through Joseph (since he was the oldest legal heir) but also through Mary.
2. Luke was tracing the actual line of Joseph. This view maintains that the legal line and the actual line of David through which Jesus came met at Joseph, the supposed father of Jesus. In this view Jacob, Joseph’s uncle, would have died childless and therefore Joseph would have been the closest living heir. Thus Joseph and then Jesus would have been brought into the royal line.
Both views have problems which are difficult to answer, not the least of which is the fact that the two genealogies meet at Shealtiel and Zerubbabel and then split a second time only to come together at Joseph and Jesus. (Cf. comments on Matt. 1:12.) Regardless of one’s view it is important to note an important aspect of the theology Luke expressed in his genealogy. He related Jesus not only to Abraham but all the way back to Adam and to God. This is an indication of the universal offer of salvation, which is common to his Gospel—that Jesus came to save all people—Gentiles as well as the nation of Israel (cf. Luke 2:32).
Luke 3:23 says, “And when He began His ministry, Jesus Himself was about thirty years of age, being supposedly the son of Joseph, the son of Eli.” Many believe that Luke is saying that Jesus was the grandson of Eli or Heli through Mary. Eli was Mary’s father and Jesus’ grandfather. By contrast, Joseph was son of Jacob according to Matthew.
You are thoroughly confused. Circumcision is for Jews to accept G-d’s everlasting covenant. That never changes.Sure, post awsy.I’m telling you what the Torah says. I have no idea from where you get your information.It means what it says ... the soul of the uncircumcised will not be G-d's people. That is G-d’s covenant.
Exactly what do Jews believe is required to be circumcised in order to become Gods people?
Penises? A circumcised penis is the mark of the covenant between God and man?
Is that really your answer?
Contradictions in the gospels should be the least of your concerns.
I get my information that God requires circumcising something more important than the foreskin of your dick from the Torah.
Now you know.
Would you like to see?
Deuteronomy 10:16
Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked. (ancient Hebrew humor)
It is known that ancient people believed that consciousness was seated in the organ of the heart. We now know that consciousness is seated in the organ of the brain. It follows then that whenever scripture is speaking about the human heart the subject is the human mind.
If you had circumcised the foreskin of your mind you would rather die a horrible death than to advocate mutilating the penis of a Jewish man child.
If it is true that the uncircumcised are not Gods people as you said, then until you conform to Deuteronomy 10:16 you are not Gods people, so in the future try to keep in mind that however wrong Christians may be about everything, you ain't right either.
So what is more important now? Convincing Christians that they are confused or circumcising the foreskin of your own mind? If you were children of Abraham you would do as Abraham did.
and Abraham did not turn to a moil.
There is no proof that Joachim was Eli. That is what some folks invented in order to plug the holes in the New Testament.So you say, but the Bible doesn’t. There are also millions of people who believe Joachim is Mary’s father. Their guess is as good as yours.I can’t find Mary’s line to David in the Bible. That’s because nothing in the Bible shows a line from David to Mary. To imagine such a line requires you to make one up.
Was Mary and Elizabeth related?
Read Luke 1:5 Yes they were.
Being 2 of the 12 sons of Jacob (also called Israel) Elizabeth’s ancestor Levi and Mary’s ancestor Judah were brothers. The children of brothers are cousins.
There were many lines to Judah. Some went through David, many did not. That doesn’t prove she was from David’s seed.I can’t find Mary’s line to David in the Bible. That’s because nothing in the Bible shows a line from David to Mary. To imagine such a line requires you to make one up.
Was Mary and Elizabeth related?
Read Luke 1:5 Yes they were.
Being 2 of the 12 sons of Jacob (also called Israel) Elizabeth’s ancestor Levi and Mary’s ancestor Judah were brothers. The children of brothers are cousins.
There were many lines to Judah. Some went through David, many did not. That doesn’t prove she was from David’s seed.
The Jews, in constructing their genealogical tables, reckoned wholly by males, and where the blood of the grandfather passed to the grandson through a daughter, the name of the daughter was omitted. In her place they put the name of that daughter's husband as the descendant of the maternal grandfather.
Mary's father was Eli or Heli ,Joseph was the son in law so the Bible say's Joseph was the son of Heli meaning he was the son in law.
In Matthew it say's Josephs father is Jacob.
But thank you for at least demonstrating the salient point here .... this is a contradiction in the New Testament which nobody knows the true answer. Which is evidence that it’s a farce and that Jesus was a false prophet, leading many people away from G-d.
Joachim is Eli, Heli.
Joachim when you study the language ,seems to be a variant form of Eliacim, which is abbreviated as Eli, a variant of Heli. Hence, though the two names may at first appear quite different, there is a great linguistic similarity between Heli and Joachim.
Jesus leads you to God, not away from him.
Prove it.... quote either the Old Testament or the Talmud....Jewish traditions back then was when a daughter got married, the son in law becomes the son to the father in law. This ensured their daughters blood line of the families.
You are thoroughly confused. Circumcision is for Jews to accept G-d’s everlasting covenant. That never changes.Sure, post awsy.I’m telling you what the Torah says. I have no idea from where you get your information.Exactly what do Jews believe is required to be circumcised in order to become Gods people?
Penises? A circumcised penis is the mark of the covenant between God and man?
Is that really your answer?
Contradictions in the gospels should be the least of your concerns.
I get my information that God requires circumcising something more important than the foreskin of your dick from the Torah.
Now you know.
Would you like to see?
Deuteronomy 10:16
Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked. (ancient Hebrew humor)
It is known that ancient people believed that consciousness was seated in the organ of the heart. We now know that consciousness is seated in the organ of the brain. It follows then that whenever scripture is speaking about the human heart the subject is the human mind.
If you had circumcised the foreskin of your mind you would rather die a horrible death than to advocate mutilating the penis of a Jewish man child.
If it is true that the uncircumcised are not Gods people as you said, then until you conform to Deuteronomy 10:16 you are not Gods people, so in the future try to keep in mind that however wrong Christians may be about everything, you ain't right either.
So what is more important now? Convincing Christians that they are confused or circumcising the foreskin of your own mind? If you were children of Abraham you would do as Abraham did.
and Abraham did not turn to a moil.
Of course it's the foreskin of the penis. G-d was about to take a life at one point because Moses' son was not circumcised but he was saved when when Zipporah circumcised their son by cutting off his foreskin with a sharp stone and throwing it down at his feet.You are thoroughly confused. Circumcision is for Jews to accept G-d’s everlasting covenant. That never changes.Sure, post awsy.I’m telling you what the Torah says. I have no idea from where you get your information.
I get my information that God requires circumcising something more important than the foreskin of your dick from the Torah.
Now you know.
Would you like to see?
Deuteronomy 10:16
Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked. (ancient Hebrew humor)
It is known that ancient people believed that consciousness was seated in the organ of the heart. We now know that consciousness is seated in the organ of the brain. It follows then that whenever scripture is speaking about the human heart the subject is the human mind.
If you had circumcised the foreskin of your mind you would rather die a horrible death than to advocate mutilating the penis of a Jewish man child.
If it is true that the uncircumcised are not Gods people as you said, then until you conform to Deuteronomy 10:16 you are not Gods people, so in the future try to keep in mind that however wrong Christians may be about everything, you ain't right either.
So what is more important now? Convincing Christians that they are confused or circumcising the foreskin of your own mind? If you were children of Abraham you would do as Abraham did.
and Abraham did not turn to a moil.
Yes, you must circumcise the foreskin of your mind, the evil inclination. This will never change.
The mark of Gods everlasting covenant is in the flesh, the teaching, not the penis. You are thoroughly confused.
The teaching and practice of circumcising the flesh of the foreskin of infant penises is the flesh and blood of unclean creatures that do not ruminate.
If you eat the vile and degrading flesh of unclean creatures that do not ruminate it will defile and contaminate your mind and you will die and degenerate into an unclean creature that cannot ruminate.
ITS THE LAW.
If you drink their blood you will say and do stupid things like mutilating the penises of infants as if that was the will of God and the subject of what separates the people of God from the heathen instead of the teaching in the law.
Its about as insane as the Christian belief that a three in one God became an edible human being or the Muslim belief that Mohammed was the last and greatest prophet of a holy God.
If your sin is not as obvious as a white boulder in the middle of a plowed field to you, you might want to consider the possibility that your soul has been cut off for failing to stand guard over the sanctity of your own mind.
Take your time........
IOW, you admit it is NOT appointed for man to die once. Some men will die twice, and as you have already pointed out some men will not die at all.How can you have a second death if it appointed for man to die once?????The second death (Lake of Fire) comes after judgrment.
there is the death consequent to violating the law of God and then there is the death of the physical body.
Those who take part in the first resurrection cannot be harmed by the second death.
Only physical death is natural. People praying to statues for instance and then dying and descending into the netherworld for decades or for life by losing their sanity is not Gods will.
There is no proof that Joachim was Eli. That is what some folks invented in order to plug the holes in the New Testament.So you say, but the Bible doesn’t. There are also millions of people who believe Joachim is Mary’s father. Their guess is as good as yours.Was Mary and Elizabeth related?
Read Luke 1:5 Yes they were.
Being 2 of the 12 sons of Jacob (also called Israel) Elizabeth’s ancestor Levi and Mary’s ancestor Judah were brothers. The children of brothers are cousins.
There were many lines to Judah. Some went through David, many did not. That doesn’t prove she was from David’s seed.Was Mary and Elizabeth related?
Read Luke 1:5 Yes they were.
Being 2 of the 12 sons of Jacob (also called Israel) Elizabeth’s ancestor Levi and Mary’s ancestor Judah were brothers. The children of brothers are cousins.
There were many lines to Judah. Some went through David, many did not. That doesn’t prove she was from David’s seed.
The Jews, in constructing their genealogical tables, reckoned wholly by males, and where the blood of the grandfather passed to the grandson through a daughter, the name of the daughter was omitted. In her place they put the name of that daughter's husband as the descendant of the maternal grandfather.
Mary's father was Eli or Heli ,Joseph was the son in law so the Bible say's Joseph was the son of Heli meaning he was the son in law.
In Matthew it say's Josephs father is Jacob.
But thank you for at least demonstrating the salient point here .... this is a contradiction in the New Testament which nobody knows the true answer. Which is evidence that it’s a farce and that Jesus was a false prophet, leading many people away from G-d.
Joachim is Eli, Heli.
Joachim when you study the language ,seems to be a variant form of Eliacim, which is abbreviated as Eli, a variant of Heli. Hence, though the two names may at first appear quite different, there is a great linguistic similarity between Heli and Joachim.
Jesus leads you to God, not away from him.
There is no proof that Joachim was Eli. That is what some folks invented in order to plug the holes in the New Testament.So you say, but the Bible doesn’t. There are also millions of people who believe Joachim is Mary’s father. Their guess is as good as yours.Was Mary and Elizabeth related?
Read Luke 1:5 Yes they were.
Being 2 of the 12 sons of Jacob (also called Israel) Elizabeth’s ancestor Levi and Mary’s ancestor Judah were brothers. The children of brothers are cousins.
There were many lines to Judah. Some went through David, many did not. That doesn’t prove she was from David’s seed.Was Mary and Elizabeth related?
Read Luke 1:5 Yes they were.
Being 2 of the 12 sons of Jacob (also called Israel) Elizabeth’s ancestor Levi and Mary’s ancestor Judah were brothers. The children of brothers are cousins.
There were many lines to Judah. Some went through David, many did not. That doesn’t prove she was from David’s seed.
The Jews, in constructing their genealogical tables, reckoned wholly by males, and where the blood of the grandfather passed to the grandson through a daughter, the name of the daughter was omitted. In her place they put the name of that daughter's husband as the descendant of the maternal grandfather.
Mary's father was Eli or Heli ,Joseph was the son in law so the Bible say's Joseph was the son of Heli meaning he was the son in law.
In Matthew it say's Josephs father is Jacob.
But thank you for at least demonstrating the salient point here .... this is a contradiction in the New Testament which nobody knows the true answer. Which is evidence that it’s a farce and that Jesus was a false prophet, leading many people away from G-d.
Joachim is Eli, Heli.
Joachim when you study the language ,seems to be a variant form of Eliacim, which is abbreviated as Eli, a variant of Heli. Hence, though the two names may at first appear quite different, there is a great linguistic similarity between Heli and Joachim.
Jesus leads you to God, not away from him.
LOLThere is no proof that Joachim was Eli. That is what some folks invented in order to plug the holes in the New Testament.So you say, but the Bible doesn’t. There are also millions of people who believe Joachim is Mary’s father. Their guess is as good as yours.There were many lines to Judah. Some went through David, many did not. That doesn’t prove she was from David’s seed.There were many lines to Judah. Some went through David, many did not. That doesn’t prove she was from David’s seed.
The Jews, in constructing their genealogical tables, reckoned wholly by males, and where the blood of the grandfather passed to the grandson through a daughter, the name of the daughter was omitted. In her place they put the name of that daughter's husband as the descendant of the maternal grandfather.
Mary's father was Eli or Heli ,Joseph was the son in law so the Bible say's Joseph was the son of Heli meaning he was the son in law.
In Matthew it say's Josephs father is Jacob.
But thank you for at least demonstrating the salient point here .... this is a contradiction in the New Testament which nobody knows the true answer. Which is evidence that it’s a farce and that Jesus was a false prophet, leading many people away from G-d.
Joachim is Eli, Heli.
Joachim when you study the language ,seems to be a variant form of Eliacim, which is abbreviated as Eli, a variant of Heli. Hence, though the two names may at first appear quite different, there is a great linguistic similarity between Heli and Joachim.
Jesus leads you to God, not away from him.There is no proof that Joachim was Eli. That is what some folks invented in order to plug the holes in the New Testament.So you say, but the Bible doesn’t. There are also millions of people who believe Joachim is Mary’s father. Their guess is as good as yours.There were many lines to Judah. Some went through David, many did not. That doesn’t prove she was from David’s seed.There were many lines to Judah. Some went through David, many did not. That doesn’t prove she was from David’s seed.
The Jews, in constructing their genealogical tables, reckoned wholly by males, and where the blood of the grandfather passed to the grandson through a daughter, the name of the daughter was omitted. In her place they put the name of that daughter's husband as the descendant of the maternal grandfather.
Mary's father was Eli or Heli ,Joseph was the son in law so the Bible say's Joseph was the son of Heli meaning he was the son in law.
In Matthew it say's Josephs father is Jacob.
But thank you for at least demonstrating the salient point here .... this is a contradiction in the New Testament which nobody knows the true answer. Which is evidence that it’s a farce and that Jesus was a false prophet, leading many people away from G-d.
Joachim is Eli, Heli.
Joachim when you study the language ,seems to be a variant form of Eliacim, which is abbreviated as Eli, a variant of Heli. Hence, though the two names may at first appear quite different, there is a great linguistic similarity between Heli and Joachim.
Jesus leads you to God, not away from him.
I gave it to you.
It's called studying their language.
So you say, but the Bible doesn’t. There are also millions of people who believe Joachim is Mary’s father. Their guess is as good as yours.I can’t find Mary’s line to David in the Bible. That’s because nothing in the Bible shows a line from David to Mary. To imagine such a line requires you to make one up.You keep going back to Joseph's genealogy and he was not the father of Jesus.
Look to Mary from her bloodline.
Joseph marriage to Mary gives Jesus the legal right to be king .
Mary gives him the bloodline from Nathan, through King David, who was his 3rd son.
Was Mary and Elizabeth related?
Read Luke 1:5 Yes they were.
Being 2 of the 12 sons of Jacob (also called Israel) Elizabeth’s ancestor Levi and Mary’s ancestor Judah were brothers. The children of brothers are cousins.
There were many lines to Judah. Some went through David, many did not. That doesn’t prove she was from David’s seed.I can’t find Mary’s line to David in the Bible. That’s because nothing in the Bible shows a line from David to Mary. To imagine such a line requires you to make one up.You keep going back to Joseph's genealogy and he was not the father of Jesus.
Look to Mary from her bloodline.
Joseph marriage to Mary gives Jesus the legal right to be king .
Mary gives him the bloodline from Nathan, through King David, who was his 3rd son.
Was Mary and Elizabeth related?
Read Luke 1:5 Yes they were.
Being 2 of the 12 sons of Jacob (also called Israel) Elizabeth’s ancestor Levi and Mary’s ancestor Judah were brothers. The children of brothers are cousins.
There were many lines to Judah. Some went through David, many did not. That doesn’t prove she was from David’s seed.
The Jews, in constructing their genealogical tables, reckoned wholly by males, and where the blood of the grandfather passed to the grandson through a daughter, the name of the daughter was omitted. In her place they put the name of that daughter's husband as the descendant of the maternal grandfather.
Mary's father was Eli or Heli ,Joseph was the son in law so the Bible say's Joseph was the son of Heli meaning he was the son in law.
In Matthew it say's Josephs father is Jacob.
But thank you for at least demonstrating the salient point here .... this is a contradiction in the New Testament which nobody knows the true answer. Which is evidence that it’s a farce and that Jesus was a false prophet, leading many people away from G-d.
So you say, but the Bible doesn’t. There are also millions of people who believe Joachim is Mary’s father. Their guess is as good as yours.I can’t find Mary’s line to David in the Bible. That’s because nothing in the Bible shows a line from David to Mary. To imagine such a line requires you to make one up.You keep going back to Joseph's genealogy and he was not the father of Jesus.
Look to Mary from her bloodline.
Joseph marriage to Mary gives Jesus the legal right to be king .
Mary gives him the bloodline from Nathan, through King David, who was his 3rd son.
Was Mary and Elizabeth related?
Read Luke 1:5 Yes they were.
Being 2 of the 12 sons of Jacob (also called Israel) Elizabeth’s ancestor Levi and Mary’s ancestor Judah were brothers. The children of brothers are cousins.
There were many lines to Judah. Some went through David, many did not. That doesn’t prove she was from David’s seed.I can’t find Mary’s line to David in the Bible. That’s because nothing in the Bible shows a line from David to Mary. To imagine such a line requires you to make one up.You keep going back to Joseph's genealogy and he was not the father of Jesus.
Look to Mary from her bloodline.
Joseph marriage to Mary gives Jesus the legal right to be king .
Mary gives him the bloodline from Nathan, through King David, who was his 3rd son.
Was Mary and Elizabeth related?
Read Luke 1:5 Yes they were.
Being 2 of the 12 sons of Jacob (also called Israel) Elizabeth’s ancestor Levi and Mary’s ancestor Judah were brothers. The children of brothers are cousins.
There were many lines to Judah. Some went through David, many did not. That doesn’t prove she was from David’s seed.
The Jews, in constructing their genealogical tables, reckoned wholly by males, and where the blood of the grandfather passed to the grandson through a daughter, the name of the daughter was omitted. In her place they put the name of that daughter's husband as the descendant of the maternal grandfather.
Mary's father was Eli or Heli ,Joseph was the son in law so the Bible say's Joseph was the son of Heli meaning he was the son in law.
In Matthew it say's Josephs father is Jacob.
But thank you for at least demonstrating the salient point here .... this is a contradiction in the New Testament which nobody knows the true answer. Which is evidence that it’s a farce and that Jesus was a false prophet, leading many people away from G-d.
LOLThere is no proof that Joachim was Eli. That is what some folks invented in order to plug the holes in the New Testament.So you say, but the Bible doesn’t. There are also millions of people who believe Joachim is Mary’s father. Their guess is as good as yours.The Jews, in constructing their genealogical tables, reckoned wholly by males, and where the blood of the grandfather passed to the grandson through a daughter, the name of the daughter was omitted. In her place they put the name of that daughter's husband as the descendant of the maternal grandfather.
Mary's father was Eli or Heli ,Joseph was the son in law so the Bible say's Joseph was the son of Heli meaning he was the son in law.
In Matthew it say's Josephs father is Jacob.
But thank you for at least demonstrating the salient point here .... this is a contradiction in the New Testament which nobody knows the true answer. Which is evidence that it’s a farce and that Jesus was a false prophet, leading many people away from G-d.
Joachim is Eli, Heli.
Joachim when you study the language ,seems to be a variant form of Eliacim, which is abbreviated as Eli, a variant of Heli. Hence, though the two names may at first appear quite different, there is a great linguistic similarity between Heli and Joachim.
Jesus leads you to God, not away from him.There is no proof that Joachim was Eli. That is what some folks invented in order to plug the holes in the New Testament.So you say, but the Bible doesn’t. There are also millions of people who believe Joachim is Mary’s father. Their guess is as good as yours.The Jews, in constructing their genealogical tables, reckoned wholly by males, and where the blood of the grandfather passed to the grandson through a daughter, the name of the daughter was omitted. In her place they put the name of that daughter's husband as the descendant of the maternal grandfather.
Mary's father was Eli or Heli ,Joseph was the son in law so the Bible say's Joseph was the son of Heli meaning he was the son in law.
In Matthew it say's Josephs father is Jacob.
But thank you for at least demonstrating the salient point here .... this is a contradiction in the New Testament which nobody knows the true answer. Which is evidence that it’s a farce and that Jesus was a false prophet, leading many people away from G-d.
Joachim is Eli, Heli.
Joachim when you study the language ,seems to be a variant form of Eliacim, which is abbreviated as Eli, a variant of Heli. Hence, though the two names may at first appear quite different, there is a great linguistic similarity between Heli and Joachim.
Jesus leads you to God, not away from him.
I gave it to you.
It's called studying their language.
You said it, you didn’t prove it. Your word is not proof. There is no such proof because there is nothing documented in any literature from back then claiming Joachim was also known as Eli.
LOLThere is no proof that Joachim was Eli. That is what some folks invented in order to plug the holes in the New Testament.So you say, but the Bible doesn’t. There are also millions of people who believe Joachim is Mary’s father. Their guess is as good as yours.The Jews, in constructing their genealogical tables, reckoned wholly by males, and where the blood of the grandfather passed to the grandson through a daughter, the name of the daughter was omitted. In her place they put the name of that daughter's husband as the descendant of the maternal grandfather.
Mary's father was Eli or Heli ,Joseph was the son in law so the Bible say's Joseph was the son of Heli meaning he was the son in law.
In Matthew it say's Josephs father is Jacob.
But thank you for at least demonstrating the salient point here .... this is a contradiction in the New Testament which nobody knows the true answer. Which is evidence that it’s a farce and that Jesus was a false prophet, leading many people away from G-d.
Joachim is Eli, Heli.
Joachim when you study the language ,seems to be a variant form of Eliacim, which is abbreviated as Eli, a variant of Heli. Hence, though the two names may at first appear quite different, there is a great linguistic similarity between Heli and Joachim.
Jesus leads you to God, not away from him.There is no proof that Joachim was Eli. That is what some folks invented in order to plug the holes in the New Testament.So you say, but the Bible doesn’t. There are also millions of people who believe Joachim is Mary’s father. Their guess is as good as yours.The Jews, in constructing their genealogical tables, reckoned wholly by males, and where the blood of the grandfather passed to the grandson through a daughter, the name of the daughter was omitted. In her place they put the name of that daughter's husband as the descendant of the maternal grandfather.
Mary's father was Eli or Heli ,Joseph was the son in law so the Bible say's Joseph was the son of Heli meaning he was the son in law.
In Matthew it say's Josephs father is Jacob.
But thank you for at least demonstrating the salient point here .... this is a contradiction in the New Testament which nobody knows the true answer. Which is evidence that it’s a farce and that Jesus was a false prophet, leading many people away from G-d.
Joachim is Eli, Heli.
Joachim when you study the language ,seems to be a variant form of Eliacim, which is abbreviated as Eli, a variant of Heli. Hence, though the two names may at first appear quite different, there is a great linguistic similarity between Heli and Joachim.
Jesus leads you to God, not away from him.
I gave it to you.
It's called studying their language.
You said it, you didn’t prove it. Your word is not proof. There is no such proof because there is nothing documented in any literature from back then claiming Joachim was also known as Eli.
Great, now show me where in there it says what you claimed... “Joseph was the son of Heli meaning he was the son in law.”So you say, but the Bible doesn’t. There are also millions of people who believe Joachim is Mary’s father. Their guess is as good as yours.I can’t find Mary’s line to David in the Bible. That’s because nothing in the Bible shows a line from David to Mary. To imagine such a line requires you to make one up.
Was Mary and Elizabeth related?
Read Luke 1:5 Yes they were.
Being 2 of the 12 sons of Jacob (also called Israel) Elizabeth’s ancestor Levi and Mary’s ancestor Judah were brothers. The children of brothers are cousins.
There were many lines to Judah. Some went through David, many did not. That doesn’t prove she was from David’s seed.I can’t find Mary’s line to David in the Bible. That’s because nothing in the Bible shows a line from David to Mary. To imagine such a line requires you to make one up.
Was Mary and Elizabeth related?
Read Luke 1:5 Yes they were.
Being 2 of the 12 sons of Jacob (also called Israel) Elizabeth’s ancestor Levi and Mary’s ancestor Judah were brothers. The children of brothers are cousins.
There were many lines to Judah. Some went through David, many did not. That doesn’t prove she was from David’s seed.
The Jews, in constructing their genealogical tables, reckoned wholly by males, and where the blood of the grandfather passed to the grandson through a daughter, the name of the daughter was omitted. In her place they put the name of that daughter's husband as the descendant of the maternal grandfather.
Mary's father was Eli or Heli ,Joseph was the son in law so the Bible say's Joseph was the son of Heli meaning he was the son in law.
In Matthew it say's Josephs father is Jacob.
But thank you for at least demonstrating the salient point here .... this is a contradiction in the New Testament which nobody knows the true answer. Which is evidence that it’s a farce and that Jesus was a false prophet, leading many people away from G-d.So you say, but the Bible doesn’t. There are also millions of people who believe Joachim is Mary’s father. Their guess is as good as yours.I can’t find Mary’s line to David in the Bible. That’s because nothing in the Bible shows a line from David to Mary. To imagine such a line requires you to make one up.
Was Mary and Elizabeth related?
Read Luke 1:5 Yes they were.
Being 2 of the 12 sons of Jacob (also called Israel) Elizabeth’s ancestor Levi and Mary’s ancestor Judah were brothers. The children of brothers are cousins.
There were many lines to Judah. Some went through David, many did not. That doesn’t prove she was from David’s seed.I can’t find Mary’s line to David in the Bible. That’s because nothing in the Bible shows a line from David to Mary. To imagine such a line requires you to make one up.
Was Mary and Elizabeth related?
Read Luke 1:5 Yes they were.
Being 2 of the 12 sons of Jacob (also called Israel) Elizabeth’s ancestor Levi and Mary’s ancestor Judah were brothers. The children of brothers are cousins.
There were many lines to Judah. Some went through David, many did not. That doesn’t prove she was from David’s seed.
The Jews, in constructing their genealogical tables, reckoned wholly by males, and where the blood of the grandfather passed to the grandson through a daughter, the name of the daughter was omitted. In her place they put the name of that daughter's husband as the descendant of the maternal grandfather.
Mary's father was Eli or Heli ,Joseph was the son in law so the Bible say's Joseph was the son of Heli meaning he was the son in law.
In Matthew it say's Josephs father is Jacob.
But thank you for at least demonstrating the salient point here .... this is a contradiction in the New Testament which nobody knows the true answer. Which is evidence that it’s a farce and that Jesus was a false prophet, leading many people away from G-d.
What Bible are you reading!
Matthew 1:16
“And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.”
King James Version (KJV)
