Thank Labor Unions.

[Wyatt earp]

Weekends
All Breaks at Work, including your Lunch Breaks
Paid Vacation
FMLA
Sick Leave
Social Security
Minimum Wage
Civil Rights Act/Title VII (Prohibits Employer Discrimination)
8-Hour Work Day
Overtime Pay
Child Labor Laws
Occupational Safety & Health Act (OSHA)
40 Hour Work Week
Worker's Compensation (Worker's Comp)
Unemployment Insurance
Pensions
Workplace Safety Standards and Regulations
Employer Health Care Insurance
Collective Bargaining Rights for Employees
Wrongful Termination Laws
Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967
Whistleblower Protection Laws
Employee Polygraph Protect Act (Prohibits Employer from using a lie detector test on an employee)
Veteran's Employment and Training Services (VETS)
Compensation increases and Evaluations (Raises)
Sexual Harassment Laws
Americans With Disabilities Act (ADA)
Holiday Pay
Employer Dental, Life, and Vision Insurance
Privacy Rights
Pregnancy and Parental Leave
Military Leave
The Right to Strike
Public Education for Children
Equal Pay Acts of 1963 & 2011 (Requires employers pay men and women equally for the same amount of work)
Laws Ending Sweatshops in the United States

...and high prices, unaffordable wages...

How do you explain the prosperity from 1915 to 1970 when unions were prominent?

No business is successful when the employee is telling the employer what to do…

That's what got me scratching my head. Who were these wimps on charge? Isn't management supposed to do the managing?

Like I said you don't know the hold American unions had on the car company's back then, you also had like 4,000 salaried union members, IE management

Time Warp: The GM Strike, Then and Now


In 1970, General Motors was the biggest automaker and the largest employer in the world. The 1973 oil crisis was years away, as was the threat from low-cost Japanese automakers. GM, along with Ford and Chrysler, could barely keep up with demand.

The UAW, meanwhile, was enjoying a Golden Age. Its membership was growing, with 400,000 workers at GM alone, as was its political clout. It was big labor at its most muscular, and strikes were common. That same year, more than 2 million American workers in various industries walked off the job.

 

[Al Azar]

Yes. Unions told god what they wanted...no bargaining at all...just handed god the list of terrorist union demands and god had no choice. Very good.

Some of these posters seem to think this is how it works. Really. They think unions demand and companies roll over without a whimper, even though they hold the workers' jobs in their hands.

 

[SAYIT]

Wow. If excessive labor costs are causing problems at the companies, you have to wonder why management agrees to pay at that level. Is that what the market demands? Or, in the companies the writer refers to, the unions just present their new wage scale to the company and the owners meekly sign it, with "Thank you, Sir"?

When labor costs threaten a firm's ability to compete, they add robotics or take the first opportunity to leave that state - or the country - for one friendlier to their bottom line.

The same whiny voices lamenting the demise of our unions are also lamenting the loss of jobs. Classic cause & effect.

You no what? You wanna make statements like that youd better have at least2links. Show me where that is true.

Really? I have to prove to you that robotics & company movement (out of state & country) have been chipping away at American jobs? If so you are woefully unprepared for this discussion.

I will not be dragged back to elementary school just to get you up to speed.

 

[Rustic]

High prices caused by the unions...

Ah, back to the unsupported claim. Since a couple of others have been unable to explain how unions were able to set product pricing, perhaps you can give it a shot.

It's Called over paying the employee, that price has to be passed on in someway. LOL

 

[Al Azar]

When labor costs threaten a firm's ability to compete,..

Then either they're not controlling costs very well or they are not making a competitive product.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Thank a union for Detroit

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You like in a dream world of sound bites and bumper stickers. Foreign competition killed detroit moron.

Lmfao.....


Public / Private Unions and Democrats are the major players that killed Detroit with out a doubt.

Ive posted from diff sources. Go back and read. Now you post some sources.

Your sources are biased and ignorant, if you think 50 years of democrats and Unions rule had no negative effect, you and your links are smoking crack

 

[Rustic]

When labor costs threaten a firm's ability to compete,..

Then either they're not controlling costs very well or they are not making a competitive product.

You don't understand manufacturing do you? Labor cost has to be passed on to somebody LOL

 

[Al Azar]

No not really, it was the greed of the unions...

That seems to be common meme in this thread that no one has been able to explain.

 

[Rustic]

No not really, it was the greed of the unions...

That seems to be common meme in this thread that no one has been able to explain.

The union bosses get all the money from their extortion of the business owners… LOL

 

[Al Azar]

The UAW, meanwhile, was enjoying a Golden Age. Its membership was growing, with 400,000 workers at GM alone, as was its political clout. It was big labor at its most muscular, and strikes were common. That same year, more than 2 million American workers in various industries walked off the job.

They walked off the job and weren't replaced? Why? Whose decision was that? If employees strike, the company has the right to replace them permanently. That's federal law.

 

[SAYIT]

sayit doesnt believe we had a strong economy from 1915-1970....lol, wow.

Funny how you conveniently failed to attach the post to which your are whining. Just to make your life even more convenient I've re-posted it below. See if you can quote where I made such a silly claim.
In fact, if you can comprehend English, you will find I specifically explained why our economy was so strong and why unions were able to accomplish so much. They just didn't see the end of the gravy train:

"The post-WW2 economy is gone. The competitive advantage all American manufacturers enjoyed while the rest of the world dug out of the rubble made it easy to give our workers whatever they demanded. Since 1970 we have had to compete with the world for market share for our products, thus the decline in union membership and power.

It's amazing how many loony lefties forget to include those facts into their 'strong economy' from 1945-1969 claims."

 

[Windship]

Al?.. I would stay and debate but the sheer, utter ignorance and inability to reason exhibited here gives me pause.

 

[Al Azar]

It's Called over paying the employee, that price has to be passed on in someway. LOL

Why in the world would any competent manager overpay an employee?

 

[Al Azar]

You don't understand manufacturing do you? Labor cost has to be passed on to somebody LOL

Of course, all the costs of manufacturing have to be passed on to the consumer. But how can there be manufacturing without labor? You do understand what "manufacture" means, right?

 

[Windship]

sayit doesnt believe we had a strong economy from 1915-1970....lol, wow.

Funny how you conveniently failed to attach the post to which your are whining. Just to make your life even more convenient I've re-posted it below. See if you can quote where I made such a silly claim.
In fact, if you can comprehend English, you will find I specifically explained why our economy was so strong and why unions were able to accomplish so much. They just didn't see the end of the gravy train:

"The post-WW2 economy is gone. The competitive advantage all American manufacturers enjoyed while the rest of the world dug out of the rubble made it easy to give our workers whatever they demanded. Since 1970 we have had to compete with the world for market share for our products, thus the decline in union membership and power.

It's amazing how many loony lefties forget to include those facts into their 'strong economy' from 1945-1969 claims."

Now who could argue with that? I give up.

 

[Al Azar]

The union bosses get all the money from their extortion of the business owners… LOL

Wow. Racketeering, eh? That's your explanation for the dire straights auto manufacturing was in?

What was the extortion over? What were the companies doing wrong that they didn't want made public?

 

[Al Azar]

The competitive advantage all American manufacturers enjoyed while the rest of the world dug out of the rubble made it easy to give our workers whatever they demanded.

And when it stopped being easy, the companies just kept right on rolling over?

That's not very good management, in my book.

 

[SAYIT]

When labor costs threaten a firm's ability to compete,..

Then either they're not controlling costs very well or they are not making a competitive product.

Exactly!

When union success translates into higher product costs, companies must either increase prices, absorb the losses, fold their tent, or move to friendlier environs. Autos are still being built ... just not-so-much in Detroit.

How do you think those auto workers feel about their (non-existent) jobs now?

 

[Windship]

Yes. Unions told god what they wanted...no bargaining at all...just handed god the list of terrorist union demands and god had no choice. Very good.

Some of these posters seem to think this is how it works. Really. They think unions demand and companies roll over without a whimper, even though they hold the workers' jobs in their hands.

sayit doesnt believe we had a strong economy from 1915-1970....lol, wow.

Funny how you conveniently failed to attach the post to which your are whining. Just to make your life even more convenient I've re-posted it below. See if you can quote where I made such a silly claim.
In fact, if you can comprehend English, you will find I specifically explained why our economy was so strong and why unions were able to accomplish so much. They just didn't see the end of the gravy train:

"The post-WW2 economy is gone. The competitive advantage all American manufacturers enjoyed while the rest of the world dug out of the rubble made it easy to give our workers whatever they demanded. Since 1970 we have had to compete with the world for market share for our products, thus the decline in union membership and power.

It's amazing how many loony lefties forget to include those facts into their 'strong economy' from 1945-1969 claims."

Do I have to include a post that describes how water flows or why trees cast shadows?

 

[JoeNormal]

5 Ways Liberalism Destroyed Detroit




"Does anybody think it's OK to have 40-year-old trees growing through the roofs of dilapidated houses?" -- Detroit's Emergency Manager Kevyn Orr

"A few years ago, the nonpartisan Bay Area Center for Voting Research rated Detroit as the most liberal city in America." -- Michael Tanner

Detroit was once one of the world's great cities. It was the 4th largest metropolis in America, jobs were plentiful because of the auto industry, and Motown even kept it on the cutting edge musically.

Unfortunately, from 1962 until the present day, the mayor of Detroit has been a Democrat.

The result?

Detroit's population has dropped from 1.8 million to just over 700,000, the unemployment rate is over 50% if you count the people who've given up on finding jobs, property values have dropped so much you can buy homes in the crime-ridden city for $500, and Detroit has gone bankrupt.

How did Democrats kill one of the most prosperous cities in America? With the same sort of unfettered liberalism that Democrats like Barack Obama, Harry Reid, and Nancy Pelosi want to foist on the rest of the nation.


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1) Unions crippled the auto industry: The Big 3 automakers could afford unions when they practically had a monopoly on auto production in the United States. However, once they started facing real competition from overseas, the unions made them less and less competitive. The unions forced the companies to pay out more than market value for their workers, put stifling work rules in place that made flexibility and innovation difficult, and created generous pension plans that are proving to be unsustainable. This wouldn't have been possible without a symbiotic relationship between the unions and the Democrats in government who tied the hands of the Big 3 automakers and simply wouldn't allow them to get rid of the unions that were slowly strangling them to death. Eventually because of the unions, the Big 3 automakers had to deal with significantly larger costs per car than their overseas competitors and they took it out of the only place they could: the cars. As the quality of their products dropped, their competitors took an ever larger share of their market, and there were fewer jobs to go around. If you want to know why the "Motor City" is up on cinder blocks in Michigan's front yard, this is where it started.

2) White citizens were demonized until they left: Detroit was a heavily segregated city and in 1967, there were black riots. After that, white flight to the suburbs began. This was dramatically exacerbated when Coleman Young became Detroit's first black mayor in 1972. Young was cut from the same cloth as men like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, but unlike the two of them, he actually had power. Young systematically drove white government employees out of their jobs so they could be replaced by blacks, was hostile to the white suburbs, and was generally perceived as anti-white. Naturally, a lot of white people just left, which reduced the population and significantly cut into the tax base. Today, Detroit is a 7.9% white city, and if he were alive and kicking, that would probably suit Coleman Young just fine.


3) Out-of-control crime helped drive much of the black middle class out of the city:Ever heard of "Devil's Night?" It's the night before Halloween and in Detroit, fires are set all over the city. Combine the sort of criminal mentality that produces an unofficial "holiday" like that with a sky high unemployment rate and Draconian laws designed to make it difficult for law abiding citizens to arm themselves, and it's not a surprise that crime is a problem in Detroit. However, the issue goes much deeper than that. In case you haven't noticed, in a conflict between a cop and a criminal, the hearts of liberals almost always seem to bleed for the thug. Combine that with the liberal tendency, when money gets tight, to cut essential programs instead of their perks and the goodies they hand out to their supporters, and you end up with a police department that is both dramatically underfunded and completely incompetent.

How bad has it gotten?

"The size of the police force in Detroit has been cut by about 40 percent over the past decade," "it takes (the police) an average of 58 minutes to respond" to a call and the"police solve less than 10 percent of the crimes that are committed in Detroit."


4) Reckless government spending bankrupted the city: Detroit's tax base has been plunging like an anvil dropped into the Marianas Trench and so, in true liberal fashion, liberals have raised taxes to make up for it instead of cutting spending."The city's per-capita tax burden is the highest in Michigan. Detroit has the country's highest property taxes on homes, the top commercial property tax and the second-highest industrial property tax." Unfortunately for Detroit, you can't get blood from a stone. As jobs and wealth fled the city, there was simply less cash available for big government programs, pensions, and the incredibly generous, but almost completely unfunded union health care program. It's fantastic that the city paid "80 percent to 100 percent of retirees' medical costs," but 99.6% of those costs were unfunded. As Obamacare supporters should have learned by now, it's a lot easier for politicians to make big promises about what they’re going to give you than it is to back them up in the real world.


5) The government is completely incompetent: Ever notice that the bigger government seems to get, the less it does anything well? Citizens of Detroit could tell you all about that. The school system is horrible, which explains why a staggering47% of the population is illiterate. In addition, 40% of the street lights don't work, only about 1/3 of the ambulances are running, and 2/3 of the parks have been closed since 2008. Just to give you an idea of its priorities, an independent report in 2012 suggested the city fire 80% of the Water and Sewage Department including a horseshoer" that it has on staff even though it has NO HORSES.. How did the union respond to that report? "They don’t have enough people as it is right now. They are just dreaming to think they can operate that plant with less." Detroit may not have enough police, ambulances, or competent teachers, but if you ever need a horseshoe in the Motor City, they've got you covered.

How was any of THIS caused by a union. Number one clearly states that !!"FOREIGN COMPETITION"!! killed detroit. Not unions. Unions BUILT the country.

High prices caused by the unions inspire and create a situation to move overseas. Entrepreneurs built this country not the fucked up unions asshole…

You unAmerican prick. The WORKERS built the company. So what do ppl like you do? Move offshore for cheap labor and fire all those ppl that made you wealthy. Ur an ass hole.

Rustic grew up on a reservation. Having a job (if he does actually have one) is a new thing for him but now he thinks he has it all figured out.